Good Head Coaches

[kbarrettb]

So I have wanted to bring this up but didn't have time. The NFL is an offensive lead I think we can all agree to this or at least agree mostly about this. I was talking to a friend and we were talking about good head coaches and then we were talking about what side of the offensive defensive or special teams they coached before becoming head coaches. It got me thinking I don't hate McDermott I just think there are so few defensive good coaches in the league and in the league historically. We could only come up with Pete Carrol and Bill Belichick who were great head coaches who were defensive minded.

 

Total there are 21 Offensive head coaches 10 defensive head coaches and 1 special team head coach. Out of those coaches there are much more good coaches on the offensive side of the ball then there are defensive good head coaches.  I just think with the way the NFL is today you need a good offensive coach as the head coach. You can always find defensive coaches. But if you have a superior Offensive Coordinator the second he has a good year or even just people interested in him he is gone and he is basically taking your offensive system with him which messes with the QB if you have a good offensive head coach he runs his system he is there for the duration. 

[Rc2catch]

Rivera is a pretty good coach, also Marvin Lewis despite the playoff failures. Tomlin. Harbaugh. Just off the top of my head, quite a few super bowl appearances there 

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My ideology is simple, I expect my HC to field an elite unit on his side of the ball. So far I think McD can build a top 5 defense, if he can even just field a completely average offense we're golden. We have a ton of cap but I think the problem McD is going to have is his allowance. I think Terry is a fool if he let's McD spend 90 million. I would laugh hysterically if he did though and wonder how he became a billionaire. I'd like to see lots of 2-3 year deals we can get out of after 1 year.

[Watkins90]

13 minutes ago, kbarrettb said:

So I have wanted to bring this up but didn't have time. The NFL is an offensive lead I think we can all agree to this or at least agree mostly about this. I was talking to a friend and we were talking about good head coaches and then we were talking about what side of the offensive defensive or special teams they coached before becoming head coaches. It got me thinking I don't hate McDermott I just think there are so few defensive good coaches in the league and in the league historically. We could only come up with Pete Carrol and Bill Belichick who were great head coaches who were defensive minded.

 

Total there are 21 Offensive head coaches 10 defensive head coaches and 1 special team head coach. Out of those coaches there are much more good coaches on the offensive side of the ball then there are defensive good head coaches.  I just think with the way the NFL is today you need a good offensive coach as the head coach. You can always find defensive coaches. But if you have a superior Offensive Coordinator the second he has a good year or even just people interested in him he is gone and he is basically taking your offensive system with him which messes with the QB if you have a good offensive head coach he runs his system he is there for the duration. 

I count 13 defensive minded head coaches.  Of those 13, Rivera, McDermott, Lewis, Tomlin, Zimmer, Carroll, Bill B., and Quinn have made the playoffs in the last three seasons. Three — Matt Patricia, Steve Wilkes, and Mike Vrabel — are in their first year. Bowles and Joseph are awful. 

[The Senator]

 

I know of a good offensive-minded head coach out in Pullman, Washington - but I doubt he’d come to Buffalo.

 

 

[Watkins90]

10 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

My ideology is simple, I expect my HC to field an elite unit on his side of the ball. So far I think McD can build a top 5 defense, if he can even just field a completely average offense we're golden. We have a ton of cap but I think the problem McD is going to have is his allowance. I think Terry is a fool if he let's McD spend 90 million. I would laugh hysterically if he did though and wonder how he became a billionaire. I'd like to see lots of 2-3 year deals we can get out of after 1 year.

The ignorance on this message board is plain laughable. 

 

McBeane has said several times they want to build through the draft and use cap space to sign the good, homegrown players to extensions. 

 

McDermott isn't going to go out there and completely eff up the cap situation in one offseason that he has spent the last two helping to clean up. 

 

Can we please pay attention as fans. Please. 

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Just now, Watkins90 said:

The ignorance on this message board is plain laughable. 

 

McBeane has said several times they want to build through the draft and use cap space to sign the good, homegrown players to extensions. 

 

McDermott isn't going to go out there and completely eff up the cap situation in one offseason that he has spent the last two helping to clean up. 

