Bangarang Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: Yeah, 20% of it. But I could have sworn that one fourth of their 20% resulted in ending the playoff drought. I honestly have no idea what you’re trying to argue with this. What does this have to do with fans being called impatient? Should we be okay with going back to being a mediocre team because we made the playoffs once in nearly 2 decades? Edited October 16, 2018 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, K-9 said: Yeah, 20% of it. But I could have sworn that one fourth of their 20% resulted in ending the playoff drought. Thank you Cincy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkirchofer Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, vorpma said: Maybe we just have an ignorant, impatient fan base; maybe that is the problem! You know that the "process" is not going to end with a competitive football team. That dream ended when they decided Nate Peterman was the starter. All it ends with is another coaching search and a mishandled 2019 draft class. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) It's amazing to me how many people seem to be offended or bothered by a picture that's meant to be funny. Calling people ignorant and say it's not right to show Elmo snorting coke. Last time I checked we're all adults on here. It's a freaking picture, relax Edited October 16, 2018 by Buffalo03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, Bangarang said: I honestly have no idea what you’re trying to argue with this. What does this have to do with fans being called impatient? Should we be okay with going back to being a mediocre team because we made the playoffs once in nearly 2 decades? It has nothing to do with fans being impatient. Like I said previously, I’m not disagreeing with your larger point about fans and their impatience. You mentioned 2 decades of futility. I merely pointed out that the Pegulas and current administration own a small fraction of those two decades and that a portion of that small fraction ended 17 years of the playoff futility that fans have suffered through. You made a point. I agreed with it and sought to add some context. Nothing more. No need to argue it further. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: It's amazing to me how many people seem to be offended or bothered by a picture that's meant to be funny. Calling people ignorant and say it's not right to show Elmo snorting coke. Last time I checked we're all adults on here. It's a freaking picture, relax Who said its Cocaine? Maybe its sugar? He is making a choice between it and healthy fruits and vegetables? Who ever had to make a choice between fruits and vegetables and cocaine? 10 minutes ago, K-9 said: Yeah, 20% of it. But I could have sworn that one fourth of their 20% resulted in ending the playoff drought. But that playoff appearance doesnt count cause they, unlike any other team in the history of sports, needed assistance to make it in and when they did, were not true SB contenders which they must be or else it's not worth it cause you dont get a high draft pick.... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: Thank you Cincy Total fluke of the playoff formula to be sure. Never thought otherwise. But I’m also not disingenuous enough to totally dismiss the 9-7 record it took to be in that position in the first place. Feel free to put an asterisk next to it if it makes you feel better. 1 minute ago, apuszczalowski said: Who said its Cocaine? Maybe its sugar? He is making a choice between it and healthy fruits and vegetables? Who ever had to make a choice between fruits and vegetables and cocaine? But that playoff appearance doesnt count cause they, unlike any other team in the history of sports, needed assistance to make it in and when they did, were not true SB contenders which they must be or else it's not worth it cause you dont get a high draft pick.... The Pegulas should have declined the playoff birth instead. It would have been the honorable thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wsam4031 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, row_33 said: still waiting since Jim Kelly was finished.... that is patience beyond endurance for almost every other pro and amateur franchise I agree anyone that post on this board has been a bills fan long enough to have rooting interest. we have all been patient long enough. Not how anyone can call any bills fan impatient Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, PearlHowardman said: Pegulas. They are the problem Consider starting a NOW thread, they are all the rage. As in, The NFL Should Force the Pegula's to Sell NOW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perry Turtle Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 3 minutes ago, K-9 said: It has nothing to do with fans being impatient. Like I said previously, I’m not disagreeing with your larger point about fans and their impatience. You mentioned 2 decades of futility. I merely pointed out that the Pegulas and current administration own a small fraction of those two decades and that a portion of that small fraction ended 17 years of the playoff futility that fans have suffered through. You made a point. I agreed with it and sought to add some context. Nothing more. No need to argue it further. The Pegulas have had 3 head coaches and two GMs. They had to fire their team president because he followed the Michael Scott method for running the front office. In a league that has been trending hard toward offense the last two years, they've hired two defensive coaches. In a league where it has become essential to have QBs who can read defenses, the only attribute the GMs they hired seem to value is "arm talent." No doubt that the Pegulas are great for the franchise and great for the city. But they have had more than enough opportunities to fix the franchise. They own this now. Holding them accountable for it is not a bad thing. The whole QB situation is a blight on the franchise, and it needs to be addressed. The Pegulas need to be part of the solutiom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, row_33 said: still waiting since Jim Kelly was finished.... that is patience beyond endurance for almost every other pro and amateur franchise Entirely different front office and ownership. But IF you feel the personal need to hold them accountable for all that to make you feel better...... have at it!