Ravens having trouble selling tickets to opener

[Misterbluesky]

21 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Seriously, with this Bills team finally trending up and finally looking decent, ticket sales are the worst I can recall this century. Something ain't right.

Lower population,no blackouts.

[PromoTheRobot]

11 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

Lower population,no blackouts.

 

In one year?

[Lurker]

1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said:

Truth is..the population keeps decreasing here ,and it has aged.

They young people left and keep leaving, especially over the course of the past 20 years.

Outside of a miracle...we won't see a new stadium..most locals already know that.

 

 

Man, your stereotypes are out of date.  While the Buffalo area population is flat, it's not because of young people leaving.    It's the 35-54 year olds who are leaving (mid-career folks with skill sets that no longer match what Buffalo's become), which also results in fewer children per capita.

 

Millennials on the other hand are thriving:

 

https://www.upstartny.org/inthenews/Buffalo-outpaces-national-average-in-growth-of-young-adult-population.aspx

 

"The U.S. Census Bureau’s 2016 American Community Survey, released early this year, shows the City of Buffalo’s growth in 25- to 34-year-olds outpaces the national average, placing it 22^nd at 13.4 percent growth. That outpaces 58 of the 79 cities identified in the study."

 

 

https://www.wkbw.com/news/buffalo-ranked-12th-among-cities-where-millennials-are-moving

 

"Buffalo, Cheektowaga and Niagara Falls collectively rank 12th among American cities as destinations for a growing millennial population. A Time magazine report looking at research from the Urban Land Institute found that many of the cities seeing the most relative growth are actually smaller cities."

[eanyills]

7 hours ago, /dev/null said:

 

Especially in places like Baltimore where leaving home exponentially increases one's chance of being murdered on the street

 

 

Try going to places yourself instead of relying on media dipictions.

 

I love Baltimore. Lots of cool spots. Yes, there’s some rough areas you don’t want to wander. You can find those same type of areas in NYC, DC, Philly, Chicago...

 

Stop fear mongering. You aren’t getting murdered anywhere you’d be as a tourist in Baltimore.

[Misterbluesky]

15 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

In one year?

Not sure what to think then.In 2016 in July..5 games were sold out.

[PromoTheRobot]

6 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:

Not sure what to think then.In 2016 in July..5 games were sold out.

 

Last year sales were still good for early season games. So what changed in one year?

Edited July 30, 2019 by PromoTheRobot

[Boatdrinks]

2 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Last year sales were still good for early season games. So what changed in one year?

It’s a good question. I believe secondary market resale has been very low for 2 years now. Many season ticket buyers were subsiding their own season tickets by purchasing extras and reselling them. Perhaps this is finally impacting the box office. I’ve always questioned if the blackout had much effect , and I still don’t believe it did. Going to a game is just a different experience from watching on TV. Bills fans like to consider themselves among the most rabid  fan bases in the league, but the skimpy sales suggest otherwise. Especially with the average ticket price near the bottom of the league. Perhaps complacency has set in under the Pegulas ownership, with the franchise seemingly secure for the foreseeable future.  Who knows ? it’s worth pondering. 

[plenzmd1]

 

 

 

17 hours ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

The “at home experience” gets better every year, and the attention span of the younger generations gets shorter and shorter. I think this factors in to overall ticket sales.

 

The good thing for the NFL is there’s only 8 reg season home games to sell. I think MLB will be affected the most in the long run, too many games and a relatively slow moving sport.

I think you will start to see MLB teams start ripping out seats and making more bar type areas to socialize..i am 57 and i just cant fathom sitting in a seat for a baseball game anymore. I dont go to many..usually 3-5 Nats games a year, and possibly an O's game or two..i get cheapest ticket i ca find and just walk around the stadium most of the game and hangout in areas where I can stand and socialize..

13 hours ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

 

Has the “blind faith” loyalty finally been tapped out?

 

Honest question. There’s only so much people can take before they ‘demand’ some sort of results.

 

You will always have the “die hards”, but I get the feeling even some of those types are being more careful in regards to dropping good coin on this franchise.

 

Season tix numbers are clearly down, they didn’t announce the number last year for the first time ever. I know several people/tix groups that were put off by the recent pricing changes too.

 

 

10 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Seriously, with this Bills team finally trending up and finally looking decent, ticket sales are the worst I can recall this century. Something ain't right.