 

Can we please pay attention as fans. Please. 

Mmmmm ok. I bet they spend 60 million or in that vicinity. Do you expect us to stay 90 million under the cap? Why would you even think that?

 

And this guy calls the entire board ignorant lol... Ok buddy.

 

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, kbarrettb said:

So I have wanted to bring this up but didn't have time. The NFL is an offensive lead I think we can all agree to this or at least agree mostly about this. I was talking to a friend and we were talking about good head coaches and then we were talking about what side of the offensive defensive or special teams they coached before becoming head coaches. It got me thinking I don't hate McDermott I just think there are so few defensive good coaches in the league and in the league historically. We could only come up with Pete Carrol and Bill Belichick who were great head coaches who were defensive minded.

 

Total there are 21 Offensive head coaches 10 defensive head coaches and 1 special team head coach. Out of those coaches there are much more good coaches on the offensive side of the ball then there are defensive good head coaches.  I just think with the way the NFL is today you need a good offensive coach as the head coach. You can always find defensive coaches. But if you have a superior Offensive Coordinator the second he has a good year or even just people interested in him he is gone and he is basically taking your offensive system with him which messes with the QB if you have a good offensive head coach he runs his system he is there for the duration. 

 

Weird, 14 of the last 20 SB's have been won by defensive Head Coaches... 

Weird, the two highest scoring offenses in NFL history had defensive HC's...

 

- How many playoff appearances does Brees have over last 8 years?  Despite 5000 yard season after 5000 yard season?  Hint:  not many

- How many SB appearances does Rogers, Brees and Ryan have?  1 each.

- How did the highest scoring offense in NFL history do in the SB after going 17-0 in reg season?  Put up 14 points and lost to a defensive team.

- How did the second highest scoring team in the league in 2011 do in the SB in a rematch of above SB?  Put up 17 points and lost to same defensive team.

- How did defensive minded Harbaugh do against offensive minded brother Harbaugh in SB?  Defensive minded won with mediocre offense.

- How did Brady avoid going 1-4 in his last 5 SB's?  Butler intercepted a pass on last play of game when Seattle foolishly didn't run on the goaline...otherwise Pats lose again to defensive minded team.  And had Atlanta not mismanaged the other SB, Pats should have lost that one too thanks to Atlanta Defense.

- How did Brady do last year setting Super Bowl passing records?  Still lost despite setting all kinds of SB records

- Who was the head coach of the all time highest scoring offense in NFL History?  John Fox - Defensive HC

- Who was the head coach of the 2nd all time highest scoring offense in NFL History?  Bill Belicheck - Defensive HC

 

I mean there are a lot of pieces of evidence that contradict your opinion on this matter.

 

TRUTH IS:  There are a LOT of ways to win today.  Offense is the trendy word of the day, but this isnt fantasy football.  We all want a fun offense to watch, but this false narrative that you need a offensive minded HC is just a trendy fan opinion and not really accurate.

 

Edited November 6, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[Watkins90]

1 minute ago, NewDayBills said:

Mmmmm ok. I bet they spend 60 million or in that vicinity. Do you expect us to stay 90 million under the cap? Why would you even think that?

 

And this guy calls the entire board ignorant lol... Ok buddy.

 

Where did I say they were going to stay 90 million under the cap. 

 

Come on, dude. Your first post made it sound like you think they'll go out there and blow all this money in long-term contracts, without realizing that McBeane has said all along they want to use cap money to sign homegrown players. 

 

Guess what, there is this little thing called the collective bargaining agreement. NFL teams have to spend at least 90 percent of their cap each year. 

 

If McBeane wants to keep money for resigning players, then they'll probably make a few splashy signings, but mostly have depth guys on short-term or one-year deals. 

 

I was simply pointing out that you made a statement that was completely false, and had you actually followed this team you'd have known what you were saying was complete nonsense. 

[row_33]

18 minutes ago, The Senator said:

 

I know of a good offensive-minded head coach out in Pullman, Washington - but I doubt he’d come to Buffalo.

 

 

 

 

it's not college boys running tinker-toy option plays through overmatched cupcakes every week

 

the NFL is a million times more than that

 

 

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Just now, Watkins90 said:

Where did I say they were going to stay 90 million under the cap. 

