Jets fire GM Mike Maccagnan, name Adam Gase interim GM

[HOUSE]

This is not a good idea

[Doc Brown]

21 hours ago, ROCBillsBeliever said:

Here's a little gem from the Jests' message board: 

The new Bills?  The last time they went to the Superbowl I was a twinkle in my father's eye.  Should we compare division titles?

[formerlyofCtown]

6 hours ago, Richard Noggin said:

You're right.

 

It means before "Modanna."

 

Also, a hint (spelling of Madonna aside): you're literally, semantically wrong. "Pre-" as a prefix does mean "previous to; before."

Youre a little late there bud.  Maybe you should revisit in a week or so and make a comment?

[YoloinOhio]

There was a widespread belief in the organization that the pursuit of Bell was spurred by ownership—or moreso that Maccagnan conducted it because he knew that’s what the Johnsons wanted. In the process, Gase informed others in the building that he didn’t want Bell, but said that, if Bell signed, he’d be fine coaching him. Fair or not, some saw that as Gase distancing himself from the decision, while lining himself up for credit if it worked, in large part because that matched up with his reputation in Miami.

 

Then before the draft, another small sign that aligned with how the Bell situation was perceived cropped up. The coaches ranked Quinnen Williams above Houston DT Ed Oliver, but gushed over Oliver in meetings. This was seen, again, as coaches covering themselves on both ends of a decision, this time openly lusting for one player while toeing the line on the league-wide consensus that the other was better.

 

Through it all, Maccagnan held the trigger, and came under criticism internally over a lack of decisiveness that matched poorly with others playing both sides of decision; he’d collect opinions but rarely came down strongly on one side or another in meetings. But free agency and the draft were his shows—In fact, in the war room on draft weekend, Gase was relatively quiet. So it’s easy to ask why Johnson allowed his lame-duck GM to run the bulk of the offseason, if there was a plan to go in another direction (and rumors were circulating about Maccagnan and potential replacement Joe Douglas weeks before the draft). In a similar situation two years ago, the Bills wound up quietly giving command of the draft to coach Sean McDermott, knowing Doug Whaley was on the outs. That didn’t happen here.

Edited May 17, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[ROCBillsBeliever]

1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:

The new Bills?  The last time they went to the Superbowl I was a twinkle in my father's eye.  Should we compare division titles?

 

I feel like he was speaking to the 20 years of ineptitude. If the Jets are spiraling that toilet bowl, count me among those cheering their descent!

 

You're right, though: The Jets have nothing on us!

[HOUSE]

1 hour ago, ROCBillsBeliever said:

 

I feel like he was speaking to the 20 years of ineptitude. If the Jets are spiraling that toilet bowl, count me among those cheering their descent!

 

You're right, though: The Jets have nothing on us!

 

Just goes to prove that drafting a franchise QB doesn't fix everything. You can change GMs and head coaches every 2 years and enjoy a continuous rebuild.

Its all on the owner, that path will get you nowhere...

[ROCBillsBeliever]

1 minute ago, HOUSE said:

 

Just goes to prove that drafting a franchise QB doesn't fix everything. You can change GMs and head coaches every 2 years and enjoy a continuous rebuild.

Its all on the owner, that path will get you nowhere...

 

True, but perhaps the Jests suffer from their environment. Are they not just a reflection of New Jersey: a quagmire of endless construction zones?

[DieHardBillsFan]

Funny thought, I wonder if it was because they didn't pick Ed Oliver. Not likely, but always fun to jab at the Jets.

[Cotton Fitzsimmons]

2 hours ago, HOUSE said:

 

Just goes to prove that drafting a franchise QB doesn't fix everything. You can change GMs and head coaches every 2 years and enjoy a continuous rebuild.

Its all on the owner, that path will get you nowhere...

 

House, my good man, truer words have not been spoken. You are spot on, per usual, my friend! 

 

YE OLE has spent the last few decades now, watching the games, listening to sports radio, reading message boards, etc. It always ebbs and flows as to what the true path to success is in building a championship team. For the last several years everyone is all in on the so called "franchise QB" being the magic bullet. If we go back a few more years it was "Well you can win with Trent Dilfer, you really need a strong running game and a defense." Granted, the rules of the league have changed in recent year to favor the passing game, but we just saw a slugfest of a SB where 13 points won the game. We've seen that Aaron Rodgers + bad coaching is unsuccessful and this year we'll probably also prove that "Some guy who knows Sean McVay + a rag tag roster" won't work either. If you want to win, you really need 53 good players and good coaching. For the first time, in a very long time, it seems that we may cut players out of training camp that will be coveted by other teams. This is a step in the right direction... it seemed that the Jets may have also been making progress until this latest fiasco. Which is probably also good news for us. 

