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Duke Williams- can he make the team?

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Probably not. We've already been through this with Da'Rick who was a better prospect imo.

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57 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

I believe that if the Bills don't put Wade on the 53-man roster, he will be an additional spot on the PS, and be able to practice with the 53, but will not be allowed to be called up to the 53 from the PS for the entire season. I'm not sure if other teams are allowed to sign them off our PS, or not. But, I'm pretty sure we don't get a 54th spot on our roster for him.

 

You are correct, I am wrong, we don't get a 54th spot for him.  And I don't know whether other teams are allowed to sign him off our PS either.

 

But I'd still like to hear about what folks see in McKensie that makes him a shoo-in for the 53 to them

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2 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Rugby dude doesn't count against the 53 this year 'cuz special program.  He stays.
 

Serious question: why is everyone so hot on McKensie?  What does he do that makes him stand out except those jet sweep/reverse type gadget plays?

 

 

This is not true if he is on the 53 he counts. He doesn't count on the 90 roster and he doesn't count on the practice squad but if they elevate him to the 53 he counts 

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I am just happy that we seem to have a much more competitive situation this year than last year. I suspect next year gets a big step up as well, especially if the draft is strong at WR as is often reported. 

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2 hours ago, Shaw66 said:

I think he will make it.  

 

First, I think he brings raw talent that no one other than Foster has.   He was a four- or five-star recruit coming out of high school, he apparently did very well against SEC competition until he screwed up, and he succeeded in the CFL.   People say "yeah, well, he got a running start in the CFL."   Sure he did, and every other receiver in the league did, too, and he led the league.   I think that the fact that he's been so highly rated and done well wherever he's gone means that he has superior talent.   So he has that going for him. 

 

Watching his CFL highlights, he seems to high-point the ball and fight for the ball as well as any receiver you can name.  Some of that video reminds me of Anquan Bolden.  

 

He can block, and he likes the contact.  That part of his game reminds me of Hines Ward. 

 

He's motivated.  

 

I think he's just a guy who took some time to grow up, and now he's ready to show what he can do.   My guess is that he will be impressive enough through training camp that the Bills won't be able to risk cutting him and sending him to the practice squad (if he's even eligible for it).   I think he will be good enough that the Bills will decide they have to keep him on the squad.   

 

And I think as the season progresses, we will see him more and more.  He might be the last receiver to make it, but I don't think he'll be the last receiver at the end of the season.  

 

 

 

The problem with everything you mention is how's that translate to going up against NFL competition?  Sure he can high point the ball, but now the CB's are bigger and faster and may just step in front of him. How will it match up, will find out soon enough.

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I'll let you know in September.  Seriously, if the Bills are looking for a variety of skill sets in their WRs, he has an excellent chance.  He's not a burner, but he's the biggest and most physical WR they've got.  If McDermott thinks there will be times that he needs that physicality from a WR (instead of a TE) then Duke Williams is the guy who can do it.

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He's a snail.

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3 minutes ago, MJS said:

He's a snail.

 

That sounds bad, but with garlic and butter........

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7 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

I'll let you know in September.  Seriously, if the Bills are looking for a variety of skill sets in their WRs, he has an excellent chance.  He's not a burner, but he's the biggest and most physical WR they've got.  If McDermott thinks there will be times that he needs that physicality from a WR (instead of a TE) then Duke Williams is the guy who can do it.

He's not that big. He's only 6'2". Sills is bigger and faster. Sills is 6'4" and ran a 4.57. Duke only ran a 4.66. To put this in perspective, Kelvin Benjamin ran a 4.61. So Duke is much smaller and slower than Kelvin Benjamin? No thanks.

 

So if they want a big WR my money would be on Sills.

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He was in my early prediction for final 53.  It will come down to him and McKenzie for 5th spot.  They will keep Roberts as the 6th WR/KR.    Does Daboll want a gadget guy or a true WR?  

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4 hours ago, BuffAlone said:

I like the guy. But as a matter of numbers, I just can't see it at this point. His skill set is different than what we have, but I think Zay is trying to bulk up and assume that role. And we are more vested in him than we are Duke. Top 6 would be Zay, Foster, Beasley, Brown,McKenzie, and Roberts by default because of his ST prowess. Unless they cut a RB, there is no room for a 7th WR. Just my opinion tho. I'd rather cut Gore for Duke personally and keep Yeldon

I think Duke makes the team over McKenzie

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19 minutes ago, TigerJ said:

I'll let you know in September.  Seriously, if the Bills are looking for a variety of skill sets in their WRs, he has an excellent chance.  He's not a burner, but he's the biggest and most physical WR they've got.  If McDermott thinks there will be times that he needs that physicality from a WR (instead of a TE) then Duke Williams is the guy who can do it.

 

 

I don't see the Bills keeping a WR just because he's big and they don't otherwise have one of those.

 

I think he needs to prove he is more than a WR with TE speed and quickness as his measurables and past NFL chance indicated.  