 

Come on, dude. Your first post made it sound like you think they'll go out there and blow all this money in long-term contracts, without realizing that McBeane has said all along they want to use cap money to sign homegrown players. 

 

Guess what, there is this little thing called the collective bargaining agreement. NFL teams have to spend at least 90 percent of their cap each year. 

 

If McBeane wants to keep money for resigning players, then they'll probably make a few splashy signings, but mostly have depth guys on short-term or one-year deals. 

 

I was simply pointing out that you made a statement that was completely false, and had you actually followed this team you'd have known what you were saying was complete nonsense. 

What statement is false? You accused me of saying that they were going to botch the cap, if you read my post you would see that I think Terry Pegula will put financial restraints on McD and Beane, so they won't even get the chance.

 

Spare me the lengthy response, don't put words in my mouth again. If you want to have a discussion, it will be an intellectually honest one and not whatever this is.

[Watkins90]

3 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

What statement is false? You accused me of saying that they were going to botch the cap, if you read my post you would see that I think Terry Pegula will put financial restraints on McD and Beane, so they won't even get the chance.

 

Spare me the lengthy response, don't put words in my mouth again. If you want to have a discussion, it will be an intellectually honest one and not whatever this is.

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The bolded statement is false because McBeane has said repeatedly they were going to save cap room for signing homegrown talent. That's what I was pointing out. 

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Just now, Watkins90 said:

The bolded statement is false because McBeane has said repeatedly they were going to save cap room for signing homegrown talent. That's what I was pointing out. 

Who is up for a contract? I can't think of anyone. Nothing I said was false, nothing. Seems you're arguing with me over an opinion or statement I did not make, really weird. 

[Chuck Wagon]

11 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

 

it's not college boys running tinker-toy option plays through overmatched cupcakes every week

 

the NFL is a million times more than that

 

 

 

 

If you think Leach has built his career on winning games against over matched cupcakes, you aren't paying attention.  

 

 

The NFL is moving more and more towards the air raid offense.  I think Leach would be a very interesting option in this NFL climate. 

[Best Player Available]

55 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

My ideology is simple, I expect my HC to field an elite unit on his side of the ball. So far I think McD can build a top 5 defense, if he can even just field a completely average offense we're golden. We have a ton of cap but I think the problem McD is going to have is his allowance. I think Terry is a fool if he let's McD spend 90 million. I would laugh hysterically if he did though and wonder how he became a billionaire. I'd like to see lots of 2-3 year deals we can get out of after 1 year.

Seriously? " If he can field even a COMPLETELY average offense we're golden" 

Golden what? please enlighten us on how an average offense is golden in this era of NFL football. 

BTW, the Bills are around 4th in available cap nest year. And a lot of those 10 picks are

in later rounds. Every team in the league will make improvements. 90 M is not going to flip this trash offense. in a year. 

The Panthers don't have 90M worth of trash FA's to help Beane out. 

[MPT]

1 hour ago, Watkins90 said:

The ignorance on this message board is plain laughable. 

 

McBeane has said several times they want to build through the draft and use cap space to sign the good, homegrown players to extensions. 

 

McDermott isn't going to go out there and completely eff up the cap situation in one offseason that he has spent the last two helping to clean up. 

 

Can we please pay attention as fans. Please. 

 

What else would they say? That they're going to squander $90 million on overpriced free agents? 

 

Judging by the constant turnover of GM's in sports, I think it's far more ignorant to blindly assume that one will accomplish his goals just because he said it in a press conference. 

[cgg716]

Everybody making defense arguments I think are just missing how much the league has titled towards offense, with the rules in the last 2-3 years. And it’s not about to swing back. 

 

Take that 2007 Giants-Pats SB. The front four made Brady nervous, hit him just after throws, now those are 15 yard flags. Guys like Bradshaw, Jacobs, Manningham, made impacts, slower, physical runners and receivers. Modern NFL is all spacing and speed, those guys and that style are relics now.

 

NE understands this, cut Blount, relay on smaller quicker guys like White, get them in space and the already hamstrung defenses can do little.

