Brandon Beane: "As Long as I'm in Charge, We're Never Tanking"

[ColoradoBills]

8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Tank for what player? 

 

I will rephrase it as "The season is toast, no sense clutching at straws, the more games they lose the better the overall draft will be".

 

The only thing that over rules that is Josh Allen comes back healthy and gets some starts and hopefully a couple of wins.

Of course he has to stay healthy while doing that.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, ColoradoBills said:

 

I will rephrase it as "The season is toast, no sense clutching at straws, the more games they lose the better the overall draft will be".

 

The only thing that over rules that is Josh Allen comes back healthy and gets some starts and hopefully a couple of wins.

Of course he has to stay healthy while doing that.

 

Fan talk. The team will try like hell to win. 

[SoTier]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

Define "most." I would argue their only 2 real missteps so far have been trading up for Zay and trading for Kelvin Benjamin. If you want to include the backup QB as another misstep, sure. For many of their moves the evaluation is still ongoing. On the flip side they've rebuilt the defense to be top 5 in the NFL and drafted the hopeful franchise QB. A lot of this regime's future is tied to Josh Allen. They will go as he goes.

 

The list of mistakes starts with McDermott's 2017 draft when he traded out of #10, passing on 2 QB prospects who were significantly better than Josh Allen, in order to take a DB.  I don't care how great Tre White becomes, passing on a QB to take a DB is a mistake.

• Trading Watkins when there were no other WRs with speed on the team was another mistake, especially when they have failed to bring in a WR with real speed over both 2 seasons.
• Trading Darby for Jordan Matthews and a third round pick (Harrison Phillips) because Matthews did nothing for the Bills and wasn't re-signed.
• Trading Tyrod Taylor and keeping Nathan Peterman, incurring nearly $8 million in dead cap space that could have been used to sign more/better FAs.
• Giving up so much talent and draft capital to get Allen and Edmunds.  The draft is largely a crap-shoot, even with high picks, so giving up so much to get only two players when the team has so many needs isn't smart.  Except for the #1 pick,  first round QB prospects, are only successful about half the time, and Allen is the kind of prospect who is most likely to fail: a raw project in need of significant coaching.
• Not bothering to address the offense after drafting Allen until the end of the fifth round despite obvious holes on the OL and among the WRs.
• Failing to hire a better QB coach than David Culley.
• Trading for Corey Coleman, incurring $3.5 million in dead cap space, on a team already strapped by an enormous dead cap space.
• Failing to have a third QB on the PS going into the regular season.
• Failing to get around to signing a better backup QB than Peterman for a month.

Are those enough serious mistakes for you?  McDermott/Beane have repeatedly demonstrated their incompetence to build a competitive team.

[ColoradoBills]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Fan talk. The team will try like hell to win. 

 

You are missing my point entirely.  I'm not talking about the players.

If Beane was all in on saving the season he could of talked trade for other QBs and given up draft picks to get one weeks ago.

He did not do that.  He got Anderson and Barkley.  Along with Peterman this almost assures losses with this offense.

[Rico]

17 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

So who do you fire for passing on Mahomes and Watson? The defensive minded head coach who was here for all of 3 months before that draft? Or the GM that hadn't been hired yet? There was zero chance we were drafting a QB high last year. Call it bad timing. Blame Pegula if you want for not having a more stable situation in place. But McDermott and Beane can't be held accountable for that.

If you’re going to blame anyone, blame Pegs for giving Whaley a 4th year as GM in 2016. 3 years was far, FAR too much as it was.

Edited November 9, 2018 by Rico

[Jrb1979]

15 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

No in hindsight they didn't need to. But of course we didn't know that last year. This regime decided right away they'd be going all out for a QB in 2019 and every move they made was in service of that plan. All their dead cap is off the books next year. This is the last year where they have fair excuses for losing. And sure if they had made every move exactly right we would be in a better spot right now. But I don't blame them for passing on a QB last year or casting away players to gather draft picks. I blame them for the receiver situation and that's about it. A lot of their moves have been great. I'm okay with a couple stinkers and a bad rebuilding year. Next year they'll have to prove their plan is working.

