Updated 2019 NFL draft order after Week 14: Bills draft 6th!!

[Chuck Wagon]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I think there is going to be a way for us to trade down and still get a quality OL or WR in the first round.......

 

I really think this is the way we should go. 

 

 

IMO we are in a position where blue chip prospects trump any "needs".  

[John from Riverside]

4 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

IMO we are in a position where blue chip prospects trump any "needs".  

The blue chip prospects are defensive players

 

Our defense is just fine.

 

 

[Rico]

16 hours ago, Your Brown Eye said:

 

PeterDude?

[Kirby Jackson]

16 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The blue chip prospects are defensive players

 

Our defense is just fine.

 

 

It doesn’t matter. If the Bills are picking in the top 5 it will almost certainly be a defensive player. That’s the talent that warrants a top 5 pick. If they fall closer to 10 it could be an offensive player. 

[Mat68]

15 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Best case scenario is we're aggressive this offseason like the Bears were last offseason where they signed Robinson, Gabriel, and Burton to help Trubisky.  They also bolstered their defense significantly by signing Mack and drafting Smith.  

That has to be the model.  Philly, LAR, and Chicago.  Buffalo has an above average and cheap defensive unit.  This offseason Buffalo has the money and potential to make runs at top FA.  Allen right now is an underground king.  Not getting national attention but he really is balling.  That paired with the new field house could be the cherry on top.  I would go hard at Bell, Lawrence, and who ever they deem the top OT, OG, and C.  Explore a trade for any pass catcher entering the last year of a deal.  

[Jerry Jabber]

43 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

The blue chip prospects are defensive players

 

Our defense is just fine.

 

 

Not necessarily. The Bills were unable to generate any pressure on Darnold/McCown this Sunday, so they could always upgrade the DE position. 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, Jerry Jabber said:

Not necessarily. The Bills were unable to generate any pressure on Darnold/McCown this Sunday, so they could always upgrade the DE position. 

At the expense of not upgrading and protecting our investment Josh Allen?

 

That should be priority number 1

[Kirby Jackson]

2 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

At the expense of not upgrading and protecting our investment Josh Allen?

 

That should be priority number 1

I think that everyone agrees that protecting Josh and getting Josh weapons are the 2 biggest needs. That doesn’t mean that you reach in the draft. Good teams never do that. The top tier of this draft is on the defensive side of the ball. Get the best player that you can. You have to draft to the value. They will plug some holes in FA to lend that flexibility. 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I think that everyone agrees that protecting Josh and getting Josh weapons are the 2 biggest needs. That doesn’t mean that you reach in the draft. Good teams never do that. The top tier of this draft is on the defensive side of the ball. Get the best player that you can. You have to draft to the value. They will plug some holes in FA to lend that flexibility. 

If they trade down and accumulate more picks they wont be reaching

 

I am not saying lets take a WR at 5....I am saying lets trade down and get an additional 2nd and THEN start looking at a OL or wide out.

 

We still get a 1st round talent at a needed position AND we get more at bats in the 2nd round on players

[Joeziehmer]

Still say we should draft Sam Mustipher in the second round.  If anything we now need a body to rotate in and out with defensive ends and tackle; I think Tolen Avery out of being an UDF is that guy or else take him in the seventh.  Kyle Williams and Trent Murphy would need that support if Kyle stays another year or we need Avery to step in and rotate in and out with whoever is picked up.  

[TheBeaneBandit]

17 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

At the expense of not upgrading and protecting our investment Josh Allen?

 

That should be priority number 1

I believe 2 Olinemen and a TE will be added in free agency John. One of the elite 3 techs or Josh Allen will be the pick unless there is a QB available that a team willing to come up and get. I believe they will spend to protect the investment. I could see a move up for a WR too with the 2nd round pick.

[Bing Bong]

12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

If they trade down and accumulate more picks they wont be reaching

 

I am not saying lets take a WR at 5....I am saying lets trade down and get an additional 2nd and THEN start looking at a OL or wide out.

 

 We still get a 1st round talent at a needed position AND we get more at bats in the 2nd round on players

If there's an elite WR to be had at the top I'm all for it. Otherwise trade down and down and down some more. Do like the Cowboys and get a Travis Frederick #32 overall

[MrEpsYtown]

A veteran offensive line is the best thing for Josh Allen, and our cap space makes it possible. Draft BPA for value and forget about plugging holes. 

[John from Riverside]

1 minute ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

I believe 2 Olinemen and a TE will be added in free agency John. One of the elite 3 techs or Josh Allen will be the pick unless there is a QB available that a team willing to come up and get. I believe they will spend to protect the investment. I could see a move up for a WR too with the 2nd round pick.

