Kirby Jackson Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 season high in NE was only ever 680 and if you come on this board the last couple years you would have thought we let a first ballot wr walk..... never understood the hype. 9 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
prissythecat Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Superbowl? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Solid depth WR who I was sad to let go, but honestly the lamentation of his departure was blown way out of proportion. He's nothing more than a 3rd or 4th WR. And Mike Gillislee was a win for this organization. Picked up a street free agent, got some TD's from him, and stole a draft pick from the Patriots when they signed him. Then he did nothing there. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 12, 2019 Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, prissythecat said: Superbowl? Oh, absolutely 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: season high in NE was only ever 680 and if you come on this board the last couple years you would have thought we let a first ballot wr walk..... never understood the hype. Nah. It's more accurate to say that posters who were down on Hogan were railing against "the hype"....that really never existed. Posters who supported keeping him here noted the WR corps as it was, was slim. Simple. No need to manufacture "hype" to rail against it. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Nah. It's more accurate to say that posters who were down on Hogan were railing against "the hype"....that really never existed. Posters who supported keeping him here noted the WR corps as it was, was slim. Simple. No need to manufacture "hype" to rail against it. That's simply not true. Hogan had a cult of pissed off followers that continually bashed the Bills for letting him go. 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Just now, Mr. WEO said: Nah. It's more accurate to say that posters who were down on Hogan were railing against "the hype"....that really never existed. Posters who supported keeping him here noted the WR corps as it was, was slim. Simple. No need to manufacture "hype" to rail against it. I never commented on him one way or the other because I never cared enough for him to get in a debate. this is as far as I've ever gotten..... and I'll say from what I noticed during my lurking on the subject. people cared way too much about his departure and one great playoff game in NE totally inflated peoples perception. Just now, MJS said: That's simply not true. Hogan had a cult of pissed off followers that continually bashed the Bills for letting him go. I would agree but WEO already put me in my place ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Oh boy Kirby. You’re my boy but let it go. Hogan is Jerry Rice to D’Rick’s Brad Lamb. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, MJS said: Solid depth WR who I was sad to let go, but honestly the lamentation of his departure was blown way out of proportion. He's nothing more than a 3rd or 4th WR. And Mike Gillislee was a win for this organization. Picked up a street free agent, got some TD's from him, and stole a draft pick from the Patriots when they signed him. Then he did nothing there. That pick turned out to Milano. I was upset when they lost him. Partially because it was the pats**** that took him and partially because Whaley wouldnt give him a higher tender to recoup a draft pick if he left. It was poor management and showed me he didn't know how to keep his players Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: I never commented on him one way or the other because I never cared enough for him to get in a debate. this is as far as I've ever gotten..... and I'll say from what I noticed during my lurking on the subject. people cared way too much about his departure and one great playoff game in NE totally inflated peoples perception. I would agree but WEO already put me in my place ? I think it boils down to this: many Bills fans think any "good," player on the Bills is "awesome." It's like thinking a 9 win season and a pathetic showing in a playoff game was "successful." Standards are VERY low around here, which is why people thought losing Mr. "7-11," was catastrophic. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Captain Hindsight said: That pick turned out to Milano. I was upset when they lost him. Partially because it was the pats**** that took him and partially because Whaley wouldnt give him a higher tender to recoup a draft pick if he left. It was poor management and showed me he didn't know how to keep his players They underestimated the Patriots and their appetite for white receivers. For sure. But ultimately it was silly for many fans to complain for years because we let a depth WR go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, MJS said: They underestimated the Patriots and their appetite for white receivers. For sure. But ultimately it was silly for many fans to complain for years because we let a depth WR go. Oh I agree. I think we could have used a guy like him the last few years, but in terms of actual production, he was an ok receiver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Gugny said: I think it boils down to this: many Bills fans think any "good," player on the Bills is "awesome." It's like thinking a 9 win season and a pathetic showing in a playoff game was "successful." Standards are VERY low around here, which is why people thought losing Mr. "7-11," was catastrophic. why would you even do this.... there's so much context missing there. i'm seriously shaking like a gremlin sort of irritated by that statement right now. not gonna touch it. not gonna touch it. not gonna touch it...