Josh Allen is all that matters

[BananaB]

I wasn’t high on Allen coming out but to be honest the only guy I really liked was Baker.  I think Allen shows some good things at times but has a lot to work on. The more I see of Peterman and the more this staff talks about how well he does in practice and how much they believe in him makes me think they have no clue evaluating QBs. So who knows how Allen will turn out. It could be an ugly few years

[freddyjj]

44 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

 

IMHO there bigger failure than QB was their handling of the Oline.  Bills lost 3 starters vs 2015/2016 teams - Wood, Glenn and Richie.  Severely overestimated Ducasse and Miller's capabilities. Both are NFL backup quality players.   At OT, Newhouse, McDermott were barely NFL roster players prompting them to deal Newhouse and sign Serles mid-season.  As for C, neither Groy nor Bodine are capable NFL starters - again, like QB,  there was a competition where the competitors themselves were not worthy entrants.

 

Going into 2019 I would keep Dawkins, Serles, Boetgger and Teller.  Draft a franchise  LT and move Dawkins to LG.  SIgn a C and RT in FA and let the 2 kids fight it out at RG.  Bid farewell to Mills, Ducasse, Miller and Groy.   Bodine and Serles are backups in 2019.

from another thread.  OBD needs to double down in FA and land a C and RT for 2019.

[jrober38]

41 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

You are categorically wrong.  You are so off base and illogical about this that I am not even going to comment any further.  

 

Everything I said was factual.

The roster is filled with guys they went out and got.

 

Our terrible group of receivers is composed of guys they specifically targeted through trades. 

 

The result of their roster building, is having the worst offense in 20+ years. 

25 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

We’re barely though the first half of Year #1 in this offense. With three quarterbacks - two of which have no business being in the league, the other an extremely raw rookie.

 

One of the guys you're referring to is McDermott's pet. 

He's had a thing for Peterman dating back to last year when he forced him on the field thinking he'd be better than Tyrod.

 

It's not like Peterman is playing by accident. They made him the damn starter in week 1. 

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Everything I said was factual.

The roster is filled with guys they went out and got.

 

Our terrible group of receivers is composed of guys they specifically targeted through trades. 

 

The result of their roster building, is having the worst offense in 20+ years. 

 

One of the guys you're referring to is McDermott's pet. 

He's had a thing for Peterman dating back to last year when he forced him on the field thinking he'd be better than Tyrod.

 

It's not like Peterman is playing by accident. They made him the damn starter in week 1. 

In my opinion they were trying to save Josh Allen from this horror show of an offense by starting Peterman.......

 

And know it was not the right choice...the right choice would have been a vet guy with movement skills so Allen could hold a clip board for a while.....which Peterman on the practice squad or god forbid playing against us on another team.

[jrober38]

9 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

In my opinion they were trying to save Josh Allen from this horror show of an offense by starting Peterman.......

 

And know it was not the right choice...the right choice would have been a vet guy with movement skills so Allen could hold a clip board for a while.....which Peterman on the practice squad or god forbid playing against us on another team.

 

No, they started him because he was their best QB in camp and earned the job over Allen and McCarron. 

 

Say what you want, but I guarantee the Bills thought they were building off this season. I think they thought their current QBs would be an upgrade over Taylor, that their OL would be more cohesive, and that their WRs would improve. 

 

Not a single one of those things materialized. These guys simply can't evaluate talent on the offensive side of the ball. 

[Wayne Arnold]

19 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

Everything I said was factual.

The roster is filled with guys they went out and got.

 

Our terrible group of receivers is composed of guys they specifically targeted through trades. 

 

The result of their roster building, is having the worst offense in 20+ years. 

 

One of the guys you're referring to is McDermott's pet. 

He's had a thing for Peterman dating back to last year when he forced him on the field thinking he'd be better than Tyrod.

 

It's not like Peterman is playing by accident. They made him the damn starter in week 1. 

