The Trump Shutdown

[njbuff]

7 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

But scapegoating immigrants doesn't disgust you? Immigrants commit less crime than Native born residents. Maybe the Democrats should invite the Trump supporter that sent bombs to people through the mail, to, you know, show what criminals Trump supporters are. Eat sh it 

 

You are beyond stupid. You just don't get it or you simply don't want to get it. Typical Democrat.

[Hedge]

47 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

The problem is, no one takes the time to do that. Especially if you've (the general "you" not specific you) already decided that Trump is Satan and Hitler's off spring. 

 

I wonder what poor baker was forced to bake the cake for that union.

[plenzmd1]

@Foxx , thank you for posting those videos. I see the one was a Breitbart youtube..not saying accurate or not as I have to run and I have not watched, but I wanted to acknowledge the post!

[Foxx]

9 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:

@Foxx , thank you for posting those videos. I see the one was a Breitbart youtube..not saying accurate or not as I have to run and I have not watched, but I wanted to acknowledge the post!

apologies for the Breibart one, but it was video of the angelmoms, shooting the messenger is not always the best approach.

 

here is one to replace the Breitbart video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IvlJecisWM

 

Edited February 1, 2019 by Foxx

[keepthefaith]

38 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

But scapegoating immigrants doesn't disgust you? Immigrants commit less crime than Native born residents. Maybe the Democrats should invite the Trump supporter that sent bombs to people through the mail, to, you know, show what criminals Trump supporters are. Eat sh it 

 

You can find research supporting both sides of the argument regarding crimes committed by ILLEGAL immigrants.  For sure though, 100% of crimes committed by illegal immigrants in this country were avoidable, and crimes committed by illegal immigrants often victimize Americans and cost taxpayers A LOT of money and that expense is also avoidable.

 

Citizens don't want to experience crimes by people who should not be here and they also don't want to pay the bill that comes with it.

[boyst]

1 hour ago, Rob's House said:

I'm not holding Breitbart up as an unvarnished bastian of objective truth, and even noted that they have a clear bias, but I don't see any evidence of them reporting blatant falsehoods or being less reliable than most other "news" outlets.

 

Ironically, the article you linked is fake news. All I had to do was read it & the cited articles to see that. The only objective facts alleged were that Bannon pushed for heavy coverage of Roy Moore and said the msm was trying to tank Trump. Everything else was conjecture and there were no quotes or citations to support the headline.

 

Interestingly, all the cited articles were from CNN.

 

@Deranged Rhino and you both are wasting your time 

[Tiberius]

3 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

You can find research supporting both sides of the argument regarding crimes committed by ILLEGAL immigrants.  For sure though, 100% of crimes committed by illegal immigrants in this country were avoidable, and crimes committed by illegal immigrants often victimize Americans and cost taxpayers A LOT of money and that expense is also avoidable.

 

Citizens don't want to experience crimes by people who should not be here and they also don't want to pay the bill that comes with it.

Actually people just don't want crime, no matter who commits it, singling out one group as being the problem is wrong and it is scapegoating which is hateful and dangerous. And if truely reducing crime was a Conservative goal, then I'm sure we would see more support for social services for the needy and mentally ill, for better and more well funded agencies to care for children neglected and mistreated and more youth services and trainings to get to the young people that don't have strong connections to any community. Join us in building a better society, not walks. You think China is wasting money on walls these days? 

54 minutes ago, Foxx said:

you are completely and entirely off your rocker, Tibs.

 

what in the *****ity ***** does the rate at which Americans commit crimes have to do with the rate of crimes committed by people who have absolutely no legal right to be in this country in the first place?

 

has your mind atrophied that much from the progressive poisoning?

The point is, crime because of immigrants isn't the biggest problem we face at all. Isn't illegal immigrantion way down anyway? 

[keepthefaith]

16 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

And if truely reducing crime was a Conservative goal, then I'm sure we would see more support for social services for the needy and mentally ill

 

 

Please define "mentally ill"

[/dev/null]

11 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Please define "mentally ill"

Not voting for Democrats

[row_33]

40 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Please define "mentally ill"

 

Tiberius

 

That was easy

[DC Tom]

2 hours ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Please define "mentally ill"

 

Eligible for abortion after birth.

[row_33]

Just now, DC Tom said:

 

Eligible for abortion after birth.

 

The polls suggest this truth isn’t good so we choose to muddle it in weasel words

 

 

[DC Tom]

1 minute ago, row_33 said:

 

The polls suggest this truth isn’t good so we choose to muddle it in weasel words

 

 

 

Sorry...

 

Eligible to remain comfortable while abortion after birth is discussed.

[row_33]

Just now, DC Tom said:

 

Sorry...