 

So who do you fire for passing on Mahomes and Watson? The defensive minded head coach who was here for all of 3 months before that draft? Or the GM that hadn't been hired yet? There was zero chance we were drafting a QB high last year. Call it bad timing. Blame Pegula if you want for not having a more stable situation in place. But McDermott and Beane can't be held accountable for that.

I am sorry but the QB situation going to this season is inexcusable. They knew Allen needed time to learn the pro game as he is really raw. The fact Peterman is still on the roster and that they believe he can play in this league makes me really question if they know anything about a modern NFL offense. Then again McDermott believes you can win playing field position and playing conservative offense. 

[Helpmenow]

4 hours ago, Jobot said:

Statistically one of the best defenses in the league.

And still losing like the ravens, Dallas 

[26CornerBlitz]

10 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

You are missing my point entirely.  I'm not talking about the players.

If Beane was all in on saving the season he could of talked trade for other QBs and given up draft picks to get one weeks ago.

He did not do that.  He got Anderson and Barkley.  Along with Peterman this almost assures losses with this offense.

 

McDermott genuinely believed Peterman could be a viable bridge to Allen.  That's not a tank, it's a gross miscalculation that they realize was a big mistake upon reflection.  There is no tanking. It's fan talk. 

 

Beane has been very much available to the media these last couple of weeks.

Edited November 9, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[LSHMEAB]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

Awesome.  Care to enlighten me to what he’s all about master?

I'm really not here to get in pissing matches with fellow Bills fans.

 

I don't like the direction of the team. I don't believe they know what they're doing. I don't believe in Allen. I don't like the moves they've made.

 

But I'd be as happy as you to be wrong about every single one of those assessments.

[Fadingpain]

That "clueless" radio host who everyone loves around here, Mike Schopp, was dead right about this, all along.

 

Somehow, the experts at TBD got it wrong.  Again.

 

 

[Warcodered]

Depends on what you mean by tanking I think. Did they purposely make moves that would lower the current level of the team to try and make it better later, yeah I think so. Did they take this roster and go into games with the intention to lose, no I don't think they did. I think they meant to stay aggressive tying win to keep the right mindset/culture going for the coming season but the wheels came off the offense more than they were expecting.

[Bing Bong]

2 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

That is where you see the agenda's in this thread like Bado

 

He is not admitting to the tank....so therefore he must be a bad GM

 

Like ANY GM is EVER going to admit to a tank

Sure lol but he had to use such strong language? Couldn't say what we're saying here that "we're not tanking but we know our plans for rebuilding long term are affecting current results we got our Quarterback and we're going to keep improving" not "I will never tank while in Buffalo [on purpose]"..

 

a rebuild McBeane style is a tank what the hell else is it supposed to be. Just don't tell the media you tried to field the best team possible because it's a bald faced lie or it genuinely comes off as this was his best effort.. both super embarrassing. But whatever, non story as far as we're concerned we know what's happening. Just not good for Beane should he fail and have to explain what the heck he meant when he fielded the worst offense ever. By that point it's his job on the line not our franchise.

 

We rag on Whaley for his press conferences and didn't have the benefit of knowing he'd have a job the next day, but he never said "I'm setting this team up long term we will never have cap problems while I'm GM." and that would have been equally hilarious because he's just bald face lying. Dude was just awkward and gave non answers. Smart dodging bait like that

Edited November 10, 2018 by PetermanThrew5Picks

[John from Riverside]

I honestly don’t get what he is supposed to say

 

he could just flat refuse to do interviews and maybe he should

[Nihilarian]

6 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

They gave up a couple draft picks and Glenn to get Allen. And they still kept their other first rounder. I wouldn't say that's a tank. 

 

They've just been pretty bad at evaluating the talent they inherited as well as talent around the league. The reason they are terrible on the offensive side of the football and thus a bad team.

