CEN-CAL17 Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 8. Hockenson? Little early but he’s my pick. Trade down with Washington and grab him at 15. 27 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: OJ Howard went in that vicinity a couple years ago I thought OJ went 19. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 hours ago, HappyDays said: I actually like Taylor better than Williams. But I still think that's a bit of a reach. I still think our best bet is trade down to the teens with a team that needs a QB. If we take Taylor at 15 I would accept that. Biggest surprise in this mock is Josh Jacobs at 5. I think he will go higher than most people expect though. The trade down strategy is tough to execute because there are so many teams that have the same desire to do the same. What makes it even more difficult this year compared to last year is that this draft doesn't have the same amount of highly rated qbs. For some teams that want a qb they can stand pat and still get the one they prefer. I would not mind trading down and getting an offensive lineman. Many people here prefer procuring offensive linemen through free agency. But the problem is that of the available players there will be a lot of buyers competing for their services. And it wouldn't be surprising some of the more appealing players stay with the team they are already on. I would love to come out of this draft or even free agency with a tough inside runner to get the ground game going. I just don't see McCoy's dancing style of running trying to find a hole being effective with our OL. On the other hand I would like to see him more involved in the passing game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 There are no consensus top 10 offensive linemen. Daniel Jeremiah is not alone in rating Jawaasn Taylor as the top one. Supposedly he's got good feet despite having a projected 40 time a little slower than the guys that are more popular (Jonah Williams and Greg Little. He doesn't have ideal tackle height (only 6'5" and not 6'6" or 6'7") He is massive though. Kind of reminds me of Cordy Glenn coming out of college. Who's to say if Daniel Jeremiah is not right? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
N.Y. Orangeman Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 No tennis ball will ever make it past Jawaan Taylor...ever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, DCOrange said: No and no. The earliest I've seen Jacobs mocked before this is in the mid 20's. Hockenson definitely has some fans but for the most part, he usually goes in like the 25-40 range. For what it's worth, I think Charlie Campbell had Taylor going #5 in his latest mock. Him being in the top 10 is an outlier opinion right now but it's not really crazy. It’s early though. The first round will change a lot over the next couple months. Jeremiah is a good analyst, he might just be ahead of the curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: 8. Hockenson? Little early but he’s my pick. Trade down with Washington and grab him at 15. OJ went 19. He seems like a very safe pick. We have never had a TE with his talent level. I like the round 2 OTs as much as the round one OTs. If we could trade down and acquire an additional 2nd and Hockenson that would be the ideal draft. Hockenson round 1, Cajuste round 2, and the Stanford WR in round 2 would be a perfect draft. Edited January 19, 2019 by billspro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 11 minutes ago, billspro said: He seems like a very safe pick. We have never had a TE with his talent level. I like the round 2 OTs as much as the round one OTs. If we could trade down and acquire an additional 2nd and Hockenson that would be the ideal draft. Hockenson round 1, Cajuste round 2, and the Stanford WR in round 2 would be a perfect draft. A talented TE would be a great fit for this offense and Josh Allen. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 These mocks are all over the place.... way too early. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Wow, this guy is a tough runner and the cuts he makes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 Works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, JohnC said: The trade down strategy is tough to execute because there are so many teams that have the same desire to do the same. What makes it even more difficult this year compared to last year is that this draft doesn't have the same amount of highly rated qbs. This QB class sort of reminds me of 2017. There is no consensus top QB but there will probably be 3 taken in the first 15 picks. If any team could trade down with a QB needy team it would be us. It's unlikely anyone will jump the Giants with this particular class, and Denver picking at 10 may go for a QB. So we are in a perfect spot for trade ups. I could see us trading down with Washington, LA Chargers, Bengals, or Titans. Or maybe we just trade 1 spot with Denver like the Bears did to get Trubisky in 2017. Even better if multiple teams are competing for our pick. As with anything else this is dependent on teams actually wanting one of the remaining QBs when we pick, but assuming 2 are gone to NY and Jacksonville there may be a run to get a viable QB prospect before the top guys are gone. If we do not trade down I'll be surprised if our pick isn't anything but d-line. This is being called the best d-line class in a long time, which means players that would normally go top 5 will still be available at pick 9. Beane will stick to BPA so if he sees a top 5 d-line player available he isn't going to pass him up. Luckily for us most of these top players are pass rushers which is a big need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 hours ago, JohnC said: The trade down strategy is tough to execute because there are so many teams that have the same desire to do the same. What makes it even more difficult this year compared to last year is that this draft doesn't have the same amount of highly rated qbs. For some teams that want a qb they can stand pat and still get the one they prefer. I would not mind trading down and getting an offensive lineman. Many people here prefer procuring offensive linemen through free agency. But the problem is that of the available players there will be a lot of buyers competing for their services. And it wouldn't be surprising some of the more appealing players stay with the team they are already on. I would love to come out of this draft or even free agency with a tough inside runner to get the ground game going. I just don't see McCoy's dancing style of running trying to find a hole being effective with our OL. On the other hand I would like to see him more involved in the passing game. Our offensive line won't be the same line though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 7 minutes ago, purple haze said: Our offensive line won't be the same line though. Let us pray! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 It’s one of the worst mocks I’ve ever seen lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 With Mayock stepping out of the ring, Jeremiah is, in my opinion, the best draft analyst. Check out his podcast. If you can manage to stomach Bucky Brooks (who is growing on me a bit) you’ll love it. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 hours ago, whatdrought said: With Mayock stepping out of the ring, Jeremiah is, in my opinion, the best draft analyst. Check out his podcast. If you can manage to stomach Bucky Brooks (who is growing on me a bit) you’ll love it. I don't know if Bucky's mock draft is independent from Jeremiahs' but he has us taking the same player, Jawaan Taylor OT 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 5 hours ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: It’s one of the worst mocks I’ve ever seen lol Jeremiah has better credentials than almost any other mock drafter you'll see on the internet, having been an NFL scout. At this point, it is fair to say he's unconventional, but until the draft happens and you can go back and grade his picks, it's probably premature to call it one of the worst. What I don't like are mock drafters who fail to do their homework on what is actually going on with teams. They make their picks with very shallow understandings of the state of teams, and sometimes complete misconceptions. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 1 hour ago, TigerJ said: Jeremiah has better credentials than almost any other mock drafter you'll see on the internet, having been an NFL scout. At this point, it is fair to say he's unconventional, but until the draft happens and you can go back and grade his picks, it's probably premature to call it one of the worst. What I don't like are mock drafters who fail to do their homework on what is actually going on with teams. They make their picks with very shallow understandings of the state of teams, and sometimes complete misconceptions. I like DJ. He’s one of the best in the game but this is a bad, bad mock. Not that it matters. We’re going to get 327483 more before the Draft comes. Joshua Jacobs and TJ Hockenson in the Top 10 is just flat out crazy. Again not that it matters. None of these things do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 13 hours ago, matter2003 said: They will...these mock drafts are just stupid at this point of the year..literally meaningless Why are they stupid? What do you want these people to speculate about in January? There’s not much else going on this weekend for fans of the other 28 teams. I’d rather look at a Mock Draft than read about Tommy Boys dietary practices. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldTimeAFLGuy Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said: Why are they stupid? What do you want these people to speculate about in January? There’s not much else going on this weekend for fans of the other 28 teams. I’d rather look at a Mock Draft than read about Tommy Boys dietary practices. ...EXACTLY....I'd bet McBeane already has sketched 147 mock drafts so far...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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JohnC Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 8 hours ago, purple haze said: Our offensive line won't be the same line though. Even with a reconstituted line I would like to have a hard between the tackles once cut runner (young Ivory). That's not a running style that McCoy is best suited for. I rather get two hard yards in a tight seam than a five yard loss with him scampering around looking for a cease that doesn't exist. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnC Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 9 hours ago, HappyDays said: This QB class sort of reminds me of 2017. There is no consensus top QB but there will probably be 3 taken in the first 15 picks. If any team could trade down with a QB needy team it would be us. It's unlikely anyone will jump the Giants with this particular class, and Denver picking at 10 may go for a QB. So we are in a perfect spot for trade ups. I could see us trading down with Washington, LA Chargers, Bengals, or Titans. Or maybe we just trade 1 spot with Denver like the Bears did to get Trubisky in 2017. Even better if multiple teams are competing for our pick. As with anything else this is dependent on teams actually wanting one of the remaining QBs when we pick, but assuming 2 are gone to NY and Jacksonville there may be a run to get a viable QB prospect before the top guys are gone. If we do not trade down I'll be surprised if our pick isn't anything but d-line. This is being called the best d-line class in a long time, which means players that would normally go top 5 will still be available at pick 9. Beane will stick to BPA so if he sees a top 5 d-line player available he isn't going to pass him up. Luckily for us most of these top players are pass rushers which is a big need. In your response you didn't mention that there will be free agent qbs added to the mix for qb needy teams to acquire. Foles, Flacco and I believe Bridgewater will be on the market. It doesn't make much sense for a team such as Jacksonville to use a first round pick on a qb instead of getting an experienced qb from the market because they have a roster when healthy that is ready to compete. I agree with you that the betting line should lean toward the Bills drafting one of the enticing D-linemen because of the inclinations of our HC. Although I have preferences as to how the Bills should approach this draft if the Bills don't get too fancy and out-smart themselves and select talent commensurate to where they are drafted I will be more than happy. The Bills are entering their third draft under McDermott. In my opinion they are not far off from attaining the critical mass of players to rebuild/rework