 

I don’t know how to explain Peterman. I liked him out of Pitt. Looked good in the preseason of 2017. Anyone who watched practices and preseason games will tell you that he bested McCarron rather handily. He’s bad in games.

 

I don’t think that should be counted against McDermott twice. And I wouldn’t call him McD’s pet considering if it weren’t for Allen’s injury he would have been off the roster weeks ago.

[John from Riverside]

9 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

No, they started him because he was their best QB in camp and earned the job over Allen and McCarron. 

 

Say what you want, but I guarantee the Bills thought they were building off this season. I think they thought their current QBs would be an upgrade over Taylor, that their OL would be more cohesive, and that their WRs would improve. 

 

Not a single one of those things materialized. These guys simply can't evaluate talent on the offensive side of the ball. 

Peterman was NEVER going to be the future of this team.......and how anyone can say they were biulding off last year I dont understand...they didnt have the HORSES to biuld off last year.......

[Augie]

College basketball is about to start.   ?

[Wayne Arnold]

1 minute ago, Augie said:

College basketball is about to start.   ?

 

Best post I’ve read in weeks. Go ?range

[K-9]

1 hour ago, TaskersGhost said:

 

McBeane's futures in Buffalo are single-handedly tied ot Allen.  

 

As a reminder, Allen was the costliest QB in this past Draft, he essentially cost us four day 1 & 2 picks considering that we could have taken Edmunds with the 12th overall, which would have been a wise decision, then take Rudolph who had far less risk late in round 3 and then wait til next year while using picks 22nd, 53rd, 56th, and 65th picks for OL & WR.  

 

But Allen was "their guy" that they thought selling the farm for was wise.  There's zero possibility that their careers, here as well as as GM & HC elsewhere, are not directly tied to Allen.  

Sold the farm? More like they expanded the farm first and then parceled off a few acres instead. They had 8 picks in the last draft, including 2 in the first round and currently have 10 picks in next year’s draft. Retaining that many draft selections is not the definition of  selling the farm. 

 

We we can argue that they should have kept the extra acres instead and I get that, but I don’t fault Beane for executing his plan, especially in the short term, to position himself to select the players he had targeted. That’s why he acquired those extra acres in the first place.

Edited November 5, 2018 by K-9

[jrober38]

12 minutes ago, John from Riverside said:

Peterman was NEVER going to be the future of this team.......and how anyone can say they were biulding off last year I dont understand...they didnt have the HORSES to biuld off last year.......

 

What are you talking about?

 

They went to the playoffs last year!!!

[GoBills808]

22 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

What are you talking about?

 

They went to the playoffs last year!!!

Yeah, through good coaching. 

[jrober38]

2 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

Yeah, through good coaching. 

 

The offense was bad all year but the defense played well. Overall he did a decent job coaching.

 

All of the problems are on the player personnel side. They've completely mismanaged the roster, particularly on the Offensive side of the ball over the past two seasons. 

[Fadingpain]

1 hour ago, dakrider said:

The Bills offense has proven itself to be among the NFL's worst.  I'm not sure how some on here could think a raw rookie quarterback could step right in and save it all.   I'm not happy about Josh Allen's injury but I am happy he's been able to sit a few games and watch now.  I hope he comes back after the bye and things get better  but can't expect miracles with this offense. 

What in the world do you think he is learning about playing QB in the NFL as he stands on the sideline and watches?

Especially with the likes of Anderson and Nate playing QB?

 

He will learn by playing and only by playing.  Hopefully he can come back soon.

 

 

[GoBills808]

1 minute ago, jrober38 said:

 

The offense was bad all year but the defense played well. Overall he did a decent job coaching.

 

All of the problems are on the player personnel side. They've completely mismanaged the roster, particularly on the Offensive side of the ball over the past two seasons. 