Plus, McD has chosen some really bad offensive coaches, OC, line coach, QB coach. I don't think I would trust this FO to obtain offensive talent next offseason if this coaching staff stays intact. In fact I think it will be another non-tank bad year for 2019 with Daboll, Castillo no matter who they bring in. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

5 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm talking about the trades of Sammy and Darby which were done to get the best draft picks possible out of players they didn't see as having a long term future in Buffalo. They have been gearing up to get a QB since last offseason. Unlike other regimes they didn't want to sit on their hands and wait to see what happened. They identified a strong QB class and did what they could to put themselves in position to draft one early. And now they have Allen and we're all waiting to find out if they're right about him.

 

Hmmm.  If both those trades were done to get the best draft picks possible, why did they include players?

[Bing Bong]

5 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Hmmm.  If both those trades were done to get the best draft picks possible, why did they include players?

Because they thought Darby was worth Matthews and a pick flipped for Benjamin.

 

..Actually had nothing to do with getting Allen to whatever your replying to. Quite the opposite. just lost us an asset for WRs that set Allen back either by having crappy KB playing with Allen, or wasting a year of building a WR corps thinking Matthews had them set replacing Watkins... Actually a horrible move anyway as far as working to get a top 10 QB with weapons is concerned. 

[Lv-Bills]

7 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

They gave up a couple draft picks and Glenn to get Allen. And they still kept their other first rounder. I wouldn't say that's a tank. 

 

They've just been pretty bad at evaluating the talent they inherited as well as talent around the league. The reason they are terrible on the offensive side of the football and thus a bad team.

Are you friggin serious?  They're tanking.  In many different forms of tank, but they're tanking.  The average teenager that reads the internet could put together a better offense.  There is no way Beane is this stupid to actually be "trying".

 

I'm actually giving him credit, while being pissed at the way they've done this.  Yeah, I'm saying there's no way he's this stupid.

Edited November 10, 2018 by Lv-Bills

[Bing Bong]

5 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Could be Pegula sent him out to give the fans some excuses.... er I mean answers.

I'd rather they suck on purpose than this story be true! Good god gross calculation is an understatement, that's the last answer I wanted to hear.

 

Why do I think he said it? Idk he just took the bait and got owned and looks like a dummy now. And we're parsing what this quote means. He must have been speaking truthfully I guess, but he basically said he's tanking unintentionally. Scary.

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

 

No in hindsight they didn't need to. But of course we didn't know that last year. This regime decided right away they'd be going all out for a QB in 2019 and every move they made was in service of that plan. All their dead cap is off the books next year. This is the last year where they have fair excuses for losing. And sure if they had made every move exactly right we would be in a better spot right now. But I don't blame them for passing on a QB last year or casting away players to gather draft picks. I blame them for the receiver situation and that's about it. A lot of their moves have been great. I'm okay with a couple stinkers and a bad rebuilding year. Next year they'll have to prove their plan is working.

 

So who do you fire for passing on Mahomes and Watson? The defensive minded head coach who was here for all of 3 months before that draft? Or the GM that hadn't been hired yet? There was zero chance we were drafting a QB high last year. Call it bad timing. Blame Pegula if you want for not having a more stable situation in place. But McDermott and Beane can't be held accountable for that.

 

Do you think McDermott mentioned in his interview that he couldn’t possibly draft a qb in his first year? 

 

How many months should a defensive coach get to evaluate college QBs? 

[Bing Bong]

2 minutes ago, Lv-Bills said:

Are you friggin serious?  They're tanking.  In many different forms of tank, but they're tanking.  The average teenager that reads the internet could put together a better offense.  There is no way Beane is this stupid to actually be "trying".

 

I'm actually giving him credit, while being pissed at the way they've done this.  Yeah, I'm saying there's no way he's this stupid.

Haha. I can only hope. Honestly, because a dude that made this offense with intentions of winning games is a scary proposition.

 

And rebuilding and tanking are the same thing as far as these guys go. Not many GMs go through such extreme measures.

[The_Dude]

I don’t know how to take that. I mean he’s basically saying ‘no, look, I’m really this bad at my job, you gotta believe me!’

[Bing Bong]

3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

 

Do you think McDermott mentioned in his interview that he couldn’t possibly draft a qb in his first year? 