[YoloinOhio]

 

[ExWNYer]

4 hours ago, ROCBillsBeliever said:

 

True, but perhaps the Jests suffer from their environment. Are they not just a reflection of New Jersey: a quagmire of endless construction zones?

 

And toxic waste sites...

[YoloinOhio]

“He literally took his seat and moved it (out of camera view),” said a current team employee that was in the war room. “That was extreme.”

Gase wanted to wash his hands of the draft before it even began, according to sources. Eyewitnesses told the Daily News that he was oddly detached for all three days. This was a Maccagnan Production through and through. Gase stayed out of the way, rarely giving input on trade possibilities or prospects when the Jets were on the clock. There was no point that Gase ever fought for or objected to any of Maccagnan’s picks.

The sentiment among people in the room: This was awkward.

Edited May 17, 2019 by YoloinOhio

[ROCBillsBeliever]

1 hour ago, ExWNYer said:

 

And toxic waste sites...

????????

[DieHardBillsFan]

The Jets finally seem to have a good team and they start falling apart from within. At least they have new jerseys!

[ColoradoBills]

17 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

No ***** they do. Which is why everyone gets pissed when I'm critical. Just because I'm critical doesn't mean I don't enjoy watching them play. 

 

I am glad that you feel this way.  If you didn't it would mean your criticism had other motives.

 

I was critical of the OL last offseason and thought Bodine and Newhouse would not fix it.

Groy, Miller and Conor McDermott were being vastly over rated in my opinion.

I even said that once DEs got tape on Dawkins he may struggle.

I stuck with that all last year despite being told the OL will be fine.

 

In my mind Beane/McDermott and Castillo all had to share the blame for that.

I don't blame Daboll because I think he didn't have a lot of say in that.

 

There has been a huge attempt this year to repair that mistake.  Whether it will improve as much as needed only the OL play in games will reveal.

I guess I don't carry the managements failure last year as a predestination of failure this year.

Do you see what I mean?

 

[ExWNYer]

2 hours ago, DieHardBillsFan said:

The Jets finally seem to have a good team and they start falling apart from within. At least they have new jerseys!

 

I see what you did there...

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

2 hours ago, DieHardBillsFan said:

The Jets finally seem to have a good team and they start falling apart from within. At least they have new jerseys!

Except they’re San Diego’s, but done in green/white/black!  ?

[HappyDays]

There's no way this would actually happen, right?

 

 

[Captain Hindsight]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

There's no way this would actually happen, right?

 

 

I would laugh so hard. Trade him to Pittsburgh

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...PED Peterson had to steal the limelight back from the Jesters for the Cards to remain relevant in "dueling circuses".....who said "post draft" was boring?.............

[PIZ]

 

 

[WhoTom]

[aristocrat]

As much as I’d love for him to be traded he has an untradeable contract.  If bell brings his a game the jets could be good

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

1 hour ago, Captain Hindsight said:

I would laugh so hard. Trade him to Pittsburgh

And with the Jests front office, get back about ten cents on the dollar, and they’ll be convinced they got a great deal.

[eball]

Oh my god, the similarities between what the Jets are doing now and what the Bills did two years ago are striking. How can any Bills fan criticize the Jets?

 

Sincerely,

ScottLaw

[SoTier]

On 5/16/2019 at 12:37 PM, ddaryl said:

 

 

Well in the Jets defense it took us about 20 years to formulate that "clear" plan

 

having the right GM Coach combo is as crucial a finding a franchise QB.  It taking the Pegulas multiple tries with the Sabres and the Bills and they are only hoping their latest Sabres change is the one there. At least they finally go it right for the Bills so I have hope of seeing that eventually repeating with the Sabres.. I am hopeful on Krueger, Boterill worries me though...

 

  

I see the Pegulas as learning as they go. I'm very happy with the state of the Bills moving forward..  I can also see what they are striving for with both franchises and although it hasn't been as smooth as we would like I still strongly believe they will get both franchises firing well. When they get the right combos they'll stick with them and stability / Consistency will follow.

