QB Wonderlic Scores 2018

[Punching Bag]

8 hours ago, K-9 said:

It indicates he can process information relatively quickly.

 

8 hours ago, Forward Progress said:

For those who want to know all of the scores...

 

NFL Wonderlic Scores

 

I have pulled out a list of QB's for the sake of reference:

Player	Score	Position
Nathan Peterman	33	QB
Johnny Manziel	32	QB

 

This just proves that those with high scores can process information relatively quickly OR you can practice for the test just like you can SATs, etc. (I got the highest grade in our school on SAT and was told I could retake it.  I said I did not study for it and really did not see way to improve my grade by taking again.)

8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

By using facts?  Doesn’t mean Jackson is better but he did make the playoffs and have a better completion % and qb rating. 

 

He did not make the playoffs his team did.

[Punching Bag]

8 hours ago, Capco said:

Biscuit should change his name to strawman. 

 

As in scarecrow?  "If I only had a brain".

7 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

I have no trouble with Marino being that un-bright, his panel appearances are pitiful.

 

 

His whole advertising endorsements started for him year he was injured.  It turned out to be good luck for him.

Some of the stories I have read about him during this time indicate he was clueless on almost everything with some advertising directors refusing to work with him.

[C.Biscuit97]

5 hours ago, Tenhigh said:

But you've gone to far the other way, and are going out of your way not to like the kid. Listen, we all know that you're dying to jump on the bandwagon.  What is it going to take?

I’m just trying to take a realistic view. I wanted another team to take him.  This is very new for me but I don’t know how to just blindly support a guy I have serious doubts about.  I know Allen will work hard and has great physical skills.  I’m just not fans of these type of qbs.

 

that said, 60%, 1.5 td to 1 int ratio (very low bar), and 230 yards passing.  I believe those are very reasonable 2nd qb stats.

7 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

 

As in scarecrow?  "If I only had a brain".

Sick burn bro.  And PM me if you want to compare degrees. ?

[C.Biscuit97]

1 hour ago, DuckyBoys said:

I took it and got a 42 .  Football players are not too bright

Bright enough to get paid millions to play a sport. 

[stony]

7 hours ago, prissythecat said:

 

Can you pay for someone take  a Wonderlic for you just like how those rich people paid millions to get their kids scores fabricated in that Admissions Scandal

[C.Biscuit97]

4 hours ago, eball said:

 

And your solution is to now berate other posters and call them homers because they look for optimism?  Curious.

Who’s berating people?  You’re the one calling me names because I won’t bend over to praise Allen.  

 

As homer, you’ve (and formerly myself) have been more wrong than right supporting the Bills over the years.  

[WideNine]

8 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Well of the 1st round qbs, dumb Lamar was the only one in the playoffs. 

 

The Forest Gump of QBs?

 

Even a blind squirrel can find a nut now and then?

 

Seriously, Baltimore is about the only place he would be that successful and kudos to them for putting him in the right kind of offense to maximize his skills.

 

Roman is the right OC for him too.

 

Never knew that about Kelly and Marino...WTF. Were they up all night doing shots before taking the test? - would not have surprised me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 26, 2019 by WideNine

[Punching Bag]

6 hours ago, HardyBoy said:

It's also about figuring out how to take the test. So there are 50 questions, say 27 can be done in 5 seconds by basically everyone, some can be done in 5 seconds by some people and others take a lot longer and there are some that take 10 minutes for the smartest, most knowledgeable person alive.

 

If you put a few of the harder problems early, and the real tough one at like #15, then a 27 therefore shows you know how to take a test, because you skipped problems and are a good test taker.

 

That said, you could be really smart, get through the first 14 and just have to figure out the #15 problem...not necessarily a bad thing, not near as bad if you get a 13 and skipped all the hard ones (having the desire to solve complex problems is a good thing to have, but doing that on this test probably shows you have adhd, or did not prepare for the test in anyway...the lack of prep would be more of a concern by far).

 

It reminds me how I took the math portion of the SAT.  I would mark on sheet potential answers eliminating those which could not be correct if I could not determine answer quickly.  One of the teachers looked at my test trying to explain that I needed to fill in the bubbles and I explained to teacher I was filling in bubbles for those which I knew answers and the marks were for me to go back and check after I got all of the "automatic" ones. Teacher tried to tell me I'd have no time to do that but I ignored her.  In last 10 minutes I had 20 questions unanswered where I had marked answers "likely" or "possible" and one which I had no idea. At 5 minute mark I marked all the answers I had not proven which other answers were wrong all but the one which I had no idea what answer was.