There are also free agent D linemen out there......

 

The DE from the Texans would be awesome

[TheBeaneBandit]

7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

There are also free agent D linemen out there......

 

The DE from the Texans would be awesome

Right on. Theres def different ways to do it lets just hope whatever they do do works lol!!!!

[Kirby Jackson]

35 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

If they trade down and accumulate more picks they wont be reaching

 

I am not saying lets take a WR at 5....I am saying lets trade down and get an additional 2nd and THEN start looking at a OL or wide out.

 

We still get a 1st round talent at a needed position AND we get more at bats in the 2nd round on players

Which is an option IF someone wants to come up to where we are picking. The only time that trade downs are feasible is when you are on the verge of dropping a tier in terms of players. Maybe if only one of Greedy Williams or Deandre Baker is left then it’s possible. I really don’t see any other possibilities. 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Which is an option IF someone wants to come up to where we are picking. The only time that trade downs are feasible is when you are on the verge of dropping a tier in terms of players. Maybe if only one of Greedy Williams or Deandre Baker is left then it’s possible. I really don’t see any other possibilities. 

I like Jonah (OT) and Metcalf (WR) both of which I have seen fall into the middle of the draft.....I dont consider them to be that far in drop of Tier

 

Jonah to LT, Dawkins to LG, Free Agent C, Teller to RG, Free agent RT

 

Protect the investment

 

[Chuck Wagon]

41 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

If they trade down and accumulate more picks they wont be reaching

 

I am not saying lets take a WR at 5....I am saying lets trade down and get an additional 2nd and THEN start looking at a OL or wide out.

 

We still get a 1st round talent at a needed position AND we get more at bats in the 2nd round on players

 

 

You can't just invent a trade out of thin air though.  Typically teams aren't moving up for anything outside of QB, depending on where our pick falls we might not be shopping a QB.  Adding a stud (and cheap) D-lineman to the defense with White / Edmonds & company isn't not a need anyway, Hughes is 30, Kyle can't have many more years left, Star is 29 and I don't think Murphy or Lawson is going to turn into Kahlil Mack at this point.

 

When you are picking top ~5, you take the blue chip talent, there will be plenty of "need" players at good value later in the draft. 

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

You can't just invent a trade out of thin air though.  Typically teams aren't moving up for anything outside of QB, depending on where our pick falls we might not be shopping a QB.  Adding a stud (and cheap) D-lineman to the defense with White / Edmonds & company isn't not a need anyway, Hughes is 30, Kyle can't have many more years left, Star is 29 and I don't think Murphy or Lawson is going to turn into Kahlil Mack at this point.

 

When you are picking top ~5, you take the blue chip talent, there will be plenty of "need" players at good value later in the draft. 

There was a lot of movement last year...but your right its all speculation right now.

 

If we have to dig in and draft......impact defensive player or Jonah (OT)

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, Chuck Wagon said:

 

 

You can't just invent a trade out of thin air though.  Typically teams aren't moving up for anything outside of QB, depending on where our pick falls we might not be shopping a QB.  

 

There were a number of trade ups in the first last year for non QB’s including a trade up the Bills made..

 

I would expect QB needy  teams to be looking to move up to where the Bills are likely to be picking around 10 or better..

[Kirby Jackson]

7 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

I like Jonah (OT) and Metcalf (WR) both of which I have seen fall into the middle of the draft.....I dont consider them to be that far in drop of Tier

 

Jonah to LT, Dawkins to LG, Free Agent C, Teller to RG, Free agent RT

 

Protect the investment

 

I don’t think that they are in the same tier as guys like Bosa & Quinnen Williams. I have a bunch of defensive players ahead of any offensive players. In a draft like this it has the reverse effect too. If it is thin at a position guys naturally get overdrafted. If it is deep at a position guys get underdrafted. I’m a BIG believer in drafting to the strength of the draft for that reason. You get better football players. 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

I don’t think that they are in the same tier as guys like Bosa & Quinnen Williams. I have a bunch of defensive players ahead of any offensive players. In a draft like this it has the reverse effect too. If it is thin at a position guys naturally get overdrafted. If it is deep at a position guys get underdrafted. I’m a BIG believer in drafting to the strength of the draft for that reason. You get better football players. 

We can do both at the same time.....we did it in the Tre White draft

[Kirby Jackson]

1 minute ago, Aussie Joe said:

 

There were a number of trade ups in the first last year for non QB’s including a trade up the Bills made..

 

I would expect QB needy  teams to be looking to move up to where the Bills are likely to be picking around 10 or better..

For whom? Haskins I presume? I think Herbert will be gone by the time we pick. If he stays in school then maybe Haskins goes in that spot. I don’t see many (or any) other QBs that are going to go near the top 10.

