Doc Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: A lot of people here used to seem to assume the ownership was keeping the ticket prices low (below market price), as an act of altruism. That was always incorrect. Winning will increase demand and then price. Wrong. They’ll still stay low. Again the market won’t bear much higher and you can stay home and see them for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Linen Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 29 minutes ago, Doc said: Wrong. They’ll still stay low. Again the market won’t bear much higher and you can stay home and see them for free. The more attractive the ticket the higher the price will be to the people that want to go. Pricing for tickets isn't dictated by people that will just stay home. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 38 minutes ago, Doc said: Wrong. They’ll still stay low. Again the market won’t bear much higher and you can stay home and see them for free. A few playoff seasons won’t increase demand for tickets?? Do they not televise home games in the Giants/Cowboys/Packers/Redskins/patriots markets? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jrb1979 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc said: Wrong. They’ll still stay low. Again the market won’t bear much higher and you can stay home and see them for free. More like you're hoping they stay low. When the new stadium comes along tickets will be more in line with the league average. The Bills average price will is $70 but when the new stadium comes it will be closer to $100 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 8 hours ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: no more $greedy$ than ins companies, cable/internet, phone contracts, hell there really is no such thing as fair marketing in anything. at the end of the day, you either have it or you don't. you want to play, you pay. nfl games along with everything in general these days is not for the poor man or even the middle class. $greed$ $greed$ $greed$ Which is a reason to appreciate the Pegulas. They've made some bad choices but they will spend to fix mistakes. We're lucky to have free spending owners. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 2 hours ago, JohnC said: Does your company pay or do you get together and pool your resources? .....company pays everything............. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 10 hours ago, White Linen said: The more attractive the ticket the higher the price will be to the people that want to go. Pricing for tickets isn't dictated by people that will just stay home. It's also not dictated by just how the team does. Sure if they start winning prices may go up a but, but the average fan in Buffalo can't afford substantial price increases and now with no blackout rule, they can stay home and see the game for free. 10 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: A few playoff seasons won’t increase demand for tickets?? Do they not televise home games in the Giants/Cowboys/Packers/Redskins/patriots markets? The Giants, Cowboys and Redskins are among the highest ticket prices annually despite rarely making the playoffs. Their markets can support higher prices. The Packers are an anomaly since they're community-owned. 9 hours ago, Jrb1979 said: More like you're hoping they stay low. When the new stadium comes along tickets will be more in line with the league average. The Bills average price will is $70 but when the new stadium comes it will be closer to $100 LOL! Why would I hope they stay low, sparky? As for a new stadium, that might raise prices, but then again, that's to cover the expense of the stadium, not team performance. But I'll wait to see if they do actually build a new stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 14 minutes ago, Doc said: It's also not dictated by just how the team does. Sure if they start winning prices may go up a but, but the average fan in Buffalo can't afford substantial price increases and now with no blackout rule, they can stay home and see the game for free. The Giants, Cowboys and Redskins are among the highest ticket prices annually despite rarely making the playoffs. Their markets can support higher prices. The Packers are an anomaly since they're community-owned. LOL! Why would I hope they stay low, sparky? As for a new stadium, that might raise prices, but then again, that's to cover the expense of the stadium, not team performance. But I'll wait to see if they do actually build a new stadium. The ability of fans to watch their home team on TV at home has had no effect on the steady annual rise in NFL tricked prices across the board. So it's not worth mentioning. The Packers are not a wealthy market yet their ticket prices are in the top 12. It's not because they are "community owned", it's because they have a massive waiting list for season tickets. Their stadium configuration also allows them to cram in more people (no seats), without which they could get even more per ticket. Plus the winning... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 48 minutes ago, Doc said: The Giants, Cowboys and Redskins are among the highest ticket prices annually despite rarely making the playoffs. Their markets can support higher prices. The Packers are an anomaly since they're community-owned. The Redskins have been promoting the fraud that they have a multi-year waiting list. That lie has been burst a few years ago. They not only don't have a waiting list they are now having trouble selling tickets and filling the stadium. They have taken out seats and sections in the stadium because it has become too embarrassing when the empty seats are prominently on display during the telecasts. Also, because of the revolt of the fan base mostly directed toward the despised owner the organization has taken initiatives to sell tickets to the opposing fans. When the Skins play the Cowboys half the stadium is full of razzing Dallas fans. It has gotten so bad for this Snyder regime that it had to resort taking people to court when season ticket holders attempted to opt out of their extended season ticket commitments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 15 hours ago, Gugny said: If you're eating at the concession stands, you're tailgating with the wrong people. preaching to the chroir brother..I just have never purchased anything to eat in the stadium..and i been going since the joint opened. Dog could cost $30, or $1...still aint buying one! Quote want to choke?......suite prices (we have a corporate one): $125 for a case of beer.....$100 for chicken wings and the same for most munchies.......$24 for freakin' M&M's......$30 for a six pack of water.......bottle of liquor is $100+ depending on brand @OldTimeAFLGuy, maybe its just me but most of these prices seem quite reasonable to me. $5 a beer at a stadium? Sign me up! $100 for a bottle of Jack? That about $7 a drink. I can tell ya this, if they would sell me a case of Gennies or Blues cans in a case with ice for $125 and i could keep under my seat..sold!!!!! I prolly even tip the dude $20! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The ability of fans to watch their home team on TV at home has had no effect on the steady annual rise in NFL tricked prices across the board. So it's not worth mentioning. The Packers are not a wealthy market yet their ticket prices are in the top 12. It's not because they are "community owned", it's because they have a massive waiting list for season tickets. Their stadium configuration also allows them to cram in more people (no seats), without which they could get even more per ticket. Plus the winning... A couple bucks rise a year isn't much of a hit. And while I'm sure they would increase prices a few dollars more than they otherwise would have if the team starts winning, a large increase will have an effect on ticket sales, especially now when they have the option to stay home and watch for free. As for the Packers, they had a huge waiting list during the dead years of the 70's and 80's. They'll still have one when they become a bottom-feeder again after Rodgers is gone. Again they're an anomaly and the issue is scarcity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 2 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said: preaching to the chroir brother..I just have never purchased anything to eat in the stadium..and i been going since the joint opened. Dog could cost $30, or $1...still aint buying one! @OldTimeAFLGuy, maybe its just me but most of these prices seem quite reasonable to me. $5 a beer at a stadium? Sign me up! $100 for a bottle of Jack? That about $7 a drink. I can tell ya this, if they would sell me a case of Gennies or Blues cans in a case with ice for $125 and i could keep under my seat..sold!!!!! I prolly even tip the dude $20! ...sounds reasonable.......if you have a captive audience in a suite, expect to pay more for the convenience.......but it is a bit of sticker shock...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 4 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...sounds reasonable.......if you have a captive audience in a suite, expect to pay more for the convenience.......but it is a bit of sticker shock...... i think its the quantity thing..if they said 12oz beer is $5..you would prolly say cool..not getting ripped off and that's a reasonable price! But $125 for a case that costs $18 in the store..that is the sticker shock. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Just now, plenzmd1 said: i think its the quantity thing..if they said 12oz beer is $5..you would prolly say cool..not getting ripped off and that's a reasonable price! But $125 for a case that costs $18 in the store..that is the sticker shock. ...imagine what Jurrah would charge you at his mausoleum..... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 $5 a beer is nothing at a stadium. Especially in a suite that you spent big bucks to rent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 43 minutes ago, Doc said: A couple bucks rise a year isn't much of a hit. And while I'm sure they would increase prices a few dollars more than they otherwise would have if the team starts winning, a large increase will have an effect on ticket sales, especially now when they have the option to stay home and watch for free. As for the Packers, they had a huge waiting list during the dead years of the 70's and 80's. They'll still have one when they become a bottom-feeder again after Rodgers is gone. Again they're an anomaly and the issue is scarcity. Well, you got that part right. But what does the Packers' being community owned have to do with their bing in the top 12 for ticket prices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Yea but tickets can be dirt cheap come Nov or December. Snow, cold, and a bad team. You can take the money you save on tickets and buy 15 beers! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 50 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Well, you got that part right. But what does the Packers' being community owned have to do with their bing in the top 12 for ticket prices? As part-owners, they would probably be more willing to spend more money on their team rather than see it go into someone else's pockets. And as part-owners, they get a vote in price increases. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 21 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: Yeah, the suite prices are absurd!! My client has one here in the arena and he said that his bill is over $800 every game $800 for a suite sounds cheap to me. Or do you just mean food and drink? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 6 minutes ago, buffaloboyinATL said: $800 for a suite sounds cheap to me. Or do you just mean food and drink? That’s the food and drink tab each game. So for the 41 home games looking at about $33k for nonsense. He really just uses it for staff, family and a few business associates. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 3 minutes ago, Doc said: As part-owners, they would probably be more willing to spend more money on their team rather than see it go into someone else's pockets. And as part-owners, they get a vote in price increases. The Packers priced their tickets the way any other team would--based on the market demand. They are not anomalous in that way, therefore. Anyway, the "community ownership" is a misnomer. Anyone who buys "shares" in the team is basically just giving a donation, They don't own anything. The share is worthless. They have no say on any decisions made by the team, which are exclusively made by an executive committee. So no, they don't get a vote on price increases. All they get is a receipt for their generosity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 2 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: preaching to the chroir brother..I just have never purchased anything to eat in the stadium..and i been going since the joint opened. Dog could cost $30, or $1...still aint buying one! @OldTimeAFLGuy, maybe its just me but most of these prices seem quite reasonable to me. $5 a beer at a stadium? Sign me up! $100 for a bottle of Jack? That about $7 a drink. ^^^ This 100%. Plus the food and beverage is delivered to you. No standing in massive lines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 (edited) 7 minutes ago, LabattBlue said: ^^^ This 100%. Plus the food and beverage is delivered to you. No standing in massive lines. ...cannot argue that point......however, you are a captive audience in our suite (holds 20) yearning for food and beverage, noting you cannot bring stuff in...so essentially, you're caught "between ta rock and hard place" as far as what suite service wants to charge....if they raise beer to $150/case, booze to $150/bottle or wings/munchies to $150/per order, what can you do?....nothing...it goes with the suite territory....BUT...build a new stadium with significant price increases for the suite and trimmings will force us out which also holds true for fellow suite holders we know....as a sad aside, once the Bills are "officially out of it" historically, we have to BEG people to go to a game totally at OUR expense..... Edited June 2, 2019 by OldTimeAFLGuy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 If you think these are high prices try a new stadium PSL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 On 6/1/2019 at 1:43 PM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...but...but you pee for free............ For now.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 minute ago, Boatdrinks said: For now.... ...then I'll hold it..... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in San Diego Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 On 6/1/2019 at 10:31 AM, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ...want to choke?......suite prices (we have a corporate one): $125 for a case of beer.....$100 for chicken wings and the same for most munchies.......$24 for freakin' M&M's......$30 for a six pack of water.......bottle of liquor is $100+ depending on brand...Game Day costs us $1,200-$1,500 before tailgating chow ($500)and limo bus ($1,080).....100 grand a year..... Wow that is insane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 6 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: i think its the quantity thing..if they said 12oz beer is $5..you would prolly say cool..not getting ripped off and that's a reasonable price! But $125 for a case that costs $18 in the store..that is the sticker shock. A bottle of wine that costs $10 is often 5 times that price in a restaurant setting, so it’s not that far off. Can’t exepect retail or close to retail pricing in a stadium situation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 5 hours ago, Doc said: As part-owners, they would probably be more willing to spend more money on their team rather than see it go into someone else's pockets. And as part-owners, they get a vote in price increases. But it does go into someone else’s pockets. Shares of the Green Bay Packers do not include any equity, pay any dividends or increase in value. It’s a token “ share “ of stock , really. Around 5 million shares of this “ stock” have been sold. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 4 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: The Packers priced their tickets the way any other team would--based on the market demand. They are not anomalous in that way, therefore. Anyway, the "community ownership" is a misnomer. Anyone who buys "shares" in the team is basically just giving a donation, They don't own anything. The share is worthless. They have no say on any decisions made by the team, which are exclusively made by an executive committee. So no, they don't get a vote on price increases. All they get is a receipt for their generosity. The Packers have sold-out every game since 1960 and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future, seeing as how they have 38,000 (season ticket holders) seats sold every game out of 81,000 seats available, and their waiting list is over 130,000. Where they set prices depends largely on what the league wants them to charge, knowing they sell out every game. But as prices rise, people will drop their seasons, only to have others take their places. 7 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: But it does go into someone else’s pockets. Shares of the Green Bay Packers do not include any equity, pay any dividends or increase in value. It’s a token “ share “ of stock , really. Around 5 million shares of this “ stock” have been sold. It money goes into running the team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 Stopped buy anything when beers clipped $10. Our 9-person group barely spends anymore, unless its for outrageous water on a hot day. The problem is that every penny of every sale is split so many ways so everyone profits that it's ridiculous. Bills get some, Delaware North gets some, County gets some, state probably as well. Always laugh when I visit a stadium somewhere else and can get way better beer, cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 All I've ever paid for is the ticket to get in. I haven't been to many games over the years, but when I do go, I eat before I get there, and the men's room is still free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 minute ago, TigerJ said: All I've ever paid for is the ticket to get in. I haven't been to many games over the years, but when I do go, I eat before I get there, and the men's room is still free. There are many ways around having to buy food at the stadium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 5 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said: ....as a sad aside, once the Bills are "officially out of it" historically, we have to BEG people to go to a game totally at OUR expense..... Shoot! With prospects for the coming year, I guess I won’t be buttering you up for a late season freebie. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 8 hours ago, plenzmd1 said: preaching to the chroir brother..I just have never purchased anything to eat in the stadium..and i been going since the joint opened. Dog could cost $30, or $1...still aint buying one! @OldTimeAFLGuy, maybe its just me but most of these prices seem quite reasonable to me. $5 a beer at a stadium? Sign me up! $100 for a bottle of Jack? That about $7 a drink. I can tell ya this, if they would sell me a case of Gennies or Blues cans in a case with ice for $125 and i could keep under my seat..sold!!!!! I prolly even tip the dude $20! Honestly, the scaling of getting a case of anything in a stadium is going to look absurd. 24 beers and 8 slices of pizza would be a fortune anywhere in the stadium but split across 20 people, it’s relatively standard issue. Hearing $100k for the suite sounds equally jarring but $5k per person and $500 per person per game isn’t cheap but I bet it’s less than most would expect once reframed. if you picked a full row of decent seats and tracked the spending of 20 people in it all season... well... you figure out real fast how it becomes a $9B industry Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 1 hour ago, Doc said: There are many ways around having to buy food at the stadium. True. This stuff really comes down to elective lifestyle choices. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 This told BS, I was just at Fenway and the prices were double that for beer and Fenway Franks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 On 6/1/2019 at 5:14 PM, Buffalo30 said: It will be the downfall of man someday. More money, more power and too often more corrupt. Haven't been to a game in years. Probably won't for several more. I like the game but the business is owned by a bunch of old bags of greed that I'd rather not support. The real money is in the TV deals, so if you watch on TV you're supporting them more than you think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 4 hours ago, Doc said: The Packers have sold-out every game since 1960 and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future, seeing as how they have 38,000 (season ticket holders) seats sold every game out of 81,000 seats available, and their waiting list is over 130,000. Where they set prices depends largely on what the league wants them to charge, knowing they sell out every game. But as prices rise, people will drop their seasons, only to have others take their places. It money goes into running the team. What the league wants them to charge?? Lol wtf? You went off the rails quicker than usual doc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Now Moment Posted June 3, 2019 Share Posted June 3, 2019 (edited) 8 hours ago, MJS said: The real money is in the TV deals, so if you watch on TV you're supporting them more than you think. I watch the replays online and check the box scores. I don’t have tv, waste of time. Edited June 3, 2019 by Buffalo30 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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