I can't call it mismanaged without seeing what they do next year. If people don't understand that the majority of the moves they've made, and the ones they haven't, have been with an eye toward 2019...well, I don't know what to tell them. 

 

This isn't a case of 'wait till next season'. Any fan of this team should be able to understand that without knowing the outcome of 2019, rendering judgement on this FO is an incomplete exercise.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

Everything I said was factual.

The roster is filled with guys they went out and got.

 

Our terrible group of receivers is composed of guys they specifically targeted through trades. 

 

The result of their roster building, is having the worst offense in 20+ years. 

 

One of the guys you're referring to is McDermott's pet. 

He's had a thing for Peterman dating back to last year when he forced him on the field thinking he'd be better than Tyrod.

 

It's not like Peterman is playing by accident. They made him the damn starter in week 1. 

 

This is where you are categorically WRONG. They did not BUILD this offense.  You at like this offense is their INTENT.  They filled in holes where they had to.  Beane did not draft Zay Jones.  The only WR Beane went out and really got was KB, and the ONLY reason he did that was because the Bills SURPRISED last year and were in the playoff hunt and needed some help.  Had the Bills NOT been in playoff hunt, ZERO percent chance Beane trades a 3rd.  KB had some bad luck and got hurt.  

 

They have NOT begun the offensive roster rebuild outside of adding the QB.  In one draft, Beane managed to trade up TWICE inside the FIRST round WITHOUT giving up ANY future first round picks (something unheard of today) and landed his QB on O and the guy to QB the defense for the next decade in Edmunds.  He then also landed Taron and Phillips, both guys who look good so far.  Thats one hell of a first draft in terms of early returns so far.  

 

We had cap issues and Beane has said many times it would take TWO years to fix it, and he did it in less than that.  Going into this next year, our D looks to be on a great path and we already have our QB.  The NEXT phase is going to be addressing OL and WR, and wouldn't surprise me to see them look at TE as well.  They have a ton of cap room and 10 draft picks to fill those spots.  

 

If you think this offense is their "rebuild" then you are just delusional.  EVERYTHING they did to this point is about the future, NOT this year.  If you think this was about winning this year then you need your head examined.  We won't know what their offense looks like until we see the moves this make after the season in FA and draft and how Allen matures next year.  

 

So sorry, you categorically wrong in your flawed assessment.  They may or may not succeed in the rebuild, but what we do KNOW today, is that this offense is not what they are building, its the result of having two OL retire and having to spend to get important pieces at QB and on the D.  YOU CAN NOT FIX IT ALL IN ONE DRAFT.

[dakrider]

2 minutes ago, Fadingpain said:

What in the world do you think he is learning about playing QB in the NFL as he stands on the sideline and watches?

Especially with the likes of Anderson and Nate playing QB?

 

He will learn by playing and only by playing.  Hopefully he can come back soon.

 

 

Learning how to prepare for games, dissecting defenses and preparing your game plan.  And I think Anderson should help in that regard.   

As I and others on here have mentioned, takes time to learn how to be an nfl qb.  Mahomes sat most of last year.  Tom Brady sat his entire first year.  I think they both learned a few things sitting. 

[jrober38]

27 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I can't call it mismanaged without seeing what they do next year. If people don't understand that the majority of the moves they've made, and the ones they haven't, have been with an eye toward 2019...well, I don't know what to tell them. 

 

This isn't a case of 'wait till next season'. Any fan of this team should be able to understand that without knowing the outcome of 2019, rendering judgement on this FO is an incomplete exercise.

 

I think you can argue this about the OL, but I genuinely think they went into this season thinking they could win with what they have at QB, WR/TE and RB.

 

In all seriousness I think the moves they made last offseason had them thinking they'd be better this year. 

 

I think they thought they upgraded at OC, I think they thought Benjamin would bounce back and Jones would take a big step forward, and I think they blamed Tyrod for most of the offenses struggles last year and thought this year's QBs would represent a big upgrade. 