I think there are a couple main reasons 

 

1) These last 4 years or so of such backloaded home schedules is really discouraging for a lot of Season Ticket holders.If the games meant something, maybe a different feel. But so many of us are out of town, and its hard to justify the plane tickets/hours long car ride, taking off work Monday etc to go to a game that does not have meaning. So, you go to sell them and truly the seats are useless...cannot be sold. so you eating 35%-50% of your investment in season tickets. Even people in Buffalo choose to watch the game on TV insted of face the elements for a game with zero implications. (no blackouts)..

 

So i think many STs have come to the conclusion in Buffalo better to pay the premium on secondary for the games you want to go to and not eat the dollars at the end of the year. Its not like there is ANY expectation of a home playoff whilst Brady and Belichick are there. And that domination of NE i think is also a big reason..the odds of playoffs seem so slim for the bills.fighting for 1 of 2 slots...

 

 

Edited July 30, 2019 by plenzmd1

[PromoTheRobot]

6 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

 

 

 

I think you will start to see MLB teams start ripping out seats and making more bar type areas to socialize..i am 57 and i just cant fathom sitting in a seat for a baseball game anymore. I dont go to many..usually 3-5 Nats games a year, and possibly an O's game or two..i get cheapest ticket i ca find and just walk around the stadium most of the game and hangout in areas where I can stand and socialize..

 

I think there are a couple main reasons 

 

1) These last 4 years or so of such backloaded home schedules is really discouraging for a lot of Season Ticket holders.If the games meant something, maybe a different feel. But so many of us are out of town, and its hard to justify the plane tickets/hours long car ride, taking off work Monday etc to go to a game that does not have meaning. So, you go to sell them and truly the seats are useless...cannot be sold. so you eating 35%-50% of your investment in season tickets. Even people in Buffalo choose to watch the game on TV insted of face the elements for a game with zero implications. (no blackouts)..

 

So i think many STs have come to the conclusion in Buffalo better to pay the premium on secondary for the games you want to go to and not eat the dollars at the end of the year. Its not like there is ANY expectation of a home playoff whilst Brady and Belichick are there. And that domination of NE i think is also a big reason..the odds of playoffs seem so slim for the bills.fighting for 1 of 2 slots...

 

 

 

I was referring to secondary sales. I get that you eat your December games, but now even the opener is not selling. Every opener used to sell out. Not so far this year.

[Mr Info]

I am a bit surprised that ticket sales are down. It seems like a good buyer’s time as the team appears to be laying the groundwork to start heading upward. Perhaps people need to see the winning before investing and that’s understandable. But, equating it to the stock market, when you see a new CEO with a vision appointed to a company, you invest in their stock instead of waiting for the stock to start rising. Sure, there is some risk, but you want to maximize (better seats) your opportunity while you can before demand rises. I picked up 2 more ST seats this year. I believe the Bills stock has a good potential to increase in the next 1-2 years and so will my ticket resale value.

[plenzmd1]

5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I was referring to secondary sales. I get that you eat your December games, but now even the opener is not selling. Every opener used to sell out. Not so far this year.

think that is a direct reflection of less STs as noted above, and less brokers as well.The redoing of the pricing i think drove some brokers away, and the Bills in general have been lowering the use of brokers( i think..not sure on that though) Both of those mean more available tickets..hence lower prices....

[Captain Hindsight]

16 hours ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

 

Sure, cost comes into play, especially when the twenty-somethings can’t afford to buy a house or start a family. Football tix take a backseat.

 

But the attention span comes into play too. Mine certainly is an issue sometimes, but that’s because between TV timeouts, replay timeouts etc the league/officiating  drags these games out sometimes to the point of unwatchable. No flow.

 

 

I think lots of people are against the TV timeouts and replays. Age has little to do with that. 

[Mr. WEO]

11 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

Seriously, with this Bills team finally trending up and finally looking decent, ticket sales are the worst I can recall this century. Something ain't right.

 

Blame the fans.

 

oh, wait lol.  Of course..

[Chandler#81]

10 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

Last year sales were still good for early season games. So what changed in one year?

