(hypothetical) Alabama vs. Bills spread

[mannc]

45 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said:

 Alabama plays against teams that only have a couple guys that will make it to the NFL. Sometimes they play teams where no players will make the NFL. 

This is completely untrue.  Teams like LSU, Georgia, Auburn and the rest of the SEC teams on Bama’s schedule are packed with future NFL players.

 

Oh, and nowadays, guys who get drafted do in fact play in the NFL right away.  Very few drafted players get released as rookies.

[Kirby Jackson]

Well, here are the lines for other NFL teams vs. Alabama:

 

https://www.actionnetwork.com/nfl/alabama-spread-against-every-nfl-team-hypothetical-odds

 

Also, the Bills started and played 2 UDFA rookies from Alabama that had an impact in the game. Neither guy was a star at Bama either. That should give a sense for the level of talent that they are pumping out.

Edited November 13, 2018 by Kirby Jackson

[HappyDays]

Alabama is tied with the 4-5 Citadel Bulldogs at halftime. I just had to mention that.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

2 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Alabama is tied with the 4-5 Citadel Bulldogs at halftime. I just had to mention that.

 then  the bulldogs went on to only score 7 in the 2nd half falling 50-17 to Alabama. I just had to mention that.

Edited November 17, 2018 by no name

[HappyDays]

10 minutes ago, no name said:

 then  the bulldogs went on to only score 7 in the 2nd half falling 50-17 to Alabama. I just had to mention that.

 

Yep and for a half of football they couldn't put up more than 10 points against college players that are already planning other careers. I wonder what we would do to Alabama in a half of football if we didn't take our foot off the gas?

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

40 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yep and for a half of football they couldn't put up more than 10 points against college players that are already planning other careers. I wonder what we would do to Alabama in a half of football if we didn't take our foot off the gas?

annihilate them.

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, HappyDays said:

Alabama is tied with the 4-5 Citadel Bulldogs at halftime. I just had to mention that.

 

The part that I think should logically stand out but may be lost on you because you are really dug into your argument...

 

in the bills bama matchup- which team is the overwhelming favorite and which are the scrubs just trying to hang? 

 

I think its its easy to think that on any given day a bama team could probably hang for quite awhile with a little luck. A 30 point spread is pretty huge still. I don’t think anyone here is arguing that Bama is a better team but that they might be able to win a few matchups and with some good bounces or blown coverages keep it within 4 touchdowns 

[aceman_16]

On 11/11/2018 at 5:31 PM, mannc said:

Then how do you explain the fact that the Bills’ leading receiver today was a backup for Alabama 12 months ago?

 

Every starter on Alabama’s team will have a chance to play in the NFL, although of course not all will make it. The point is, the talent level is very high.  

I would absolutely take Alabama’s receiving corps this year over the Bills’. And if you think Alabama’s D-line would get obliterated by the Bills’ o-line, despite today’s performance, then we’ll just have to disagree.  

I love clueless posts /sarcasm

[mannc]

13 minutes ago, aceman_16 said:

I love clueless posts /sarcasm

Great post—absolutely devoid of thought and content.  How about explaining why you disagree rather than just taking a dump on the board.

[aceman_16]

1 hour ago, mannc said:

absolutely devoid of thought and content.

Thought = incorrect

Content = certainly

 

I take a dump on posts that are better off being flushed.

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[mannc]

Anyone who thinks it would be a total mismatch is kidding themselves.  This year’s team will have at least 12 guys drafted, and that’s just the guys who decide to come out. And that’s after having 12 guys drafted in 2018.  The Bills have two current starters who were 2018 UDFAs from Alabama and one didn’t even start for the Tide.

[PromoTheRobot]

I want to know if Alabama could beat the Sabres?

[NoHuddleKelly12]

How many players on the Bills roster right now are players on an NFL roster? Exactly. How many Bama players (who played the Citadel to a 10-10 halftime score last week) will end up on an NFL roster? Optimistically half of the squad? 75%? Just sayin’. Also, what kind of a difference maker is it to have Saban on the sidelines? In college, unreal. In the NFL, not so much (see, Dolphins experiment). You just can’t compare an oranges to apples world like this.  

[mannc]

52 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

How many players on the Bills roster right now are players on an NFL roster? Exactly. How many Bama players (who played the Citadel to a 10-10 halftime score last week) will end up on an NFL roster? Optimistically half of the squad? 75%? Just sayin’. Also, what kind of a difference maker is it to have Saban on the sidelines? In college, unreal. In the NFL, not so much (see, Dolphins experiment). You just can’t compare an oranges to apples world like this.  

How many first round draft

picks are on the Bills’ roster?  5, including Star and KB.  How many on Alabama?  Probably 10 guys who will be first round picks this year or next, plus another 7 or 8 who will be 2d or 3d rounders.  The Bills get one first round pick per year; Saban can sign 6 or 7 every year.  Pretty much every starter will either be drafted or will get a shot at the NFL as an UDFA.   There is no big talent disparity.  I’m not saying Alabama would win, but there’s every reason to believe it would be competitive.