 

Eligible to remain comfortable while abortion after birth is discussed.

 

I accept that a lot of  people don’t care at all about anything but themselves

 

but many do have a conscience

[Doc Brown]

14 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Do you actually believe that? I'd like to see the polling question that ilicited that response. There's a difference between a 2000 mile 30' high concrete wall and 250 miles of strategically placed fencing to funnel border jumpers into better controlled areas.

 

Here's five national polls and the actual question.  All have similar results.

 

Do you favor or oppose building a wall along the US-Mexico border?  43% favor, 51% oppose.  Fox News poll 1/23/19

Do you support or oppose building a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico?  42 support, 54% oppose.  ABC News poll 1/13/19

Do you support or oppose building a wall along the border with Mexico?  41% support, 55% oppose.    Quinnipiac poll 1/29/19

Do you think building a wall is necessary to effectively secure the U.S–Mexico border from illegalimmigration,

or do you think the U.S.-Mexico border can be secured without building a wall?  37% - Wall is necessary. 61% - Border can be secure without a wall CBS News poll 1/23/19

 

Here's a comparison between 2006 and 2019.  Obviously, Independents were the only consistent respondents.  Wall Street Journal/NBC poll Jan. 20th

 

Edited February 2, 2019 by Doc Brown

[Q-baby!]

5 hours ago, keepthefaith said:

 

Please define "mentally ill"

Your President. 

[Buffalo_Gal]

9 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Here's five national polls and the actual question.  All have similar results.

 

Do you favor or oppose building a wall along the US-Mexico border?  43% favor, 51% oppose.  Fox News poll 1/23/19

Do you support or oppose building a wall along the U.S. border with Mexico?  42 support, 54% oppose.  ABC News poll 1/13/19

Do you support or oppose building a wall along the border with Mexico?  41% support, 55% oppose.    Quinnipiac poll 1/29/19

Do you think building a wall is necessary to effectively secure the U.S–Mexico border from illegalimmigration,

or do you think the U.S.-Mexico border can be secured without building a wall?  37% - Wall is necessary. 61% - Border can be secure without a wall CBS News poll 1/23/19

 

Here's a comparison between 2006 and 2019.  Obviously, Independents were the only consistent respondents.  Wall Street Journal/NBC poll Jan. 20th

 

I wonder what Trump's poll numbers would be with an even semi-honest press? 

Those "national polls" are interesting. 

The Fox poll was during the shutdown (Jan 20-22). The "top priority" for the wall grew 12%, but "quit/resign" grew 5% too. SMH.  They also asked if people were better off than a year prior, most were, but the country was worse off?!? (well, maybe due to the shutdown?) 24% Thought it was a good thing to move away from capitalism and toward socialism!? WTF were these 1000 people surveyed!?!?!

The ABC Poll was also done during the shutdown (Jan 8-11).  About half the people surveyed think the border is a crisis... among the people who do not want a wall, 48% see it as a serious problem. What in the world do they expect to hold back people from crossing into the United States illegally? Fairy dust and unicorns!? This poll has the shift for a wall at +11 for independents from one year prior.  788 people surveyed, 31% D, 26% R, 39% I. 

The CBS poll (also during the shutdown (Jan 18-21)) is really screwy... The answers make little sense.... the shutdown isn't worth wall funding, but the Democrats should give wall funding in the budget!? Weighted respondents 277 R (22%)  349 D, (31%), 476 I (43%)

The link to the  Quinnipiac poll did not work. 

I wonder if there is a way to get a better sample size? 1K people with Rs under-represented isn't going to give a great representation of the American public's views, especially with slanted push or pull questions. I know internal polls generally do a better job (less of a push or a pull), but no one ever seems to get that data except the person paying.
 

[row_33]

Conservatives have learned to not give their opinions unless it’s worth money or one is among friends

 

who blabs their mouth off to polls?

 

 

 

Is Hillary still 17 points ahead?

 

[Deranged Rhino]

Wisdom

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

The baiting going on is tremendous to see. 

 

He doesn't need to declare a national emergency to build the wall or get the funds. This is a trap, and the worst ones are falling for it hook line and sinker.

[Doc Brown]

6 hours ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

I wonder what Trump's poll numbers would be with an even semi-honest press? 

Those "national polls" are interesting. 

The Fox poll was during the shutdown (Jan 20-22). The "top priority" for the wall grew 12%, but "quit/resign" grew 5% too. SMH.  They also asked if people were better off than a year prior, most were, but the country was worse off?!? (well, maybe due to the shutdown?) 24% Thought it was a good thing to move away from capitalism and toward socialism!? WTF were these 1000 people surveyed!?!?!