 

When you hear McDermott, it isn't the voice of a guy who expected the offense to be bad. He seems genuinely shocked that they're bad. He sounds like a guy who doesn't have any answers because he got it so wrong at the drawing board stage. 

 

Obviously they were clearing out bad contracts, but I feel that they thought this year's offense would be better than last years, and we'd slowly be building upon our 9-7 record from last season. I think this is a HC who hates losing, and although they're would be ups and downs with young QBs, I think overall they were happy with their offensive personnel heading into this season. 

Edited November 5, 2018 by jrober38

[GoBills808]

46 minutes ago, jrober38 said:

 

I think you can argue this about the OL, but I genuinely think they went into this season thinking they could win with what they have at QB, WR/TE and RB.

 

In all seriousness I think the moves they made last offseason had them thinking they'd be better this year. 

 

I think they thought they upgraded at OC, I think they thought Benjamin would bounce back and Jones would take a big step forward, and I think they blamed Tyrod for most of the offenses struggles last year and thought this year's QBs would represent a big upgrade. 

 

When you hear McDermott, it isn't the voice of a guy who expected the offense to be bad. He seems genuinely shocked that they're bad. He sounds like a guy who doesn't have any answers because he got it so wrong at the drawing board stage. 

 

Obviously they were clearing out bad contracts, but I feel that they thought this year's offense would be better than last years, and we'd slowly be building upon our 9-7 record from last season. I think this is a HC who hates losing, and although they're would be ups and downs with young QBs, I think overall they were happy with their offensive personnel heading into this season. 

Last paragraph we are in agreement. I don't think they necessarily saw this offense being as bad as it is. That's a mark against them and it's valid. But realistically, between a cheap McCarron and a not-yet-terrible Peterman, if Allen doesn't get injured we're talking about whether or not he's the long-term answer instead of worrying about a terrible offense and clueless FO. That's a different conversation and outlook on this FO and it's due IMO entirely to that injury which nobody could have predicted. Injuries hurt, and at QB they hurt worst of all. NFL truism.

 

And that said...it would STILL hinge on 2019. That's why I'm comfortable waiting 3 years. For the people who've already made up their minds re: Allen, they are ready to move on. Me, everything is still on the table. 

[Alphadawg7]

5 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

So this regime has earned to 2020 based off what???  Blowout loss after blowout loss?

 

We aren't losing because of bad coaching, we are losing because our rookie QB is hurt and the rest of the offense just doesn't have enough talent on it in a rebuilding year where they focused on fixing the cap and getting key pieces in place like Allen and Edmunds.  This isnt like Cleveland where there is a bunch of talent being misused.  Our HC is going to be here until the end of next season where he will either be an ascending HC coming off a much improved season, or a HC on a hot seat if the team is not headed in the right direction (Beane and McD both).

[dave mcbride]

8 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

We aren't losing because of bad coaching, we are losing because our rookie QB is hurt and the rest of the offense just doesn't have enough talent on it in a rebuilding year where they focused on fixing the cap and getting key pieces in place like Allen and Edmunds.  This isnt like Cleveland where there is a bunch of talent being misused.  Our HC is going to be here until the end of next season where he will either be an ascending HC coming off a much improved season, or a HC on a hot seat if the team is not headed in the right direction (Beane and McD both).

If they're bad next year (2019) and are in that 4-12 region, they won't deserve further support. I hope their plan works out, but I'm worried because their current offensive foundation is so abjectly terrible. I don't see how you fix that in one off-season. Outside of possibly Allen (the jury is out) and Dawkins, I don't see any promising players on the entire unit. I suppose Jones might work as a middling starting-quality #3, but that's it. When there's a big step forward, it's usually built on an already-existing foundation. The Bills don't have that.  

[LSHMEAB]

2 hours ago, Augie said:

College basketball is about to start.   ?

Go Blue!

