John from Riverside Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 With the adding of two vet WR's in free agency Beane doing work 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Agreed. Been saying since LAST season started that this was the model they would follow. Year 1, build a defense. Year 2, identify a QB Year 3, build around QB 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
junior Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Yeah, agreed. I think that's been pretty obvious since last year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rubes Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I'm loving this. Great job, Mr. Beane! GO BILLS!!! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 This is everyone's plan. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: This is everyone's plan. And we're executing it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 3 minutes ago, Mark Vader said: And we're executing it. If the WR's are good, and Allen progresses, yes. We also executed this plan drafting Watkins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buddo Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: If the WR's are good, and Allen progresses, yes. We also executed this plan drafting Watkins. Different QB, and Watkins, for all his ability, was a rookie, and needed time to adjust to the NFL. It's not necessarily an unfair observation, but I feel the circumstances aren't close enough to allow that comparison. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Now is there a disgruntled Khalil Mack like trade waiting to happen because that's what put them over the top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 We need our Kahlil Mack AKA Justin Houston to take this defense over the top. Spend dat cap boys. Buy/draft OL and WR and make a splash somewhere. Just now, FeelingOnYouboty said: Now is there a disgruntled Khalil Mack like trade waiting to happen because that's what put them over the top maybe not but there is... JUSTIN HOUSTON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 9 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: If the WR's are good, and Allen progresses, yes. We also executed this plan drafting Watkins. We gave up much more moving up for Watkins and signing Clay. These deals are much more affordable and team friendly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: We need our Kahlil Mack AKA Justin Houston to take this defense over the top. Spend dat cap boys. Buy/draft OL and WR and make a splash somewhere. maybe not but there is... JUSTIN HOUSTON Word is they're considering getting rid of Dee Ford as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 4 minutes ago, Buddo said: Different QB, and Watkins, for all his ability, was a rookie, and needed time to adjust to the NFL. It's not necessarily an unfair observation, but I feel the circumstances aren't close enough to allow that comparison. And if it worked, we executed the plan. The point is that this isn't a groundbreaking idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TOboy Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, BarkleyForGOATBackupPT5P said: We need our Kahlil Mack AKA Justin Houston to take this defense over the top. Spend dat cap boys. Buy/draft OL and WR and make a splash somewhere. maybe not but there is... JUSTIN HOUSTON Or Ziggy Ansah! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wo-Bah Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 I am cautiously optimistic. We'll certainly look different on offense. I like the John Brown signing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Love Beasley but Robinson and Burton are far superior to the guys we signed. That said, draft a guy high in the draft with size and we could be on to something. so does this mean there are no more excuses for Allen? 3 minutes ago, jletha said: We gave up much more moving up for Watkins and signing Clay. These deals are much more affordable and team friendly They were also better players. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dje85 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, TOboy said: Or Ziggy Ansah! This.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
switz1610 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) I'm just as much of a homer as anyone but you have to be out of your mind to think that Cole Beasley and John Brown are on the same level as Allen Robinson and Taylor Gabriel. But, yes, both off-seasons involved signing 2 WRs. Edited March 12, 2019 by switz1610 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Quote On March 8, 2018, Goodwin signed a three-year, $20.3 million contract extension with the 49ers that will last through the 2021 season. On March 9, 2017, Woods was signed by the Los Angeles Rams to a five-year, $34 million contract I don't really understand the hype on these WR moves, especially the undue credit being handed to Beane. We could have simply kept Goodwin and Woods for similar terms/money as the money we just gave these two guys who don't have the careers those had. This team will continue to fake fans out by the whole two steps back, one step ahead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Give Me Daryl Williams, TJ Hockenson in the first, and JAWs or Sills later in the draft and it's not bad at all. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Love Beasley but Robinson and Burton are far superior to the guys we signed. That said, draft a guy high in the draft with size and we could be on to something. Bold: Robinson and Burton were better, but they were more question marks- Robinson was a bit of a one hit wonder coming off injury, and Burton was a backup who looked ready for a big role. There was a lot of hype, but the argument could be made that Brown and Beasley are more known for what you're getting (Kroft and Robinson are similar in that way) Underlined: I agree completely with this. It just so happens that size is plentiful in this draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 33 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Love Beasley but Robinson and Burton are far superior to the guys we signed. That said, draft a guy high in the draft with size and we could be on to something. so does this mean there are no more excuses for Allen? They were also better players. Even if I admit they are more talented players what did it get us? Did Sammy make EJ or Tyrod better? No. The teams were still bad. A good QB wins with less than top level talent. The method we are following now is much more sound for long term success. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 Just now, jletha said: Even if I admit they are more talented players what did it get us? Did Sammy make EJ or Tyrod better? No. The teams were still bad. A good QB wins with less than top level talent. The method we are following now is much more sound for long term success. But we acquired Sammy to make EJ better, just like we're doing now with these guys and Allen. Ya'll are blind if you don't see its the exact same thing 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, jletha said: Even if I admit they are more talented players what did it get us? Did Sammy make EJ or Tyrod better? No. The teams were still bad. A good QB wins with less than top level talent. The method we are following now is much more sound for long term success. If Allen is a good qb. And Tyrod looked the best with Sammy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Foxx Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 48 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Word is they're considering getting rid of Dee Ford as well Dee Ford opposite Jerry Hughes....... mmmmmmmmm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 47 minutes ago, switz1610 said: I'm just as much of a homer as anyone but you have to be out of your mind to think that Cole Beasley and John Brown are on the same level as Allen Robinson and Taylor Gabriel. But, yes, both off-seasons involved signing 2 WRs. Really? Brown had a 1000 yard receiving season and another 2 years(one last year) with more yards than Gabriel has ever had in his career. His best year was last year in Chicago with 688 yards. Brown also has scored 22 TDs in his career to Gabriel's 10. Brown also averages 2.5 more yards a catch than Gabriel over his career. Maybe you should actually know something about the players before making statements that make you look like you are clueless? Edited March 12, 2019 by matter2003 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessAccepted Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Logic said: Agreed. Been saying since LAST season started that this was the model they would follow. Year 1, build a defense. Year 2, identify a QB Year 3, build around QB Agreed. Much better than the previous plan Hire a Head Coach Change the defensive scheme that our top ranked D was built for. Hire the Head Coach's brother that's been fired everywhere else ..... I have to say it's so great to be a Bills fan in the Beane/McD era after all the years of horrible decisions and coaching. 18 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: But we acquired Sammy to make EJ better, just like we're doing now with these guys and Allen. Ya'll are blind if you don't see its the exact same thing Yep it's all of us, couldn't possibly be just you ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 22 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: But we acquired Sammy to make EJ better, just like we're doing now with these guys and Allen. Ya'll are blind if you don't see its the exact same thing Its the same idea, I just like the way we are going about it this time around. Instead of trading 2 firsts for a rookie and WAY over paying for a TE we are signing proven vets to reasonable deals. IMO thats a more prudent approach, especially with an unproven QB. No sense in going completely all in, mortaging your future if the QB doesnt have it. If Allen is the guy he will show it with Brown, Beasely & Foster. 21 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: If Allen is a good qb. And Tyrod looked the best with Sammy. And was it worth trading 2 firsts for a WR so we could find out that Tyrod wasnt the guy? No, not in my opinion. Id much rather invest in the offense with sensible deals that dont handcuff our future. but thats just me Edited March 12, 2019 by jletha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsVet Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Logic said: Agreed. Been saying since LAST season started that this was the model they would follow. Year 1, build a defense. Year 2, identify a QB Year 3, build around QB Getting the QB first and building an offense should have been priority 1 in 2017. Instead, McCoach built a secondary and passed on 2 good QB prospects. The signings today are a step in the right direction, although I'd make the case offense should have been a priority 2 years ago. Teams can't maintain top defenses for more than 3-4 years at a time. But you can maintain a solid offense by getting the QB, skill types, and blockers to score more than 16 ppg. Edited March 12, 2019 by BillsVet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicken Boo Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, fridge said: I don't really understand the hype on these WR moves, especially the undue credit being handed to Beane. We could have simply kept Goodwin and Woods for similar terms/money as the money we just gave these two guys who don't have the careers those had. This team will continue to fake fans out by the whole two steps back, one step ahead. You're not wrong but I really feel that Marquise needed a change of scenery. Not sure he would be as successful here as he currently is in San Fran. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 15 minutes ago, jletha said: Its the same idea, I just like the way we are going about it this time around. Instead of trading 2 firsts for a rookie and WAY over paying for a TE we are signing proven vets to reasonable deals. IMO thats a more prudent approach, especially with an unproven QB. No sense in going completely all in, mortaging your future if the QB doesnt have it. If Allen is the guy he will show it with Brown, Beasely & Foster. And was it worth trading 2 firsts for a WR so we could find out that Tyrod wasnt the guy? No, not in my opinion. Id much rather invest in the offense with sensible deals that dont handcuff our future. but thats just me Interesting take. I don't look at Kroft as a proven vet, he has 661 career yards in 4 seasons. Compared to a guy like Clay, who had 1300 yards the two seasons before he joined the Bills, I don't think we got the more proven guy this time around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: Interesting take. I don't look at Kroft as a proven vet, he has 661 career yards in 4 seasons. Compared to a guy like Clay, who had 1300 yards the two seasons before he joined the Bills, I don't think we got the more proven guy this time around. To me Kroft is one of those "high upside" guys instead of proven vet For instance.....compared to Croom Kroft has the physical ability to give you so much more.......he is a soft hands catcher.....but he can actually block. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jletha Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, BringBackOrton said: Interesting take. I don't look at Kroft as a proven vet, he has 661 career yards in 4 seasons. Compared to a guy like Clay, who had 1300 yards the two seasons before he joined the Bills, I don't think we got the more proven guy this time around. Agreed, I dont love the Kroft deal and I really liked the Clay signing at the time but everyone knew we WAY overpaid. I dont think we significantly overpaid for Kroft looking at the contract structure. But John Brown and Beasely are proven entities that can find space and catch the ball. Certainly more proven than any rookie WR, which Sammy was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddyjj Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 hour ago, whatdrought said: Give Me Daryl Williams, TJ Hockenson in the first, and JAWs or Sills later in the draft and it's not bad at all. Based on signing Ty Nsekhe, now see it as this: QB - Josh AllenRB - LeSean McCoyWR - Zay Jones/Robert FosterWR - John BrownSlot WR - Cole BeasleyTE - Tyler KroftLT - Ty NsekheLG - Wyatt TellerC - Mitch MorseRG - Spencer LongRT - Dion Dawkins Makes sense to put a more natural LT (with much longer wingspan) on Josh's blindside. Can see OBD taking a Dillard or mcCary in Rd 2 or 3 and playing Nsekhe next year. Putting Dawkins on Right side helps in Run game where his mobility will help on pulls, counters and traps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 (edited) 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: To me Kroft is one of those "high upside" guys instead of proven vet For instance.....compared to Croom Kroft has the physical ability to give you so much more.......he is a soft hands catcher.....but he can actually block. He's a backup/depth guy that we're hoping can be a starter. Suffice it to say, he hasn't really impressed. Croom is a tomato can, so he ***** better be better than Croom. Edited March 12, 2019 by BringBackOrton Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: To me Kroft is one of those "high upside" guys instead of proven vet For instance.....compared to Croom Kroft has the physical ability to give you so much more.......he is a soft hands catcher.....but he can actually block. Soft hands catcher? In 2017 his only productive season he dropped 10 percent of his passes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BringBackOrton Posted March 12, 2019 Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, jletha said: Agreed, I dont love the Kroft deal and I really liked the Clay signing at the time but everyone knew we WAY overpaid. I dont think we significantly overpaid for Kroft looking at the contract structure. But John Brown and Beasely are proven entities that can find space and catch the ball. Certainly more proven than any rookie WR, which Sammy was. I don't understand the fear of "overpaying." Isn't that why we sucked last year? To not worry about the cap so much? The Clay contract on its face was fine. We walked away when he sucked. He was the best TE on the market and was solid for most of his deal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 12, 2019 Author Share Posted March 12, 2019 1 minute ago, BringBackOrton said: He's a backup/depth guy that we're hoping can be a starter. Suffice it to say, he hasn't really impressed. Croom is a tomato can, so he ***** better be better than Croom. The last TE we brought in that was a backup to a starter.....he did pretty well for us. I think Hock in the draft is a real possibiltiy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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