 

Evolution is needed at OBD, and I don’t see anything about McDermott or his coaching, staff, player, or in game decisions, suggesting it’s coming 

[K-9]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Weird, 14 of the last 20 SB's have been won by defensive Head Coaches... 

Weird, the two highest scoring offenses in NFL history had defensive HC's...

 

- How many playoff appearances does Brees have over last 8 years?  Despite 5000 yard season after 5000 yard season?  Hint:  not many

- How many SB appearances does Rogers, Brees and Ryan have?  1 each.

- How did the highest scoring offense in NFL history do in the SB after going 17-0 in reg season?  Put up 14 points and lost to a defensive team.

- How did the second highest scoring team in the league in 2011 do in the SB in a rematch of above SB?  Put up 17 points and lost to same defensive team.

- How did defensive minded Harbaugh do against offensive minded brother Harbaugh in SB?  Defensive minded won with mediocre offense.

- How did Brady avoid going 1-4 in his last 5 SB's?  Butler intercepted a pass on last play of game when Seattle foolishly didn't run on the goaline...otherwise Pats lose again to defensive minded team.  And had Atlanta not mismanaged the other SB, Pats should have lost that one too thanks to Atlanta Defense.

- How did Brady do last year setting Super Bowl passing records?  Still lost despite setting all kinds of SB records

- Who was the head coach of the all time highest scoring offense in NFL History?  John Fox - Defensive HC

- Who was the head coach of the 2nd all time highest scoring offense in NFL History?  Bill Belicheck - Defensive HC

 

I mean there are a lot of pieces of evidence that contradict your opinion on this matter.

 

TRUTH IS:  There are a LOT of ways to win today.  Offense is the trendy word of the day, but this isnt fantasy football.  We all want a fun offense to watch, but this false narrative that you need a offensive minded HC is just a trendy fan opinion and not really accurate.

 

Outstanding. Especially the last paragraph. 

 

I still can’t appreciate calling Belichick a defensive coach just because he came into the league and made his initial reputation on that side of the ball. He’s just as much a master of offensive football as well, as you alluded to. But I won’t quibble. Good post, Alpha.

[The Senator]

1 hour ago, row_33 said:

 

 

it's not college boys running tinker-toy option plays through overmatched cupcakes every week

 

the NFL is a million times more than that

 

 

 

Really?  ‘Cause I’m fairly certain that ‘bama could beat these Bills.

 

Hell , UB could probably beat these Bills.

Edited November 6, 2018 by The Senator

[Heitz]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Weird, 14 of the last 20 SB's have been won by defensive Head Coaches... 

Weird, the two highest scoring offenses in NFL history had defensive HC's...

...

 

TRUTH IS:  There are a LOT of ways to win today.  Offense is the trendy word of the day, but this isnt fantasy football.  We all want a fun offense to watch, but this false narrative that you need a offensive minded HC is just a trendy fan opinion and not really accurate.

 

 

Quiet you - no one wants facts muddying up their opinions.

 

I mean, the NFL is an offensive lead and there are much more good coaches on the offensive side of the ball.  ?

 

 

(and for real A7, thanks for always bringing a fact gun to these knife fights  )

[LSHMEAB]

The good teams are generally never well under the cap. They find ways to restructure, etc.

 

It would be asinine to think there's a long term advantage to staying comfortably under the cap.

[The Senator]

 

Well, I suppose if your defense can put points on the board, that strategy might work.

 

If your offense can’t score, you’re screwed.  Statement of fact.

 

The Sabres outscored the Bills last weekend.

 

Edited November 6, 2018 by The Senator

[mabden]

2 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

Who is up for a contract? I can't think of anyone. Nothing I said was false, nothing. Seems you're arguing with me over an opinion or statement I did not make, really weird. 

 

 

 

Cannot answer for this coming offseason, but the history of the Bills is we draft good players and watch them sign with other teams because they were "too expensive."  Robert Woods comes immediately to mind as a recent example.   We have potential young talent on this team; milano, edmunds, dawkins, lawson, white, yarbourgh, poyer, hyde and who knows how our rookies (7 active, 1 IR, and 4 PS) will pan out.  Granted resigning these guys are a few years down the road, but blowing all our cap space in one year does not sound like the way to build a Consistent winner.

