ExiledInIllinois Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 How does a construction accident of this magnitude happen in 2019? With all the lessens we have learned from history, regulation, safety, etc... ??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: We need to pray for those workers,I would assume they will be traveling down a very tough road for a very long time mentally,maybe until he/they meet Saints Peter and Paul? I believe today's sad event is a way of Christ telling us ,no person,Christian or not... doesn't have faults. With all do respect King Kev, I won’t be praying but I’ll think positively for those people. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 What were they doing? Welding, cutting next to a bale of cotton? ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 minute ago, ExiledInIllinois said: What were they doing? Welding, cutting next to a bale of cotton? ? Electrical fault would be my guess 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 minute ago, GoBills808 said: Electrical fault would be my guess Is it 220v in Paris/France. Probably old faulty wiring? Takes a pretty big spark, arc flash to get out of control. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, The Avenger said: Wow - this is terrible. The beauty of this place is hard to express. I was there about 15 years ago and had the opportunity to sit inside and listen to a concert played on the pipe organ - something that is only played a few times a year - it was fantastic hearing those acoustics and looking at the stained glass....... This is one of my favorite videos on Youtube. Camille Saint-Saens' Symphony 3 in C Minor...the finale, recorded in 1997 in Notre Dame. I'm literally sick to my stomach right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, The Senator said: Probably some candles tipped over. All those pews, wooden doors, and the wooden pipe organ fanned the flames in the large open nave of the Cathedral. Or some altar boys were playing with matches. . Or somebody did something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Just now, ExiledInIllinois said: Is it 220v in Paris/France. Probably old faulty wiring? Takes a pretty big spark, arc flash to get out of control. Either that or just a regular construction snafu, like a generator exhaust on some rags or something. It sounds like there was some work ongoing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Just now, GoBills808 said: Either that or just a regular construction snafu, like a generator exhaust on some rags or something. It sounds like there was some work ongoing. When I saw all the scaffolding up I immediately assumed construction activity started the fire. 8 minutes ago, ExiledInIllinois said: What were they doing? Welding, cutting next to a bale of cotton? ? It's not easy to start a fire in such a huge landmark. I immediately thought someone did this on purpose; then saw the scaffolding and realized that it had to be the source of the fire. Exactly how it started doesn't really matter now. I'd be shocked if it wasn't related to the restoration work though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Just now, Nextmanup said: When I saw all the scaffolding up I immediately assumed construction activity started the fire. Yeah...I'm just speculating but that would be my guess as well. Tragedy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 15 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: When I saw all the scaffolding up I immediately assumed construction activity started the fire. It's not easy to start a fire in such a huge landmark. I immediately thought someone did this on purpose; then saw the scaffolding and realized that it had to be the source of the fire. Exactly how it started doesn't really matter now. I'd be shocked if it wasn't related to the restoration work though. if it were deliberately set it would REALLY MATTER NOW. it's been a powderkeg over there for awhile, a few blatant problems in the news weekly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 27 minutes ago, Wayne Cubed said: I’ve seen and visited the cathedral a number of times. It’s kind of sad what’s happened to it. The state law in France doesn’t allow them to charge for entrance to the cathedral so restoration has been difficult because it’s been difficult to raise funds. They had finally raised money to start after a public outcry and now this. All that’s left of the interior is pictures now... Wayne,if you travels take you to Minneapolis -St.Paul,find time to see the Cathedral of St.Paul,the hand crafted sculptures of many Saints welcomes you on both sides of the front entrance...going right up to the first pew.Attending a mass there is so up lifting...it's like stepping out of a tub of fresh bath water. The organ there...is one of the oldest in the world. Peace 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 2 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said: Wayne,if you travels take you to Minneapolis -St.Paul,find time to see the Cathedral of St.Paul,the hand crafted sculptures of many Saints welcomes you on both sides of the front entrance...going right up to the first pew.Attending a mass there is so up lifting...it's like stepping out of a tub of fresh bath water. The organ there...is one of the oldest in the world. Peace I have family in Minneapolis and have been there a number of times as well and of course across the river to St. Paul. It’s a beautiful cathedral as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 LORD please save Notre Dame with all your infinite wisdom and glory 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coloradobillsfan Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) some optimism; a French official has said the main structure has been "saved and preserved", and this includes the two bell towers *he also notes that a significant amount of artwork was able to be removed by firefighters Edited April 15, 2019 by coloradobillsfan 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Or somebody did something. Well, they’re speculating it started in the spire, ‘cause flames were spotted on the roof first. Can’t imagine how they’d cause a spark up there, unless they were welding. Those Parisians all smoke like chimneys, so I guess I could see someone tossing a butt or a match. I’m still thinking it started in that huge open air nave, with all those candles and wood, and all that oxygen to fan the flames. . Edited April 15, 2019 by The Senator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 3 hours ago, \GoBillsInDallas/ said: https://www.lemonde.fr/societe/article/2019/04/15/incendie-en-cours-dans-la-cathedrale-notre-dame-de-paris_5450533_3224.html Horrible. Our Lady. Survived 800 years, Industrial pollution, French revolution, Napoleon, War of 1870, 2 World Wars. Very sad day. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Looks like the 2 towers and main facade is now safe. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 31 minutes ago, coloradobillsfan said: some optimism; a French official has said the main structure has been "saved and preserved", and this includes the two bell towers *he also notes that a significant amount of artwork was able to be removed by firefighters The entire globe of Christain faith will not allow the Cathedral to lay in rest. We have never failed before..outside of abortion and annulment of a marriage ,we fight with pride and confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 President Macron just spoke and confirmed that the cathedral will be rebuilt. Apparently many works of art inside the church have been salvaged. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Avenger Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Just heartbreaking to see the people in Paris standing in stunned silence or crying or singing hymns together. I am deeply saddened by this and I have only visited Paris once - I can't imagine what it would feel like if I considered it a central part of my home and a national source of pride. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 God bless the people of Paris may the Holy Spirit be with them in this time... 1000 years of history... relics of Christ let everything be saved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Buffalo716 said: God bless the people of Paris may the Holy Spirit be with them in this time... 1000 years of history... relics of Christ let everything be saved Well, I get the sentiment, but most Parisians hate America, and Americans. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Senator said: Well, I get the sentiment, but most Parisians hate America, and Americans. . I’m not an American. I am a Catholic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 3 minutes ago, The Senator said: Well, I get the sentiment, but most Parisians hate America, and Americans. . You speak for most Parisians, huh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 9 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: God bless the people of Paris may the Holy Spirit be with them in this time... 1000 years of history... relics of Christ let everything be saved Quote “Good news: all the works of art were saved,” reported French journalist Nicolas Delesalle. “The treasure of the Cathedral is intact, the Crown of thorns, the Holy sacraments.” http://www.ladbible.com/news/news-fire-at-notre-dame-cathedral-has-spread-to-rectangular-tower-20190415 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said: I’m not an American. I am a Catholic My apologies. I am also a Catholic, and an American. Civus Romanus? You are a citizen of Rome maybe? . 18 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: You speak for most Parisians, huh? Only the ones I’ve met. . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 hour ago, Misterbluesky said: ....the hand crafted sculptures of many Saints welcomes you on both sides of the front entrance... St. Fran Tarkenton?! ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 33 minutes ago, The Senator said: Well, I get the sentiment, but most Parisians hate America, and Americans. . I've spent time in Paris, and other parts of France, for more than a full month in total. I've never encountered what you're speaking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 12 minutes ago, MDH said: I've spent time in Paris, and other parts of France, for more than a full month in total. I've never encountered what you're speaking about. so the whole world loves the US and Americans? Thanks, I never suspected that. Or you are basing this on minimal chatter or being extremely duplicious here.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDH Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 minute ago, row_33 said: so the whole world loves the US and Americans? Thanks, I never suspected that. Or you are basing this on minimal chatter or being extremely duplicious here.... I'm basing what? I never made a claim other than what I, personally, encountered in my time in France. Pretty much everybody I had interactions with were no more rude than anywhere else in the world. Most people were gracious and welcoming and you had a few asshats. That's life everywhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 6 minutes ago, MDH said: Most people were gracious and welcoming and you had a few asshats. That's life everywhere. We at TBD-TSW should aspire to this lofty ideal...? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo716 Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 28 minutes ago, The Senator said: My apologies. I am also a Catholic, and an American. Civus Romanus? You are a citizen of Rome maybe? . Only the ones I’ve met. . Technically I am an American citizen... but I identify as a Catholic first and my prayers are with my brothers and sisters in Christ in France Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 Sad ... Nothing more to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 ?This one hurts. This is loss for all of humanity. I am so sorry France Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coloradobillsfan Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) this is actually a lot better than I expected! Edited April 15, 2019 by coloradobillsfan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 (edited) 18 minutes ago, MDH said: I'm basing what? I never made a claim other than what I, personally, encountered in my time in France. Pretty much everybody I had interactions with were no more rude than anywhere else in the world. Most people were gracious and welcoming and you had a few asshats. That's life everywhere. I found just the opposite to be true - some were kind, polite, gracious, but most were very abrupt and rude. I suppose it helps if you speak the language. I am not fluent at all, my French is very poor. I remember when they refused to join the coalition against Iraq in 2003 - I swore I’d never drive another Puegot, and never have. We were spilling bottles of Dom and fine French wine down storm sewers, and re-named French Fries... Edited April 15, 2019 by The Senator Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 57 minutes ago, The Senator said: Well, I get the sentiment, but most Parisians hate America, and Americans. . I have been to France several times, and I found French people to be gracious and kind. Sure they hate our President but they don't like theirs either. They like good Americans IMO. They don't care for idiot Americans, but either do I Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Senator Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 1 minute ago, Pete said: I have been to France several times, and I found French people to be gracious and kind. Sure they hate our President but they don't like theirs either. They like good Americans IMO. They don't care for idiot Americans, but either do I And they should. If it weren’t for good Americans, they’d be speaking German. . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted April 15, 2019 Share Posted April 15, 2019 We owe France for our independence. Ever hear of Marquis de Lafayette? France is our oldest friend. Taking cheap shots at an old friend during a French tragedy is no way to treat an old friend 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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