John from Riverside Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Dissapoint? Nope first check you write is for the house payment....the second one is for the house INSURANCE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 For the record, if ANYONE we draft ANYWHERE turns out to be an all pro, I won't be the least bit disappointed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 9 minutes ago, GreggTX said: For the record, if ANYONE we draft ANYWHERE turns out to be an all pro, I won't be the least bit disappointed. Oh come on now........Dareus didn't disappoint you in the least? People forget that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
15k-#25 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 I wouldn’t see this as a disappointment. They would be investing in protecting the potential face of the Franchise in Allen. What’s not to like. Let’s face it, this teams future success or failure rest on #17’s shoulders. Build up around him, and let’s go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 (edited) Would much, much, much prefer Oliver in this scenario. Thus, I would be disappointed in Jonah Williams. I don’t worry about JW’s technique, but I do worry somewhat about his athleticism. It adequate but it isn’t elite or even above average for an OT. For me 9 is too high for a player that doesn’t check both boxes - tape and measurables. I’m not saying he won’t be good, just that I don’t take the risk there. Give me Oliver. (Before anyone says it, I don’t have any issue with his playing weight. It’s enough that it is not a negative at all.) Edited to add that I’d have no issue with taking an OT at 9 that did check both boxes. Edited April 25, 2019 by BarleyNY Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 36 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Would much, much, much prefer Oliver in this scenario. Thus, I would be disappointed in Jonah Williams. I don’t worry about JW’s technique, but I do worry somewhat about his athleticism. It adequate but it isn’t elite or even above average for an OT. For me 9 is too high for a player that doesn’t check both boxes - tape and measurables. I’m not saying he won’t be good, just that I don’t take the risk there. Give me Oliver. (Before anyone says it, I don’t have any issue with his playing weight. It’s enough that it is not a negative at all.) Edited to add that I’d have no issue with taking an OT at 9 that did check both boxes. Yeah if you are willing to settle for a solid LT then why not just try to keep developing Dawkins there? I think DD's ceiling is in general higher as an OL. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 3 hours ago, 947 said: Jonah Williams will never be a starting LT in the NFL, let alone an All Pro. All Pro Guard?, I could maybe see that. Why? 1 hour ago, GreggTX said: For the record, if ANYONE we draft ANYWHERE turns out to be an all pro, I won't be the least bit disappointed. Good point. I'm thinking more in the moment than in the future Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 11 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: 1. Arizona - Murray 2. Raiders - Trade with San Francisco Bosa 3. NY Jets - Allen 4. San Francisco - Quinnen Williams 5. Tampa Bay - White 6. NY Giants - Sweat - this is my most unsure pick. Sweat could go as high as 5 and fall as low as 25 7. Jacksonville - Taylor 8. Detroit - Bush 9. Buffalo - Jonah Williams This is what I think will happen not what I would do if I was GM for most of these clubs. I think Beane tries to trade down but can't find any suitors. I believe McDermott does not want an undersized Oliver at DT that argued with his coach. I think Dawkins took a step back in both run and pass blocking last year and Nsekhe is at best a one year retread rental at RT. I believe Beane would be happy landing Taylor, Williams, or Dillard but loathes to do so at #9. Lastly, while I would take Hockenson or Fant at #9, I think the board is probably correct in that teams just don't put first round grades on TE's that often and Beane won't either. With the top 7 defenders off the board, Beane albeit reluctantly takes a future All-Pro LT. No way we pass on Oliver. No. Way. Not that he’ll be there anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Wouldn't be disappointed about that at all. I'd be disappointed if we draft a CB or LB first. Everything else is fair game in my eyes. And offense, I believe, is the priority. So an LT would be great since we don't have a clear Franchise LT on our roster. Still prefer Hockenson, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills Survivor Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 I could live with it if Oliver is off the board. If he isn't I would puke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Why would people be upset about Jonah Williams? He's a stud prospect to help anchor our OL for our stud in the making QB. Is it sexy as some of the other choices...no, but OL never are. But I doubt people will be truly disappointed if that happened. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 2 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah if you are willing to settle for a solid LT then why not just try to keep developing Dawkins there? I think DD's ceiling is in general higher as an OL. Yup. Especially since the guy you’d be drafting might not even end up playing OT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Socal-805 Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 Try like HELL to trade down in 1st. This Team is a long ways away from completing, and needs DRAFTED starters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 4 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said: Yeah I'm not thrilled with Dawkins but I think his ceiling is as high as Jonah Williams at LT and HIGHER at guard. If I am taking a LT that early I don't want a "solid" one...........I want one I won't mind giving a $100M contract extension to after 4 years.. The whole 5th year option and the escalating AAV's on contracts of edge players is an evolving factor in how teams should use first round picks...........you really want the massive ceiling with a top 10 pick...........you don't want to pay a Bulaga $18M per year just because you don't want to go from OK to nothing. If the LT is that good it’d be after 5 years with the option, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: If the LT is that good it’d be after 5 years with the option, right? You have to pick up the year 5 option after 3 years..........but you can also sign an extension at that point. Only about half of first round contracts get that 5th year option picked up another group signs extensions prior. Playing your 5th year on the option is becoming viewed more and more like a franchise tag...........you want to know for sure by the end of year 4.........and with a LT hopefully A LOT sooner. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 How many All Pro LT's have Super Bowl rings? Joe Thomas never even made the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 25, 2019 Author Share Posted April 25, 2019 5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said: There no way on Gods green earth that Beane takes Jonah over Oliver/ Hock. Not happening! Thus my point, if it happened almost everyone on this board goes nuts. 22 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: How many All Pro LT's have Super Bowl rings? Joe Thomas never even made the playoffs. Orlando Pace Jonathan Ogden Walter Jones played in SB stolen by the refs from Seattle Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 14 hours ago, BillsFan1988 said: Correct me if I'm wrong but I've never heard of an elite LT with short arms if there is 1 let me know either way there few and far in between. Hey man, look, it’s not the length that matters it’s how you use them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 6 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: “Needs” change in an instant, too. That can't be emphasized enough. As fans we crave "on paper" roster balance but it never lasts once they actually put the pads on. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: Thus my point, if it happened almost everyone on this board goes nuts. Orlando Pace Jonathan Ogden Walter Jones played in SB stolen by the refs from Seattle Cool. So 2... The other 20 in that timeframe weren't. The Steelers started Jonathan Scott of Buffalo Bills legend for their 2010 SB appearance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 There are players I would pick ahead of him but they prolly won't be there. J. Williams will be a very good pro at tackle or inside for many years. What's not to like if he's the pick? Nothing that I can see. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted April 25, 2019 Share Posted April 25, 2019 1 hour ago, Ethan in Portland said: Thus my point, if it happened almost everyone on this board goes nuts. Orlando Pace Jonathan Ogden Walter Jones played in SB stolen by the refs from Seattle I have absolutely no problem picking Jonah if Oliver/TJ are gone. I have Jonah Williams higher than Taylor/Dillard. Now if we go DB or Metcalf @9 I will lose it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Ethan in Portland said: Thus my point, if it happened almost everyone on this board goes nuts. Orlando Pace Jonathan Ogden Walter Jones played in SB stolen by the refs from Seattle Jumbo Elliot wasn't so bad either. I also heard that Art Shell was decent. Edited April 26, 2019 by Bill from NYC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 I do not think Oliver is big enough to change positions to LT. Maybe you should change title and include words "bad speculation" or "delusion". Of course as thread owner you could delete the evidence. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Why are we making Oliver change positions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 Evidently poster in Portland got inside info. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 26, 2019 Author Share Posted April 26, 2019 My predictions were awful. Nailed Sweat being a possible guy to fall. Wasn't too far off for Bush. Williams didn't last long after Bills passed on him. I hope McBeane chose wisely. Interior pass rush would be great. I'm just worried Oliver is too small to play DT at the NFL level. Hopefully he can use his quickness whiel he adds ten or fifteen pounds over the next couple of years Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 26, 2019 Share Posted April 26, 2019 I really thought it would be a tackle. Best one was available. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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