Easy, PTR, go Easy. You’ve asked repeatedly and been given quality answers. They may not to be to your liking, but accumulatively, they’re accurate. IF all the additions to what was a miserable offense pan out and IF we play well in joisy, I have no doubt the Cincy game will be a tough ticket.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, Chandler#81 said:

Easy, PTR, go Easy. You’ve asked repeatedly and been given quality answers. They may not to be to your liking, but accumulatively, they’re accurate. IF all the additions to what was a miserable offense pan out and IF we play well in joisy, I have no doubt the Cincy game will be a tough ticket.

 

I think @plenzmd1 hit the nail on the head.

[Ned Flanders]

15 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

Not one game is close to a sell out,not sure why.

And you can be sure they're holding some seats back for potential season ticket buyers.  When those seats open up after the first preseason game, the availability will be much greater.

 

14 hours ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

Has the “blind faith” loyalty finally been tapped out?

 

Honest question. There’s only so much people can take before they ‘demand’ some sort of results.

 

You will always have the “die hards”, but I get the feeling even some of those types are being more careful in regards to dropping good coin on this franchise.

 

Season tix numbers are clearly down, they didn’t announce the number last year for the first time ever. I know several people/tix groups that were put off by the recent pricing changes too.

The season ticket numbers when Rex came were at an all-time high if I recall correctly.  Fans bought into Rex but is it possible they haven't bought into McBean or this season's draft/FA additions?  

[dpberr]

A not so bold prediction:  Casino sportsbooks will not only rival bars for NFL game watching on Sundays, but will siphon off a lot of fans that would have attended the games. 

 

I expect casinos to make sportsbooks *the* deluxe sports nerd destinations that will combine gambling, food, drink and the game into a superior experience for a lot of people.  

 

Generally, I think today's NFL is peak NFL and decline in interest is inevitable.  

 

 

[4_kidd_4]

2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

 

 

 

I think you will start to see MLB teams start ripping out seats and making more bar type areas to socialize..i am 57 and i just cant fathom sitting in a seat for a baseball game anymore. I dont go to many..usually 3-5 Nats games a year, and possibly an O's game or two..i get cheapest ticket i ca find and just walk around the stadium most of the game and hangout in areas where I can stand and socialize..

 

So i think many STs have come to the conclusion in Buffalo better to pay the premium on secondary for the games you want to go to and not eat the dollars at the end of the year.

 

Yeah we went to a random Indians game last year on a saturday afternoon, they took out a good part of the center field-right field lower seating and have a “plaza” type setup with bars, food carts and some SRO bleacher type seating. It was actually a really nice hangout, then we went up to the bridge/platform that they have in left field. It was a gorgeous day, and I definitely enjoyed walking around and checking out the different angles and viewing areas of the park.

 

To your second point, yep that sums it up for me. I’ll pay the premium for the opener and go ala cart for later in the season. I don’t have the time/energy for all 8 games anymore, and I really got tired of seeing 4 games a year going for pennies on the dollar while I’m paying full price.

[SWATeam]

1 hour ago, PromoTheRobot said:

 

I think @plenzmd1 hit the nail on the head.

I think the biggest factor is the ever improving home viewing experience.  

[Lurker]

12 hours ago, Misterbluesky said:

Lower population

 

Nope:

 

Geography	April 1, 2010		Population Estimate (as of July 1)
	Census	Estimates Base	2010	2011	2012	2013	2014	2015	2016	2017	2018
Erie County, New York	919,040	919,129	919,143	919,747	919,877	920,883	921,794	920,543	918,479	918,794	919,719
Niagara County, New York	216,469	216,485	216,479	215,709	214,713	214,110	213,322	212,366	211,534	210,866	210,433
Buffalo city, New York	261,310	261,372	261,301	260,706	260,176	260,041	259,584	258,339	256,960	256,430	256,304
Buffalo-Cheektowaga-Niagara Falls, NY Metro Area	1,135,509	1,135,614	1,135,622	1,135,456	1,134,590	1,134,993	1,135,116	1,132,909	1,130,013	1,129,660	1,130,152
Buffalo-Cheektowaga, NY CSA	1,215,826	1,215,957	1,215,852	1,215,275	1,213,944	1,213,993	1,213,801	1,210,860	1,207,721	1,206,905	1,206,992

[RochesterRob]

40 minutes ago, dpberr said:

A not so bold prediction:  Casino sportsbooks will not only rival bars for NFL game watching on Sundays, but will siphon off a lot of fans that would have attended the games. 

 

I expect casinos to make sportsbooks *the* deluxe sports nerd destinations that will combine gambling, food, drink and the game into a superior experience for a lot of people.  