 

Teacher proctoring test told me I likely failed because I did not follow instructions.  She kept a copy of my answer sheet for her own curiosity. 

 

When we received grades on SAT she came to me and told me I got highest score in school (and school district it turns out) on math portion of SAT and she asked me to sit down and explain my answer sheet and its marks.  I went over methodology with her, that I did not look for good answers but eliminating bad ones,  explaining probability vs scoring and contrasting questions on test eliminating some answers.  She told me I only had errors on those I had put questionable marks on and one I skipped. Everyone without a mark was right and almost every one with a mark as probable was right.  She told me what I did was impossible but she saw it.

 

 

[Capco]

@Limeaid Sounds like your teacher was a dumb ass.  What you described is classic SAT strategy (at least as far as I knew of when I took it).  

[Punching Bag]

45 minutes ago, Capco said:

@Limeaid Sounds like your teacher was a dumb ass.  What you described is classic SAT strategy (at least as far as I knew of when I took it).  

 

Well my teacher was in her early 60's so she would be well over 100 now.

 

My math teacher, someone who was a Grandmaster chess champion when in army and I played him multiple times a week beating him once in 3 years, saw nothing odd about my strategy although he did recommend I retake test.

[Rock'em Sock'em]

11 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:

Has nothing to do with making a decision within 3 seconds under pressure and accurately delivering a pass. 

 

All this says is Allen can retain a lot of information.

How quickly a QB recognizes the defense pre-snap can lead to making adjustments based on the game plan and better decisions post-snap.  Also having an idea of what to expect once the ball is snapped probably does increase accuracy.  It's less of a matter of how much can be retained and more about how quickly and accurately information can be recalled.

 

Do you know influences accuracy numbers even more?  A clean pocket and WRs that can get open consistently and not drop balls.  I'm hoping we have that this year.

[LSHMEAB]

11 hours ago, Gugny said:

13 = wearing a helmet 24/7.

Careful. The greatest Bills QB of all time by a wide margin scored a 15. Didn't seem to hurt him.

 

And Kaepernick scored a 38. Honestly, that doesn't surprise me, but it's interesting nonetheless.

Edited March 27, 2019 by LSHMEAB

[BuffaloBill]

11 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

You are 100% incorrect.

 

Since 2000, every QB who scored 15 or less has not been successful as an NFL starter.

 

Prior to that, Wonderlic didn't matter as much.  Modern day NFL dictates that your QB isn't a bonafide moron.

 

 

ITT helps if the fan base is made up of bona fide morons

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

21 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

you get 8 for writing your name out

 

 

...I only got 7....spelled it wrong.......dammit.............

[row_33]

18 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

...I only got 7....spelled it wrong.......dammit.............

 

13 means you were able to write out the first 6 letters of the alphabet before your mind couldn't focus any more

 

[Saint Doug]

On 3/26/2019 at 9:59 AM, TheTruthHurts said:

Has nothing to do with making a decision within 3 seconds under pressure and accurately delivering a pass. 

 

All this says is Allen can retain a lot of information.

I think the snap decision making is only part of it. I think you also need a measurable amount of intelligence to learn and understand a complex playbook. In addition, while siting and watching video of next week’s opponent, you also need to be process what you are seeing and remember it. Maybe the CB you are up against next week has a tendency to make a certain mistake. You need to recognize this and remember it on game day. This may be what coaches are for, but I’d feel better if my QB didn’t have to be spoon fed. 

 

Lets cut to the chase here. Brady got a 33. 

[Figster]

13 hours ago, Rock'em Sock'em said:

How quickly a QB recognizes the defense pre-snap can lead to making adjustments based on the game plan and better decisions post-snap.  Also having an idea of what to expect once the ball is snapped probably does increase accuracy.  It's less of a matter of how much can be retained and more about how quickly and accurately information can be recalled.

 

Do you know influences accuracy numbers even more?  A clean pocket and WRs that can get open consistently and not drop balls.  I'm hoping we have that this year.

I like this post.

 

The size and skill set of Josh Allen allows the mental part of the game to become less impacted by the physical part of the game IMO. 

 

I really do think the sky is the limits for this kid. 

 

McD D combined with a QB like Allen puts a big smile on my face just thinking about it.

 

No more Gronk

 

MERCY!!!

 

 

[row_33]

A functionally illiterate QB can still be good out there.

 

 

[Houston's #1 Bills Fan]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

A functionally illiterate QB can still be good out there.

 

 

Terry Bradshaw doesn't like you....