Edited November 7, 2018 by mabden

[NoSaint]

2 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

Who is up for a contract? I can't think of anyone. Nothing I said was false, nothing. Seems you're arguing with me over an opinion or statement I did not make, really weird. 

 

We cut or traded almost every rookie contract more than 18 months old. We are spending on outside talent 

[bills11]

5 hours ago, kbarrettb said:

So I have wanted to bring this up but didn't have time. The NFL is an offensive lead I think we can all agree to this or at least agree mostly about this. I was talking to a friend and we were talking about good head coaches and then we were talking about what side of the offensive defensive or special teams they coached before becoming head coaches. It got me thinking I don't hate McDermott I just think there are so few defensive good coaches in the league and in the league historically. We could only come up with Pete Carrol and Bill Belichick who were great head coaches who were defensive minded.

 

Total there are 21 Offensive head coaches 10 defensive head coaches and 1 special team head coach. Out of those coaches there are much more good coaches on the offensive side of the ball then there are defensive good head coaches.  I just think with the way the NFL is today you need a good offensive coach as the head coach. You can always find defensive coaches. But if you have a superior Offensive Coordinator the second he has a good year or even just people interested in him he is gone and he is basically taking your offensive system with him which messes with the QB if you have a good offensive head coach he runs his system he is there for the duration. 

Great head coaches have their fingerprints all over the team..you can still have a defensive background and be a great coach..what separates caroll and belichick from some other defensive coaches is that even tho they have  a background in defence they are still very involved in the offensive aspect of their teams heavily and have input in the game plan and actively involve themselves in every phase..then you have coaches who are pretty much hands off and let the coordinators do the grunt which doesnt work if your coordinators dont perform see jason garett mcdermott and jeff fisher

[iinii]

5 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

Who is up for a contract? I can't think of anyone. Nothing I said was false, nothing. Seems you're arguing with me over an opinion or statement I did not make, really weird. 

That is what struck me about the debate. If you aren’t going to spend the savings why create them to such a large extent? Process is all about the draft pick, which requires losing while watching a lot of film?

[kbarrettb]

6 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

Rivera is a pretty good coach, also Marvin Lewis despite the playoff failures. Tomlin. Harbaugh. Just off the top of my head, quite a few super bowl appearances there 

Rivera is a good head coach. Marvin ehh ask a Bengals fan they want him gone. Tomlin is a defensive head coach but he didn't bring his defense he kept the defensive scheme as when he got there, if you read stuff on Tomlin he is much more an overseer as someone that puts in his play book. John Harbaugh was a special teams coach before becoming a head coach.

5 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Weird, 14 of the last 20 SB's have been won by defensive Head Coaches... 

Weird, the two highest scoring offenses in NFL history had defensive HC's...

 

- How many playoff appearances does Brees have over last 8 years?  Despite 5000 yard season after 5000 yard season?  Hint:  not many

- How many SB appearances does Rogers, Brees and Ryan have?  1 each.

- How did the highest scoring offense in NFL history do in the SB after going 17-0 in reg season?  Put up 14 points and lost to a defensive team.

- How did the second highest scoring team in the league in 2011 do in the SB in a rematch of above SB?  Put up 17 points and lost to same defensive team.

- How did defensive minded Harbaugh do against offensive minded brother Harbaugh in SB?  Defensive minded won with mediocre offense.

- How did Brady avoid going 1-4 in his last 5 SB's?  Butler intercepted a pass on last play of game when Seattle foolishly didn't run on the goaline...otherwise Pats lose again to defensive minded team.  And had Atlanta not mismanaged the other SB, Pats should have lost that one too thanks to Atlanta Defense.

- How did Brady do last year setting Super Bowl passing records?  Still lost despite setting all kinds of SB records

- Who was the head coach of the all time highest scoring offense in NFL History?  John Fox - Defensive HC

- Who was the head coach of the 2nd all time highest scoring offense in NFL History?  Bill Belicheck - Defensive HC

 

I mean there are a lot of pieces of evidence that contradict your opinion on this matter.

