[Incomplete Title] As an admitted McDermott detractor

[GunnerBill]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

The team was .500 under Wrex Ryan, with the best offense of the drought years—hardly a disaster, hardly a team in need of a down-to-the-studs rebuild.

 

Not quite. It was one game under .500.

[xsoldier54]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

The team was .500 under Wrex Ryan, with the best offense of the drought years—hardly a disaster, hardly a team in need of a down-to-the-studs rebuild.

*****.  You must have been watching a different team.  Both our offense and defense sucked under Ryan. 

[PeterDude]

Just now, Nextmanup said:

There are very few posters here who call it the way it is.  I agree with you about Allen.

 

People here are high on him b/c he makes good, exciting runs, is clearly a gamer, and definitely wants to win.  It's easy to cheer for him and want to see him succeed. 

 

The problem is his passing game, which isn't good.  

 

PS:  I think there is a chance McDermott does not get 1.5 more years.  I can see a scenario where he is let go end of next year. 

I dunno, I think Pegula gives him one more full season, and at least the start of the next. I'm not sure how much it matters tbh, when the heck will they ever have the chance to draft the QB they passed on?That's like a one in multiple decade chance they blew.

[Mojo44]

3 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

Please do not tell me what I can post.  It's called an opinion.  When someone doesn't agree with you its ok.  You do not need to ask them to stop posting.  This seems to be a common theme around here. 

Did you read what I was responding to?  My post had nothing to do with defending TT. 

 

First of all, I wasn’t telling you what you can or cannot post, I was commenting on your post which I will do freely and as I see necessary. Also, I read your post as defending Taylor. If I’m wrong I’m wrong. But your very first sentence indicated that you were defending him. If that wasn’t the case, write more clearly the next time. Got it! Good

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, xsoldier54 said:

Again,  not much you can do about ticky tack calls.  And as for the other 31 teams, the average number of penalties for BOTH teams combined in an NFL game is 13.  Bills had more than that themselves the past two weeks.   They were mostly bad calls.  Nobody else gets flagged as much as Buffalo and I don't believe it's because they are committing that many more penalties, they just get called more.  Jets O-Line was holding all day today.  How many calls did we get?  

It’s the NFL though. Every single team gets hosed on ticky tack calls haha. There isn’t a conspiracy for the officials to screw the Bills lol.

 

If anything I thought the jets got the short end of the stick today in regards to penalties

[mannc]

2 minutes ago, xsoldier54 said:

*****.  You must have been watching a different team.  Both our offense and defense sucked under Ryan. 

Just because you say it, diesnt make it so.  They won as many games as they lost, and that was with a horrific head coach.

Edited December 9, 2018 by mannc

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

I’m really concerned that this guy isn’t the right guy to have here going forward. The defense folds in big spots constantly and game day management is terrible. Unless we force turnovers we lose. I’m glad everyone else is sure this tebuild will work. I just can’t get there. I am tired of seeing this team blow games that they should be wining. I don’t care about gaining 2 spots in draft position. I care about believing this team can actually win games at some point

[nedboy7]

2 minutes ago, Mojo44 said:

First of all, I wasn’t telling you what you can or cannot post, I was commenting on your post which I will do freely and as I see necessary. Also, I read your post as defending Taylor. If I’m wrong I’m wrong. But your very first sentence indicated that you were defending him. If that wasn’t the case, write more clearly the next time. Got it! Good

 

nope. 

 

[cgg716]

Within the top 20 in NFL history in completion percentage... Culpepper, Pennington, Carr, Mariota, Schaub, Brian Griese. It’s definitely not a be all end all measurement. And he’s spent that career throwing to people who are now selling tires I’d bet

[Phil The Thrill]

22 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Since McDermott is largely responsible for the lack of talent on the current Bills, he can't use it as an excuse.  He wanted these players because of their supposed commitment to "the process" and sent more talented players packing who allegedly didn't buy into his "vision".  I don't know exactly what the hell McDermott means by "the process", but it seems to me to include putting loyalty to "family and friends" ahead of objective talent evaluation of both assistant coaches and players.