 

Generally, I think today's NFL is peak NFL and decline in interest is inevitable.  

 

 

  So the possibility exists that the Cowboy's Jones will have to panhandle to make the last few payments on Jerrah World?  The Bills and Erie County could look like the smart ones by not joining in on the "me too" mentality of building a new palace and be struggling in ten years to make the payments.

[plenzmd1]

44 minutes ago, dpberr said:

A not so bold prediction:  Casino sportsbooks will not only rival bars for NFL game watching on Sundays, but will siphon off a lot of fans that would have attended the games. 

 

I expect casinos to make sportsbooks *the* deluxe sports nerd destinations that will combine gambling, food, drink and the game into a superior experience for a lot of people.  

 

Generally, I think today's NFL is peak NFL and decline in interest is inevitable.  

 

 

i think the books will be big at the stadiums. if they rehab the stadium, i can totally see a book built with great bar, lounge areas, restaurant etc etc..open before the game...and being able to bet from your phone on in game bets etc.Collect when ya leave if ya want in cash, most likely just transferred to your bank account or venmo. Will be in area that can be accessed on non game days to, as will be a 365 day a year operation

[GottaRun]

5 hours ago, RochesterRob said:

  So the possibility exists that the Cowboy's Jones will have to panhandle to make the last few payments on Jerrah World?  The Bills and Erie County could look like the smart ones by not joining in on the "me too" mentality of building a new palace and be struggling in ten years to make the payments.

You mean Jerry and the 5 Billion dollar valuation just placed on the Cowboys?  I don't think he's sweating it.

[RochesterRob]

24 minutes ago, driddles said:

You mean Jerry and the 5 Billion dollar valuation just placed on the Cowboys?  I don't think he's sweating it.

  Valuation in good times has little to do with what happens when an entity is under serious financial stress.  I should look up the details of Jones' finances pertaining to the stadium if available to see how many more years he has to go with payments.  The point remains that there are no guarantees when it comes to the NFL as far as 5,10, 15, or more years into the future.  As some have said here the sports books may well have the ability to make fans want to show up there versus the stadium on Sunday.  Further, I suspect that future fans in many current NFL may not be as dedicated to buying season tickets as the current batch of fans are.  What happens when the inevitable happens in New England when going deep into the playoffs every year no longer happens every year?  Success often breeds its own form of damnation.

[buffalobillsfootball]

On 7/28/2019 at 10:39 PM, boater said:

Ravens = Moribund local economy. Downtown palace stadium. PSLs. 

 

Any lesson here for WNY and Bills fans?

 

Buehler? Buehler?

 

Yea - ask Cleveland circa 1995.

[bbb]

How many people are not going to games or concerts because of how confusing tickets are these days?  I really miss real tickets and not having to worry if things are valid, etc. 

I was just reading about yet another soccer game where a bunch of fans had all kinds of issues and couldn't get in.

 

I know for Opening Day, MLB games were a mess as everybody's phones were not getting service with all the people around them at the gate. etc. 

[plenzmd1]

7 minutes ago, bbb said:

How many people are not going to games or concerts because of how confusing tickets are these days?  I really miss real tickets and not having to worry if things are valid, etc. 

I was just reading about yet another soccer game where a bunch of fans had all kinds of issues and couldn't get in.

 

I know for Opening Day, MLB games were a mess as everybody's phones were not getting service with all the people around them at the gate. etc. 

i guess some old timers like @Augie  @Cripple Creek and @mead107may have some issues and scare them away, but think that would be few and far between.

 

Another gentle reminder..SCREEN SHOTS OF TICKETS WILL NOT WORK THIS YEAR!!!!! So if your buddy is going to the game..he will Need the One Buffalo or ticketmaster app...bar codes or something will be changing like every 12 seconds

 

Thats a heads up for when to leave for the gate at the opener..lots o dolts will get there with a screen shot..delaying everyone and sucking crazy bandwidth trying to app downloaded!!

 

And your phone will be a tap and go now if in ticket in your wallet! That should be awesome!

[bbb]

3 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

i guess some old timers like @Augie  @Cripple Creek and @mead107may have some issues and scare them away, but think that would be few and far between.