Just now, John from Riverside said:

We can do both at the same time.....we did it in the Tre White draft

Because someone wanted to come up for a QB. 

[John from Riverside]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

For whom? Haskins I presume? I think Herbert will be gone by the time we pick. If he stays in school then maybe Haskins goes in that spot. I don’t see many (or any) other QBs that are going to go near the top 10.

Because someone wanted to come up for a QB. 

Or perhaps someone wants one of the top D talent?

 

I mean...this is all speculation right now......at the end of the day I want to come out of the draft with a pocket for Josh Allen, running lanes for our RB's, and WR's that can actually get separation consistantly and make a catch.

 

As long  as those things happen?   I dont care what the name is on the back of the jersey.

[ColoradoBills]

16 hours ago, RiotAct said:

I wonder who the first team to draft a QB is going to be?

 

I just looked at that yesterday and how the Bills could be affected by draft position and a needy QB team.

Let's say the Bills draft 6.  Lets also say the top 5 teams are SF, ARZ, OAK, ATL, and NYJ.

Of all those teams the only team who might draft a QB that high would be OAK.

Gruden could take a QB with one of his other 1st's (Chicago and Dallas).

 

Now the teams just below BUF are JAX, TB and NYG, all who may draft QBs.

After DET, CIN is next and has no Dead cap left on Daltons contract for 2019.

Someone could trade up to #6 to get Herbert.

I was just having fun thinking about it.

 

 

[John from Riverside]

17 hours ago, Joeziehmer said:

Yeah, tell that to the kids crying after that blowout loss to the Bears.  Watching the after video of fans who were completely demoralized and expected at least something.  No fight to the mat fish McDermott whatsoever.  So, now it comes down to team cohesiveness and the team gelling together which takes a year or two tops for even the most experienced Coaches and even the most talented.  So did you smile as Peterman threw all those picks in blowout losses?  You don’t exactly strike me as a fan just something to business to you.  

Do any of your posts actually ever make sense....or is it just throwing monkey dew at the wall and seeing what sticks

[NewEraBills]

If it stayed this way, I would call the Jags and tell them I have an offer from the Giants for a QB LOL.  You can move up 1 spot and give me your 3rd.  Then I would call the Giants and tell them that the Jags called me to try to make sure they secure the #6 pick because they are afraid of you guys jumping in front.  What do you want to do?  They are offering their 3rd.

Edited December 11, 2018 by NewEraBills

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, NewEraBills said:

If it stayed this way, I would call the Jags and tell them I have an offer from the Giants for a QB LOL.  You can move up 1 spot and give me your 3rd.  Then I would call the Giants and tell them that the Jags called me to try to make sure they secure the #6 pick because they are afraid of you guys jumping in front.  What do you want to do?  They are offering their 3rd.

 

That's what I'm saying could happen.

Bills moving down a few picks would be great.

[Nextmanup]

18 hours ago, cle23 said:

Build a winning tradition.........by losing?

You seem to overlook the fact that we've already done quite a bit of it this year.

Why stop now?

 

If Justin Herbert comes out in the draft, teams are going to be looking to offer sweet packages to move up.  If we have the right, really high draft slot, we can be in a position maybe to trade down with such a team and have a huge draft.

 

Of course, I'd rather we just draft Justin Herbert!  But that's not going to happen.

 

We potentially have a lot to gain by losing out, especially if we can get lucky and have those 3 win teams win some more.

 

 

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

Or perhaps someone wants one of the top D talent?

 

I mean...this is all speculation right now......at the end of the day I want to come out of the draft with a pocket for Josh Allen, running lanes for our RB's, and WR's that can actually get separation consistantly and make a catch.

 

As long  as those things happen?   I dont care what the name is on the back of the jersey.

That’s why I said there needs to be a tier break. No one is going to scrafice 2nd round picks to get Oliver when they can stay put and get Wilkins (or whatever). It’s not really speculation it’s reasoned thought based on the current state of the draft board (which is close to set). 

 

I agree with the rest. The Bills desperately need offense. They need 3 OL, 2 TEs, 2 WRs and a RB at minimum. I don’t care where they get these guys but they need them.

Edited December 11, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[Pete]

2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:

That’s why I said there needs to be a tier break. No one is going to scrafice 2nd round picks to get Oliver when they can stay put and get Wilkins (or whatever). It’s not really speculation it’s reasoned thought based on the current state of the draft board (which is close to set). 

 

I agree with the rest. The Bills desperately need offense. They need 3 OL, 2 TEs, 2 WRs and a RB at minimum. I don’t care where they get these guys but they need them.