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 31 minutes ago, vorpma said: You are a very misguided person; try to understand football is entertainment! You're on an internet message board preaching positivity and patience to a Buffalo Bills fanbase that has dealt with decades of futility. And you're doing it following the THIRD helping of Nate Petetman's unprecedented garbage. When every man, woman, child, or otherwise in the football world said he should have gone after the first or second dumpster fire. And now it's possible that against all odds, Peterman may have another go. And you don't think people have a right to be upset? I'd say if anyone's misguided here - it's you. Edited October 16, 2018 by BillsFanForever19 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: You're on an internet message board preaching positivity and patience to a Buffalo Bills fanbase that has dealt with decades of futility. And you're doing it following the THIRD helping of Nate Petetman's unprecedented garbage. When every man, woman, child, or otherwise in the football world said he should have gone after the first or second dumpster fire. I'd say if anyone's misguided - it's you. Have not posted anything on Nate Peterman, I am preaching patience with the Pegula's, McDermott, and Beane! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, vorpma said: Have not posted anything on Nate Peterman, I am preaching patience with the Pegula's, McDermott, and Beane! Nope. But thanks for asking Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 53 minutes ago, vorpma said: No argument, but the Pegulas inherited a failed organization with a losing culture and it's going to take time! Hey Einstein, I was sitting in War Memorial Stadium in 1966, my father in 1960; I attended the 1966 AFL playoff game and lived through 1968, 1971, 1976, 1977, 1984; you cannot even begin to imagine bad! So grow up junior! You tell 'em, pops! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: You’re calling the fans who endured a 17 year playoff drought and have been waiting 2 decades for a good QB impatient? Interesting. ......and don’t forget ignorant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 How Peterman hasn’t been cut yet is baffling. Cut. Move on. He’s terrible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, Jay_Fixit said: How Peterman hasn’t been cut yet is baffling. Cut. Move on. He’s terrible. He is McD choice. Will not move off his decision doubling and tripling down on a mistske Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Perry Turtle said: The Pegulas have had 3 head coaches and two GMs. They had to fire their team president because he followed the Michael Scott method for running the front office. In a league that has been trending hard toward offense the last two years, they've hired two defensive coaches. In a league where it has become essential to have QBs who can read defenses, the only attribute the GMs they hired seem to value is "arm talent." No doubt that the Pegulas are great for the franchise and great for the city. But they have had more than enough opportunities to fix the franchise. They own this now. Holding them accountable for it is not a bad thing. The whole QB situation is a blight on the franchise, and it needs to be addressed. The Pegulas need to be part of the solutiom. Of course they own it now. Never implied otherwise. And they’ve certinaly made some questionable decisions along the way. Feel free to blame them for everything that’s occurred over the last four years as it’s all on their watch. My only point is that when we, as fans, lament two decades of futility, it’s important to remember they are only a small portion of that time span. Perhaps it’s my experience with far more trying times I’ve experienced with this franchise that gives me that perspective. For instance, if you want to talk futility, how’s this: For the 25 year period from 1960 through 1984, the Buffalo Bills owned the worst winning percentage of ANY team in ANY of the four major professional sports leagues in America. Talk about futility indeed! When I compare that winning percentage with that of the team since the Pegulas took over? Let’s just say they have to fall far, far lower. Edited October 16, 2018 by K-9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted October 16, 2018 Author Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, aceman_16 said: Entirely different front office and ownership. But IF you feel the personal need to hold them accountable for all that to make you feel better...... have at it!! We understand that was an entirely different front office but that doesn't change the fact that we as fans have been waiting over 20 years for a franchise QB. Your argument makes no sense Edited October 16, 2018 by Buffalo03 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 What's funny about this front office/coaching staff is that they need more time to evaluate Nate and come to the conclusion everyone else (probably even his family too) have come to which is that he is not an NFL QB, but they can determine in just a few weeks that a player they just gave up a pick for (Coleman) is worth taking dead cap space to have off the team in only a couple of weeks during the preseason. The current QB situation is just another in a long line of questionable personel mistakes made by this group. How they did not have a veteran to mentor Allen here from the start, or bring in someone after week 1 to prepare and have ready just in case this happened is a fireable offence in most places..