The ABC Poll was also done during the shutdown (Jan 8-11).  About half the people surveyed think the border is a crisis... among the people who do not want a wall, 48% see it as a serious problem. What in the world do they expect to hold back people from crossing into the United States illegally? Fairy dust and unicorns!? This poll has the shift for a wall at +11 for independents from one year prior.  788 people surveyed, 31% D, 26% R, 39% I. 

The CBS poll (also during the shutdown (Jan 18-21)) is really screwy... The answers make little sense.... the shutdown isn't worth wall funding, but the Democrats should give wall funding in the budget!? Weighted respondents 277 R (22%)  349 D, (31%), 476 I (43%)

The link to the  Quinnipiac poll did not work. 

I wonder if there is a way to get a better sample size? 1K people with Rs under-represented isn't going to give a great representation of the American public's views, especially with slanted push or pull questions. I know internal polls generally do a better job (less of a push or a pull), but no one ever seems to get that data except the person paying.
 

You're going to get that breakdown with all polls as their are more reigstered Democrats than Republicans.  Fox News and the Wall Street Journal are the strongest polls and they have more Dems than Republicans.  Every one of these pollsters were within a couple points of accurately predicting the generic ballot that coincided with the midterm votes.  The 24% doesn't surprise me with the move from capitalism towards socialism with the economic inequality rhetoric we're seeing on the left

[plenzmd1]

National Emergency

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/purge-of-undocumented-workers-by-the-presidents-company-spreads-to-at-least-5-trump-golf-courses/2019/02/04/99454e4a-2690-11e9-ba08-caf4ff5a3433_story.html?utm_term=.1a905ea074e4

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

[Nanker]

On 2/1/2019 at 3:14 PM, Chef Jim said:

 

Would they be equipped with "laser beams"?

Dragons would be more effective. 

 

 

[Foxx]

[DC Tom]

38 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

Specifically, b(7)

 

"Construction of roads and fences and installation of lighting to block drug smuggling corridors across international boundaries of the United States."

 

Not a lot of ambiguity there.  

[GG]

1 minute ago, DC Tom said:

 

Specifically, b(7)

 

"Construction of roads and fences and installation of lighting to block drug smuggling corridors across international boundaries of the United States."

 

Not a lot of ambiguity there.  

 

Would love to see the solution to construct roads & fences across every international boundary of the United States

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Koko78]

1 minute ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

What changed?

[Deranged Rhino]

Just now, Koko78 said:

 

What changed?

 

I'm guessing they saw the poll numbers after the SOTU. 

[Koko78]

Just now, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I'm guessing they saw the poll numbers after the SOTU. 

 

Going to be interesting to see how she spins her earlier stance of the wall being immoral.

 

I'm guessing they're going to play the name game. It's not a wall, it's a barrier/fence/peaches.

[Buffalo_Gal]

9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Someone whispered in a group I follow that the DNC internal polls after the SOTU showed a much higher approval rating than the 70+% reported by abc, cbs, etc. Methinks that whisper must be correct if this is true. 

[Foxx]

11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

so... if indeed Trump gets his wall funding, does then the shutdown become Nancy's?

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[Buffalo_Gal]

12 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

SMH The Ds are screwed. The wall (barrier, whatever your preferred descriptive is) is being built with or without them. 

[Deranged Rhino]

5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Gal said:

SMH The Ds are screwed. The wall (barrier, whatever your preferred descriptive is) is being built with or without them. 

 

And not to be that guy, but I am that guy so I might as well: 

 

The DNC has known this whole time Trump can build the wall without Congress, and without an EO through the 10 USC 284 - which also could not be stopped with an injunction. Trump knows this as well and has for a long time. That makes me suspect 99% of this back and forth was cover for whatever they're really negotiating. 

 

 

[Foxx]

4 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

And not to be that guy, but I am that guy so I might as well: 

 

The DNC has known this whole time Trump can build the wall without Congress, and without an EO through the 10 USC 284 - which also could not be stopped with an injunction. Trump knows this as well and has for a long time. That makes me suspect 99% of this back and forth was cover for whatever they're really negotiating. 

 

 

to my way of thinking, he either wants it for re-election fodder and/or he wants them to be his little B words.

Edited February 7, 2019 by Foxx

[DC Tom]

11 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

And not to be that guy, but I am that guy so I might as well: 

 

The DNC has known this whole time Trump can build the wall without Congress, and without an EO through the 10 USC 284 - which also could not be stopped with an injunction. Trump knows this as well and has for a long time. That makes me suspect 99% of this back and forth was cover for whatever they're really negotiating. 

 

 

 

I don't think it's even that nefarious.  Trump just trolled them in to looking weak on borders security and admitting they prioritize illegal aliens over citizens.