 

 

 

Funny, I didn’t know McDermott was GM as well as head coach?

[Joeziehmer]

Would have been better off with Tyrod teaching Josh.  I love my Bills yet McDermott career wise is not the guy.

Edited December 9, 2018 by Joeziehmer

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, Joeziehmer said:

Would have been better off with Tyrod teaching Josh.  I love my Bills yet McDermott career wise guy.

[Ned Kelly]

McD supporter here.

 

Did we actually want to win today?

Currently picking at 6th in the draft depending on Lions (winning atm so that won't change).

 

A win would have bumped us to pick 11+

If your trying to throw a game special teams isn't a bad place to do it.

 

** McDermott will still be head coach of the Bills in 2021. At least I hope this is the case as means we are headed in the right direction and winning.

 

 

Edited December 10, 2018 by Ned Kelly
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[pad12]

1 hour ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

Jesus dude, the special teams put the defense at a disadvantage multiple times. 

*entire team

[Joeziehmer]

Just now, BillsEnthusiast said:

Hey I edited it; why are you guys this upset?  I mean you must have loved the blow out losses as part of the process.  

[VW82]

I don't think anyone knows yet but the fact he fired his own hand picked OC after one year, and now we're looking at probably having to do the same with ST in year two suggests he might not be the right guy. He looks like a head coach, says the right things. It's clear he has a plan to build an actual team (as appose to just collecting talent). Lots to like, but between the coaching misfires, the QB stuff, and spending all that draft capital on two players,...jury is out. 

Edited December 9, 2018 by VW82

[Joeziehmer]

1 minute ago, Ned Kelly said:

McD supporter here.

 

Did we actually want to win today?

Currently picking at 6th in the draft depending on Lions (winning atm so that won't change).

 

A win would have bummed us to pick 11+

If your trying to throw a game special teams isn't a bad place to do it.

So, throwing games for picks that’s worked out so well for taking a playoff and competitive team to the depths.  I’m glad my older brother isn’t alive to see loser mentality fans who hop abroad wanting to lose. 

[Ned Kelly]

11 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

So, throwing games for picks that’s worked out so well for taking a playoff and competitive team to the depths.  I’m glad my older brother isn’t alive to see loser mentality fans who hop abroad wanting to lose. 

 

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In seriousness and confident I've deciphered your post.

Yes " throwing games for picks" is a common strategy used in sporting codes across the globe.

The Buffalo Bills are a business. A high draft pick is a more important asset to the business than appeasing the likes of yourself.

 

Edited December 9, 2018 by Ned Kelly

[Joeziehmer]

2 minutes ago, VW82 said:

I don't think anyone knows yet but the fact he fired his own hand picked OC after one year, and now we're looking at probably having to do the same with ST in year two suggests he might not be the right guy. He looks like a head coach, says the right things. It's clear he has a plan to build an actual team (as appose to just collecting talent). Lots to like, but between the coaching, the QB stuff, and spending all that draft capital,...jury is out. 

I think Brandon Beane views him as expendable to such an extent he let Sean McDermott hang himself publicly on insisting that Sean had all the confidence in the world in Peterman.  Yet, logically McDermott supporters and fans of the process don’t know its a business decision and Beane doesn’t want to lose his job.  So, he’ll curry favor with ownership and the public; while trying to bring in his own guy; not just because McDermott brought him in.  Beane wants to build it and he’s realizing how clueless McDermott really is.  

[JohninMinn.]

Hopefully he will develop a killer instinct. Right now he plays the percentages and the team feels the atmosphere of playing not to lose. It's time to let go of the leash. 

[Mojo44]

26 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

nope. 

 

 OK. Fine. Don’t think through your thoughts and continue to put out confusing and indecipherable posts. Your call.    But when they are plain wrong  I will let you know if the impulse strikes me. Have a good night

[Roundybout]

17 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

Hey I edited it; why are you guys this upset?  I mean you must have loved the blow out losses as part of the process.  

