Democratic 2020 Presidential Primary Thread

[B-Man]

3 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

The Swift Boating of Mayor Pete is officially under way.

 

Right wingers love the military and veterans until s/he is running for prez for the Ds.

 

If Tulsi were to get into contention, she'd get the same treatment.

 

I like you DR and a lot of what you post, but this is pathetic IMHO.

 

 

You are using the term incorrectly.

 

In the left's narrative it means  to describe an unfair or untrue political attack. ..

 

 

The Swift Boat Veterans and some media pundits objected to this use of the term to define a smear campaign,

 

So I guess you are smearing those veterans who objected to Kerry

 

 

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Edited February 12, 2020 by B-Man

[Doc Brown]

5 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

The person that gets the most delegates wins.  Pete won Iowa.  Bernie won NH.  It's not complicated.

Pete and Bernie got the same number of delegates in New Hampshire.  Something political gambling sites put in their tiny disclaimer when making a wager.

[reddogblitz]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

It was posted more for Rob's comment which I found funny.  

 

But how much have you looked into Pete's service? He pushed paper working intel on a special assignment (he didn't have to do basic, got to pick his deployment). There's nothing wrong with pushing paper, and certainly nothing wrong with serving (even if, in Pete's case, it was done purely to have on his resume to run for higher office) -- but clearly you understand why those who were in combat get irked when Pete talks about being a combat vet. You served, in wartime, you know better than I ever will I suspect.

 

 

 

I haven't really looked into it at all.  I took him at his word, which see as to how he is a politician, may not be a good assumption.  I will look into it.

 

I was in the USMC but not in wartime.

 

But as a non wartime vet, it irks me more to hear people criticize wartime vets cuz having seen and shot some of these weapons, that it's no place for pussies.  It's real easy to sit on your couch and criticize people that were there for not doing enough. 

 

I will pay closer attention to what he actually says about his experiences and do some research. But I'm not going to take what you post from Twitter to have any semblance of truth attached to it.

 

 

[reddogblitz]

16 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

You are using the term incorrectly.

 

In the left's narrative it means  to describe an unfair or untrue political attack. ..

 

 

The Swift Boat Veterans and some media pundits objected to this use of the term to define a smear campaign,

 

So I guess you are smearing those veterans who objected to Kerry

 

 

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I really don't care what the left's narrative on it means.  I meant it as an attack on a veteran mostly by non veterans (Jerome Corsi etc.).

 

I most certainly am not smearing any veterans.

[RochesterRob]

  Totally unrelated but it would be fun to see Gabbard in a WWE match against Chelsea Clinton.  Then in a senior circuit match Hillary could take on Pelosi.

[keepthefaith]

So did Biden pull out the

"lying, dog-faced pony soldier"

to get the attention off of Hunter?  What on earth was Joe thinking?  That phrase gets funnier every day. 

Edited February 12, 2020 by keepthefaith

[keepthefaith]

Can you imagine if when Biden declared he was running DC Tom posted that "Joe's probably gonna call some young woman a lying dog faced pony soldier" the reaction that would have generated from Tibs?

 

Probably one of those polls showing Biden beating Trump in every state ?

Edited February 12, 2020 by keepthefaith

[SoCal Deek]

I heard "Amy" say last night that we need to elect her so that our President will be more polite. That's it?  That's the reason to vote for her?  Please tell me she has something more!

[IDBillzFan]

1 hour ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I haven't really looked into it at all. 

 

You haven't looked into it at all, but the minute someone criticizes the mayor, youe first reaction is to post "The Swift Boating is officially under way."

 

This is why we refer to folks like you as NPCs. 

 

Think for yourself, not for your side.

 

 

Edited February 13, 2020 by IDBillzFan

[keepthefaith]

I suspect we'll be hearing more from unions over the next several months speaking out against medicare for all. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nevadas-powerful-culinary-union-says-members-were-viciously-attacked-by-sanders-supporters

[GG]

10 minutes ago, keepthefaith said:

I suspect we'll be hearing more from unions over the next several months speaking out against medicare for all. 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/nevadas-powerful-culinary-union-says-members-were-viciously-attacked-by-sanders-supporters

 

About time workers realized what they'll be losing with a Medicare for all plan.