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaBu Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, Bangarang said: You’re calling the fans who endured a 17 year playoff drought and have been waiting 2 decades for a good QB impatient? Interesting. The inferred impatience is with the new coach & gm. To expect them to turn the direction of the long mismanaged team in a year and a half is the definition of that. Further, to think they were able to get the team in the playoffs in their first year, while trying to position it for a roster for the long run, was significant in itself. Geez, give these guys at least 3 years with their finger prints all over it, they weren't responsible for the 17 lost years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, jabu said: The inferred impatience is with the new coach & gm. To expect them to turn the direction of the long mismanaged team in a year and a half is the definition of that. Further, to think they were able to get the team in the playoffs in their first year, while trying to position it for a roster for the long run, was significant in itself. Geez, give these guys at least 3 years with their finger prints all over it, they weren't responsible for the 17 lost years. I’m not, and I don’t think anyone else is, bling them for the last 17 years. What I will say is that there some very clear poor decisions and roster management moves that don’t instill the greatest amount of confidence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, row_33 said: still waiting since Jim Kelly was finished.... that is patience beyond endurance for almost every other pro and amateur franchise I'll be generous and start the clock from Flutie Flakes on, old and washed up as he was, he still provided a very entertaining and solid stretch while he was here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Best Player Available Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 53 minutes ago, jkirchofer said: You know that the "process" is not going to end with a competitive football team. That dream ended when they decided Nate Peterman was the starter. All it ends with is another coaching search and a mishandled 2019 draft class. Hot take! Who did they draft in 2019? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
apuszczalowski Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 7 minutes ago, jabu said: The inferred impatience is with the new coach & gm. To expect them to turn the direction of the long mismanaged team in a year and a half is the definition of that. Further, to think they were able to get the team in the playoffs in their first year, while trying to position it for a roster for the long run, was significant in itself. Geez, give these guys at least 3 years with their finger prints all over it, they weren't responsible for the 17 lost years. Sorry, but this front office/coaching staff doesnt deserve the benefit of the doubt and more time. They made their choices by dealing away players on this roster with talent to collect draft picks. They put themselves in a huge cap crunch this year by taking dead cap hits by dealing away players and bringing guys in only to drop them and accumulate more. They decided to neglect the offence and QB position this offseason and continue to do so. They chose to draft the biggest QB risk in this draft and go with the player who wasnt ready to play for a while because IF he can develop, he could have a higher ceiling then the rest of the QBs drafted. They also decided on taking the QB who needed the most work and polish to be an NFL QB and have him a WR coach as his QB coach, a QB room where the 3 QBs in training camp had I believe under 1 years worth of starts in the NFL combined, and an OC who has not been very successful in his previous NFL stints. They decided to continue the tear down this offseason instead of building on what they had here last year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JTown Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 18 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said: What's funny about this front office/coaching staff is that they need more time to evaluate Nate and come to the conclusion everyone else (probably even his family too) have come to which is that he is not an NFL QB, but they can determine in just a few weeks that a player they just gave up a pick for (Coleman) is worth taking dead cap space to have off the team in only a couple of weeks during the preseason. The current QB situation is just another in a long line of questionable personel mistakes made by this group. How they did not have a veteran to mentor Allen here from the start, or bring in someone after week 1 to prepare and have ready just in case this happened is a fireable offence in most places..... I said the same thing five weeks ago and got called impatient amongst many other things. The hope of Allen saving the season is now over, so now many are slowly questioning the "process". While I never asked for McD or Beane to be fired. I clearly question their decisions of not bring in a veteran Qb, or keeping McCarron, not to mention the lack of quality WR and Oline. I told everyone that this would not work out well after week 1. Btw: What is the process? Does anyone know? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaBu Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, Bangarang said: I’m not, and I don’t think anyone else is, bling them for the last 17 years. What I will say is that there some very clear poor decisions and roster management moves that don’t instill the greatest amount of confidence. If you put a microscope on any particular decisions made in any organization you will find disagreement. Some prove out in the long run, some don't. What about the poor decisions Belichek has made through the years (signing Gillislee to big money, among many others) has it hamstrung that team? Though I don't agree with all of them, I see this organization making better decisions than any management here in the last 20 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Buffalo03 said: ***** gold ?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 (edited) 5 minutes ago, jabu said: If you put a microscope on any particular decisions made in any organization you will find disagreement. Some prove out in the long run, some don't. What about the poor decisions Belichek has made through the years (signing Gillislee to big money, among many others) has it hamstrung that team? Though I don't agree with all of them, I see this organization making better decisions than any management here in the last 20 years. You don’t even need a microscope for some of the moves made this regime. Those moves are blatantly bad. In regards to Belichick, his track record of success has earned him the benefit of doubt. He can miss on moves and still have one of the best teams in the league making deep runs in the playoffs. It’s easy to overlook bad decisions when you’re playing in the Super Bow still. Also, Gillislee wasn’t given money. He got a 2 year deal worth $6mil. And what decisions is this regime making that are better than previous regimes in the last 20 years? Clearly