[Wayne Arnold]

1 hour ago, jrober38 said:

 

The offense was bad all year but the defense played well. Overall he did a decent job coaching.

 

All of the problems are on the player personnel side. They've completely mismanaged the roster, particularly on the Offensive side of the ball over the past two seasons. 

 

Almost as if they had $55 million of dead cap or something...

 

 

Edited November 5, 2018 by Wayne Arnold

[MAJBobby]

5 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel said:

 

So them making the playoffs last year just gets brushed aside because they're transitioning this roster for the future?

I have thanked Andy Dalton and Tyler Boyd enough

5 hours ago, Rigotz said:

 

This is the problem.

There's a huge contingent of dumb fans that want to run every single coach and GM out of town in year 2.

 

We made the playoffs in year 1 and that still wasn't enough for these f*ing people. A rebuild takes time.

If you want to build lasting success you can't do the same year-to-year garbage that these fans seem to want for some reason.

Thank you Andy Dalton and Tyler Boyd

31 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

We aren't losing because of bad coaching, we are losing because our rookie QB is hurt and the rest of the offense just doesn't have enough talent on it in a rebuilding year where they focused on fixing the cap and getting key pieces in place like Allen and Edmunds.  This isnt like Cleveland where there is a bunch of talent being misused.  Our HC is going to be here until the end of next season where he will either be an ascending HC coming off a much improved season, or a HC on a hot seat if the team is not headed in the right direction (Beane and McD both).

Really we are not losing because of coaching?  Who built this team?  What Philosophy was it built in? And when has this team EVER looked ready to play? Minny for a half?

[Alphadawg7]

1 minute ago, dave mcbride said:

If they're bad next year (2019) and are in that 4-12 region, they won't deserve further support. I hope their plan works out, but I'm worried because their current offensive foundation is so abjectly terrible. I don't see how you fix that in one off-season. Outside of possibly Allen (the jury is out) and Dawkins, I don't see any promising players on the entire unit. I suppose Jones might work as a middling starting-quality #3, but that's it. When there's a big step forward, it's usually built on an already-existing foundation. The Bills don't have that.  

 

I agree with you on that.  This is a very important offseason for Beane and McD both.  Allen is the future and they need to retool and put more talent around this kid to better his chances to succeed.  I dont know that record will be as important as just seeing significant improvement though.  I mean, this is a young team and will be even younger next year potentially with all these draft picks.  There may be some growing pains early, but they can survive those as long as the team keeps improving and finishes the season strong and showing its going in the right direction.  

 

This team can make a Rams or Bears type jump next year just like both those teams did if they follow suit and get the OL stabilized and rebuild the WR group this offseason.  

[Augie]

IF we have the QB, the rest will generally take care of itself (unless you are the old Colts regime, but that’s another story). 

[RochesterRob]

5 hours ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

 

 

Regardless, they still won 9 games with a roster that many thought would result in the #1 overall pick before the season began.

  How soon that they forget the talk of opening weekend 2017.

[Alphadawg7]

24 minutes ago, MAJBobby said:

Really we are not losing because of coaching?  Who built this team?  What Philosophy was it built in? And when has this team EVER looked ready to play? Minny for a half?

 

First of all, coaches coach, and FO offices build teams.  

 

But even so...you said "Built this team"!?!?  You are confusing "fielding" a team with "building" a team.  The fact you think this is what they "built" is puzzling.  Beane said day one it would take 2 years to fix the cap, he did it in less.  He also got the QB prospect and defensive anchor this draft along with two other promising young players in Taron and Phillips.  

 

They have not even begun to build the offense yet, NOT begun.  This tired notion going around here of "this is what they built" is ridiculously off base.  They have to field a team still, this is not even close to the finished product on the offensive rebuild where the ONLY long term piece Beane has added to it is Allen.  

 

Last year, the ONLY reason Beane traded for KB was because McD took a team NO ONE thought would compete and put it in position to make the playoffs.  So Beane decide to try and help us get there and went and got KB.  Had the Bills NOT been in contention for playoffs, KB trade NEVER happens.  

