dave mcbride Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Coin flip winners (ie, the luckier folks) have a distintive advantage, and it ain’t even remotely arguable. It is straight-up BS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I disagree. I think they are perfectly fine. I think college football is a joke for OT rules. 1 1 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimKellyTryouts Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I'd prefer 15 minutes as opposed to 10 since the receiving team definitely milks the clock and takes the thrill factor out of it; otherwise, I'm okay with it 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenyellowred Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Why shouldn't Philadelphia have had a chance on offense in OT? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, MJS said: I disagree. I think they are perfectly fine. I think college football is a joke for OT rules. at least a winner is determined . for NFL put the teams on the 5 with no Field Goals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Coin flip winners (ie, the luckier folks) have a distintive advantage, and it ain’t even remotely arguable. It is straight-up BS. Stop the other team or hold them to a FG. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) I think they should put 10 mins on the clock for ot, play out the whole thing and whoever wins, wins Edited December 10, 2018 by Steptide 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vincec Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just leave the games as ties. That's the most fair. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptnCoke11 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, greenyellowred said: Why shouldn't Philadelphia have had a chance on offense in OT? Everyone should get a trophy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I wish they would remove ties in the NFL. I hate ties in all sports 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I wish they would remove ties in the NFL. I hate ties in all sports agreed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenyellowred Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said: I wish they would remove ties in the NFL. I hate ties in all sports If you don't have ties, you have to have a new category for "Overtime Losses" like they do in the NHL. Do you want that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Call_Of_Ktulu Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, greenyellowred said: If you don't have ties, you have to have a new category for "Overtime Losses" like they do in the NHL. Do you want that? I don't care what they do but no ties. Have it go to most total yards after 10 min OT or something but no ties. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Ties would be fine or playing a full extra ten minutes would be fine. Or it would be fine if people stopped crying and played defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 It should just be a 10 min quarter. When it’s over, that’s what the score is. Either that or just no time. Each team gets a possession. Play until someone wins Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, greenyellowred said: Why shouldn't Philadelphia have had a chance on offense in OT? They did. They couldn't get possession of the ball. Football is still a team game. This is why a defense still matters. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 22 minutes ago, greenyellowred said: Why shouldn't Philadelphia have had a chance on offense in OT? Because their defense couldn't shut them down. I'm a fan of the current system. Hate the gimmicky college OT. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Ties would be fine or playing a full extra ten minutes would be fine. Or it would be fine if people stopped crying and played defense. Or if they adjusted the rules back to some sense of fairness for the defenses. It’s really pathetic to see sometimes. Ruining a game that was once the greatest. 4 minutes ago, No Place To Hyde said: They did. They couldn't get possession of the ball. Football is still a team game. This is why a defense still matters. Tell that to the rules committee. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KD in CA Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 4 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Or if they adjusted the rules back to some sense of fairness for the defenses. It’s really pathetic to see sometimes. Ruining a game that was once the greatest. Now that I agree with. Reverse the Mel Blount rule! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 I still like the college rules but think the starting point should simply be moved back for the NFL so you have to actually earn the field goal. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 54 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Stop the other team or hold them to a FG. LOL. Tell me this: why is that every team defers in regular time, but — with the current OT rules — previsely zero teams have deferred in OT? 20 minutes ago, DCOrange said: I still like the college rules but think the starting point should simply be moved back for the NFL so you have to actually earn the field goal. The colege rules are fine but the the nfl should improve upon those rules and not count ot stats toward regular stats. It’s a very easy fix. Just set up an OT stats category. Edited December 10, 2018 by dave mcbride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, dave mcbride said: Tell me this: why is that every team defers in regular time, but — wih the current OT rules — previsely zero teams have deferred in OT? Of course teams will take the ball in an attempt to score a TD. Defenses still have an opportunity to extend the game by holding the opponent to a FG or forcing a punt. Much ado about nothing IMO. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 34 minutes ago, KD in CA said: Ties would be fine or playing a full extra ten minutes would be fine. Or it would be fine if people stopped crying and played defense. The big problem is that defenses are more exhausted in OT than offenses are because they have to react. 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Of course teams will take the ball in an attempt to score a TD. Defenses still have an opportunity to extend the game by holding the opponent to a FG or forcing a punt. Much ado about nothing IMO. Why does every team take one position and not the other in an ostensibly 50-50 situation? Please answer me that. Don’t obfuscate either. Elaborate on your answer. No quips. Edited December 10, 2018 by dave mcbride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: The big problem is that defenses are more exhausted in OT than offenses are because thwy have to react. Why does every team take one position and not the other in an ostensibly 50-50 situation? Please answer me that. Din’t obfuscate either. Elaborate on your answer. No quips. I already answered that they do because they want to score a TD to win the game. Doesn't preclude a defensive stop. Play on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 35 minutes ago, Doc Brown said: Because their defense couldn't shut them down. I'm a fan of the current system. Hate the gimmicky college OT. Defenses are