[Buffalo_Gal]

On 2/9/2020 at 11:18 PM, Buffalo_Gal said:

</snip>

But Mr. Buttigieg’s stint in the Navy isn’t as impressive as he makes it out to be. His 2019 memoir is called “Shortest Way Home,” an apt description of his military service. He entered the military through a little-used shortcut: direct commission in the reserves. The usual route to an officer’s commission includes four years at Annapolis or another military academy or months of intense training at Officer Candidate School. ROTC programs send prospective officers to far-flung summer training programs and require military drills during the academic year. Mr. Buttigieg skipped all that—no obstacle courses, no weapons training, no evaluation of his ability or willingness to lead. Paperwork, a health exam and a background check were all it took to make him a naval officer.

</snip>

 

5 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

The Swift Boating of Mayor Pete is officially under way.

 

Right wingers love the military and veterans until s/he is running for prez for the Ds.

 

If Tulsi were to get into contention, she'd get the same treatment.

 

I like you DR and a lot of what you post, but this is pathetic IMHO.

If it is swift boating, the WSJ  started it. ?

 

Edited February 13, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[3rdnlng]

6 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

That's looks like a suspect place to have a picture taken. I wonder if there was a line around the block for people to have a genuine picture taken?

[ComradeKayAdams]

Hello all,

 

Comrade Kay here to deliver my Bernie-based thoughts on last night and on the general primary horse-race:

 

1. Regarding low voter turnout concerns: the consensus here is cautious optimism. We were ideally wanting 30% and maybe a few thousand more each in both Iowa and NH, but some of the voter suppression can be explained with the “vote blue no matter who” Bernie cohort who just aren’t passionate enough to come out and vote in the primaries (but will be motivated to vote for Bernie in November). Also, a huge chunk of Bernie’s support comes from blue-collar folks who can’t easily get out of work to vote. I was told there were also specific primary voter eligibility technicalities in NH last night that suppressed some of the college student vote. In terms of logistics, we could be running operations a bit better, but perspective is important: Sanders still won the popular vote twice now! I don’t think any Dem or Rep presidential candidate in modern times has done this in both Iowa and NH and still lost the nomination. Hey at least we’re not the tire fire campaigns of Biden and Warren!

 

2. On the issue of Bernie only getting 25% last night when he had 60% here in 2016: not at all a worry. There were 4 other major candidates competing with Sanders last night, as opposed to 1 in 2016. You can’t simply lump the voting percentages of Klobuchar, Buttigieg, and Biden into a “centrist” Hillary voting bloc! That’s not at all what any of the polling data are telling us about these voters. Many people are making their decisions outside the paradigm of “progressive” versus “centrist.” In fact, Bernie is a popular second choice for significant percentages of these voters.

 

3. Nevada: I’m told that our ground game is considered the strongest in the state, especially with the Latino vote, and that every one of our precinct captains is prepared for all sorts of establishment Dem tomfoolery. I didn’t get any juicy details because campaign higher-ups are supposedly being very secretive about everything. Part of that is because Bloomberg keeps stealing away our campaign minions with huge salaries!

 

4. South Carolina: this is the premier battleground of the Dem primary. It’s an all-out war for the older black vote in South Carolina now that Biden’s electability argument is falling apart. Once again, no one is giving out campaign secrets because of Bloomberg. But if you want my opinion, you would be a lying two-faced pony soldier *****face full of malarkey if you were to tell me that any of Buttigieg, Klobuchar, or Bloomberg are better positioned than Bernie to win them over. African American Dems over 45 tend to be a pragmatic and deeply cynical voting bloc, but I can’t imagine them voting for any of the aforementioned 3 for obvious reasons (google their names plus “African Americans” to learn why if you don’t know already).

 

5. Possibilities of a brokered convention: the emerging expectation is that this is unavoidable, so I think the plan is to keep winning pluralities in states while maintaining a safe distance from the neoliberal establishment melee of the other 5 main candidates (I added Warren because she is as much of a true progressive as she is a Native American). There will almost certainly be a lot of Game-of-Thrones-style alliances and backstabbing all the way up to and during the convention. Maybe even our dear old friend Hillary will show up! Yay! The longer some of the establishment candidates refuse to drop out and begin consolidating their support, the better for Bernie. No one knows whether Bernie will acquiesce and make compromises to maintain a seat at the Dem power table. My own opinion is that he will, which would be extremely depressing and possibly fatal to the progressive movement. This is also one reason why I prefer Tulsi a little more, because she’s a badass B word who gives no quarter to corrupt politicians or to failed neoliberal policies.