 

Everything they have done thus far is for the future NOT this year.  I cant even fathom how anyone can come to some crazy conclusions that THIS is the rebuilt offense.  I mean they literally have not started outside of Allen.  And I dont want to hear about Zay either, has nothing to do with BEANE the guy who is building this offense.  He had ONE draft so far.  

[RochesterRob]

3 hours ago, K-9 said:

Sold the farm? More like they expanded the farm first and then parceled off a few acres instead. They had 8 picks in the last draft, including 2 in the first round and currently have 10 picks in next year’s draft. Retaining that many draft selections is not the definition of  selling the farm. 

 

We we can argue that they should have kept the extra acres instead and I get that, but I don’t fault Beane for executing his plan, especially in the short term, to position himself to select the players he had targeted. That’s why he acquired those extra acres in the first place.

  To boot we pulled a Mr Haney by selling a less than promising QB (Taylor) to the Haney Place (farm) of the NFL namely the Cleveland Browns.  Just a Green Acres metaphor to go with your farm analogy.

[TheFunPolice]

Based on the fact that they keep finding defensive players I am willing to wait and see what they find on offense.

 

Draft 2 WR, sign another one in free agency, and draft a lineman or two as well in round 2-4.

 

 

[K-9]

8 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  To boot we pulled a Mr Haney by selling a less than promising QB (Taylor) to the Haney Place (farm) of the NFL namely the Cleveland Browns.  Just a Green Acres metaphor to go with your farm analogy.

[RochesterRob]

7 minutes ago, K-9 said:

  Mr Douglas, can I interest you in a genuine (gen-u-wine) QB that is sitting on the back of my truck?

[GoBills808]

32 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

First of all, coaches coach, and FO offices build teams.  

 

But even so...you said "Built this team"!?!?  You are confusing "fielding" a team with "building" a team.  The fact you think this is what they "built" is puzzling.  Beane said day one it would take 2 years to fix the cap, he did it in less.  He also got the QB prospect and defensive anchor this draft along with two other promising young players in Taron and Phillips.  

 

They have not even begun to build the offense yet, NOT begun.  This tired notion going around here of "this is what they built" is ridiculously off base.  They have to field a team still, this is not even close to the finished product on the offensive rebuild where the ONLY long term piece Beane has added to it is Allen.  

 

Last year, the ONLY reason Beane traded for KB was because McD took a team NO ONE thought would compete and put it in position to make the playoffs.  So Beane decide to try and help us get there and went and got KB.  Had the Bills NOT been in contention for playoffs, KB trade NEVER happens.  

 

Everything they have done thus far is for the future NOT this year.  I cant even fathom how anyone can come to some crazy conclusions that THIS is the rebuilt offense.  I mean they literally have not started outside of Allen.  And I dont want to hear about Zay either, has nothing to do with BEANE the guy who is building this offense.  He had ONE draft so far.  

Repeat.

 

Repeat.

 

Repeat.

[VW82]

6 hours ago, The_Dude said:

Josh Allen is the most important thing. And McDumbass is not the guy to entrust Allen or the Bills future with. His offensive ineptitude is clear. 

 

Yes we've seen that McBeane has a blind spot on offense and in particular with QBs, but we've also seen that he's an incredible defensive coach and someone who can help his team overachieve (see last year's playoff team that never should have made the playoffs). 

 

It's clear we went defense first by design in order to keep us competitive. These guys deserve one more year to fix the other side of the ball. After all, this is a rebuild and those take time. If we're still completely inept offensively next year McBeane will likely be shown the door. I suspect we'll be better though with another off season of signings and drafting. 

Edited November 6, 2018 by VW82

[Alphadawg7]

9 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

End of 2020?

 

Theyll be gone if the offense and team are still struggling and losing towards the end of the 2019 season.