 

How many months should a defensive coach get to evaluate college QBs? 

Idk but McD wasn't ignoring the college players at Carolina or anything. He was probably looking at lots of secondary targets getting toasted by Mahomes. It would have been very nice. But he's not perfect.

 

I'd like perfect though. That's what'll make us a dynasty to wreck the Bradyless Patriots into my 40s.

[MJS]

Pretty sickening seeing all these "fans" trashing McDermott and Beane all the time.

 

I personally support them and hope they succeed long term, and I am very impressed with what they did last year.

3 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Idk but McD wasn't ignoring the college players at Carolina or anything. He was probably looking at lots of secondary targets getting toasted by Mahomes. It would have been very nice. But he's not perfect.

 

I'd like perfect though. That's what'll make us a dynasty to wreck the Bradyless Patriots into my 40s.

 

So you think in his role as the defensive coordinator that McDermott was scouting college QB's? How and why?

[Dadonkadonk]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Fan talk. The team will try like hell to win. 

The players will try. The team is tanking for better draft position.  If Beane thinks this is a competitive team then he needs to go. But even he can't be that dumb. This is a full tank but he just can't say that publically. To his boss all he has to say is we got our QB now give me a year or two to build around him.

[Bing Bong]

12 minutes ago, MJS said:

Pretty sickening seeing all these "fans" trashing McDermott and Beane all the time.

 

I personally support them and hope they succeed long term, and I am very impressed with what they did last year.

 

So you think in his role as the defensive coordinator that McDermott was scouting college QB's? How and why?

To your first part. It's just funny. I can make fun of Whaley's silly PC's, Rex, Peterman.. Beane screwed up lol that's all. Otherwise a nonstory.

 

To your second part I'll repeat He was probably looking at lots of secondary targets getting toasted by Mahomes. 

 

He was certainly looking at Tre White. The guy was watching CFB for scouting. And he absolutely saw secondary players he wanted getting toasted by Mahomes. Still would have been the new hire coach with baggage Whaley balls to the wall longshot to draft Mahomes but we can dream for brass balls can't we?

[Bing Bong]

6 hours ago, zow2 said:

Just trying to stay patient here... I told myself I'd give them this offseason and 2019 to get this thing corrected.  We shall see.  But the success of the Bills and McBeane are directly tied to the success of Josh Allen.  

It's a nonstory. He got baited into a question he didn't Dodge is all.

[TigerJ]

I buy Beane's declaration that the Bills are not in tank mode.  I think he' fully understands the Bills aren't going anywhere this season, but he expects them to try and win games.  At the same time I think he's more cognizant about trying to make moves that will improve the team in future seasons going forward than he was at the start of the season.  As far as the QB position is concerned, I think the focus has to be developing Josh Allen in hopes that he develops into the franchise QB we all want.  I don't think that identifying a long term backup QB is an immediate concern.  I'm in the minority in that I don't think ope is gone with respect to Peterman.  I think his problems can be fixed, and while he doesn't have a cannon arm, he's got as much or more of an arm as other QBs who have been successful starters, to say nothing of successful backups.  I'm not married to him, though, and I'm not sure if he has enough potential to p... off that sizable segment of Bills fans that are ready to tar and feather him and McDermott too if he sticks with him.  Matt Barkley reminds me of a more experienced version of Nate Peterman.  Like Peterman, he lacks legendary arm strength.  He had a productive college career and a disappointing pro career, but he's young enough to think in terms of him having a long term stint as a backup if he can get it going.

Derek Anderson could probably go another 4-5 years if he wants to.  I'm not sure he wants to.  I don't think the Bills have to answer that question this weekend.

[NoSaint]

7 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Glenn was traded on March 12.  They knew exactly what their draft position would be.

 

Or did you mean some other position?

 

You see, they had to trade everything possible in case Tyrod led a depleted team to a great record, so they could draft a qb. 

 

Ignore the cordy part. 

Edited November 10, 2018 by NoSaint

[SinceThe70s]

8 hours ago, plenzmd1 said:

whats the difference between tanking and "growth mode"???just semantics..