 

6. Media McCarthyism: it was only a matter of time. The establishment Dems spent 3 years on the Trump Russiagate conspiracy. And now that the Sanders campaign is gaining sufficient momentum, their media lackeys are pulling up high school essays and distorting quotes from half a century ago in order to smear him as an anti-American Benedict Arnold. Every drunken, over-the-top, Chris Matthews meltdown on MSNBC only helps us more in strengthening the one true weakness keeping us from an intra-party victory: the white college-educated over-45 liberals who still watch cable news. Our canvassing data also shows us that independents are not buying the Red Scare tactics at all. They tend to agree with Bernie’s long and consistent record of criticizing American’s foreign policy. The 1953 Iran coup, Gulf of Tonkin, 1975 Church Committee, Iraq WMD’s, Timber Sycamore, etc…Americans don’t want to morally and financially support this imperialistic nonsense anymore. I wish they’d realize that all of the so-called “moderate” Dems do. Frontrunning Pete the Cheat is maybe the worst of ‘em; he’s further in the Deep State than he is in Chasten’s colon after a couple of bottles from his billionaire donor wine cave…yeah, I went there. What are you going to do about it? Anyway, end of rant.

 

Summary for the TLDR crowd: Bernie’s doing fine. Likely more than fine. South Carolina may be the final stand. After that, we be taking over the Democratic Party. Good luck!

10 hours ago, Mr Wild said:

Okay I am not one of the normals on here so I have a question for all of you. Both Republicans and Democrats

 

Can you rank the 9 candidates left into who you would be okay with and who you absolutely dont.  I know both sides have there absolute nos and absolute yes but I am curious who the republicans on here are okay with and who the Democrats on here are leaning towards.

 

So list them out 1-9, pleases I just want a civil discussion I dont want people saying all no ones or everyone but trump.  Just I wanna know the list of prefrences.

Biden

Bloomberg

Buttigieg

Gabbard

Klobuchar

Patrick

Sanders

Steyer

Warren

 

 

Hi Mr. Wild,

 

1. Gabbard

2. Sanders

3. Steyer

4. Warren

5. Biden

6. Klobuchar

7. Buttigieg

8. Bloomberg

 

FYI, I’m a volunteer for Bernie’s campaign, will be voting Gabbard if she’s still around in April, would probably vote Green Party instead of Steyer and Warren, and would probably protest with a Trump vote if Biden, Klobuchar, Buttigieg, or Bloomberg are nominated. These are solely my own thoughts, however, and probably not a good representation of a typical Bernie supporter. I suspect most will fall in line with whomever the DNC anoints. In 2016, I believe 90-95% ended up doing just that.

[3rdnlng]

2 hours ago, RochesterRob said:

  Totally unrelated but it would be fun to see Gabbard in a WWE match against Chelsea Clinton.  Then in a senior circuit match Hillary could take on Pelosi.

Hillary and Nancy would be a backstabbing contest. 

 

 

[Uncle Joe]

31 minutes ago, KayAdams said:

Hello all,

 

Comrade Kay here to deliver my Bernie-based thoughts on last night and on the general primary horse-race:

 

3. Nevada: I’m told that our ground game is considered the strongest in the state, especially with the Latino vote, and that every one of our precinct captains is prepared for all sorts of establishment Dem tomfoolery. I didn’t get any juicy details because campaign higher-ups are supposedly being very secretive about everything. Part of that is because Bloomberg keeps stealing away our campaign minions with huge salaries!

 

That's socialism capitalism for you.?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

3 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

I haven't really looked into it at all.  I took him at his word, which see as to how he is a politician, may not be a good assumption.  I will look into it.

 

I was in the USMC but not in wartime.

 

But as a non wartime vet, it irks me more to hear people criticize wartime vets cuz having seen and shot some of these weapons, that it's no place for pussies.  It's real easy to sit on your couch and criticize people that were there for not doing enough. 

 

I will pay closer attention to what he actually says about his experiences and do some research. But I'm not going to take what you post from Twitter to have any semblance of truth attached to it.