 

TRUTH IS:  There are a LOT of ways to win today.  Offense is the trendy word of the day, but this isnt fantasy football.  We all want a fun offense to watch, but this false narrative that you need a offensive minded HC is just a trendy fan opinion and not really accurate.

 

Let's go with each argument. 

Brees has been to the playoffs more times than not and has won a super bowl

Rodgers Brees and Ryan have been to super bowl once. How many times have they been to the playoffs? 

So you are saying the 16-0 regular season Patriots weren't good because they didn't win the super bowl? HAHA ok....

John Harbaugh was a special teams coach

Brady has gone 5-2 in super bowls and look at his numbers, just because the defense made one play means nothing

brady put up 500 yards passing i think he did ok 

John Fox was the head coach but Peyton Manning was the QB and they fired Fox and made the OC the head coach and they won the super bowl the next year. That was easy.

Bill Bellichik look at the numbers of brady when he had this OC rather then when they didn't have McDaniels. Bill is a mastermind of scheme and changes the playbook to fit who they are playing no other coach in football does this. Also Bill is the greatest coach of all time. He is the unicorn.

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, kbarrettb said:

Rivera is a good head coach. Marvin ehh ask a Bengals fan they want him gone. Tomlin is a defensive head coach but he didn't bring his defense he kept the defensive scheme as when he got there, if you read stuff on Tomlin he is much more an overseer as someone that puts in his play book. John Harbaugh was a special teams coach before becoming a head coach.

Let's go with each argument. 

Brees has been to the playoffs more times than not and has won a super bowl

Rodgers Brees and Ryan have been to super bowl once. How many times have they been to the playoffs? 

So you are saying the 16-0 regular season Patriots weren't good because they didn't win the super bowl? HAHA ok....

John Harbaugh was a special teams coach

Brady has gone 5-2 in super bowls and look at his numbers, just because the defense made one play means nothing

brady put up 500 yards passing i think he did ok 

John Fox was the head coach but Peyton Manning was the QB and they fired Fox and made the OC the head coach and they won the super bowl the next year. That was easy.

Bill Bellichik look at the numbers of brady when he had this OC rather then when they didn't have McDaniels. Bill is a mastermind of scheme and changes the playbook to fit who they are playing no other coach in football does this. Also Bill is the greatest coach of all time. He is the unicorn.

 

Several of your “facts” are wrong.

[LABILLBACKER]

All I know is the days of 100M contracts to players like Mario Williams & Dareus are over for the Bills. I'm not expecting them to come anywhere near the 90M this season but please start giving life support to our offense.

Edited November 7, 2018 by LABILLBACKER

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8 hours ago, Best Player Available said:

Seriously? " If he can field even a COMPLETELY average offense we're golden" 

Golden what? please enlighten us on how an average offense is golden in this era of NFL football. 

BTW, the Bills are around 4th in available cap nest year. And a lot of those 10 picks are

in later rounds. Every team in the league will make improvements. 90 M is not going to flip this trash offense. in a year. 

The Panthers don't have 90M worth of trash FA's to help Beane out. 

I do believe we can improve enough to have an ok offense and with this defense I think we could really play some good competitive football. Defense is our identity, we just need an offense that can put up 21pts and we will be a playoff team.

[Thurman#1]

10 hours ago, Rc2catch said:

Rivera is a pretty good coach, also Marvin Lewis despite the playoff failures. Tomlin. Harbaugh. Just off the top of my head, quite a few super bowl appearances there 

 

 

Yeah. Zimmer's good. Quinn's really good.

 

Offensive guys are the latest trend, but the bottom line is that it's not which side a guy comes from, it's how good a head coach he is.

 

7 hours ago, NoSaint said:

 

We cut or traded almost every rookie contract more than 18 months old. We are spending on outside talent 

 

 

We did that cutting and trading in a salary cap purge and because a number of guys didn't fit the system.

 

They've made it very clear they will build through the draft and fill in with FAs, but not highly-priced ones. And this is the blueprint of nearly every team that's been consistently successful in the NFL in the last fifteen or twenty years.

[Thurman#1]

10 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

 

Who is up for a contract? I can't think of anyone.