 

they knew they were going to lose this year...but that does not mean they wanted to I guess. The Sabres WANTED to lose.

 

The difference to me is the notion that you're actually trying to lose any individual game. At best, I think that's rare.

 

Setting up your roster for a re-build with the understanding that it will be more difficult to win games is not tanking to me.

 

So are we tanking? IMO, no. But it's been so bad this year that it's reasonable to question their ability to re-build. I'll stay hopeful since rooting for another team and quitting on the sport aren't options for me right now.

[Bing Bong]

I DON'T TANK [ON PURPOSE] WHY EVER WOULD TOU EVEN ASK THAT QUESTION

[Straight Hucklebuck]

I read his statements. 

 

Sounds like a ton of excuses to be honest.

 

Especially the part where he turned it back on the fans/media when he chose to spend on defense. 

 

Him and McDermott keep talking about the Panthers. YOU’RE NOT IN CAROLINA BRANDON. 

 

 

You made one Super Bowl and lost and we get that shoved in our faces relentlessly. 

 

7 hours ago, K-9 said:

Is it possible Beane was referring to the need to have a clearly established QB coming into camp every year thus nullifying the need for any so called "competition" and rendering control of the position a moot point?

 

Ideally, McCarron would have won the "competition" hands down. He didn't rise to the occasion to say the least. Beane said as much when he said, "AJ wasn't who we thought he was." 

 

All that said, Beane and Co. screwed the pooch when McCarron's lack of ability showed itself and he didn't take immediate steps to get Anderson or any other veteran in to mitigate the disaster it became. 

How do you come to that conclusion when Anderson has played like hot garbage?

 

What good would it have done to get Anderson in here earlier? 

[Kwai San]

9 hours ago, Commonsense said:

McD is Megamind and Beane is that douche from the Matrix movies, just younger 

 

Many douches in the Matrix....which one?????

[K-9]

45 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I read his statements. 

 

Sounds like a ton of excuses to be honest.

 

Especially the part where he turned it back on the fans/media when he chose to spend on defense. 

 

Him and McDermott keep talking about the Panthers. YOU’RE NOT IN CAROLINA BRANDON. 

 

 

You made one Super Bowl and lost and we get that shoved in our faces relentlessly. 

 

How do you come to that conclusion when Anderson has played like hot garbage?

 

What good would it have done to get Anderson in here earlier? 

Good have been anyone. I just used Anderson since he’s the o e we ended up with and he was out there all along. My post certainly wasn’t any type of endorsement of Derek Anderson. Not by a long shot.

[Bing Bong]

44 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I read his statements. 

 

Sounds like a ton of excuses to be honest.

 

Especially the part where he turned it back on the fans/media when he chose to spend on defense. 

 

Him and McDermott keep talking about the Panthers. YOU’RE NOT IN CAROLINA BRANDON. 

 

 

You made one Super Bowl and lost and we get that shoved in our faces relentlessly. 

 

How do you come to that conclusion when Anderson has played like hot garbage?

 

What good would it have done to get Anderson in here earlier? 

Because present day players from the 2015 Panthers are better than anything else in the NFL lol. I mean look at the greatest achievement McBeane's been a part of! They'd be fools to not to mimic their Glory days... Wait. Where's Gettleman? This isn't a 2015 Panthers offense!

 

[Jerome007]

You guys are harsh. He made a lot of mistakes, and some moves didn't pan out. And he explained the situation pretty well, including that Tyrod's cap cost was a big factor in trading him. IDK what people expect him to say? Beg on his knees?

 

His 15-1 and 6-10 Panthers mentions are on point to anyone who has played any team game. Just like the playoff 9-7 Bills season was an anomaly, this awful season could be too though the offense sucks so bad - but he does have a point, good players are not just stocked on a shelf for GMs to pick them.

 

Anyway, it's all on the next two years. But if they lose as badly next year, they won't (well shouldn't) see 2020. Otherwise, the plan has been obvious, he explains it well, and this season sucks. Even more so if Allen and Edmund see little playing time. Otherwise, now that deception is digested, this year is judged on the young guys' progress. Too bad some good older players like Shady, Kyle, Lorax might not be here or too past their primes. And I wonder how vets feel being led by rookies... 