 

 

Seems like all sorts of mis/disinformation sprinkled in with a bit of truth.  Everyone has a hot button and I certainly understand where you’re coming from. Still, not all that different than anything else that might be said or done about a candidate and his/her supporters, so it is what it is. 
 

 

[RochesterRob]

12 hours ago, KayAdams said:

Hello all,

 

Comrade Kay here to deliver my Bernie-based thoughts on last night and on the general primary horse-race:

 

1. Regarding low voter turnout concerns: the consensus here is cautious optimism. We were ideally wanting 30% and maybe a few thousand more each in both Iowa and NH, but some of the voter suppression can be explained with the “vote blue no matter who” Bernie cohort who just aren’t passionate enough to come out and vote in the primaries (but will be motivated to vote for Bernie in November). Also, a huge chunk of Bernie’s support comes from blue-collar folks who can’t easily get out of work to vote. I was told there were also specific primary voter eligibility technicalities in NH last night that suppressed some of the college student vote. In terms of logistics, we could be running operations a bit better, but perspective is important: Sanders still won the popular vote twice now! I don’t think any Dem or Rep presidential candidate in modern times has done this in both Iowa and NH and still lost the nomination. Hey at least we’re not the tire fire campaigns of Biden and Warren!

 

2. On the issue of Bernie only getting 25% last night when he had 60% here in 2016: not at all a worry. There were 4 other major candidates competing with Sanders last night, as opposed to 1 in 2016. You can’t simply lump the voting percentages of Klobuchar, Buttigieg, and Biden into a “centrist” Hillary voting bloc! That’s not at all what any of the polling data are telling us about these voters. Many people are making their decisions outside the paradigm of “progressive” versus “centrist.” In fact, Bernie is a popular second choice for significant percentages of these voters.

 

3. Nevada: I’m told that our ground game is considered the strongest in the state, especially with the Latino vote, and that every one of our precinct captains is prepared for all sorts of establishment Dem tomfoolery. I didn’t get any juicy details because campaign higher-ups are supposedly being very secretive about everything. Part of that is because Bloomberg keeps stealing away our campaign minions with huge salaries!

 

4. South Carolina: this is the premier battleground of the Dem primary. It’s an all-out war for the older black vote in South Carolina now that Biden’s electability argument is falling apart. Once again, no one is giving out campaign secrets because of Bloomberg. But if you want my opinion, you would be a lying two-faced pony soldier *****face full of malarkey if you were to tell me that any of Buttigieg, Klobuchar, or Bloomberg are better positioned than Bernie to win them over. African American Dems over 45 tend to be a pragmatic and deeply cynical voting bloc, but I can’t imagine them voting for any of the aforementioned 3 for obvious reasons (google their names plus “African Americans” to learn why if you don’t know already).

 

5. Possibilities of a brokered convention: the emerging expectation is that this is unavoidable, so I think the plan is to keep winning pluralities in states while maintaining a safe distance from the neoliberal establishment melee of the other 5 main candidates (I added Warren because she is as much of a true progressive as she is a Native American). There will almost certainly be a lot of Game-of-Thrones-style alliances and backstabbing all the way up to and during the convention. Maybe even our dear old friend Hillary will show up! Yay! The longer some of the establishment candidates refuse to drop out and begin consolidating their support, the better for Bernie. No one knows whether Bernie will acquiesce and make compromises to maintain a seat at the Dem power table. My own opinion is that he will, which would be extremely depressing and possibly fatal to the progressive movement. This is also one reason why I prefer Tulsi a little more, because she’s a badass B word who gives no quarter to corrupt politicians or to failed neoliberal policies.

 

6. Media McCarthyism: it was only a matter of time. The establishment Dems spent 3 years on the Trump Russiagate conspiracy. And now that the Sanders campaign is gaining sufficient momentum, their media lackeys are pulling up high school essays and distorting quotes from half a century ago in order to smear him as an anti-American Benedict Arnold. Every drunken, over-the-top, Chris Matthews meltdown on MSNBC only helps us more in strengthening the one true weakness keeping us from an intra-party victory: the white college-educated over-45 liberals who still watch cable news. Our canvassing data also shows us that independents are not buying the Red Scare tactics at all. They tend to agree with Bernie’s long and consistent record of criticizing American’s foreign policy. The 1953 Iran coup, Gulf of Tonkin, 1975 Church Committee, Iraq WMD’s, Timber Sycamore, etc…Americans don’t want to morally and financially support this imperialistic nonsense anymore. I wish they’d realize that all of the so-called “moderate” Dems do. Frontrunning Pete the Cheat is maybe the worst of ‘em; he’s further in the Deep State than he is in Chasten’s colon after a couple of bottles from his billionaire donor wine cave…yeah, I went there. What are you going to do about it? Anyway, end of rant.

