Players to watch at the Bills OTAs --- Wrap up thus far

[EmotionallyUnstable]

Annual reminder to all: 

 

anyone’s perspective from outside of the Bills organization, their opinions and their comments, mean absolutely nothing. 

 

Don’t let your hunger for football allow you to buy into anything the media spews. 

 

Everybody looks good in shorts (Dez Lewis says hello). 

 

See you in August 

[wppete]

16 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

This where we’re posting our OL predictions?

 

Im going with 

Dawkins Spain Morse Ford Nsekhe

 

Long back up center 

Waddle swing tackle (Nsekhe would move over if needed)

feliciano and teller battle for final iOL spot. 

 

I like it! That’s exactly what I hope they do.... that’s a mean line.

[Forward Progress]

54 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

I think Duke Williams & David Sills V, have a realistic shot to make the 53 man roster.

 

Robert Foster, Zay Jones, John Brown & Cole Beasley are the only WR's I see as locks to make the team. Probably Andre Roberts too since he is a KR. After that there are 2-3 spots at the WR position that are wide open.

 

My Pre-OTA prediction is that Duke Williams makes the roster and Sills needs a year to grow on the practice squad.  

[YoloinOhio]

 

[Mark Vader]

13 minutes ago, Forward Progress said:

 

My Pre-OTA prediction is that Duke Williams makes the roster and Sills needs a year to grow on the practice squad.  

So which WR's do you see making the final roster?

[Sherlock Holmes]

David Sills V!!!!!

[Forward Progress]

7 minutes ago, Mark Vader said:

So which WR's do you see making the final roster?

 

I think it’s Brown, Beasley, Foster, Jones and Williams with Roberts as the return guy. 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

7 hours ago, njbuff said:

 

I think every Bills fan threw up in their mouths seeing the name Ducasse on that list.

 

Hell, if Ducasse even makes the team I think every Bills fan will get physically ill.

 

They brought in all these new OLmen just so they can keep Ducasse? Ain't happening. Unless there are injuries, of course.

So anti-nausea medication producers will start promoting the Duc is what you're saying.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

9 hours ago, Logic said:

This is pretty much the only thing that will truly be interesting to me. Ty Nsekhe is the wild card. The contract they gave him indicates to me that they may view him as a short term starter. If so, and if it's true they want Ford to start out at RT in hopes of winning that job, does Dawkins get pushed inside to LG? 

 

I was going to post something like this until I saw you put it out there first.

The OL lineup is the most interesting thing about OTAs, but I don't believe we're going to be able to draw much in the way of conclusions until training camp.

5 hours ago, Mark Vader said:

Then, prepare to be disappointed. This is only the first set of OTA's, I don't think the Bills are looking to cut any players right now.

 

Concur. 

[Logic]

6 hours ago, BuffAlone said:

I get that...but Teller beating out Spain is highly unlikely. Spain is a beast, and without him starting alongside Dawkins, Dawkins himself may be on the move, and that just seems like an awful lot of change IMO. 

If Spain was an untaggable cast off, what makes you think Nsehke is gonna beat out a 2nd round pick who played good as a rookie, and "ok" as a sophomore...without a probowler lined up next to him? I think that's EXACTLY why they brought in Spain

Fair enough.

I don't think McDermott and Beane will be so quick to give up on a 5th round pick who played really well at times last year in Wyatt Teller. 

It seems like every year, there's a veteran that gets signed that everyone thinks was a "free agency steal". Fans count on said player starting and being a key contributor, when in fact said player winds up getting cut or riding the bench or not producing.

I won't be shocked at all if Spain beats out Teller, but I also won't be shocked if Teller wins the job and Spain either rides the pine or gets cut.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

I know little comes out on press video from camp.  

If any "Joe Webb" packages are in play. I'd expect it from this guy 

[nucci]

21 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

Shady will be the most watched player this offseason by the Management  as they need to determine whether they are paying him $6 Million this year...

They can afford to pay him and i feel Josh Allen will be the most watched player this offseason.

[IgotBILLStopay]

2 minutes ago, nucci said:

They can afford to pay him and i feel Josh Allen will be the most watched player this offseason.

 

Yes but for me how well the Oline clicks is what I want to know first. Any evaluation of JA as a pocket passer is moot unless he is given time to make his reads.

 

Mitch Morse and co. are on the clock.