 

Not really. I also don't like going 8-8/7-9 year in and year out. 

[Big Gun]

1 hour ago, downunderbill said:

I think he is a good coach, today however, I think the game plan was poor and that it was poorly executed. todays loss was on everybody. 

Just his 13-17 record alone suggests he is not a good coach, then throw in poor decisions in close losses and all the blowouts and no he isnt a good coach at all. 

[Steptide]

2 hours ago, cgg716 said:

A Question to his supporters.. yes I know he made the playoffs last year and many believe that should give him some leeway. I believe there is no doubt he gets another year, but a question for the supporters, is it the playoffs or do you geniuely believe he’s a good coach?

 

He played today like Jauron would have and that is not the first time. I don’t think we would find many who think his game desicions are solid. And even if you think that having a defensive first coach is workable, is his lauded defense, his supposed strength really that good. Remarkably easy TDS to questionable offenses, in winnable games the last two weeks and several blow outs on his record. It should be at least called into question 

 

I think he fully expected (and maybe even wanted) this kind of season. McBeans free agency and draft bonors are gonna be huge this off season. I've said it before and I'll say it again, I expect a completely different team next year 

[Commsvet11]

10 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Not really. I also don't like going 8-8/7-9 year in and year out. 

 

I would start getting comfortable with that range if I were you because that is what your going to see

[downunderbill]

6 minutes ago, pop gun said:

Just his 13-17 record alone suggests he is not a good coach, then throw in poor decisions in close losses and all the blowouts and no he isnt a good coach at all. 

 

We'll see next year after his next offseason.

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, Commsvet11 said:

 

I would start getting comfortable with that range if I were you because that is what your going to see

 

You sure about that?

[MJS]

2 hours ago, cgg716 said:

A Question to his supporters.. yes I know he made the playoffs last year and many believe that should give him some leeway. I believe there is no doubt he gets another year, but a question for the supporters, is it the playoffs or do you geniuely believe he’s a good coach?

 

He played today like Jauron would have and that is not the first time. I don’t think we would find many who think his game desicions are solid. And even if you think that having a defensive first coach is workable, is his lauded defense, his supposed strength really that good. Remarkably easy TDS to questionable offenses, in winnable games the last two weeks and several blow outs on his record. It should be at least called into question 

 

Can you explain what you mean? Are you thinking he is too conservative on offense? Do you think he is directing Daboll to do certain things on offense?

 

I think it is foolish to blame the defense today. They played well. The offense and special teams put then in bad situations. You can't expect to stop offenses from having any drives in a game.

 

Plus, injuries hurt both the offense and defense.

 

I do believe he is a good coach. He is a detail oriented guy who obviously works hard, motivates his players, and has made it work with a supremely talent deficient roster. I want to see what he can do once we have actual talent. Next year should be a big indicator of his ability.

 

I think he should have 5 years minimum as head coach. Got to let him build the team the right way and let players develop.

[Roundybout]

8 minutes ago, pop gun said:

Just his 13-17 record alone suggests he is not a good coach, then throw in poor decisions in close losses and all the blowouts and no he isnt a good coach at all. 

 

Hue Jackson was 1-31 and got three years. 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

1 minute ago, Commsvet11 said:

 

I would start getting comfortable with that range if I were you because that is what your going to see

8-8 would be good compared to this ***** season. I don’t care what the convenient built in excuse was for this season. Blowing a lead at home to the pathetic jets and blowing that game in Miami last week, was not part of a plan. Losers lose. You want to change the “culture” here? Stop blowing leads. Losing helps nothing

[Joeziehmer]

3 minutes ago, downunderbill said:

 

We'll see next year after his next offseason.

If he survives this season first and judging by Beane cutting Peterman quickly after the presser; the GM has no faith.  

[cgg716]

2 minutes ago, MJS said:

 

Can you explain what you mean? Are you thinking he is too conservative on offense? Do you think he is directing Daboll to do certain things on offense?

 

I think it is foolish to blame the defense today. They played well. The offense and special teams put then in bad situations. You can't expect to stop offenses from having any drives in a game.