 

No worries at all.. Just patience mnixed in with impatient frustrations but not worried as they will get it right and they will lock it in when they do.

 

How, exactly, has Pegula "finally got it right for the Bills"?   The Bills landed in the 2017 playoffs only because the Colts defenders couldn't tackle Shady in a snowstorm and the Ravens defenders fell asleep on 4th and 12 at the end of the game.  The Bills won 6 games in 2018 and, frankly, are lucky they still have a healthy starting QB for the poor offensive talent they put around him.   They lost 4 games by 2 TDs or more in 2017 and 6 more by 2 TDs or more in 2018. 

 

Maybe the Bills will turn it around in 2019 but there's no guarantee that they will -- and no evidence that the Pegulas have learned much about building a winning football team which starts with building a competent organization.   They have certainly failed to do so with the Sabres in their seven years as owners.

 

[TBBills Fan]

Okay here is food for thought....

 

This firing is out of left field timing wise, or it "making no sense" right now is pretty universally agreed...I think

 

Okay, so after we laugh, which we can and should, lets take a moment to consider what the hell the straw was that broke the camels back here.

 

We know Johnson was on site more just to "see it for himself" apparently....

 

so lets speculate on how bad (realistically) it may have been behind closed doors between these guys....

 

(Edit: oh wait should that be its own thread or is it better here?)

 

Just picturing grown ass men at the jets facility screaming at each other or being held apart is a wonderful thought to comtemplate...

 

Im just saying I really would love to hear what the straw was that broke the camels back...

 

lol

 

Edited May 18, 2019 by TBBills Fan

[eball]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

How, exactly, has Pegula "finally got it right for the Bills"?   The Bills landed in the 2017 playoffs only because the Colts defenders couldn't tackle Shady in a snowstorm and the Ravens defenders fell asleep on 4th and 12 at the end of the game.  The Bills won 6 games in 2018 and, frankly, are lucky they still have a healthy starting QB for the poor offensive talent they put around him.   They lost 4 games by 2 TDs or more in 2017 and 6 more by 2 TDs or more in 2018. 

 

Maybe the Bills will turn it around in 2019 but there's no guarantee that they will -- and no evidence that the Pegulas have learned much about building a winning football team which starts with building a competent organization.   They have certainly failed to do so with the Sabres in their seven years as owners.

 

 

ScottLaw, stop posting under multiple screen names. It’s beneath you. 

 

?

[Boca BIlls]

1 hour ago, SoTier said:

 

How, exactly, has Pegula "finally got it right for the Bills"?   The Bills landed in the 2017 playoffs only because the Colts defenders couldn't tackle Shady in a snowstorm and the Ravens defenders fell asleep on 4th and 12 at the end of the game.  The Bills won 6 games in 2018 and, frankly, are lucky they still have a healthy starting QB for the poor offensive talent they put around him.   They lost 4 games by 2 TDs or more in 2017 and 6 more by 2 TDs or more in 2018. 

 

Maybe the Bills will turn it around in 2019 but there's no guarantee that they will -- and no evidence that the Pegulas have learned much about building a winning football team which starts with building a competent organization.   They have certainly failed to do so with the Sabres in their seven years as owners.

 

You can only play the games you are dealt... Why is no other team subjected to the same ***** for making the playoffs. With the Bills its (THIS ***** AND THAT *****) is the only reason they got in. THAT is how it is with every team especially for WC spots.

Edited May 18, 2019 by Boca BIlls

[YoloinOhio]

His only friend 

 

 

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, SoTier said:

The Bills landed in the 2017 playoffs only because the Colts defenders couldn't tackle Shady in a snowstorm and the Ravens defenders fell asleep on 4th and 12 at the end of the game

 

Interesting. We won 9 games but somehow only 2 plays got us into the playoffs. We must be the only 9 win team in history to make the playoffs. Cool.

[Richard Noggin]

17 hours ago, formerlyofCtown said:

Youre a little late there bud.  Maybe you should revisit in a week or so and make a comment?

These mega-threads present challenges for me as i am often late to the party (two full-time jobs), attempting nonetheless to read through them diligently and chronologically, then sniping at posters like yourself who make silly missteps with their native (I presume) language. 

 

I think i was an entire day late with my post. That IS unforgivable, isn't it? 

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, Boca BIlls said:

You can only play the games you are dealt... Why is no other team subjected to the same ***** for making the playoffs. With the Bills its (THIS ***** AND THAT *****) is the only reason they got in. THAT is how it is with every team especially for WC spots.