 

Another gentle reminder..SCREEN SHOTS OF TICKETS WILL NOT WORK THIS YEAR!!!!! So if your buddy is going to the game..he will Need the One Buffalo or ticketmaster app...bar codes or something will be changing like every 12 seconds

 

Thats a heads up for when to leave for the gate at the opener..lots o dolts will get there with a screen shot..delaying everyone and sucking crazy bandwidth trying to app downloaded!!

 

And your phone will be a tap and go now if in ticket in your wallet! That should be awesome!

 

This is the crap I'm talking about.  What worked last year will not work this year.  What worked two years ago didn't work last year..................While cardboard tickets worked for 100 years.  

 

And, then if your phone isn't getting service at the gate, then what?  The reason for the screen shots was to not have that be an issue.  

[4_kidd_4]

1 minute ago, bbb said:

 

This is the crap I'm talking about.  What worked last year will not work this year.  What worked two years ago didn't work last year..................While cardboard tickets worked for 100 years.  

 

And, then if your phone isn't getting service at the gate, then what?  The reason for the screen shots was to not have that be an issue.  

 

They can’t use cardboard tix to force you to download an app, track your location or have you agree to terms that allow said app to harvest data to be used to sell you more crap. Duh!

[HOUSE]

There are dirty Rats everywhere...

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

10 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

There are dirty Rats everywhere...

 

yes they are -  The Good Rats are an American rock band from Long Island, New York

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited July 31, 2019 by ShadyBillsFan

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

23 hours ago, RochesterRob said:

  Valuation in good times has little to do with what happens when an entity is under serious financial stress.  I should look up the details of Jones' finances pertaining to the stadium if available to see how many more years he has to go with payments.  The point remains that there are no guarantees when it comes to the NFL as far as 5,10, 15, or more years into the future.  As some have said here the sports books may well have the ability to make fans want to show up there versus the stadium on Sunday.  Further, I suspect that future fans in many current NFL may not be as dedicated to buying season tickets as the current batch of fans are.  What happens when the inevitable happens in New England when going deep into the playoffs every year no longer happens every year?  Success often breeds its own form of damnation.

 

Its probably why him and other owners are up in the bills business to build - they all share the pie, and they want a bigger pie so their piece is bigger.  

[MR8]

23 hours ago, RochesterRob said:

  Valuation in good times has little to do with what happens when an entity is under serious financial stress.  I should look up the details of Jones' finances pertaining to the stadium if available to see how many more years he has to go with payments.  The point remains that there are no guarantees when it comes to the NFL as far as 5,10, 15, or more years into the future.  As some have said here the sports books may well have the ability to make fans want to show up there versus the stadium on Sunday.  Further, I suspect that future fans in many current NFL may not be as dedicated to buying season tickets as the current batch of fans are.  What happens when the inevitable happens in New England when going deep into the playoffs every year no longer happens every year?  Success often breeds its own form of damnation.

 

The cash cow for the NFL is TV rights it hasn't been money taken in from the gate for a long time.  That money ain't nothing, but TV contracts and advertising is where their money comes from.  The NFL is smart, they have their CBA negotiations followed by the TV Contract negotiations so they know how to structure the TV negotiations based on the CBA... allows for creative accounting...

 

I digress... the next big cash cow for the NFL Is going to be streaming availability of games on major services versus network TV.  The NFL isn't stupid enough to end broadcast TV, which is the golden goose for them because it essentially brings games in to peoples homes for free allowing them to watch a limited amount of their "Content" free and stirring up demand for more.  However as more people cut the cord and move to streaming services, and the NFL doesn't have a dedicated contractual streaming service, that's where the big money is going to be in their next round of negotiations.  Also Sunday Ticket is also going to lose its exclusive rights with DirecTV...

 

Do they sell streaming rights along with broadcast rights so companies like CBS, NBC, ESPN carry those games on their PAID streaming services?  Does the NFL Create their own?  Does the NFL part it out and include services like Hulu, Netflix, Prime?  

 

They've experimented with all the above over the past few years in preparation of how they want to tackle it going forward and how they can make the most money with it going forward.... the NFL is the best and squeezing a nickle until the buffalo poops... so I guarantee you they're doing EXTENSIVE studies into the best way to optimize their product on streaming... 

 

Remember they will still have games on broadcast so people can see local games, streaming would be a separate line item of revenue for them... 