ALWAYS at a disadvantage at the end of a brutal game because they are necessarily reactive on a play by play basis. Just think of Atlanta’s D in the SB in 2017, when the Pats reacted with delighted glee after they “won” the coin flip. They were right to teact that way. Edited December 10, 2018 by dave mcbride 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dadonkadonk Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 The current OT rules are fine. Play defense. It's a team game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I already answered that they do because they want to score a TD to win the game. Doesn't preclude a defensive stop. Play on! E-l-a-b-o-r-a-t-e. As in, tell me why *zero* teams have ever deferred in OT under the current rules (outside of Matthew Slater, who said in that Jets game that the referee completely misinterpreted what he asked for). Again, quips are weak and ain’t good enough. Lay out a real argument with evidence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, dave mcbride said: E-l-a-b-o-r-a-t-e. As in, tell me why *zero* teams have ever deferred in OT under the current rules (outside of Matthew Slater, who said in that Jets game that the referee completely misinterpreted what he asked for). Again, quips are weak and ain’t good enough. Lay out a real argument with evidence. How many times do I need to explain? TD wins the game and you play to win. It's not that complicated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: Coin flip winners (ie, the luckier folks) have a distintive advantage, and it ain’t even remotely arguable. It is straight-up BS. Not in the slightest, since it began the team winning the coin toss has less than a 1 percent better chance of winning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 14 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Defenses are ALWAYS at a disadvantage at the end of a brutal game because they are necessarily reactive on a play by play basis. Just think of Atlanta’s D in the SB in 2017, when the Pats reacted with delighted glee after they “won” the coin flip. They were right to teact that way. It's still better than the old sudden death system that relies even more on the coin flip and the college gimmicky system that can go a ridiculously high amount of rounds along with inflating scores and stats. A tie isn't the end of the world. Edited December 10, 2018 by Doc Brown Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, greenyellowred said: Why shouldn't Philadelphia have had a chance on offense in OT? Because they sucked at stopping the other team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenyellowred Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, dave mcbride said: LOL. Tell me this: why is that every team defers in regular time, but — with the current OT rules — previsely zero teams have deferred in OT? The colege rules are fine but the the nfl should improve upon those rules and not count ot stats toward regular stats. It’s a very easy fix. Just set up an OT stats category. I agree with you that the defense is at a distinct disadvantage in OT. But why would a team ever defer if they won the coin toss for OT? There is only one OT period guaranteed, so you would never get to use that deferral unless it went to the third OT in the playoffs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said: How many times do I need to explain? TD wins the game and you play to win. It's not that complicated. Elaborate. No quips, which is all you are offering. In other major team sports — baseball, soccer, basketball, and hockey — no side is given an advantage remotely comparable to what the NFL offers the coin flip winners in OT (including extra innings), in the sense that one side may well have zero chance to handle the ball (and factoring in exhausted defenses). And again: catalog for me every team that has chosen to defer in OT (seriously, do it - you are a very knowledgeable fan) outside of the infamous Slater episode. Again, though, “LOL” quips are weak as arguments and simply don’t cut it. 1 minute ago, greenyellowred said: I agree with you that the defense is at a distinct disadvantage in OT. But why would a team ever defer if they won the coin toss for OT? There is only one OT period guaranteed, so you would never get to use that deferral unless it went to the third OT in the playoffs. That’s sort of my point. No team ever defers, and for good reason. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boca BIlls Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Dont let them score a TD... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: It's still better than the old sudden death system that relies even more on the coin flip and the college gimmicky system that can go a ridiculously high amount of rounds along with inflating scores and stats. A tie isn't the end of the world. See my point above about not including NFL OT stats in regular stats. It is a simple fix. Playoff stats don’t count as “real” stats, and if they did Brady would have another 8000 yards or so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, dave mcbride said: Elaborate. No quips, which is all you are offering. In other major team sports — baseball, soccer, basketball, and hockey — no side is given an advantage remotely comparable to what the NFL offers the coin flip winners in OT (including extra innings), in the sense that one side may well have zero chance to handle the ball (and factoring in exhausted defenses). And again: catalog for me every team that has chosen to defer in OT (seriously, do it - you are a very knowledgeable fan) outside of the infamous Slater episode. Again, though, “LOL” quips are weak as arguments and simply don’t cut it. Quips? You want some long drawn out explanation when it requires none of that. If a team wins possession via the coin flip they take the ball every single time with the chance to score a TD to win the game. No furher analysis is required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just make it 15 minutes and play out the 15 minutes. Most points after 15 minutes wins. Simple. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted December 10, 2018 Author Share Posted December 10, 2018 Just now, Boca BIlls said: Dont let them score a TD... Defenses are exhausted in ot. Offenses have the advantage. Name me a team that has deferred in the last few years (outside of the slater episode). If 100 percent choose to take the ball and indeed celebrate “winning” the coin flip, that is telling you something. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, No Place To Hyde said: They did. They couldn't get possession of the ball. Football is still a team game. This is why a defense still matters. Did the refs help keeping possession? The game is rigged to begin with. Horrible, crooked officiating all day. Edited December 10, 2018 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greenyellowred Posted December 10, 2018 Share Posted December 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Bills2ref said: Just make it 15 minutes and play out the 15 minutes. Most points after 15 minutes wins. Simple. But didn't the NFL shorten the OT to lessen the risk for player injuries? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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