 

They have already demonstrated severe misjudgement on the offensive side of the football. You think that will be ok to continue into the 2020 season?

Both those teams fired their head coaches in favor of young offensive minds. 

 

Irrelevant.  McD broke a 17 year drought with a bad offense too.  You do NOT have to be a Offensive HC to win in the NFL.  The greatest dynasty of our generation is led by a defensive guru.  

 

Those 2 teams fired 2 BAD coaches.  We do not yet know if McD is bad or good, but this year is not the year to make that judgement.  The team has its rookie QB of the future hurt, and no talent on the offense to make up for it.  Defense is in great shape for next year, and they will heavily address the offensive deficiencies.  Then we will start to see what kind of a HC we got long term.

[Alphadawg7]

6 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

He went 9-7. Such high standards. 

 

What is irrelevant? 

 

If the offense is still bottom of the league(right now it's an outright disaster) and the team is losing by the end of 2020 they will both be gone, IMO.

 

 

I agree with that, its about next year and how much this team progresses and improves with new offensive pieces we bring in and on Allens development.  

 

I said its irrelevant becuase those were bad coaches that got fired.  They did NOT get fired because they are defensive coaches, they got fired for being bad HC.  Fisher having a job as long as he did was a freaking joke.  Again, the greatest dynasty of our generation in the NFL has a defensive HC.  McD has one and a half seasons on his resume, and the only full one he did what many, scratch that, what MOST posters here said would be impossible...make the playoffs with a TT led offense.  

 

You seem to want to declare him a bad HC on grounds he comes from a defensive background, and thats not fair to him.  

Edited November 6, 2018 by Alphadawg7

[nedboy7]

You guys should read the rockpile review posted earlier here  to get a sense of real analysis of the coaching this season. It’s a good write up.  He is not angry or a kid or delusional or a tyrod lover. 

Also here is a good write up on the concept of rebuilding in the NFL. 

 

https://www.fieldgulls.com/2018/6/1/17415246/what-is-an-nfl-rebuild-anyway-seahawks-browns-cardinals-astros

[HappyDays]

6 hours ago, The Firebaugh Kid said:

Next year when 80% of the offense is different personnel, we will find out if Allen is progressing. This year is a tank year. Sucks because we are not entertained, but next year theres no excuses for McBeane. 

 

Yeah I understand the frustration a lot of fans have. I'm good with the tank but watching it happen is still hard. But McDermott and Beane aren't going anywhere after this season. The Pegulas signed onto a tear down so they can't get cold feet now or good luck getting any future prospective coaches to trust you. We're gonna see this through to the end. If the offense isn't at least average next year there will be legitimate questions about this regime's future. Right now they are safe.

[GoBills808]

6 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

Yeah I understand the frustration a lot of fans have. I'm good with the tank but watching it happen is still hard. But McDermott and Beane aren't going anywhere after this season. The Pegulas signed onto a tear down so they can't get cold feet now or good luck getting any future prospective coaches to trust you. We're gonna see this through to the end. If the offense isn't at least average next year there will be legitimate questions about this regime's future. Right now they are safe.

I'm not happy with this season. I think if you got the straight talk from the FO they'd tell you they made some mistakes, especially at QB. But rationally you HAVE to see what they do in 2019 before you write them off. That's where I'm at.

[DuckyBoys]

They traded off assets to get Allen than did everything in their power to make things as difficult as possibly for him to have any early success.  That is basically the season in a nutshell. Off season reps were wasted in a competition between a top 10 draft pick and two bums one of whom whined and quit on the team and demanded a trade. What little cap money they had they poured into defense instead of getting the qb at least some help . They could have got the offense some help on the line but traded multiple picks for Edmunds.   Last years offense sucked so we strip it down even more.

 

Why are McCoy, Clay and Benjamin still here?  If you are tanking then just tank but dont do it half way.  Go full Gruden