 

Summary for the TLDR crowd: Bernie’s doing fine. Likely more than fine. South Carolina may be the final stand. After that, we be taking over the Democratic Party. Good luck!

 

Hi Mr. Wild,

 

1. Gabbard

2. Sanders

3. Steyer

4. Warren

5. Biden

6. Klobuchar

7. Buttigieg

8. Bloomberg

 

FYI, I’m a volunteer for Bernie’s campaign, will be voting Gabbard if she’s still around in April, would probably vote Green Party instead of Steyer and Warren, and would probably protest with a Trump vote if Biden, Klobuchar, Buttigieg, or Bloomberg are nominated. These are solely my own thoughts, however, and probably not a good representation of a typical Bernie supporter. I suspect most will fall in line with whomever the DNC anoints. In 2016, I believe 90-95% ended up doing just that.

  The base fell in line I suspect due to Hillary being perceived as a centrist candidate despite her then recent proclamations on matters such as same sex marriage.  They most likely felt she was working the old playbook of running to the edge but once elected govern from the center.  I always thought that she was to the right of politicians such as Richard Nixon.  Anyways, both parties are shifting from long held positions as we speak.  As I have said recently big labor was perhaps the largest component of the Democratic Party for several prior generations but big labor in terms of voting power has been and is dying right in front of our eyes.  As this is heading into the final stretch the vacuum created is being filled by far leftists.  What worked in 2016 may or may not work in 2020 and most likely be far less effective for 2024 and beyond.  

[RochesterRob]

15 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I heard "Amy" say last night that we need to elect her so that our President will be more polite. That's it?  That's the reason to vote for her?  Please tell me she has something more!

  I've read where she is a terror around her staff.

[Tiberius]

50 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  The base fell in line I suspect due to Hillary being perceived as a centrist candidate despite her then recent proclamations on matters such as same sex marriage.  They most likely felt she was working the old playbook of running to the edge but once elected govern from the center.  I always thought that she was to the right of politicians such as Richard Nixon.  Anyways, both parties are shifting from long held positions as we speak.  As I have said recently big labor was perhaps the largest component of the Democratic Party for several prior generations but big labor in terms of voting power has been and is dying right in front of our eyes.  As this is heading into the final stretch the vacuum created is being filled by far leftists.  What worked in 2016 may or may not work in 2020 and most likely be far less effective for 2024 and beyond.  

I think the Dem base is really changing. Suburban women are becoming a major factor for the Democrats. The labor vote is still sort of there but dwindling. Bernie got a lower percentage this time than four years ago and the moderate candidates got over or close to 50% so I'm not sure Bernie will be standing at the end. I hope not, personally, but I'd vote for him over Trump for sure. 

[Bakin]

saying a candidate needs a black VP to bring out the black vote - 

without any respect for the black candidate and his or her vision...just the very notion that they’re being black will bring blacks out to vote. 
while it might be true - how racist is that???

Progressive idiots seem to have no idea. 

[RochesterRob]

11 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

I think the Dem base is really changing. Suburban women are becoming a major factor for the Democrats. The labor vote is still sort of there but dwindling. Bernie got a lower percentage this time than four years ago and the moderate candidates got over or close to 50% so I'm not sure Bernie will be standing at the end. I hope not, personally, but I'd vote for him over Trump for sure. 

  Any vote whether it be moderate or hard left can't be split between two or more candidates and still have meaning if those candidates are not there in the final round.  At some point somebody like Klobuchar has to start grabbing a much larger portion of the overall voter base to have real momentum.  Big Labor's golden age was from 1945 to 1990 in terms of union participation.  Big labor was still effective for years afterward as those people retired but still went out to the town halls to vote.  These same people today are dying literally or are getting too old to participate.  