the roster that was inherited. Getting the qb sooner in the tenure of this new regime certainly allows for greater flexibility when making personnel decisions. You mentioned that the Bills could end up trading down with Tennessee. That leaves me very perplexed. I know the often injured Mariotta hasn't lived up to expectations but I just don't see them moving away from him just yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 16 hours ago, CaptnCoke11 said: So.. Do we hate Daniel Jeremiah now? Hard to hate someone you have never heard of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted January 19, 2019 Share Posted January 19, 2019 If the Bills can get an OT, RG, and C in Free Agency and re-signing Jordan Phillips, would you be opposed to them taking Hakeem Butler (WR) at 9, and then trading back into the 1st for Jacobs (RB) or Hockenson (TE)? They all seem to be guys that could help improve the O. The defensive draft is deep on D, so that could get quality D prosepects later in the draft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 22, 2019 Author Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) He has Taylor 13th RANK 13 Jawaan Taylor, OT School: Florida | Year: Junior Taylor lined up at right tackle for the Gators. He has average height and a broad frame for the position. In the passing game, he has the foot quickness to cover up speed rushers and the athleticism to redirect versus counter moves. He has a bad habit of scooping instead of punching, which allows defenders to get into his chest. However, he is still sturdy versus power rushers despite giving up his chest. In the run game, he has tremendous upper-body strength to torque and toss defenders. He's nasty. Some teams will prefer his power inside at the guard position, but I see him as a quality starting right tackle. Andre Dillard is only OL ranked above him, at 12 Edited January 22, 2019 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted January 22, 2019 Share Posted January 22, 2019 (edited) From https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/nfl-draft-2019-prospects-at-each-position-who-improved-their-stock-the-most-this-season/ Quote Jawaan Taylor, Florida Montez Ivy was the Florida offensive line prospect to watch this season -- heck, that was the case a year ago too -- but Taylor's dominance on the right side in 2018 has made him the hotter commodity. The 6-5, 328-pound junior is what I'd classify as a "power blocker," but he showcased smooth footwork and centered balance all season for the Gators. He almost looks like a talented power forward in basketball on the edge. Check his battle against Kentucky's Josh Allen from early in the 2018 season. Heavyweight bout. Taylor can lose the inside on occasion but is a brick wall against any type of bull-rush attempt, and his feet make him extraordinarily difficult to beat to the outside. He's heavy-handed too. He sounds like could be a good RT or OG which we need help with. Edited January 22, 2019 by The Jokeman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted January 28, 2019 Author Share Posted January 28, 2019 https://twitter.com/draftnetworkllc/status/1089754693650112513?s=21 There's a whole lot of hype surrounding Florida OT Jawaan Taylor right now. It's legit. #NFLDraft https://thedraftnetwork.com/2019/01/27/hype-surrounding-florida-ot-jawaan-taylor-is-real/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan_34 Posted January 28, 2019 Share Posted January 28, 2019 Stud OL who is versatile sounds just about right to me. I would like it more if we swapped with the skins and he was still there at 15. In the Second we get TE and WR - of course BPA trumps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TigerJ Posted February 28, 2019 Share Posted February 28, 2019 I think the Bills have talked to EVERY offensive lineman LOL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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TPS Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 I've seen him taken before the Bills' pick in several mocks, best being #5 to Tampa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2019 Author Share Posted March 2, 2019 13 minutes ago, TPS said: I've seen him taken before the Bills' pick in several mocks, best being #5 to Tampa. He’s been probably the most frequently mocked player to the Bills from what I’ve seen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 On 1/18/2019 at 5:58 PM, Rico said: I do not want the Jets taking the other Josh Allen. That’s ok we got the right Josh !!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted March 2, 2019 Author Share Posted March 2, 2019 Just now, Putin said: That’s ok we got the right Josh !!! Our JA will hurdle their JA 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 As a 30 year die hard FSU fan I hate the Gators, but I believe Jawaan Taylor is the best T in the draft 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 19 minutes ago, Putin said: As a 30 year die hard FSU fan I hate the Gators, but I believe Jawaan Taylor is the best T in the draft I think I am all in on Jawaan Taylor for the draft. He has a good chance to be an all pro RT. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: He’s been probably the most frequently mocked player to the Bills from what I’ve seen The only one I don't want to see who has been mocked often is Metcalf. I'd prefer Hockenson before any of the WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted March 2, 2019 Share Posted March 2, 2019 8 minutes ago, billspro said: I think I am all in on Jawaan Taylor for the draft. He has a good chance to be an all pro RT. I believe that as well , he will be a pro bowler for many years , I think if we sign at least one starting caliber OL in the free agency we might go DL at 9 ( if we don’t trade down ) i think 2nd round we take OL and will move up to grab a WR , I think the value and the need is there , there were few games last year were we couldn’t stop the run ( Jacksonville being of them ) when we all knew it’s coming and we couldn’t do anything , I know offense needs to be our main priority BUT cant win many games if you can’t stop the run , of course it all depends what happens in the free agency but just like the WR position DL will have to be addressed in the draft as well , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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