[gobills1212]

On 3/26/2019 at 9:36 AM, AtlBills said:

Maybe it has already been posted,  but I was curious about the 2018 QB class scores. I remember hearing that Josh Allen had the highest score by far. Anyone ??

 

[DuckyBoys]

20 hours ago, C.Biscuit97 said:

Bright enough to get paid millions to play a sport. 

and bright enough to squander it quicker than a trailer park lottery winner

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

On 3/26/2019 at 9:59 AM, TheTruthHurts said:

Has nothing to do with making a decision within 3 seconds under pressure and accurately delivering a pass. 

 

All this says is Allen can retain a lot of information.

 

Wrong- that’s not what the test measures.  Not even close.  It does hurt, doesn’t it...

 

 

6 hours ago, row_33 said:

 

13 means you were able to write out the first 6 letters of the alphabet before your mind couldn't focus any more

 

 

So it’s merely flagging attention deficit ... ahh

Edited March 27, 2019 by Over 29 years of fanhood

[row_33]

3 hours ago, Houston's #1 Bills Fan said:

Terry Bradshaw doesn't like you....

 

Terry embraces his goofy role, Marino acts like he’s a genius.

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

Wrong- that’s not what the test measures.  Not even close.  It does hurt, doesn’t it...

 

 

 

So it’s merely flagging attention deficit ... ahh

I mean you can say whatever you want, the test doesn't give any indication of how a QB will perform in the NFL. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

1 hour ago, TheTruthHurts said:

I mean you can say whatever you want, the test doesn't give any indication of how a QB will perform in the NFL. 

 

You can also say what ever you want, but your prior characterization of what the test measures is simply wrong. That’s the Truth

[todd]

Ryan Nassib had a 41. There's some perspective!

[Buffalo_Stampede]

26 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said:

 

You can also say what ever you want, but your prior characterization of what the test measures is simply wrong. That’s the Truth

I wasn't commenting on the test specifically, but how the test scores translate to actual football.

[ColdFront_USAF]

On 3/26/2019 at 10:59 PM, TheTruthHurts said:

Has nothing to do with making a decision within 3 seconds under pressure and accurately delivering a pass. 

 

All this says is Allen can retain a lot of information.

 

I wouldn't say that. Try a wonderlic practice test some time online. It's all about speed. That's why teams use it to help identify processing speed. Sure, it doesn't mean high scores = great qb, but it means they have the ability to process information quickly. 

[BigDingus]

Tom Brady	33	QB
Nathan Peterman	33	QB

 

 

I knew Peterman & Brady were similar caliber players!

 

[Doc Brown]

The areas of intelligence they should measure is visual spatial skills and processing speed.  I don't know why they bother with overall IQ.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

37 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

The areas of intelligence they should measure is visual spatial skills and processing speed.  I don't know why they bother with overall IQ.

Sports science did that test and EJ Manual was one of the best. There's virtual reality that Trent Edwards helped develop. Only way to find out about a QB is live action. Even then, some QBs are great in live practice drills but fail in games. It's by far the hardest position in sports.

[MJS]

I'm no genius and I got a 36 on my first try. I can't for the life of me figure out how players can get less than a 20, especially when they have months to train for the draft and should have taken sample tests multiple times to improve their scores.

 

I mean, they just got out of college, right? They have to keep up grades to be able to play.

[Gugny]

12 hours ago, TheTruthHurts said:

I mean you can say whatever you want, the test doesn't give any indication of how a QB will perform in the NFL. 

 

Since 2000, it most certainly does. 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, Gugny said:

 

Since 2000, it most certainly does. 

It doesn't at all. What makes you think the Wonderlic gives any indication of how a QB will perform in the NFL? 

[C.Biscuit97]

3 hours ago, MJS said:

I'm no genius and I got a 36 on my first try. I can't for the life of me figure out how players can get less than a 20, especially when they have months to train for the draft and should have taken sample tests multiple times to improve their scores.

 

I mean, they just got out of college, right? They have to keep up grades to be able to play.

Probably a little harder with millions on the line than sitting in your living room.  Also, big time players have so much more going on than the normal college student. 

 

There are people who could do well on a standardized test than would struggle to learn a nfl playbook.  

[row_33]

4 hours ago, MJS said:

I'm no genius and I got a 36 on my first try. I can't for the life of me figure out how players can get less than a 20, especially when they have months to train for the draft and should have taken sample tests multiple times to improve their scores.

 

I mean, they just got out of college, right? They have to keep up grades to be able to play.

 

They do not have a functional level of literacy, they cannot read and comprehend directions.  At least they don't boast of engineering degrees from their "schooling"...