they’ve made some good decisions but I wouldn’t go so far as to say it’s anything previous regimes haven’t done. Edited October 16, 2018 by Bangarang Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 hours ago, vorpma said: Maybe we just have an ignorant, impatient fan base; maybe that is the problem! Hey Vorp, when you're 60 like me and the Bill's still haven't won anything harken back to your battlecry.....patience. Let me know how that works out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkirchofer Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 22 minutes ago, Best Player Available said: Hot take! Who did they draft in 2019? Since they value character over talent, I guarantee they don't take anyone that makes an impact in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 2 hours ago, row_33 said: still waiting since Jim Kelly was finished.... that is patience beyond endurance for almost every other pro and amateur franchise What has that got to do with the Pegulas...They have hardly owned this team for less than four years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 5 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Hey Vorp, when you're 60 like me and the Bill's still haven't won anything harken back to your battlecry.....patience. Let me know how that works out As a going on 60 year old fan myself, I understand. But if not patience, what then? Other than no longer supporting the team in ANY way, shape, or form, what alternatives to fans have other than patience? Ranting, raving, storming the bastile with our pitchforks? Seriously, what other choice to fans have other than patience if they aren’t willing to stop supporting the team? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronyAbounds Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, vorpma said: I have the Kelly years and what is referred to as the "glory years," 1965 and 1966. Try to understand you cannot recover from 16 years of mismanagement in the NFL overnight! Not to be picky, but the glory years actually started in 64, with that year and 65 ending in championships. 66 was a heartbreaker as the Bills just missed out on making Super Bowl I. I know 64 well because we moved from Buffalo in the summer of 64 and since the Bills won in 64 I thought maybe we were the problem (my dad and I went to the Bills-Patriots playoff game in a very cold War Memorial in Dec. 63 and had to witness that loss personally). Anyhow, those were the glory years of Buffalo football in the sense they ended the season with a win and a championship. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 1 hour ago, MAJBobby said: Nope. But thanks for asking Try soccer! 27 minutes ago, IronyAbounds said: Not to be picky, but the glory years actually started in 64, with that year and 65 ending in championships. 66 was a heartbreaker as the Bills just missed out on making Super Bowl I. I know 64 well because we moved from Buffalo in the summer of 64 and since the Bills won in 64 I thought maybe we were the problem (my dad and I went to the Bills-Patriots playoff game in a very cold War Memorial in Dec. 63 and had to witness that loss personally). Anyhow, those were the glory years of Buffalo football in the sense they ended the season with a win and a championship. You are absolutely correct; I attended the 66 game when the Chiefs clobbered the Bills, great catch, I stand corrected. Great hearing from an AFL fan! 48 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Hey Vorp, when you're 60 like me and the Bill's still haven't won anything harken back to your battlecry.....patience. Let me know how that works out I'm 62 and know where you are coming from, but you cannot make the years 2000 - 2016, the bad drafts and coaching, the losing culture disappear and build a winner over night! 1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said: You're on an internet message board preaching positivity and patience to a Buffalo Bills fanbase that has dealt with decades of futility. And you're doing it following the THIRD helping of Nate Petetman's unprecedented garbage. When every man, woman, child, or otherwise in the football world said he should have gone after the first or second dumpster fire. And now it's possible that against all odds, Peterman may have another go. And you don't think people have a right to be upset? I'd say if anyone's misguided here - it's you. Go get mad, call WGR, kick your dog, throw snowballs at cars, go to the game and boo and hold signs, whatever gets it done for you. Me, I'm sitting on my porch drinking a beer and laughing about it all! Have a good one! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 11 minutes ago, vorpma said: Try soccer! You are absolutely correct; I attended the 66 game when the Chiefs clobbered the Bills, great catch, I stand corrected. Great hearing from an AFL fan! I'm 62 and know where you are coming from, but you cannot make the years 2000 - 2016, the bad drafts and coaching, the losing culture disappear and build a winner over night! Go get mad, call WGR, kick your dog, throw snowballs at cars, go to the game and boo and hold signs, whatever gets it done for you. Me, I'm sitting on my porch drinking a beer and laughing about it all! Have a good one! I do watch Soccer. More entertaining than Bills on Offense. Score more too. And nah I will continue to watch the Bills and Cheer and Complain when warrented. Just keep bitching about fans though 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vorpma Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 9 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I do watch Soccer. More entertaining than Bills on Offense. Score more too. And nah I will continue to watch the Bills and Cheer and Complain when warrented. Just keep bitching about fans though I'm sure you will continue to feed my fan hate, appreciate the assistance! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 Just now, vorpma said: I'm sure you will continue to feed my fan hate, appreciate the assistance! Good hate the fans and not the incompetent idiots fielding this product Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted October 16, 2018 Share Posted October 16, 2018 3 hours ago, row_33 said: half the NFL every year has at worst a good franchise QB. Uh, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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