[Buffalo716]

4 hours ago, mannc said:

Anyone who thinks it would be a total mismatch is kidding themselves.  This year’s team will have at least 12 guys drafted, and that’s just the guys who decide to come out. And that’s after having 12 guys drafted in 2018.  The Bills have two current starters who were 2018 UDFAs from Alabama and one didn’t even start for the Tide.

Foster doesn’t start for The Bills

 

and the Tide have at most 12 draftees this year... the Bills have 53 professionals 

 

40+ drafted. 

 

It wouldn’t be close

[iinii]

4 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

How many players on the Bills roster right now are players on an NFL roster? Exactly. How many Bama players (who played the Citadel to a 10-10 halftime score last week) will end up on an NFL roster? Optimistically half of the squad? 75%? Just sayin’. Also, what kind of a difference maker is it to have Saban on the sidelines? In college, unreal. In the NFL, not so much (see, Dolphins experiment). You just can’t compare an oranges to apples world like this.  

You can if you want to, compare that is. Saban out coaches McDermott any day of the week in any game being played. 

[Dave Allen]

7 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

So how many games does (Marcell) Dareus think the best Alabama team he played on would win?

“The NFL is way too strong, way too fast. There are too many dogs in the NFL,” Dareus says. “I’ll safely say four wins. We’d beat teams because they would make more mistakes than Alabama. We may not be as physical, but other teams would make mistakes we would not.”

[mannc]

5 hours ago, Buffalo716 said:

Foster doesn’t start for The Bills

 

and the Tide have at most 12 draftees this year... the Bills have 53 professionals 

 

40+ drafted. 

 

It wouldn’t be close

LOL.  As we just witnessed, Alabama has a true freshman who would be an immediate upgrade for the Bills at WR.  Oh, and Alabama has a better QB than the Bills do.

[GunnerBill]

2 hours ago, Dave Allen said:

So how many games does (Marcell) Dareus think the best Alabama team he played on would win?

“The NFL is way too strong, way too fast. There are too many dogs in the NFL,” Dareus says. “I’ll safely say four wins. We’d beat teams because they would make more mistakes than Alabama. We may not be as physical, but other teams would make mistakes we would not.”

 

I make Marcel about right. 3 or 4 wins against the bottom feeders. 

[Orlando Tim]

3 hours ago, iinii said:

You can if you want to, compare that is. Saban out coaches McDermott any day of the week in any game being played. 

Cause Saban was such a winner in Miami? He is great in Bama cause his talent is better than others

[RaoulDuke79]

3 hours ago, iinii said:

You can if you want to, compare that is. Saban out coaches McDermott any day of the week in any game being played. 

Is that why he jumped ship on the Dolphins and hightailed it back to college?

[boyst]

This remains the most absurd thread on the board. NFL greatly passes Alabama talent. The weakest NFL player on a roster is still a starter on an Alabama team in most cases.

 

No NCAA team could beat an NFL team.

[Buffalo716]

50 minutes ago, mannc said:

LOL.  As we just witnessed, Alabama has a true freshman who would be an immediate upgrade for the Bills at WR.  Oh, and Alabama has a better QB than the Bills do.

Alabama wouldn’t score 12 points verses our defense 

 

and the Bills would score 40.

 

This is a joke thought, that they can win

Edited November 25, 2018 by Buffalo716

[mannc]

18 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

This remains the most absurd thread on the board. NFL greatly passes Alabama talent. The weakest NFL player on a roster is still a starter on an Alabama team in most cases.

 

No NCAA team could beat an NFL team.

Congratulations.  You’ve just brought absolutely nothing to this thread.  And you’re wrong.

[Magox]

Alabama would be extremely lucky to win 2.  Most likely either 0 to 1 game.

 

 

[mannc]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:

Alabama wouldn’t score 12 points verses our defense 

 

and the Bills would score 40.

 

This is a joke thought, that they can win

The question wasn’t whether the Tide would beat the Bills; it was whether they could cover a 28-point spread.  

[boyst]

1 minute ago, mannc said:

Congratulations.  You’ve just brought absolutely nothing to this thread.  And you’re wrong.

That's one hell of a lazy retort.

 

What's more pathetic: the one who supposedly brought nothing or the one who confronts the other saying that they brought nothing and are wrong without any articulation on the subject?

 

Hold your breath, I won't bother considering any reply you make as it would be beneath me and a waste of my efforts of communicating with someone profoundly obtuse.

[Buffalo716]

2 minutes ago, mannc said:

The question wasn’t whether the Tide would beat the Bills; it was whether they could cover a 28-point spread.  