[YattaOkasan]

4 minutes ago, IgotBILLStopay said:

 

Yes but for me how well the Oline clicks is what I want to know first. Any evaluation of JA as a pocket passer is moot unless he is given time to make his reads.

 

Mitch Morse and co. are on the clock.

Yeah but because there are no pads you are unlikely to get any read on this. 

[Juice_32]

7 hours ago, Logic said:

Fair enough.

I don't think McDermott and Beane will be so quick to give up on a 5th round pick who played really well at times last year in Wyatt Teller. 

It seems like every year, there's a veteran that gets signed that everyone thinks was a "free agency steal". Fans count on said player starting and being a key contributor, when in fact said player winds up getting cut or riding the bench or not producing.

I won't be shocked at all if Spain beats out Teller, but I also won't be shocked if Teller wins the job and Spain either rides the pine or gets cut.

 

This is true, but the beautiful thing about this off season, is that we signed so many guys on the OL...only half of them have to pan out and we're going to be in good shape!

[HOUSE]

22 hours ago, Cripple Creek said:

So many more than 8 things to watch for this offseason.  Looking forward to the scant details that emerge during OTAs.

 

You were hoping for 9 huh?

 

Edited May 20, 2019 by HOUSE

[Hapless Bills Fan]

24 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

Yeah but because there are no pads you are unlikely to get any read on this. 

 

This isn't something left for the fans to infer, either.  McDermott was quite explicit in saying "it isn't football until the pads go on in training camp" or words to that effect.

 

At this point, they're assessing overall work ethic, effort on the field, and ability to learn the plays and be coachable.  They're not going to make any moves that aren't reactive - eg even if they want to move on from Ducasse, they won't cut him unless they make a trade or a signing and need the room, and even then it may be a fringe UDFA that meets the scissors.

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

2 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

You were looking for 9 huh?

How many men on the O Line?     As commented there are way more than 8 positions that need watching.  

 

Beyond JA's development we have 3 to WR's to watch for, 3 TE's to watch for,  all 3 RB's to watch for and the O Line.  

 

Then there's the Defense, which I'm really not worried about other than seeing Milano back 100% 

 

[The Jokeman]

18 hours ago, Logic said:

This is pretty much the only thing that will truly be interesting to me. Ty Nsekhe is the wild card. The contract they gave him indicates to me that they may view him as a short term starter. If so, and if it's true they want Ford to start out at RT in hopes of winning that job, does Dawkins get pushed inside to LG? 

I think Nsekhe was brought in to push Dawkins but ultimately have the same role as he has in DC as a backup swing OT. He could push for the RT job too yet think that Ford ends up starting. He's my top 5

 

Dawkins Spain Morse Long Ford

[whatdrought]

Had a dream that the season was here. First play from scrimmage Darnold fumbles the snap, Poyer picks it up and takes it to the house. Allen finishes the Jets game with something like 20/31, 274, 2td’s. 65% completion. We blow them out.

 

it was vivid. It was good. And now I want football damn it. 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

25 minutes ago, The Jokeman said:

I think Nsekhe was brought in to push Dawkins but ultimately have the same role as he has in DC as a backup swing OT. He could push for the RT job too yet think that Ford ends up starting. He's my top 5

 

Dawkins Spain Morse Long Ford

I don't know about that    --  fully  

Nsekhe was brought in to start.  Pushing Dawkins is a possibility but not as the primary reason imo 

[947]

I think the Guard pecking order would be as follows:

 

1- Dawkins (if he moves to OG)

2- Ford (if he moves to OG)

3-Spain

4- Long

5- Feliciano

6- Teller

7- Empty garbage can

8- Ducasse

 

0% chance Ducasse makes the team. Any reps he takes in OTAs are wasted opportunities the new guys should be taking.

[YattaOkasan]

3 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

I don't know about that    --  fully  

Nsekhe was brought in to start.  Pushing Dawkins is a possibility but not as the primary reason imo 

I also think Ford might need a minute before becoming RT full time.  I think Ford will start at RG and will move to RT either next year or the following.  Nsekhe is a short term starter imo.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, 947 said:

I think the Guard pecking order would be as follows:

 

1- Dawkins (if he moves to OG)

2- Ford (if he moves to OG)

3-Spain

4- Long

5- Feliciano

6- Teller

7- Empty garbage can

8- Ducasse

 

0% chance Ducasse makes the team. Any reps he takes in OTAs are wasted opportunities the new guys should be taking.