I agree with your post with the exception of needing 2 TEs.  I know we save $4.5 million by cutting Clay, but we don't have cap issues and $4.5 million for a TE isn't that bad.  Keep Clay, and we don't have $4.5 million in dead cap.  Croom is decent.  For sure I would like to add a TE.  I just don't think we need 2

[John from Riverside]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

I agree with your post with the exception of needing 2 TEs.  I know we save $4.5 million by cutting Clay, but we don't have cap issues and $4.5 million for a TE isn't that bad.  Keep Clay, and we don't have $4.5 million in dead cap.  Croom is decent.  For sure I would like to add a TE.  I just don't think we need 2

Yeah I did not realize till the other day that Clay was only going to cost 4.5 million

 

I would keep him as the number 2 and get a number 1

[Kirby Jackson]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

I agree with your post with the exception of needing 2 TEs.  I know we save $4.5 million by cutting Clay, but we don't have cap issues and $4.5 million for a TE isn't that bad.  Keep Clay, and we don't have $4.5 million in dead cap.  Croom is decent.  For sure I would like to add a TE.  I just don't think we need 2

Yeah, it’s kind of an “eye of the beholder” thing. I wouldn’t keep any of the current TEs so 2 was my conservative number. Clay OR Croom probably stays. I doubt that they are both back. Thomas is almost certainly gone IMO.

[CaptnCoke11]

1 hour ago, Pete said:

I agree with your post with the exception of needing 2 TEs.  I know we save $4.5 million by cutting Clay, but we don't have cap issues and $4.5 million for a TE isn't that bad.  Keep Clay, and we don't have $4.5 million in dead cap.  Croom is decent.  For sure I would like to add a TE.  I just don't think we need 2

He’s still a 9 million cap hit.  Same with McCoy.  Keeping players that clearly aren’t worth the value just because you have the cap room is bad business.  Let them both go

[The Now Moment]

22 hours ago, Joeziehmer said:

Going 8-8 after a 9-7 playoff appearance was more acceptable then going 4-9 and watching home ticket prices drop to $5-$6 bucks.  It looks like Baltimore not drafting in the money rounds actually got them a pretty good mobile Quarterback who can also pass.  While in tanking mode McDermott started Nate Peterman pretty much indefensible.  And, yet Baltimore looks playoff bound with real Coaching f and management and we look like McClappy was a limp little mat fish.  We have management just not a Coach who’s ever worth a damn.  

Coach isn't worth a damn but he took a bad roster last year to the playoffs.  We get it, the season hasn't been a step up record wise from last year.  BREAKING NEWS ALERT: The Buffalo Bills season was all about developing the young players at the right pace for each player.  Record was never a focus.  This year was about finding the Robert Foster's of this team and seeing how they can build onto the youth of this team moving forward.  Losses come with an inexperienced team.  It happens.  Many mistakes are made.  The players are learning from them and watching tape trying to make their improvements show on the field.  That's what this year has always been about.  Nate Peterman had a handful of games started and some were because of an injury to other guys.  The team drafted him and gave him a few chances before throwing him to the curb.  I'm glad they at least gave him a shot.  Did he blow it, absolutely! But you have to give the guy a couple chances.  We have lost too long and haven't had the QB play in way too long to not have taken a couple looks at the guy.  Sue him for giving the guy he was there for when they drafted couple games.  This whole thing has been about playing the young guys and seeing what they have.  Last thing we need is another head coaching change.  

[Boca BIlls]

22 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Actually its not

 

Going 8 and 8 and drafting out of the top 10 is Mediocrity

 

This is rebiulding......and drafting in the money rounds

Picking the wrong guy wherever you draft is what leads to mediocrity. Draft the right player for your team and improve.

 

This is McBeane's most important draft and possibly last if they dont blow it out of the water.

[John from Riverside]

39 minutes ago, Boca BIlls said:

Picking the wrong guy wherever you draft is what leads to mediocrity. Draft the right player for your team and improve.

 

This is McBeane's most important draft and possibly last if they dont blow it out of the water.

Picking more guys gives you a better chance at hitting

[NewEraBills]

5 hours ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

That's what I'm saying could happen.

Bills moving down a few picks would be great.

One thing I forgot, I'd call the Bucs too and let them know that the Giants and the Jags have called me and ask them what they want to do.  The thing is, moving to the spot these teams occupy would not be a big move.  Jonah Williams, Josh Allen could both still be in play. 

[cle23]

I doubt the top QB lasts to 6. Someone will trade to 1, 2, or 3 to ensure they get the guy they want. Rarely does the bidding start at pick 6.

[KD in CA]

Oh no!!  Bills anti-tanking to tenth!!

 

http://www.tankathon.com/nfl