 

Plus, injuries hurt both the offense and defense.

 

I do believe he is a good coach. He is a detail oriented guy who obviously works hard, motivates his players, and has made it work with a supremely talent deficient roster. I want to see what he can do once we have actual talent. Next year should be a big indicator of his ability.

 

I think he should have 5 years minimum as head coach. Got to let him build the team the right way and let players develop.

A 57 yarder with an injured kicker instead of going for it.. conservative. 1st and 10 from the 23 with Murphy as your only RB, you call 2 runs.. yes I think he is directing Daboll to play for 3, there isn’t a head coach that doesn’t take over to a degree there. And on D they played safe football and folded. Played not to lose, insanely conservative 

[Joeziehmer]

Normal sports franchises and fans know that when a Coach places confidence in a below average athlete, and a General Manager releases him, that same day; the Coach is on the hot seat.  With McDermott supporters nothing like that is possible because he brought us to the playoffs and snapped the drought so even in the face of conventional wisdom he gets a pass.  

[Norcalbillsfan]

I like mcD. I think he's still learning a lot. I don't like the conservative play on defense today but I think we need a change on special teams. Not to mention we had some key injuries that hurt today

[MJS]

38 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

So, throwing games for picks that’s worked out so well for taking a playoff and competitive team to the depths.  I’m glad my older brother isn’t alive to see loser mentality fans who hop abroad wanting to lose. 

 

If you are blaming McDermott for wrecking a playoff team, you also have to give him equal credit for building and taking that team to the playoffs.

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

3 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

If he survives this season first and judging by Beane cutting Peterman quickly after the presser; the GM has no faith.  

I might be okay with them moving on from Mcd and just making Daboll the HC. I don’t want Allen to have to start over. I know after last year Mcd is a made man and has no chance of getting fired...but today’s loss is sickening. Same with the Miami game. Gameday decision making is terrible. Clueless about challenges and clock management. Puzzling personnel decisions are constant. The defense gives up points in big spots all the time. We hold onto wastes to long. Peterman hung around for way to long. Crossman. KB. Sadly probably Shady although I wanted him to stay. Castillo. Clad etc...I have very little faith in this guy going forward.

[Best Williams Available]

1 hour ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

I’m really concerned that this guy isn’t the right guy to have here going forward. The defense folds in big spots constantly and game day management is terrible. Unless we force turnovers we lose. I’m glad everyone else is sure this tebuild will work. I just can’t get there. I am tired of seeing this team blow games that they should be wining. I don’t care about gaining 2 spots in draft position. I care about believing this team can actually win games at some point

The hallmark of every bad team the Bills fielded during the drought (which was all of them) was losing to inferior teams. I know it’s “any given Sunday”, but last two weeks looks like more of the same. They weren’t talentless all those years, but did have bad coaches.

[Ned Kelly]

3 minutes ago, Joeziehmer said:

If he survives this season first and judging by Beane cutting Peterman quickly after the presser; the GM has no faith.  

"$5k" says he survives this season unless he starts suggesting to Beane things like this ?

 

"Joeziehmer     32

Posted Saturday at 11:04 AM

1st Round: Bryce Love

Running back out of Stanford good speed and good body awareness and vision.

2nd Round: Sam Mustipher

Cenrer our of Notre Dame good body control and agility fighting to avoid sacks and tackles for loss at the point of attack

3rd Round: LJ Scott

Bruising running back Michigan State for short yardage situations and jumbo packages at the goal line"

 

[Roundybout]

13 minutes ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

8-8 would be good compared to this ***** season. I don’t care what the convenient built in excuse was for this season. Blowing a lead at home to the pathetic jets and blowing that game in Miami last week, was not part of a plan. Losers lose. You want to change the “culture” here? Stop blowing leads. Losing helps nothing

 

We don't WANT 8-8. When playoffs are not happening, the draft and preparing for next season is what matters. 

[John from Riverside]

15 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Hue Jackson was 1-31 and got three years. 

And didn’t get his team to the playoffs in its first year