 

Maybe if the Bills made the playoffs more often than seventeen year cicadas hatch, maybe occasionally making them on miraculous plays wouldn't be so noticeable.

 

5 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Interesting. We won 9 games but somehow only 2 plays got us into the playoffs. We must be the only 9 win team in history to make the playoffs. Cool.

 

The Bills beat the Colts in OT when McCoy ran for 65 yards for the winning score ... after the Bills allowed the Colts to score their only TD on a 19 play drive that took up nearly 10 minutes of the 4th quarter.  

 

The Bills wouldn't have made the playoffs despite Shady's heroics against Indy if Andy Dalton didn't throw a 49 yard TD pass to Tyler Boyd on a fourth and 12 play with less than a minute to play to keep Baltimore from taking the final wild card slot.

 

I suppose I could have cited Nathan's scintillating play against the Chargers as making the Indy win and the Ravens loss necessary ... but ... probably not ...

[Richard Noggin]

10 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

 

Adam Gase is not an effective leader. He is too ego-driven. Too self-interested. 

 

Strong leaders maintain integrity and accountability even during (or ESPECIALLY during) challenging or dysfunctional moments. 

 

Gase is too busy politicking and saving face. His draft behavior was petty and pathetic. And the Jets organization just fully endorsed that brand of tantrum.

 

Now I expect Gase to unsympathetically demand more integrity and accountability from his roster than he is willing to exhibit himself. Recipe for discord, if you ask me.

[HappyDays]

49 minutes ago, SoTier said:

The Bills beat the Colts in OT when McCoy ran for 65 yards for the winning score ... after the Bills allowed the Colts to score their only TD on a 19 play drive that took up nearly 10 minutes of the 4th quarter.  

 

The Bills wouldn't have made the playoffs despite Shady's heroics against Indy if Andy Dalton didn't throw a 49 yard TD pass to Tyler Boyd on a fourth and 12 play with less than a minute to play to keep Baltimore from taking the final wild card slot.

 

Yep. And we won 9 games. 9 win teams make the playoffs all the time and it always depends on other teams losses.

[ganesh]

8 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

His only friend 

 

 

Manning show stay on the sidelines making commercials...He is really good at it.

[Doc Brown]

11 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

How, exactly, has Pegula "finally got it right for the Bills"?   The Bills landed in the 2017 playoffs only because the Colts defenders couldn't tackle Shady in a snowstorm and the Ravens defenders fell asleep on 4th and 12 at the end of the game.  The Bills won 6 games in 2018 and, frankly, are lucky they still have a healthy starting QB for the poor offensive talent they put around him.   They lost 4 games by 2 TDs or more in 2017 and 6 more by 2 TDs or more in 2018. 

 

Maybe the Bills will turn it around in 2019 but there's no guarantee that they will -- and no evidence that the Pegulas have learned much about building a winning football team which starts with building a competent organization.   They have certainly failed to do so with the Sabres in their seven years as owners.

 

I agree with this as I'm more skeptical than most.  2017 was a weird year where we won most of our close games and got crushed in most of our losses.  However, at least the players buy into the process and play hard for McDermott.  I think the hiring of McBeane shows that they learned the importance of an organization on the same page from the top down, but I still need to see results.  

[aristocrat]

6 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

Maybe if the Bills made the playoffs more often than seventeen year cicadas hatch, maybe occasionally making them on miraculous plays wouldn't be so noticeable.

 

 

The Bills beat the Colts in OT when McCoy ran for 65 yards for the winning score ... after the Bills allowed the Colts to score their only TD on a 19 play drive that took up nearly 10 minutes of the 4th quarter.  

 

The Bills wouldn't have made the playoffs despite Shady's heroics against Indy if Andy Dalton didn't throw a 49 yard TD pass to Tyler Boyd on a fourth and 12 play with less than a minute to play to keep Baltimore from taking the final wild card slot.

 

I suppose I could have cited Nathan's scintillating play against the Chargers as making the Indy win and the Ravens loss necessary ... but ... probably not ...

 

Now go through all other teams and similar plays in their victories. Or were the bills the only beneficiary of big plays?  

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

If we start a GoFundMe to get Wrecks hired on to the Jests, anybody else ‘in’?  ?  I’ll bet Johnson and Johnson would be on board (for this even bigger train wreck). 

[YoloinOhio]

This is hilarious