 

Also all the content providers like ABC, NBC, CBS, Hulu, Disney+, Prime, Netflix, all of them are buying up content.... the NFL has thousands of hours of game footage, interviews, etc... they can sell all of that to streaming services so customers have the ability to consume that content.... the NFL makes a mint and it's up to the streaming services to figure out what they want to charge the customer to view it...  How much more would you pay to get every game on your Hulu Subscription you already have?  

 

It's a very interesting wrinkle that could be an insanely big cash in for the NFL coming up...

 

So while you're right, the gate will probably decrease, the NFL doesn't care about that... their money comes from elsewhere, they just need enough people in the lower bowls to look full for TV... and even that can be cleaned up now a days with CGI. 

[Punching Bag]

1 hour ago, bbb said:

 

This is the crap I'm talking about.  What worked last year will not work this year.  What worked two years ago didn't work last year..................While cardboard tickets worked for 100 years.  

 

And, then if your phone isn't getting service at the gate, then what?  The reason for the screen shots was to not have that be an issue.  

 

It now has become a requirement to have cell phone to go to game and not just ANY cell phone but a cell phone you can add applications which do location tracking even after game.

 

I wonder how this affects people whose cell service does not have roaming access with local providers? 

Must be tough for those from other countries like Canada.  I know it was tough for us when we visited Hong Kong even after paying for a SIM card.

Hoping this affects NFL sales big time.

[bbb]

1 hour ago, MR8 said:

So while you're right, the gate will probably decrease, the NFL doesn't care about that... their money comes from elsewhere, they just need enough people in the lower bowls to look full for TV... and even that can be cleaned up now a days with CGI. 

 

For locals, maybe they can use those cutouts that were in the Brick Bar that had been used as "extras" in The Natural.  

[Augie]

2 hours ago, bbb said:

 

This is the crap I'm talking about.  What worked last year will not work this year.  What worked two years ago didn't work last year..................While cardboard tickets worked for 100 years.  

 

And, then if your phone isn't getting service at the gate, then what?  The reason for the screen shots was to not have that be an issue.  

 

I’ve had issues with this at multiple stadiums - and I HATE it! It wasn’t just me. It’s not JUST because I’m a technologically inept old man, despite what @plenzmd1 will tell you! Even with the tech people they had at the stadium to help in Atlanta, it took until the 3rd or 4th guy to get all the settings right and get into the stadium. If their own tech people can’t figure it out, they just aren’t doing it right!!! ? 

 

 

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Edited July 31, 2019 by Augie

[Punching Bag]

13 minutes ago, Augie said:

 

I’ve had issues with this at multiple stadiums - and I HATE it! It wasn’t just me. It’s not JUST because I’m a technologically inept old man, despite what @plenzmd1 will tell you! Even with the tech people they had at the stadium to help in Atlanta, it took until the 3rd or 4th guy to get all the settings right and get into the stadium. If their own tech people can’t figure it out, they just aren’t doing it right!!! ? 

 

Is this something which is supposed to speed up service or save money?   We have the self checkout lanes in local supermarkets and it often takes longer to go thru them then regular service lines.  If it is not a money option give people opportunity to go to box office and get their ticket verified there.   

 

There are parking meters locally which only allow cell phone payments and reason stated was to save money from broken meters due to them being broken into to get change.  Now they are having same problem and they determined that the issue was not being raided for money but people breaking them because they were not working and it was only way to get them replaced so they are repeating prior habits.

[Augie]

4 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

Is this something which is supposed to speed up service or save money?   We have the self checkout lanes in local supermarkets and it often takes longer to go thru them then regular service lines.  If it is not a money option give people opportunity to go to box office and get their ticket verified there.   

 

There are parking meters locally which only allow cell phone payments and reason stated was to save money from broken meters due to them being broken into to get change.  Now they are having same problem and they determined that the issue was not being raided for money but people breaking them because they were not working and it was only way to get them replaced so they are repeating prior habits.

 

I think it may just be to piss me off! If that’s the goal, it’s a terrific success! 

[Punching Bag]

Just now, Augie said:

 

I think it may just be to piss me off! If that’s the goal, it’s a terrific success! 

 

It may be that marketing has determined that if you are not up with latest technology then you will not spend enough on other things while at game so better for you to be replaced by someone else.

[Augie]

10 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

It may be that marketing has determined that if you are not up with latest technology then you will not spend enough on other things while at game so better for you to be replaced by someone else.

 

Older people generally have more money than younger people. I spend freely......stupidly even!  ?