 

Williams isn't a "high ceiling developmental prospect" or interchangeable part.......which is usually what your inactives are made up of.  

 

He probably makes the roster as an active player......the #4 WR........ or is not on the roster at all........I don't see him making the roster as the "6th" WR...........he's gotta' knock it out of the park as a receiver or on special teams or both, IMO.  I think he's gotta' be a guy they won't feel shy about lining up in 3 WR sets.    With Roberts basically assured the 5th WR spot it's probably #4 WR or bust for Duke.  

 

So I don't have Duke making the roster but maybe we get lucky and he blows us away in camp and preseason.    Hope he makes it interesting.

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1 hour ago, StHustle said:

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Hey,  I can’t make the question any better than it is. 

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It is hard to know at this point with so much competition, and that is great to be able to say.  As others have said, the truth will reveal itself when the pads go on. My suspicion is that he will bring a skillset to the table that is different from the rest of the WR corps and that he will make the team.

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8 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

You are correct, I am wrong, we don't get a 54th spot for him.  And I don't know whether other teams are allowed to sign him off our PS either.

 

But I'd still like to hear about what folks see in McKensie that makes him a shoo-in for the 53 to them

I’m not big on McKenzie, only reasons I can think people lock him in is his experience in the system and returner ability if Roberts gets hurt. I don’t see any reason they can’t incorporate Roberts into those same gadget/sweep kinda plays McKenzie runs. I would personally cut the guy if others step up and show signs of being a legit threat down the field 

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9 hours ago, Rocky Landing said:

I believe that if the Bills don't put Wade on the 53-man roster, he will be an additional spot on the PS, and be able to practice with the 53, but will not be allowed to be called up to the 53 from the PS for the entire season. I'm not sure if other teams are allowed to sign them off our PS, or not. But, I'm pretty sure we don't get a 54th spot on our roster for him.

Are they worse than division 1 college CBs?

Be that as it may, Duke's career path is a pretty interesting story.

Watch some CFL and dial in on the corners- it is pretty bad. Yes, Duke has certainly taken a non-traditional route to the NFL. I want him to succeed but it isnt going to be easy for him. 

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7 hours ago, Augie said:

 

That sounds bad, but with garlic and butter........

Don't forget parsley...

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I would imagine Coverage in the CFL is weak, leading to bad habits in the WRs that NFL corners exploit.  Can't think of many CFL guys who make it in the NFL, esp WR.

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11 hours ago, JK Fan said:

I say Williams makes the team.  I suggest Williams is better than McKenzie and the only reason Roberts makes the team is for kick returns.

I agree with you ! 

I also would add that we could use his size in the end zone , but will he make the team if he can’t play ST ? And the most important (IMO) he has to show that he can get separation , 

 

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14 hours ago, ColeB said:

I know the signing of Duke Williams was low key despite his great season in the CFL, but seeing his highlights and his size, I thought he was an intriguing addition to a mediocre wide receiver group.  However, after the additions of John Brown and Cole Beasley, we didn’t hear much about Duke in the OTAs and minicamp.

 

Now, all the pre-training camp articles mention Foster, Jones, Brown & Beasley but not Duke.  Could he be a diamond in the rough?  At the age of 26, he should be in his prime.

How can he be in his prime if he's never played in the league?

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When we first signed him, before our other WR signings...I thought he was going to be our 4th WR.  Now I'm not sure he makes the team.

If he does, I only see him on special redzone packages.  

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10 hours ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

The problem with everything you mention is how's that translate to going up against NFL competition?  Sure he can high point the ball, but now the CB's are bigger and faster and may just step in front of him. How will it match up, will find out soon enough.

How does five-star talent translate to the NFL?  How does being a good starting receiver in the SEC translate to the NFL?  

 

The guy has had success everywhere he's gone.  He has size, decent speed, outstanding hands and, now, maturity.  That's the kind 6

of resume that translates very well.  

 

U agree with Hapless abou McKenzie.  He never has looked like a guy who is going to win a job as a receiver. Special teams and gadget plays, sure, but not a starting receiver. 

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14 hours ago, BuffAlone said:

I like the guy. But as a matter of numbers, I just can't see it at this point. His skill set is different than what we have, but I think Zay is trying to bulk up and assume that role. And we are more vested in him than we are Duke. Top 6 would be Zay, Foster, Beasley, Brown,McKenzie, and Roberts by default because of his ST prowess. Unless they cut a RB, there is no room for a 7th WR. Just my opinion tho. I'd rather cut Gore for Duke personally and keep Yeldon

I think that Duke, Mckenzie, Ray Ray, Croom, Towbridge, and Sweeney are all fighting for two spots. i think the Bills will keep which ever two they feel they can use best regardless of position. Basically i think we know 5 WR who are one team and 3 TE who are on team and i expect 10 WR and TE combined.

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I think it'll come down to Duke vs Sills, loser to the practice squad.

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