 

 

 

Who is up for a contract?

 

Kelvin Benjamin. I get it if people don't want to re-sign him, but he's up. If he comes cheap, who knows?

 

Jordan Phillips. He's looked really good.

 

Eddie Yarbrough. IMHO they'd really like to keep him.

 

Lorax. He won't get anything long-term but I bet they'd love to keep him another year or two.

 

Derek Anderson. They might want to keep him as a QB mentor for Josh.

 

John Miller, Jordan Mills, Ryan Groy and Jeremiah Sirles. Not a lot of cornerstones there, but they might easily want to keep a couple of these guys, with the intention of bringing in guys who will outplay them and make them second-teamers.

 

Terrelle Pryor. Not sure what he is, at this point but they could easily want to keep him.

 

Guys who they might want to re-sign this off-season or during the year next year rather than wait till they become FAs in 2020:  Chris Ivory. McCoy, though I doubt it. Bodine, Ducasse, Hughes, Julian Stanford.

 

No, they won't sign all of them, not a chance. But many? Yeah, the ones they think fit. Would that take $90 mill? Not even close, of course. But do they have to spend all of it? Or even 90%? Nope. The league as a whole has to spend 90% of it's cap, but that isn't usually a problem. Look at the Browns and Colts, who each still have more than $50 mill on the cap right now. SF has $36 mill and Tennessee $23 mill. The salary cap is $177 mill this year and the Jets still have $19 mill. That's five teams that spent less than 90% this year. We may well be one of those teams next year.

 

But I'd expect them to bring in a bunch of low- and mid-priced guys to fill holes and build depth.

 

Spending it won't be a problem. But if they have a bunch left, that's also not a problem.

 

 

Edited November 7, 2018 by Thurman#1

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36 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Who is up for a contract?

 

Kelvin Benjamin. I get it if people don't want to re-sign him, but he's up. If he comes cheap, who knows?

 

Jordan Phillips. He's looked really good.

 

Eddie Yarbrough. IMHO they'd really like to keep him.

 

Lorax. He won't get anything long-term but I bet they'd love to keep him another year or two.

 

Derek Anderson. They might want to keep him as a QB mentor for Josh.

 

John Miller, Jordan Mills, Ryan Groy and Jeremiah Sirles. Not a lot of cornerstones there, but they might easily want to keep a couple of these guys, with the intention of bringing in guys who will outplay them and make them second-teamers.

 

Terrelle Pryor. Not sure what he is, at this point but they could easily want to keep him.

 

Guys who they might want to re-sign this off-season or during the year next year rather than wait till they become FAs in 2020:  Chris Ivory. McCoy, though I doubt it. Bodine, Ducasse, Hughes, Julian Stanford.

 

No, they won't sign all of them, not a chance. But many? Yeah, the ones they think fit. Would that take $90 mill? Not even close, of course. But do they have to spend all of it? Or even 90%? Nope. The league as a whole has to spend 90% of it's cap, but that isn't usually a problem. Look at the Browns and Colts, who each still have more than $50 mill on the cap right now. SF has $36 mill and Tennessee $23 mill. The salary cap is $177 mill this year and the Jets still have $19 mill. That's five teams that spent less than 90% this year. We may well be one of those teams next year.

 

But I'd expect them to bring in a bunch of low- and mid-priced guys to fill holes and build depth.

 

Spending it won't be a problem. But if they have a bunch left, that's also not a problem.

 

 

I'd take Lorax and Jordan Phillips for sure, but if you go back to my post it was in response to the idea that the 90 million in cap is going towards our own players which is absolutely not true. No offense and please don't take this personally but 90% of the players you listed are #1 garbage and #2 cheap.

[Thurman#1]

1 hour ago, NewDayBills said:

I'd take Lorax and Jordan Phillips for sure, but if you go back to my post it was in response to the idea that the 90 million in cap is going towards our own players which is absolutely not true. No offense and please don't take this personally but 90% of the players you listed are #1 garbage and #2 cheap.