 

If Ford is as good as I've heard through multiple outlets, then I think he's a day one starter 

2 minutes ago, YattaOkasan said:

I also think Ford might need a minute before becoming RT full time.  I think Ford will start at RG and will move to RT either next year or the following.  Nsekhe is a short term starter imo.

Most of the O Line FA's are quick fixes.  I also think they could stay longer if the Bills O Line does really well across the board.

[formerlyofCtown]

16 hours ago, billsredneck1 said:

because they paid nseke big bucks and he has proven he can play lt. if it benefits the team to move dion inside, so be it for now.  at least one or two of these guys aren't gonna make the final cut. nseke and dawkins ain't it. the only question is whose gonna play rg...imo

The great thing with this regime is that the best players will play and salaries, draft status and who is dating the owners daughter is irrelevant.

[formerlyofCtown]

56 minutes ago, whatdrought said:

Had a dream that the season was here. First play from scrimmage Darnold fumbles the snap, Poyer picks it up and takes it to the house. Allen finishes the Jets game with something like 20/31, 274, 2td’s. 65% completion. We blow them out.

 

it was vivid. It was good. And now I want football damn it. 

Adam Gase gets fired and Greggo is promoted to GM.

[formerlyofCtown]

1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

This isn't something left for the fans to infer, either.  McDermott was quite explicit in saying "it isn't football until the pads go on in training camp" or words to that effect.

 

At this point, they're assessing overall work ethic, effort on the field, and ability to learn the plays and be coachable.  They're not going to make any moves that aren't reactive - eg even if they want to move on from Ducasse, they won't cut him unless they make a trade or a signing and need the room, and even then it may be a fringe UDFA that meets the scissors.

 

Unless youre talking about the Jets.  In which case Adam Gase could sign a journeyman backup OL and place Quinnen Williams on waivers.?

[IgotBILLStopay]

2 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:

Yeah but because there are no pads you are unlikely to get any read on this. 

You make a good point. Probably skill positions are easier to evaluate in OTAs than the trenches. Still, at least some chemistry can be built up and some things can discerned by a trained coach's eyes.

 

I wouldnt be surprised if some Oline personnel get released after OTAs.

Edited May 20, 2019 by IgotBILLStopay

[IgotBILLStopay]

Last year Wood and Incognito were released after OTAs - though one can argue it was not really their performance on the field that was a factor in either decision.

[YoloinOhio]

I will just hope for no injuries. Ruben Foster/Redskins  just got carted off the field on the 2nd play of their OTAs

[Stank_Nasty]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I will just hope for no injuries. Ruben Foster/Redskins  just got carted off the field on the 2nd play of their OTAs

the last 2 years have been freakishly major injury free in the preseason and regular season, for the most part..... i'm bracing hard this summer for a big one. I actually just always sorta do and have been pleasantly surprised lately.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

5 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I will just hope for no injuries. Ruben Foster/Redskins  just got carted off the field on the 2nd play of their OTAs

yeah, that's not a good thing 

[Mike in Syracuse]

23 hours ago, HappyDays said:

My prediction for the first starting alignment is:

 

Dawkins - Ducasse - Morse - Long - Ford

I don't see any scenario were Ducasse starts over Spain or Feliciano.

[Logic]

3 minutes ago, Mike in Syracuse said:

I don't see any scenario were Ducasse starts over Spain or Feliciano.

He literally said FIRST starting alignment. He means the very first way they line up at OTAs.

[Bangarang]

What time do OTAs start at?

[Mike in Syracuse]

1 minute ago, Logic said:

He literally said FIRST starting alignment. He means the very first way they line up at OTAs.

Yeah, I literally read over the word "first"     My bad.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

6 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

What time do OTAs start at?

I don't recall seeing a time 

 

my guess is  10 AM to  2 or 3 PM 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

 

 

[Bangarang]

25 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

I don't recall seeing a time 

 

my guess is  10 AM to  2 or 3 PM 

 

Is this still strength and conditioning work or are players allowed on the field with coaches?

[cd1]

16 hours ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:

Annual reminder to all: 

 

anyone’s perspective from outside of the Bills organization, their opinions and their comments, mean absolutely nothing. 

 

Don’t let your hunger for football allow you to buy into anything the media spews. 

 

Everybody looks good in shorts (Dez Lewis says hello). 

 

See you in August 

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