 

 

[Ronin]

4 hours ago, MJS said:

I'm no genius and I got a 36 on my first try. I can't for the life of me figure out how players can get less than a 20, especially when they have months to train for the draft and should have taken sample tests multiple times to improve their scores.

 

I mean, they just got out of college, right? They have to keep up grades to be able to play.

 

A  college degree doesn't make someone intelligent.  

 

Keep in mind that most of these football players get into college not on the merits of their grades or SAT/ACT scores, they get in on the merits of their football skills, hence the athletic scholarship.  Many struggle to maintain grades and anyone that's been to a school with a significant team of one sort or another knows that they pamper these kids academically and even provide an easy path of coursework thru their curriculums to grease the skids as it were.  

 

At my undergraduate institution students upon entering the class on the first day of classes, upon seeing a room full of players, realized that it wasn't going to be a difficult class.  Status quo.  

 

Granted, there are some bright athletes, particularly in other sports, but it's far from the norm.  As merely one case-in-point, look at what happens to many of these athletes after college that get drafted but bust, look at where many end up, on the streets, selling drugs, getting convicted of petty (or not so petty) crimes, etc.  Those are not signs of intelligence.  Just sayin'.  

[row_33]

12 minutes ago, TaskersGhost said:

 

A  college degree doesn't make someone intelligent.  

 

Keep in mind that most of these football players get into college not on the merits of their grades or SAT/ACT scores, they get in on the merits of their football skills, hence the athletic scholarship.  Many struggle to maintain grades and anyone that's been to a school with a significant team of one sort or another knows that they pamper these kids academically and even provide an easy path of coursework thru their curriculums to grease the skids as it were.  

 

At my undergraduate institution students upon entering the class on the first day of classes, upon seeing a room full of players, realized that it wasn't going to be a difficult class.  Status quo.  

 

Granted, there are some bright athletes, particularly in other sports, but it's far from the norm.  As merely one case-in-point, look at what happens to many of these athletes after college that get drafted but bust, look at where many end up, on the streets, selling drugs, getting convicted of petty (or not so petty) crimes, etc.  Those are not signs of intelligence.  Just sayin'.  

 

Athletes aren't any worse off on average than the rest of the student population for studies.

 

[Ronin]

16 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

Athletes aren't any worse off on average than the rest of the student population for studies.

 

 

Perhaps at certain schools,, the Stanfords, Harvards, etc.  I would argue otherwise and studies have produced results that disagree with that. 

 

What's your basis for stating that?    Did you read a study recently that demonstrated that?  

 

And BTW, re: sports other than Basketball and Football it may be different, but we're talking football here.  

 

This is dated, 11 years old;  https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/paper-trail/2008/12/30/athletes-show-huge-gaps-in-sat-scores

 

Did you run across something more current that refutes that these days?  

 

Here's an article that sums it up exactly.  No date so not sure when it was conducted.  

 

https://www.theclassroom.com/academics-college-athletes-vs-nonathletes-16678.html

 

Some key excerpts: 

 

Although athletes as a whole perform well in college, athletes in some sports consistently underperform their peers. Students in the most competitive and popular sports like basketball and football tend to earn lower grades than other athletes.

 

One explanation is that talented basketball and football players are held to looser admissions requirements than other athletes. Some top-tier athletes are allowed to enroll in college with poor high school grades and test scores, according to CNN.

 

This suggests that college athletics may bear little relationship to academic success. Instead, the best predictor may be a student's high school academic preparation.

 

The availability of tutoring for athletes and strong academic oversight by coaches may account for the difference.

 

Again, this is suggestive that football and basketball players are favored for admissions due to their athletic abilities.  

 

Secondly, it also suggests that it's the other sports, which added up feature far more students than b-ball and football, are the ones pulling up any averages or graduation rates.  

Edited March 28, 2019 by TaskersGhost

[row_33]

13 minutes ago, TaskersGhost said:

 

Perhaps at certain schools,, the Stanfords, Harvards, etc.  I would argue otherwise and studies have produced results that disagree with that. 

 

What's your basis for stating that?    Did you read a study recently that demonstrated that?  

 

And BTW, re: sports other than Basketball and Football it may be different, but we're talking football here.  

 

This is dated, 11 years old;  https://www.usnews.com/education/blogs/paper-trail/2008/12/30/athletes-show-huge-gaps-in-sat-scores

 

Did you run across something more current that refutes that these days?  

 

 

 

 

Athletes get their degrees at the same rate and take as long as the average student, most students on campus are there just to dork around and party in in the first place.

 

You are going to invoke Harvard to talk about pro-football potential?  LOL...