 

 

I wouldn't take personally a statement that is opinion and not really very thoughtful opinion. Please don't worry about my feelings, and don't take this personally yourself. Why would I take offense at something that I think is mostly wrong? One or two might be (relatively) garbage. Some might not fit. Some might be replaced cheaper. Some might be cheap to sign. And there are also some guys who are good and will cost some money.  I mentioned Jerry Hughes, Jordan Phillips, Eddie Yarbrough, a year or two of Lorax and guys who could easily become more expensive depending how they play the next year or so such as Julian Stanford, Ducasse and Terrelle Pryor. They could very easily and reasonably spend a pretty good chunk of money on this group and an extra $2 to $5 mill on a few of the cheaper guys as well.

 

And the guy you were responding to in no way said that the whole $90 mill is going towards our own players. So if that's what you were responding to, you were missing the point.

 

And again, as I pointed out, there is no requirement for them to spend all or most of the $90 mill next year.

Edited November 7, 2018 by Thurman#1

[Avisan]

14 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I wouldn't take a statement that is opinion and not very thoughtful opinion personally at all. Why would I take offense at something that I think is mostly wrong?

Dude, just take a break.  If you are straight-up unable to post without being condescending, stop posting.

[Thurman#1]

 

2 minutes ago, Avisan said:

Dude, just take a break.  If you are straight-up unable to post without being condescending, stop posting.

 

 

Good advice. Add the words "... condescending and insulting ..." and you should strongly consider it yourself.

Edited November 7, 2018 by Thurman#1

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

11 hours ago, The Senator said:

 

Really?  ‘Cause I’m fairly certain that ‘bama could beat these Bills.

 

Hell , UB could probably beat these Bills.

 

Asinine

[Ridgewaycynic2013]

Did anyone else read the thread title and think an entirely different subject?

 

[NoSaint]

4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Yeah. Zimmer's good. Quinn's really good.

 

Offensive guys are the latest trend, but the bottom line is that it's not which side a guy comes from, it's how good a head coach he is.

 

 

 

We did that cutting and trading in a salary cap purge and because a number of guys didn't fit the system.

 

They've made it very clear they will build through the draft and fill in with FAs, but not highly-priced ones. And this is the blueprint of nearly every team that's been consistently successful in the NFL in the last fifteen or twenty years.

 

Gutting the roster of every day 1 or 2 pick they didn’t oersonally make is not the blueprint. To do it that quickly is a major outlier.

[Chris66]

16 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Weird, 14 of the last 20 SB's have been won by defensive Head Coaches... 

Weird, the two highest scoring offenses in NFL history had defensive HC's...

 

- How many playoff appearances does Brees have over last 8 years?  Despite 5000 yard season after 5000 yard season?  Hint:  not many

- How many SB appearances does Rogers, Brees and Ryan have?  1 each.

- How did the highest scoring offense in NFL history do in the SB after going 17-0 in reg season?  Put up 14 points and lost to a defensive team.

- How did the second highest scoring team in the league in 2011 do in the SB in a rematch of above SB?  Put up 17 points and lost to same defensive team.

- How did defensive minded Harbaugh do against offensive minded brother Harbaugh in SB?  Defensive minded won with mediocre offense.

- How did Brady avoid going 1-4 in his last 5 SB's?  Butler intercepted a pass on last play of game when Seattle foolishly didn't run on the goaline...otherwise Pats lose again to defensive minded team.  And had Atlanta not mismanaged the other SB, Pats should have lost that one too thanks to Atlanta Defense.

- How did Brady do last year setting Super Bowl passing records?  Still lost despite setting all kinds of SB records

- Who was the head coach of the all time highest scoring offense in NFL History?  John Fox - Defensive HC

- Who was the head coach of the 2nd all time highest scoring offense in NFL History?  Bill Belicheck - Defensive HC

 

I mean there are a lot of pieces of evidence that contradict your opinion on this matter.

 

TRUTH IS:  There are a LOT of ways to win today.  Offense is the trendy word of the day, but this isnt fantasy football.  We all want a fun offense to watch, but this false narrative that you need a offensive minded HC is just a trendy fan opinion and not really accurate.

 

Game has changed even since McDermott was hired. Also your using Bellichick as just a defensive guy to prove your point. Thats his offense Pats have been running for the past 18 years.