….. as far Hogan goes. I think his huge playoff game a couple years back, against Pittsburgh maybe, added a bunch of fuel to the fire. it shouldn't have. but it did. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 He was a good player who got into the league only because the Bills gave him a chance. He made a business decision to move to the Patriots, and it worked out for him. He did much better there than he would have here -- what receiver wouldn't do better catching Brady darts? Hogan's game meshed well with the Patriots' offense, too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: why would you even do this.... there's so much context missing there. i'm seriously shaking like a gremlin sort of irritated by that statement right now. not gonna touch it. not gonna touch it. not gonna touch it...….. as far Hogan goes. I think his huge playoff game a couple years back, against Pittsburgh maybe, added a bunch of fuel to the fire. it shouldn't have. but it did. I may have done it on purpose a little. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 17 minutes ago, MJS said: Solid depth WR who I was sad to let go, but honestly the lamentation of his departure was blown way out of proportion. He's nothing more than a 3rd or 4th WR. And Mike Gillislee was a win for this organization. Picked up a street free agent, got some TD's from him, and stole a draft pick from the Patriots when they signed him. Then he did nothing there. The Gillislee lamentation bordered on ridiculous. OK - it was ridiculous 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, Utah John said: He was a good player who got into the league only because the Bills gave him a chance. He made a business decision to move to the Patriots, and it worked out for him. He did much better there than he would have here -- what receiver wouldn't do better catching Brady darts? Hogan's game meshed well with the Patriots' offense, too. Well he pretty much did the same there as he did here. Pretty similar stats. And Hogan was in the league before we picked him up. We just gave him playing time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Oh boy Kirby. You’re my boy but let it go. Hogan is Jerry Rice to D’Rick’s Brad Lamb. Ha, I was coming here to compare Hogan's career stats to Kirby's boy D'Rick... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: Nah. It's more accurate to say that posters who were down on Hogan were railing against "the hype"....that really never existed. Posters who supported keeping him here noted the WR corps as it was, was slim. Simple. No need to manufacture "hype" to rail against it. Imo, the posters who supported him hated Whaley. It wasn’t that we let him go. It was HOW we let him go. That we didn’t tender him properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Just now, Gugny said: I may have done it on purpose a little. must be that time of year..... i'm fairly certain it was around this time last year I passive aggressively hinted I wanted you hit by highway traffic. ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said: That pick turned out to Milano. I was upset when they lost him. Partially because it was the pats**** that took him and partially because Whaley wouldnt give him a higher tender to recoup a draft pick if he left. It was poor management and showed me he didn't know how to keep his players You THOUGHT it was poor management. In hindsight, it was a GREAT move. Milano >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>gillislee Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, NewEra said: Imo, the posters who supported him hated Whaley. It wasn’t that we let him go. It was HOW we let him go. That we didn’t tender him properly. ? 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 12, 2019 Author Share Posted April 12, 2019 14 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Oh boy Kirby. You’re my boy but let it go. Hogan is Jerry Rice to D’Rick’s Brad Lamb. A JAG that was a Product of opportunity Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, Utah John said: He was a good player who got into the league only because the Bills gave him a chance. He made a business decision to move to the Patriots, and it worked out for him. He did much better there than he would have here -- what receiver wouldn't do better catching Brady darts? Hogan's game meshed well with the Patriots' offense, too. his high in buffalo was 450. his high there was 680.... sooooo much better. i'd be ok with a rings argument but a numbers one isn't very accurate. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 11 minutes ago, Gugny said: I think it boils down to this: many Bills fans think any "good," player on the Bills is "awesome." It's like thinking a 9 win season and a pathetic showing in a playoff game was "successful." Standards are VERY low around here, which is why people thought losing Mr. "7-11," was catastrophic. Getting to the playoffs in your first year of a regime change, total scheme change, and with a team that hasn't been to the playoffs in 17 seasons IS successful. Pretty obvious that the goal is to win the championship and anything less than that isn't good enough, but those were promising year 1 results. In my opinion breaking the drought was important and key to developing this team with a focus on future success. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billieve420 Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 JAG never understood the love. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 37 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: season high in NE was only ever 680 and if you come on this board the last couple years you would have thought we let a first ballot wr walk..... never understood the hype. didn't he break a record in catches or something in the playoffs? Chris Hogan Breaks Patriots Record For Most Receiving ... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Getting to the playoffs in your first year of a regime change, total scheme change, and with a team that hasn't been to the playoffs in 17 seasons IS successful. Pretty obvious that the goal is to win the championship and anything less than that isn't good enough, but those were promising year 1 results. In my opinion breaking the drought was important and key to developing this team with a focus on future success. I was just busting @Stank_Nasty's balls. I cried real tears when Cincinnati got the Bills into the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 awesome thread title ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, ShadyBillsFan said: didn't he break a record in catches or something in the playoffs? his first season there he went off and had 9 for 180 in the afc title game and a large chunk of fans and national media crucified the bills for letting him walk for about a full year after that. "even a blind squirrel....." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 41 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: season high in NE was only ever 680 and if you come on this board the last couple years you would have thought we let a first ballot wr walk..... never understood the hype. Hogan is a solid WR3. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 (edited) 6 minutes ago, MJS said: Getting to the playoffs in your first year of a regime change, total scheme change, and with a team that hasn't been to the playoffs in 17 seasons IS successful. Pretty obvious that the goal is to win the championship and anything less than that isn't good enough, but those were promising year 1 results. In my opinion breaking the drought was important and key to developing this team with a focus on future success. that was a calculated strike against yours truly...… I've been clenching my *** cheeks the last 10 minutes trying not to respond to it directly. Just now, formerlyofCtown said: Hogan is a solid WR3. right. ok. Edited April 12, 2019 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 6 minutes ago, MJS said: Getting to the playoffs in your first year of a regime change, total scheme change, and with a team that hasn't been to the playoffs in 17 seasons IS successful. Pretty obvious that the goal is to win the championship and anything less than that isn't good enough, but those were promising year 1 results. In my opinion breaking the drought was important and key to developing this team with a focus on future success. Dont mind him I think he has "Get off my lawn" issues. 2 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: that was a calculated strike against yours truly...… I've been clenching my *** cheeks the last 10 minutes trying not to respond to it directly. right. ok. Oh is a WR3 supposed to put up HOF numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 He had like 200 yards in that one playoff game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 49 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: ...so does that mean he'll be here next year?............. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 (edited) 4 minutes ago, formerlyofCtown said: Dont mind him I think he has "Get off my lawn" issues. Oh is a WR3 supposed to put up HOF numbers. uh no.... where exactly is the miscommunication here? I've basically said he was overhyped by the fans and media after a big playoff game and pedestrian regular seasons.... if somebody wants to say he's a solid #3 i'm cool with that. wheres the issue? and how did you get the bolded from what I responded to you with? I was agreeing. I think maybe you thought I was being sarcastic? Edited April 12, 2019 by Stank_Nasty Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 1 minute ago, Stank_Nasty said: uh no.... where exactly is the miscommunication here? I've basically said he was overhyped by the fans and media after a big playoff game and pedestrian regular seasons.... if somebody wants to say he's a solid #3 i'm cool with that. wheres the issue? and how did you get that from what i'm saying? Sorry took it as sarcasm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 Just now, formerlyofCtown said: Sorry took it as sarcasm. ya. I read it back and thought that could have happened. I was agreeing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted April 12, 2019 Share Posted April 12, 2019 7/11 during practice, Enron during a game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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