[B-Man]

‘Lightweight’ Mike Bloomberg already proving he’s no match for Sanders or Trump

by Miranda Devine

Original Article

 

 

 

 

Senate Democrats queasy over Sanders as nominee

by Alexander Bolton

Original Article

 

 

 

 

 

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[Tiberius]

This is going to be interesting to watch, how Bloomberg handles that tape that came out about him. Can he unring this bell? 

 

 

Quote

 

Inside Bloomberg's sprawling Manhattan headquarters, his team sprung to action: Emails started flying before sunrise about how to respond. Strategies about how to handle President Donald Trump’s tweet calling him a “total racist” were debated. And staffers gathered for a morning meeting worried about how to manage black surrogates and supporters whose endorsements were to be rolled out that week.

Leaders for Bloomberg’s black and Latino constituency teams gathered on a call with staffers spread across the country to get ahead of the news and calm their nerves. They talked about Bloomberg’s evolution from high-profile defender to deeply apologetic critic of “stop and frisk,” sources familiar with the exchange told POLITICO. Advisers to the former New York City mayor distributed talking points that catalogued his work on economic opportunity and racial justice.

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/02/13/bloomberg-stop-and-frisk-114755

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

[\GoBillsInDallas/]

[B-Man]

 

 

 

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[Hedge]

Thread.

 

 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[IDBillzFan]

22 minutes ago, Hedge said:

Thread.

 

 

 

BREAKING: Political party that whines about money in politics eager for billionaire to buy his way to the White House!

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[IDBillzFan]

3 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

Rich, old, and senile.

 

Dems really know how to pick' em.

[reddogblitz]

1 hour ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Someone needs to remind Mike that trying to out Trump Trump is how you get more Trump.

[GG]

1 hour ago, Hedge said:

Thread.

 

 

 

A retweet of Bernie marxism on this page is truly astounding.  Here's the snippet

 

Quote

Two weeks ago Jeff Bezos added $13 billion to his wealth in 15 minutes. $13 billion in 15 minutes. Think about that compared to the pain and struggle of millions of Americans who are living paycheck to paycheck. We have a rigged economy and that has got to change.

 

I am speechless how a near-octogenarian who sets legislative policy doesn't understand how equity markets work.

[Tiberius]

2 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

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And all of them are better than that POS the GOP is running 

[Deranged Rhino]

Except, none of them can win, Tibs. Not one. And in fact Sanders has a chance to tank the entire party ticket from House to the Senate. 

 

But... 

 

[B-Man]

 

[whatdrought]

Leftist: "Rich, old white men are ruining the country! Who can save us??!"

 

Rich Old, White Man: "Fear not, young children. I am here." 

 

Leftists: "Our Hero!"

 

 

[mjd1001]

5 hours ago, Tiberius said:

 I'm not sure Bernie will be standing at the end. I hope not, personally, but I'd vote for him over Trump for sure. 

This is a tough one for me.

 

I don't like Trump at all as a person, and I"m iffy on his policies.  I really do not want to see him there for another 4 years (like really, REALLY don't want it), but you know what?  There is a way I might be OK with it..and that if the other choice is Sanders.  A year ago I would have told you it was a certainty that I'd want any Democrat over Trump...but the more I hear of Sanders and what he/his supports want, I'm not so sure I'd take that plunge.

 

Basically, I want a centrist. Republican or Democrat...doesn't matter...whoever is closes to the center would be my choice. Trump is too extreme to the right for me (plus his personality..ugh).  But Sanders seems SO far left...if only given the choice of those two...I just may abstain from voting but in the back of my head 'accepting' Trump as the better of the two.

[Deranged Rhino]

16 minutes ago, mjd1001 said:

Basically, I want a centrist. Republican or Democrat...doesn't matter...whoever is closes to the center would be my choice. Trump is too extreme to the right for me (plus his personality..ugh).  But Sanders seems SO far left...if only given the choice of those two...I just may abstain from voting but in the back of my head 'accepting' Trump as the better of the two.

 

With all respect to your personal political opinion (no snark intended  ) .... 

 

Trump's policies are more centralist democrat than anyone running for the DNC. He was a democrat for most of his life, and his policies reflect that thus far: no endless war, civil liberty protections, rolling back of the police state/draconian sentencing, et al. 

 

If you're looking for a centrist, you're not going to find it in any of the dems running. The party sold its soul to the pro-fascist wing and there's no going back.