cgg716 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 A Question to his supporters.. yes I know he made the playoffs last year and many believe that should give him some leeway. I believe there is no doubt he gets another year, but a question for the supporters, is it the playoffs or do you geniuely believe he’s a good coach? He played today like Jauron would have and that is not the first time. I don’t think we would find many who think his game desicions are solid. And even if you think that having a defensive first coach is workable, is his lauded defense, his supposed strength really that good. Remarkably easy TDS to questionable offenses, in winnable games the last two weeks and several blow outs on his record. It should be at least called into question 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WMDman Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 He made the playoffs last year with Tyrod as his QB, that alone has earned him my respect 6 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Jesus dude, the special teams put the defense at a disadvantage multiple times. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Why so serious? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil The Thrill Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, cgg716 said: A Question to his supporters.. yes I know he made the playoffs last year and many believe that should give him some leeway. I believe there is no doubt he gets another year, but a question for the supporters, is it the playoffs or do you geniuely believe he’s a good coach? He played today like Jauron would have and that is not the first time. I don’t think we would find many who think his game desicions are solid. And even if you think that having a defensive first coach is workable, is his lauded defense, his supposed strength really that good. Remarkably easy TDS to questionable offenses, in winnable games the last two weeks and several blow outs on his record. It should be at least called into question Yes I think he’s a good coach. The talent level on the Bills was considered to be among the worst in the NFL. He lost today, largely because of special teams and because his OL and DL got owned today. Also star CB Tre White was owned as well. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Yes he’s a good coach and has my support. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, cgg716 said: A Question to his supporters.. yes I know he made the playoffs last year and many believe that should give him some leeway. I believe there is no doubt he gets another year, but a question for the supporters, is it the playoffs or do you geniuely believe he’s a good coach? He played today like Jauron would have and that is not the first time. I don’t think we would find many who think his game desicions are solid. And even if you think that having a defensive first coach is workable, is his lauded defense, his supposed strength really that good. Remarkably easy TDS to questionable offenses, in winnable games the last two weeks and several blow outs on his record. It should be at least called into question His future with the Bills is not in question from ownership to reasonable fans. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dubs Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 He’s not perfect but name a coach who is. IMO he’s done a very good job through a difficult rebuild. He will continue to improve. Im convinced that many fans subconsciously believe that they can coach or manage a team better than actual professionals because it’s not dependent on physical talent like players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 i'm a McD fan , i just feel he has a great pulse on the team as a whole and gets the most out of his players. ST hurt us again big time. The D really didn't bother me until that final drive but ill take Tre White versus Anderson everyday of the week, not Tres best game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 Kicking the bomb with Hauscka hurt instead of going for it, just not smart. Running it twice to kick the FG in the 4th, with no RBs and a hurt kicker, although he made it, extremely conservative and not playing to your strengths at the time. Then to have the D get beat by Darnold.. they played NOT to lose.. regardless of talent, that’s troublesome 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fixxxer Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 I think he's a good coach. He still needs to get better at a few things but his players believe in him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, dubs said: He’s not perfect but name a coach who is. IMO he’s done a very good job through a difficult rebuild. He will continue to improve. Im convinced that many fans subconsciously believe that they can coach or manage a team better than actual professionals because it’s not dependent on physical talent like players. And yet 1/3 of those professionals are fired from their coaching positions every year. Wonder why that is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 I am a McDermott guy and I still support him.... but man the coaching sucked today. - the lack of pressure packages thrown at Darnold; - trick plays at the wrong time (hated the Zay Jones pass on 3rd and 3 deep in the redzone and we over used the end around); - the Special Teams planning and coaching was horrible; - the decision to try a long FG with a hurt kicker was nonsensical. That to me is the worst coached Bills game since Sean got here. The Jets outcoached us today. 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) Today was an example of a team that had put itself in a position to win being let down by really bad coaching decisions on all sides of the ball. Frazier is just a puppet for McD so when our defense started to sputter and break down, we needed McD to make some adjustments at half or on the fly in the 3rd and 4th. He did neither. The decision by McD for Hauschka to kick the long FG when he was obviously hurting was unforgivably stupid. Kickers are like soccer players, a small knock or Charlie horse hit or a smash to the lower back (like Hauschka got) really effects their accuracy and their execution. Should have punted. Instead we gave them the ball (yet again) in great field position. Edited December 9, 2018 by Livinginthepast 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeziehmer Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 9 minutes ago, WMDman said: He made the playoffs last year with Tyrod as his QB, that alone has earned him my respect Did standing in full respect and confidence with Peterman grant him extra special powers too; avoiding the blame? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, cgg716 said: A Question to his supporters.. yes I know he made the playoffs last year and many believe that should give him some leeway. I believe there is no doubt he gets another year, but a question for the supporters, is it the playoffs or do you geniuely believe he’s a good coach? He played today like Jauron would have and that is not the first time. I don’t think we would find many who think his game desicions are solid. And even if you think that having a defensive first coach is workable, is his lauded defense, his supposed strength really that good. Remarkably easy TDS to questionable offenses, in winnable games the last two weeks and several blow outs on his record. It should be at least called into question I am not happy with Coach McD today, usually I do not have this complaint but today I do. I do not get the Jauron comments, he is nothing like Jauron, but I think he blew the 3rd an 5 call on the series when we kicked the go ahead FG. I think that making the Jets use a timeout before the 2:00 warning was the better call. Sure a run play would have probably fell short but that timeout was important. Even worse was the decision to squib kick when we had the wind. Even worse is the illegal formation on a kickoff. The Jets started in great field position and crossed the 50 before the 2:00 warning. Terrible game management that McD is responsible for. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeziehmer Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Just now, Livinginthepast said: Today was an example of a team that had put itself in a position to win being let down by really bad coaching decisions on all sides of the ball. Frazier is just a puppet for McD so when our defense started to sputter and break down, we needed McD to make some adjustments at half on on the fly in the 3rd and 4th. He did neither. The decision by McD for Hauschka to kick the long FG when he was obviously hurting was unforgivably stupid. Kickers are like soccer players, a small knock or Charlie horse hit or a smash to the lower back (like Hauschka got) really effects their accuracy and their execution. Should have punted. Instead we gave them the ball (yet again) in great field position. Nobody says anything negative toward McDermott. Like watching a social media firm pump up positive public relations on a third party board. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, WMDman said: He made the playoffs last year with Tyrod as his QB, that alone has earned him my respect then proceeded to trade said QB and now has this team sitting at 4-9. I guess your logic makes sense... today's game was sad. Edited December 9, 2018 by 87168 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 And I agree he will not be fired, but I think he is missing the killer instinct, plays very safe, which is against a league wide trend to the contrary. John Fox is jobless because of that, John Harbaugh could be, Marrone could be, in spite of going to the title game. I’d be more comfortable following that trend, though I know they will not 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: And yet 1/3 of those professionals are fired from their coaching positions every year. Wonder why that is? Was there a point you were making? Cuz dopey missed it. Edited December 9, 2018 by Dopey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 13 minutes ago, WMDman said: He made the playoffs last year with Tyrod as his QB, that alone has earned him my respect Somehow tyrod sucks and we made the playoffs despite him. Then he gets rid of the horrible QB and we are a mess. Yet the coach gets a pass cause we made the playoffs last year. That’s not how it works. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 he is a good guy and his guys play hard for him. Is he a good coach??---Judging by game mgmt no not really 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 It was a bad game by Mcd today. His whole coaching staff really. I hated the conservative approach by him and Frazier on defence 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
87168 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Just now, nedboy7 said: Somehow tyrod sucks and we made the playoffs despite him. Then he gets rid of the horrible QB and we are a mess. Yet the coach gets a pass cause we made the playoffs last year. That’s not how it works. hah quite the conundrum, huh? haha but that seems to be the narrative 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tcali Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Just now, billsfan11 said: It was a bad game by Mcd today. His whole coaching staff really. I hated the conservative approach by him and Frazier on defence they turn a good defense into a mediocre one every time the game is on the line 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Somehow tyrod sucks and we made the playoffs despite him. Then he gets rid of the horrible QB and we are a mess. Yet the coach gets a pass cause we made the playoffs last year. That’s not how it works. Lol. Very true^ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 15 minutes ago, WMDman said: He made the playoffs last year with Tyrod as his QB, that alone has earned him my respect This is nonsense, they backed their way into the playoff's, they were pretty much the same team Rex fielded the previous years, this shows incredible ignorance IMO. McClappity will be gone in a couple years, as will the QB to which he hitched his wagon. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Just now, Tcali said: they turn a good defense into a mediocre one every time the game is on the line I know. When is the last time they have made a huge stop at the end of the game to seal a win? Miami last week they let them down. This week again. Houston game to a certain degree. Always seems like they play their worst football in the final few possessions 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 Just now, PeterDude said: This is nonsense, they backed their way into the playoff's, they were pretty much the same team Rex fielded the previous years, this shows incredible ignorance IMO. McClappity will be gone in a couple years, as will the QB to which he hitched his wagon. So which is it? Were the Bills a playoff team that McD "dismantled," or were they a team that "backed" into the playoffs and didn't deserve it. I'm confused. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, Dopey said: Was there a point you were making? Cuz dopey missed it. That treating coaches as unquestionable geniuses is ridiculous. The NFL coaching fraternity is comprised of 31 idiots and 1 idiot savant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mojo44 Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 22 minutes ago, cgg716 said: A Question to his supporters.. yes I know he made the playoffs last year and many believe that should give him some leeway. I believe there is no doubt he gets another year, but a question for the supporters, is it the playoffs or do you geniuely believe he’s a good coach? He played today like Jauron would have and that is not the first time. I don’t think we would find many who think his game desicions are solid. And even if you think that having a defensive first coach is workable, is his lauded defense, his supposed strength really that good. Remarkably easy TDS to questionable offenses, in winnable games the last two weeks and several blow outs on his record. It should be at least called into question You completely blew your premise with your first sentence as, he did, indeed, get us into the playoffs last year. He did it with smoke and mirrors and a total loser of a quarterback. He’s got his own learning curve to be sure, however, on the balance of it, he has been a good coach and I expect him to get better. I also believe they’re making some good personnel decisions.So many posters cannot seem to hold their wad whether it’s about the coach or Josh. Give it time everyone, give it some time! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsEnthusiast said: So which is it? Were the Bills a playoff team that McD "dismantled," or were they a team that "backed" into the playoffs and didn't deserve it. I'm confused. Ofc you're confused if you think McDermott is a good coach, you just need some more time I think. I mean, you will get it, at least 1.5 more seasons. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 1 minute ago, PeterDude said: Ofc you're confused if you think McDermott is a good coach, you just need some more time I think. I mean, you will get it, at least 1.5 more seasons. Answer the question, troll Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 25 minutes ago, cgg716 said: A Question to his supporters.. yes I know he made the playoffs last year and many believe that should give him some leeway. I believe there is no doubt he gets another year, but a question for the supporters, is it the playoffs or do you geniuely believe he’s a good coach? He played today like Jauron would have and that is not the first time. I don’t think we would find many who think his game desicions are solid. And even if you think that having a defensive first coach is workable, is his lauded defense, his supposed strength really that good. Remarkably easy TDS to questionable offenses, in winnable games the last two weeks and several blow outs on his record. It should be at least called into question Best pass defense in the league...... A franchise QB with hardly any NFL talent around them..... Yes he gets a pass Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeziehmer Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 8 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Somehow tyrod sucks and we made the playoffs despite him. Then he gets rid of the horrible QB and we are a mess. Yet the coach gets a pass cause we made the playoffs last year. That’s not how it works. Ayuh for sure you got that right. McDermott gets a continual pass for everything. Now logically if McDermott expresses confidence in Nate Peterman during a presser and Beane cuts him; do you think that Beane isn’t already lining up a list of Coaches for evaluation? This is a business just because McDermott brought in Beane; doesn’t mean that Beane isn’t worried about number one and losing his first gig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downunderbill Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 I think he is a good coach, today however, I think the game plan was poor and that it was poorly executed. todays loss was on everybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said: Answer the question, troll Trading Watkins and Darby was "dismantling"? That's rich... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cgg716 Posted December 9, 2018 Author Share Posted December 9, 2018 5 minutes ago, Mojo44 said: You completely blew your premise with your first sentence as, he did, indeed, get us into the playoffs last year. He did it with smoke and mirrors and a total loser of a quarterback. He’s got his own learning curve to be sure, however, on the balance of it, he has been a good coach and I expect him to get better. I also believe they’re making some good personnel decisions.So many posters cannot seem to hold their wad whether it’s about the coach or Josh. Give it time everyone, give it some time! Malarkey did that same thing last year... WON a road playoff game and then got fired immediately, because the Titans felt like they could do better at coach. I think based on what I’ve seen on game day we can too, and it’s vital we do with a young QB.. should we really wait and see if the switch flips? And to expound on Tennessee a bit.. Vrabel is a young, forward thinking, aggressive coach. The Titans sought that mindset and who wouldn’t? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zonabb Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 17 minutes ago, cgg716 said: Kicking the bomb with Hauscka hurt instead of going for it, just not smart. Running it twice to kick the FG in the 4th, with no RBs and a hurt kicker, although he made it, extremely conservative and not playing to your strengths at the time. Then to have the D get beat by Darnold.. they played NOT to lose.. regardless of talent, that’s troublesome I do think he's a very good leader of players and I like his approach in looking for certain player personalities and attributes beyond the athletics. But his in game coaching leaves a lot to be desired. This kick is classic. He's got a kicker who got smoked and was laying facedown and motionless at midfield at the half and who was shanked and shorted his last 44-yard warm up kick coming out of the half and who had to squib his first two kickoffs and he trots him out there for a 54 yarder in cold weather when the guy is probably as limber as a dead branch. This after last week, in a similar 4th down position, tried the much lower probability hail Mary instead of trying the 56 or so yarder with a healthy kicker in warm, windless south Florida. He's maddeningly bad at in game coaching and exhibits a lot of chicken-bleep attributes that will get him fired. Today he took the Lindy Ruff "We're up 1-0, let's hold on for 2 periods for the win" approach with conservative calls and letting Frazier, I assume at his direction or support, avoid blitzing a rookie QB just coming off an injury who left the first half for the locker room only to return clearly limping. He's frustratingly conservative. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted December 9, 2018 Share Posted December 9, 2018 7 minutes ago, PeterDude said: Trading Watkins and Darby was "dismantling"? That's rich... McD haters give two options: Either McD dismantled a "playoff" team (which he was responsible for), or he didn't deserve to go to the playoffs and we got lucky. Which is it for you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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