Steptide Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 I'll start by saying that I'm not 100% sold on Allen just yet. I think he has areas he needs to improve on, and we may not see some of those improvements this year. Having said that, I was blown away by his play today. The first half was pretty dismal, but the second half may just be his best play all year. One thing I really like about him, is that he has been using multiple recievers. Part of that could be dabolls's scheme. If I'm remembering correctly, he hit zay, Benjamin, Thompson, DiMarco, foster, mckenzie and shady. I was just as upset as anyone here after we lost today, but I think McDermott and beane found a gem. Allen hates to lose and he has that same fire Kelly had. I'm just picturing Allen a year or even two years from now with talent. Lookout afc. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 Nope. SUPER BOWL CHAMPIONSHIPS !!! 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnychemo Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 I look forward to seeing what an offseason of work on his game with the resources he’ll have available to him as an NFL QB will do for his game. I expect a big step forward in 2019. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 (edited) so... you're not completely sold on Allen, but you think he will get us to the AFC championship game? huh, one might wonder what you would believe were you 100% sold on him... Edited December 2, 2018 by Foxx 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 I'm 100% sold. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 2, 2018 Share Posted December 2, 2018 I mean nobody REALLY knows but common sense says if you put better players around Allen then he should also be better. Lots of good mixed in there now on a bad team...the question becomes HOW MUCH better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted December 2, 2018 Author Share Posted December 2, 2018 14 minutes ago, Foxx said: so... you're not completely sold on Allen, but you think he will get us to the AFC championship game? huh, one might wonder what you would believe were you 100% sold on him... Because we've been dow this road before. Losman, Edwards, Fitz. All had flashes of greatness. Like I said Allen needs to improve in certain areas, and if he can do that, then yes I believe he will be fantastic and this team will be competing for a superbowl. That's a big if Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I think it happens need season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rc2catch Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 36 minutes ago, Steptide said: Because we've been dow this road before. Losman, Edwards, Fitz. All had flashes of greatness. Like I said Allen needs to improve in certain areas, and if he can do that, then yes I believe he will be fantastic and this team will be competing for a superbowl. That's a big if Fitz maybe, but Losman and Edwards didn’t show any greatness for me. Fitz had a few games he looked like a real gunslinger here but faded once the tape was out. Weve definetly never had this much potential at quarterback, it’s easy to get excited. Just gonna have to see if this kid can work hard enough to reach that potential. If we’re aiming high, he has the potential to be a top 3-5 quarterback in this league with his tools of running and arm strengths.. But that’s light years away if he ever gets there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) If it wasn't for his running, he'd be a pretty meh QB. Unfortunately, the running aspect of his game will be the first thing to fade in terms of skills or possibly injury. Edited December 3, 2018 by PeterDude Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 I think we’re closer than most would guess. He is getting great experience right now. That last drive, on the road - even though it didn’t pan out, you can’t replicate that in practice. We finally have our QB, and can load up this offseason. Now if Brady would just retire... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxx Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 42 minutes ago, Steptide said: Because we've been dow this road before. Losman, Edwards, Fitz. All had flashes of greatness. Like I said Allen needs to improve in certain areas, and if he can do that, then yes I believe he will be fantastic and this team will be competing for a superbowl. That's a big if i noticed that you just changed the title to include (eventually) in it. ♨️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 100% sold 46 minutes ago, Steptide said: Because we've been dow this road before. Losman, Edwards, Fitz. All had flashes of greatness. Like I said Allen needs to improve in certain areas, and if he can do that, then yes I believe he will be fantastic and this team will be competing for a superbowl. That's a big if he has shown way more than any of the qbs you mentioned Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Get him a couple of blockers and better receivers and he just might... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted December 3, 2018 Author Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 minutes ago, tcampbell104 said: 100% sold he has shown way more than any of the qbs you mentioned You have a short memory then. I'd maybe take losman off that list, but Edwards and Fitz definitely played outstanding for the bills for a short time. Edwards in 08 started 5-1 and looked like the next Kelly. Then got injured and was never the same. Fitz pulled the impossible and beat Brady and the Pats in 2011 and started 5-2 only to drop off again like Edwards. Allen has a much better skill set than both those guys, and I'm pretty sure he'll get better, but there is no gaurentee of that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheektowaga Chad Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 He needs guys he can trust. He doesnt trust the offensive line and doesnt have a go to receiver The line gets improved and we get a legit wr, we will improve ten fold Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 37 minutes ago, transplantbillsfan said: I think it happens need season Need as in every season? agreened 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 1 minute ago, Steptide said: You have a short memory then. I'd maybe take losman off that list, but Edwards and Fitz definitely played outstanding for the bills for a short time. Edwards in 08 started 5-1 and looked like the next Kelly. Then got injured and was never the same. Fitz pulled the impossible and beat Brady and the Pats in 2011 and started 5-2 only to drop off again like Edwards. Allen has a much better skill set than both those guys, and I'm pretty sure he'll get better, but there is no gaurentee of that edwards was always overrated his successful streak came against some of the worst defenses in the league, fitzs arm was always a mirage. i was so pissed when they gave him that big contract. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajgoff1286 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, PeterDude said: If it wasn't for his running, he'd be a pretty meh QB. Unfortunately, the running aspect of his game will be the first thing to fade in terms of skills or possibly injury. Hasn't faded for Cam Newton yet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tcampbell104 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 surround allen with talent and the sky is the limit 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, row_33 said: Need as in every season? agreened Next season, my bar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billspro Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 He is a competitor, I think he will give us a chance at championships as well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, PeterDude said: If it wasn't for his running, he'd be a pretty meh QB. Unfortunately, the running aspect of his game will be the first thing to fade in terms of skills or possibly injury. Steve Young says Hi 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick the Greek Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 hours ago, PeterDude said: If it wasn't for his running, he'd be a pretty meh QB. Unfortunately, the running aspect of his game will be the first thing to fade in terms of skills or possibly injury. Disagree. He reminds me of a Russell Wilson, getting out of trouble and making throws. There is room in the nfl to make plays with their feet. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 3 hours ago, PeterDude said: If it wasn't for his running, he'd be a pretty meh QB. Unfortunately, the running aspect of his game will be the first thing to fade in terms of skills or possibly injury. I’ll hand it to you, you ARE consistent! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 Stock trending upward. Would love to see this team with a strong running game and a playmaker at TE. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 5 hours ago, Steptide said: You have a short memory then. I'd maybe take losman off that list, but Edwards and Fitz definitely played outstanding for the bills for a short time. Edwards in 08 started 5-1 and looked like the next Kelly. Then got injured and was never the same. Fitz pulled the impossible and beat Brady and the Pats in 2011 and started 5-2 only to drop off again like Edwards. Allen has a much better skill set than both those guys, and I'm pretty sure he'll get better, but there is no gaurentee of that Edwards did not at all look like the next Kelly. People gave him credit for doing things he never did. He had a couple good games but he was never a dynamic player, none of those five wins was a great game by him, he was a lot like Peterman except better arm. He missed one week and the first game back from his injury may have been his best game of his career, so the injury and never was the same theory is nonsense. He was never good under a strong rush even when we had that good start. He could never get the ball downfield with any consistency. He was a good presnap read short passer and that's it. Fitz is a huge overachiever and he was pretty good on the Bills. But he also showed the bad Fitz. Allen is WAY, WAY more talented than either of them and to me, comparing them just because those guys had a few good games and wins is somewhat foolish. Neither of them had any chance at all of being franchise quarterbacks for ten years. Josh has a decent chance and he's better than I thought he would be and most everyone thought he would be already. That doesn't at all mean he has arrived. He has a long, long way to go to be a franchise QB. But so far it's highly encouraging imo. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 9 hours ago, ajgoff1286 said: Hasn't faded for Cam Newton yet That's probably the best hope, Cam 2.0. Thing is, how many SB's is that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BB@Shooter Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 14 hours ago, Steptide said: Because we've been dow this road before. Losman, Edwards, Fitz. All had flashes of greatness. Like I said Allen needs to improve in certain areas, and if he can do that, then yes I believe he will be fantastic and this team will be competing for a superbowl. That's a big if You are really going out on a limb there. Craziness I tell you. Stating the obvious, and then circling back. It is ok to have an opinion. You won't get jail time for it. At least I don't think you will. 2 hours ago, PeterDude said: That's probably the best hope, Cam 2.0. Thing is, how many SB's is that? Look around the league and ask that about almost any qb but Brady. 13 hours ago, PeterDude said: If it wasn't for his running, he'd be a pretty meh QB. Unfortunately, the running aspect of his game will be the first thing to fade in terms of skills or possibly injury. Uh, okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark80 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 13 hours ago, PeterDude said: If it wasn't for his running, he'd be a pretty meh QB. Unfortunately, the running aspect of his game will be the first thing to fade in terms of skills or possibly injury. My lord, have you ever seen him throw a pass? He has the best pure arm in the league. The BEST. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 2 hours ago, Mark80 said: My lord, have you ever seen him throw a pass? He has the best pure arm in the league. The BEST. Then why was the most important pass of the game a duck? Oh, that's right, footwork. Where have we heard that before? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 3, 2018 Share Posted December 3, 2018 (edited) 4 hours ago, PeterDude said: That's probably the best hope, Cam 2.0. Thing is, how many SB's is that? Judging QBs on SBs? I guess you must think pretty low of Philip Rivers. Joe Flacco must be on par with Aaron Rodgers and Brees cause they all have 1 each! 8 minutes ago, PeterDude said: Then why was the most important pass of the game a duck? Oh, that's right, footwork. Where have we heard that before? Maybe something to do with he was fading away and running for his life while throwing a ball that travelled 50 yards in the air against his body? Edited December 3, 2018 by billsfan11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDude Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 21 hours ago, billsfan11 said: Judging QBs on SBs? I guess you must think pretty low of Philip Rivers. That is a big part of the judgement yes. Of course there are extenuating circumstances in some cases, but the point of having an NFL team/career is to win championships. If Rivers never wins SB, he'll be a lesser QB when history looks back, just like Kelly. That's how it works. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, PeterDude said: That is a big part of the judgement yes. Of course there are extenuating circumstances in some cases, but the point of having an NFL team/career is to win championships. If Rivers never wins SB, he'll be a lesser QB when history looks back, just like Kelly. That's how it works. Team game. One player can't win a championship by himself. Marino is considered one of the best of all time and he never won. Only some people like to paint the picture that if ONE player can't win a SB, then he must not be great. Never made any sense to me as Football is a complete team game made up of offence, defence, special teams, coaching, injuries/depth, and luck also plays a huge factor as well. It is not Basketball where your best player is on the court virtually the whole game and can make a direct impact on defence and offence. And Basketball only has 5 players on at a certain time where Football has 11. Edited December 4, 2018 by billsfan11 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
transplantbillsfan Posted December 4, 2018 Share Posted December 4, 2018 I really think this team is going to be the most shocking team in the NFL next year. Beane is going to go out and seriously spend that $90 million in free CAP space in Free Agency. I expect we'll pursue a top tier FA WR/TE or two. We will (unfortunately) have what looks like a top 10 draft pick to grab an impact player. Plus, Beane and his college scouts look more than competent, so I expect we'll also find some late round gems like we did with Milano last year. And most importantly, Allen will have the benefit of a full NFL offseason to not just work on his game, but also his chemistry with his teammates. I think we would have made the playoffs this year if McDermott named Allen the starter early in Training Camp the way he should have. It's clear that plays like his missed TD pass in the EZ to Zay on Sunday are all about communication and chemistry. And Allen will have all this time to become that much more comfotable in Daboll's system. We will be in the playoffs next year. I think it will be a home game. And I think we will win at least 1 playoff game. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
downunderbill Posted December 5, 2018 Share Posted December 5, 2018 On 12/4/2018 at 3:33 AM, PeterDude said: Then why was the most important pass of the game a duck? Oh, that's right, footwork. Where have we heard that before? Should give you an open roster spot so you can show him how you would throw that ball 50 yards on the move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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