CEN-CAL17 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 https://www.google.com/amp/www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/292403/our-picks-for-rookies-of-the-year-and-the-leagues-all-rookie-team%3fplatform=amp 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 10 minutes ago, 1ZAYDAY1 said: https://www.google.com/amp/www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/292403/our-picks-for-rookies-of-the-year-and-the-leagues-all-rookie-team%3fplatform=amp Once again the Top rated Rookie CB is overlooked. At least Foster got mentioned. Probably because he should have made the team. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cle23 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, formerlyofCtown said: Once again the Top rated Rookie CB is overlooked. At least Foster got mentioned. Probably because he should have made the team. The top rated CB by 1 service. He had s great year, but Cleveland wouldn't trade Ward for him. Carolina wouldn't trade Jackson for him. I always wonder if they factor in WHO the CB is covering. Edited January 17, 2019 by cle23 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BfloBillsFan Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 I don't see how Darnold can get the nod ahead of Allen. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 9 minutes ago, BfloBillsFan said: I don't see how Darnold can get the nod ahead of Allen. Because he had better numbers? It’s simple really. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVilanch Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 42 minutes ago, BfloBillsFan said: I don't see how Darnold can get the nod ahead of Allen. Better numbers, bigger market, bigger name recognition (USC, NYJ) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Lamar Jackson over Josh Allen though? Thats ESPN for you. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formerlyofCtown Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 7 hours ago, cle23 said: The top rated CB by 1 service. He had s great year, but Cleveland wouldn't trade Ward for him. Carolina wouldn't trade Jackson for him. I always wonder if they factor in WHO the CB is covering. Thats a good point. Its also probably amount of games played and INTs. I remember Winfield never got the respect he deserved. But in truth its the fact he plays in Buffalo, Jarius Byrd and Kiko should have both been DROY. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Foster really only played a prominent starting role in seven games and put up 27 receptions, 541 yards, and 3 TD's. He put more yards up in one season with the Bills than three with Alabama. It boggles my mind that he wasn't more productive at Alabama or why he didn't transfer schools. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 7 hours ago, Rigotz said: Lamar Jackson over Josh Allen though? Thats ESPN for you. Jackson had better passing numbers and helped his team go 6-1 while making the playoffs. 59 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Foster really only played a prominent starting role in seven games and put up 27 receptions, 541 yards, and 3 TD's. He put more yards up in one season with the Bills than three with Alabama. It boggles my mind that he wasn't more productive at Alabama or why he didn't transfer schools. Yeah, I still don’t fully believe in him (the Bills didn’t either since they cut him) but good for him for improving through the year. Hopefully, he will be a 3rd or 4th option as we improve the receiving core. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 hour ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Jackson had better passing numbers and helped his team go 6-1 while making the playoffs. Actually he didn’t have better numbers and record is a team statistic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 21 minutes ago, Doc said: Actually he didn’t have better numbers and record is a team statistic. 58% > 52%, 84.5 QB rating > 67.9. 2:1 td:int > 5:6 td:int dude, if things were reversed, we lose our minds if Jackson was “picked” ahead of Allen. This ultimately means nothing but if you did a poll of every non Bills homer, they would say Jackson had a better rookie year. Doesn’t mean he will have the better career but it is what it is. Not worth getting “upset” one way or the other. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: 58% > 52%, 84.5 QB rating > 67.9. 2:1 td:int > 5:6 td:int dude, if things were reversed, we lose our minds if Jackson was “picked” ahead of Allen. This ultimately means nothing but if you did a poll of every non Bills homer, they would say Jackson had a better rookie year. Doesn’t mean he will have the better career but it is what it is. Not worth getting “upset” one way or the other. Dude, that’s the problem with merely looking at stats and if I were a non-homer looking at Jackson, I’d say he’s a carbon copy of TT. And these opinion pieces are nothing to get upset over. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 7 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: 58% > 52%, 84.5 QB rating > 67.9. 2:1 td:int > 5:6 td:int dude, if things were reversed, we lose our minds if Jackson was “picked” ahead of Allen. This ultimately means nothing but if you did a poll of every non Bills homer, they would say Jackson had a better rookie year. Doesn’t mean he will have the better career but it is what it is. Not worth getting “upset” one way or the other. allen had 18 tds to jackson 11, and had almost double the passing yards, i think with fewer games. i don't care about the list, but allen was more productive. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RiotAct Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 if these two were on the Colts, they’d have raised a banner for this accomplishment already! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, teef said: allen had 18 tds to jackson 11, and had almost double the passing yards, i think with fewer games. i don't care about the list, but allen was more productive. Jackson started 7 games while Allen started 11. imo, they are both at very similar levels at this point. i would bet on Allen having the better career because of his arm strength but it will be interesting. It’s seem like the Ravens are building their offense around Jackson. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Jackson started 7 games while Allen started 11. imo, they are both at very similar levels at this point. i would bet on Allen having the better career because of his arm strength but it will be interesting. It’s seem like the Ravens are building their offense around Jackson. i think allen will have a better career because he's more of a qb. they may very well both end up being lousy qbs, but i just don't understand how you can build an offense around jackon. what do i know though. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 13 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: 58% > 52%, 84.5 QB rating > 67.9. 2:1 td:int > 5:6 td:int dude, if things were reversed, we lose our minds if Jackson was “picked” ahead of Allen. This ultimately means nothing but if you did a poll of every non Bills homer, they would say Jackson had a better rookie year. Doesn’t mean he will have the better career but it is what it is. Not worth getting “upset” one way or the other. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said: its was a nice set up, wasn't it? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, teef said: its was a nice set up, wasn't it? Can you tie a cherry stem in your mouth? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 2 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Can you tie a cherry stem in your mouth? i can tie a garden hose in my mouth. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Yup. We would totally say Jackson had a better year than Allen if he completed 52% of his passes, for more tds than ints, had a 67 QBs rating, and a losing record. You guys are so objective! 4 minutes ago, teef said: i can tie a garden hose in my mouth. 12 minutes ago, teef said: i think allen will have a better career because he's more of a qb. they may very well both end up being lousy qbs, but i just don't understand how you can build an offense around jackon. what do i know though. Yeah, I would probably bet that too. Both will be gameplan we next year to stay in the pocket and bet teams with their arms. Allen has the better arm so I like his chances better. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Just now, C.Biscuit97 said: Yup. We would totally say Jackson had a better year than Allen if he completed 52% of his passes, for more tds than ints, had a 67 QBs rating, and a losing record. You guys are so objective! really? i have no idea why you try so hard to tear down players on the team you're a fan of. no reasonable fan would think jackson was more productive than allen. i've seen you do this regarding allen before. when allen was first on the team, you kept questioning why wyoming's record wasn't better with allen considering they had the 9th ranked defense. you kept quoting the 9th ranked defense. they weren't ranked 9th...they were ranked in the 20s. when asked where the 9 ranking came from, you simply looked up the best stat on wyoming's defense which was 9th, and stated it was their overall ranking. cherry picker galore. why bother? just be honest. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill from NYC Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 3 hours ago, Doc Brown said: Foster really only played a prominent starting role in seven games and put up 27 receptions, 541 yards, and 3 TD's. He put more yards up in one season with the Bills than three with Alabama. It boggles my mind that he wasn't more productive at Alabama or why he didn't transfer schools. Doc, there were much better players at skill positions when he was there, and Saban used to favor the running game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Bill from NYC said: Doc, there were much better players at skill positions when he was there, and Saban used to favor the running game. I also heard he had some injuries which pushed him down the depth chart. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, teef said: really? i have no idea why you try so hard to tear down players on the team you're a fan of. no reasonable fan would think jackson was more productive than allen. i've seen you do this regarding allen before. when allen was first on the team, you kept questioning why wyoming's record wasn't better with allen considering they had the 9th ranked defense. you kept quoting the 9th ranked defense. they weren't ranked 9th...they were ranked in the 20s. when asked where the 9 ranking came from, you simply looked up the best stat on wyoming's defense which was 9th, and stated it was their overall ranking. cherry picker galore. why bother? just be honest. that member is pretty notable for pissing on the parade around here. cuddles up to other teams players and degrades those of the team it is supposedly a fan of. there's a few around this joint like that. but it's all in the stats, LOL 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 16 minutes ago, teef said: really? i have no idea why you try so hard to tear down players on the team you're a fan of. no reasonable fan would think jackson was more productive than allen. i've seen you do this regarding allen before. when allen was first on the team, you kept questioning why wyoming's record wasn't better with allen considering they had the 9th ranked defense. you kept quoting the 9th ranked defense. they weren't ranked 9th...they were ranked in the 20s. when asked where the 9 ranking came from, you simply looked up the best stat on wyoming's defense which was 9th, and stated it was their overall ranking. cherry picker galore. why bother? just be honest. Haha. I was called a homer. oMG! ESPN ranked a qb who helped his team get to the playoffs with a better qb rating and better td to int ratio higher than our qb who had a 67.9 qb rating. It’s a conspiracy and obviously ESPN just hates the Bills. I cant believe I have questions about a team that went 6-10. I’m a hater! 9 minutes ago, DaBillsFanSince1973 said: that member is pretty notable for pissing on the parade around here. cuddles up to other teams players and degrades those of the team it is supposedly a fan of. there's a few around this joint like that. but it's all in the stats, LOL Who are you? Haha, I was called a homer for years here. Sorry, I didn’t love our 6-10 team this year. Stop being sensitive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FLFan Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 These lists are meaningless. When it comes to QB's, I am very happy we do not have Jackson. Time will tell on Darnold. Mayfield looks good. Rosen - meh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 11 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Haha. I was called a homer. oMG! ESPN ranked a qb who helped his team get to the playoffs with a better qb rating and better td to int ratio higher than our qb who had a 67.9 qb rating. It’s a conspiracy and obviously ESPN just hates the Bills. i don't care about the list in the least as i already said. i also don't think you're a hater. i do think you go a bit out of your way to be critical of the bills, and you cherry pick stats to prove a point. not a big deal, but people are smart enough to figure it out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 30 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Yup. We would totally say Jackson had a better year than Allen if he completed 52% of his passes, for more tds than ints, had a 67 QBs rating, and a losing record. You guys are so objective! Yeah, I would probably bet that too. Both will be gameplan we next year to stay in the pocket and bet teams with their arms. Allen has the better arm so I like his chances better. I'm trying to figure out why you're so headstrong about this? This is a subjective topic. You want to criticize the player and the fan base and while box score scouting. It's like you're determined to make anything about Allen vs Jackson pro Jackson. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I'm trying to figure out why you're so headstrong about this? This is a subjective topic. You want to criticize the player and the fan base and while box score scouting. It's like you're determined to make anything about Allen vs Jackson pro Jackson. I bet he’s the type of guy to throw out the first pitch from halfway between the bump and home plate. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 20 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Haha. I was called a homer. oMG! ESPN ranked a qb who helped his team get to the playoffs with a better qb rating and better td to int ratio higher than our qb who had a 67.9 qb rating. It’s a conspiracy and obviously ESPN just hates the Bills. I cant believe I have questions about a team that went 6-10. I’m a hater! Who are you? Haha, I was called a homer for years here. Sorry, I didn’t love our 6-10 team this year. Stop being sensitive. don't credit yourself man. I'm far from sensitive. I was just pointing out the obvious. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 59 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Can you tie a cherry stem in your mouth? Bow or Windosr? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 15 minutes ago, Jay_Fixit said: I bet he’s the type of guy to throw out the first pitch from halfway between the bump and home plate. He's also probably the guy who slides head first at first base. 7 minutes ago, dollars 2 donuts said: Bow or Windosr? Double Windsor. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 Like I said, if the Bills had Jackson, I’d be saying they drafted TT v2.0. I would love for Josh to have (had) Jackson’s offensive personnel around him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, teef said: i don't care about the list in the least as i already said. i also don't think you're a hater. i do think you go a bit out of your way to be critical of the bills, and you cherry pick stats to prove a point. not a big deal, but people are smart enough to figure it out. I've been lurking more than anything else lately.... doesn't it seem like he recently really put it into overdrive after allens strong finish? allen finishes out his 6 games showing progression and basically as a one man team and instead of optimism about said progress, he really kicks it into another gear he doubles down on the criticism..... whats up with that?? Edited January 17, 2019 by Stank_Nasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stank_Nasty Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc said: Like I said, if the Bills had Jackson, I’d be saying they drafted TT v2.0. I would love for Josh to have (had) Jackson’s offensive personnel around him. heck he went 5-6 with this team.... can you imagine what he would have done with that run game, guys like brown and crabtree outside, and the #1 scoring D behind him? Brown was having a nice year and the turn to Jackson basically rendered his game obsolete. Edited January 17, 2019 by Stank_Nasty 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 28 minutes ago, Stank_Nasty said: I've been lurking more than anything else lately.... doesn't it seem like he recently really put it into overdrive after allens strong finish? allen finishes out his 6 games showing progression and basically as a one man team and instead of optimism about said progress, he really kicks it into another gear he doubles down on the criticism..... whats up with that?? i honestly don't know. i'm not completely sold on allen yet either, but he did a lot of good after the return from injury. there's not need to over embellish his success, but there's no reason to twist it into a negative either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctk232 Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 (edited) 1 hour ago, Doc said: Like I said, if the Bills had Jackson, I’d be saying they drafted TT v2.0. I would love for Josh to have (had) Jackson’s offensive personnel around him. Came here to read about Foster and Edmunds, wound up reading a Jackson v. Allen debate...but there ya go^ Jackson's entire game is predicated on the RPO and being a successful runner. Chargers were able to minimize this impact and forced him to be more one-dimensional in their second meeting. Credit where credit is due, the offensive scheme and approach by the Ravens with Jackson maximized his strengths and built upon his RPO scheme familiarity. Whether he can develop beyond that scheme, the offensive personnel is retained, and whether or not he succeeds in the NFL as a QB is entirely dependent on his performance next year. Unless they are able to evolve the scheme, it's likely that defenses will be able to effectively counter the Raven's RPO once enough tape is there. Many will attempt to replicate the Chargers' playoff model at first. While I don't say this in attempt to discredit Jackson (as he was the only rookie QB to make the playoffs), I question how much of it was Jackson vs. the rest of the team, and not having any real tape to study the scheme and player until the Chargers playoff meeting. That being said, I do think the Ravens had a better chance of winning that game with Flacco - even though I'm not a Flacco guy, still felt he gave them the best chance to win there. Edited January 17, 2019 by ctk232 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da webster guy Posted January 17, 2019 Share Posted January 17, 2019 The fact that we desperately needed help at LB and WR and we have two very promising ones getting league-wide attention is enough for me man. Foster was a stroke of genius by Daboll. I think the kid has to have an all time record having more receiving yards in his NFL rookie season than all of his college yards combined. Too lazy to look it up but it's damn close I know that. I also know if you take the kids stats from week 10 on and look at what it would have been over a full 16 games, it's ELITE production. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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