Thanks For clarification 

[RaoulDuke79]

23 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

This remains the most absurd thread on the board. NFL greatly passes Alabama talent. The weakest NFL player on a roster is still a starter on an Alabama team in most cases.

 

No NCAA team could beat an NFL team.

I'm not sure why this concept is so difficult for people to understand. 

[mannc]

1 minute ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I'm not sure why this concept is so difficult for people to understand. 

Because it’s probably not true?

[Orlando Tim]

5 minutes ago, mannc said:

The question wasn’t whether the Tide would beat the Bills; it was whether they could cover a 28-point spread.  

If the Bills cared i would pick Bills- but when it was 21-0 at halftime i think they might stop trying.

[RaoulDuke79]

Just now, mannc said:

Because it’s probably not true?

I guess the only reason these threads continue to go on is because either side will never be proven to be correct. Like  Lebron vs. Jordan or arguing who's the best RB. We all have our opinions I suppose. 

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I'm not sure why this concept is so difficult for people to understand. 

Because some talking heads on A network brought it up to fill a 24 hr news cycle on sports to generate buzz, because @SpoogeCreamer6969 put it on Twitter and used it to gain followers, because @SportsWriterFromJoesBasementSportsReport on YouTube did a video of it, because BleacherReport put up some on Instagram and because people don't actually consider reality to be worth considering.

 

It's made every now and again, a simple point.  The worst NFL quarterback ever was at one point one of the top 30 quarterbacks in college, which makes him one of the top in the country of high schoolers and still someone who excelled to a level of success beyond any of us will achieve in our professions.  To spend a season on an NFL roster is one of the toughest things to do, Nate Peterman included.

[mannc]

6 minutes ago, Boyst62 said:

That's one hell of a lazy retort.

 

What's more pathetic: the one who supposedly brought nothing or the one who confronts the other saying that they brought nothing and are wrong without any articulation on the subject?

 

Hold your breath, I won't bother considering any reply you make as it would be beneath me and a waste of my efforts of communicating with someone profoundly obtuse.

There’s not much to refute.  You’ve just stated a bare opinion with nothing to back it up, while tearing down the thread, which you’ve nonetheless deemed worth participating in.  Read some of the earlier posts; lots of folks have brought logical arguments to support their positions.  Feel free to do the same.

[atlbillsfan1975]

So when Bama loses will everyone change their tune? It’s going to happen . Bills would win by 30+. Btw why are the Bills the team this year people play this game with? Oakland stinks!!

[mannc]

4 minutes ago, RaoulDuke79 said:

I guess the only reason these threads continue to go on is because either side will never be proven to be correct. Like  Lebron vs. Jordan or arguing who's the best RB. We all have our opinions I suppose. 

Well, it’s certainly true that we’ll never really know the answer.  But there are some interesting data points, as well as opinions of various NFL players quoted in the article above, that suggest the game would be far more competitive than a lot of the dismissive posters here suggest.

[iinii]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Cause Saban was such a winner in Miami? He is great in Bama cause his talent is better than others

It wasn’t because he was scared of McBeane. 

1 hour ago, Buffalo Timmy said:

Cause Saban was such a winner in Miami? He is great in Bama cause his talent is better than others

Put the Koolaid down, it is affecting your brain.

[Bill Murray]

I think defensively we would manhandle them.  Our front four would overpower the line on every play.  Our CBs would outmatch their WRs both in physicality at the line and speed down the field.  All of this doesn’t take into account the vast difference in technique any NFL player has over a college player.

 

Take Shaq Lawson for example.  He has had a very slow start to his NFL career given his draft status, although has been coming along slowly but surly the past year and a half.  In college, against college competition, he was one of the best defensive players in the country, dominating on pure physical superiority.  You would have to think if he magically went back to college today, he would, at worst, reassert himself as one of the best players in the country.  More probably, he would be head and shoulders better now than he was when he left, making him likely the best defensive player in the nation.  He is not in the top 10 player on the bills, and is a rotational starter on our defensive line.  

 

On offense it may be harder to envision we dominate at first glance given how poor our offense has been.  Again I would submit we dominate them.  Our offensive line would easily control the line.  We just controlled the line all day against a Jets front four with immense NFL level talent.  But I think a more illustrative example would be looking at our RBs.  I would submit shady would be easily the best RB in college football if he magically went back to play college this season.  I really don’t think it would be close.  Some probably would argue this stating his age and that he has lost a step, but I think he would pull away from most college defenders.  Putting shady to the side however, just contemplate Chris Ivory.  The guy runs harder than anyone in the NFL; he is an absolute battering ram.  No college level DB and very very few safeties could bring him down.  He would literally run through them.  So considering that, i would submit, if we ran every single play we had the ball, and the defense knowing we were running, we would still average 5+ yards a carry on the back of the physicality of the line and our runners.

Edited November 25, 2018 by Bill Murray

[Talley56]

I’d like to see a Rams vs UConn spread.