 

Crazy that Eric Woods not playing uses more cap space! They sure didn't plan to lose him!

 

 

Edited November 10, 2018 by Jerome007

[Jerome007]

5 hours ago, SoTier said:

 

• Trading Tyrod Taylor and keeping Nathan Peterman, incurring nearly $8 million in dead cap space that could have been used to sign more/better FAs.
• Giving up so much talent and draft capital to get Allen and Edmunds.  The draft is largely a crap-shoot, even with high picks, so giving up so much to get only two players when the team has so many needs isn't smart.  Except for the #1 pick,  first round QB prospects, are only successful about half the time, and Allen is the kind of prospect who is most likely to fail: a raw project in need of significant coaching.

Keeping Tyrod would have been way more costly in cap space! They would have had nothing for free agents. It's like you want to find any reason to bash Beane 

 

And if Allen and Edmunds become great, it will have been super wise moves. If they bust or are gone within a  few years,  quite the costly gambles. But I like that they go for broke and aim high, staking their jobs on it, rather then playing safe with 8-8 seasons. People bitched and moaned about that, and now it's all about having used to much picks for potential stars! At least they have guts. 

[twoandfourteen]

8 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

No, this is them building for the future.  The cost of that was not being able to field a better team THIS year.

 

Its mind boggling how hard it is for this board to cope with that.  I mean everyone here wanted Beane to trade practically our whole draft to get a QB, he did it for a fraction of that and still landed what looks like a future star in Edmunds.  Yet people are upset he didn’t magically find 3 WRs and 3 OL plus a TE at the same time.  

 

We had a ton of dead cap space to clear it out,  the very thing he said he was gonna do first and need 2 years to do.  He did it quicker than he said and now this team has a strong D and is able to focus on rebuilding the offense this next year now that they have the QB they want to build it with.  

 

Too many people can seem to differentiate between building a team and fielding a team.  Beane will never intentionally lose, but that doesn’t mean he didn’t make decisions that would make it harder to win short term to be in better position to win long term.  

 

Tanking means intending to lose.  McD and Beane go out there to win, even if it’s not likely.  They aren’t trying to lose.  But the after math of clearing out contracts and trading up twice in the first round to get cornerstone prospects is that it meant not addressing other needs this season and would make this season tougher to win games.  Add in some injury bad luck with Josh and it’s gotten tougher. 

 

and then we will see how well they are progressing.  Amazes me how much of the board is so out of touch with what’s really gone down.  

 

Exactly. 

 

People are upset because this coach & GM set off on a backwards plan to build around a defense & outdated running game first, rather than use all of their assets and capital to assemble a cutting-edge, high-octane offense that can make a team an actual contender. That should have been the priority from day 1.

 

Passing yards & lots of points are what consistently wins in the modern NFL. Speed kills. 

 

Yet, these two clowns continue to talk about "field position" & "the weather" & "establish the run".

 

 

[twoandfourteen]

5 hours ago, Lv-Bills said:

Are you friggin serious?  They're tanking.  In many different forms of tank, but they're tanking.  The average teenager that reads the internet could put together a better offense.  There is no way Beane is this stupid to actually be "trying".

 

I'm actually giving him credit, while being pissed at the way they've done this.  Yeah, I'm saying there's no way he's this stupid.

 

For who exactly? 

 

There really isn't a "can't miss" offensive star at the top of the next draft. If they're tanking for another defensive player, then they should be fired immediately for having absolutely no grasp on the modern NFL. 

 

While I'd like to agree with you, stubbornness & arrogance have sunk many a man throughout human history. It appears McD & BB have an overabundance of both. 

[BillsFan4]

Some People should really read the entire interview (not just the headline) before commenting on what Beane said.

Edited November 10, 2018 by BillsFan4

[PeterDude]

12 hours ago, 4_kidd_4 said:

 

quick mix;

 

 

 

Wow, that face for some reason looks like one you'd see on a Sat afternoon knocking on your door handing out pamphlets.

 

Scary...