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39 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Capacity there is 5000. Trump has more than that standing in line for the restrooms. 

 

Whatever it is, he filled the room. This thread is 16 months and 332 pages.  This is the first substantial crowd I’ve seen reported. Most times there’s a couple hundred, at best. And if they stuffed up to or more than capacity, doesn’t really take away from the fact.

 

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1 hour ago, snafu said:

 

Whatever it is, he filled the room. This thread is 16 months and 332 pages.  This is the first substantial crowd I’ve seen reported. Most times there’s a couple hundred, at best. And if they stuffed up to or more than capacity, doesn’t really take away from the fact.

 

This is what they do. They get the largest facility that they think they can fill. For some it's diners, for others it's high school gyms while others get larger facilities. Trump usually has auditoriums or sports facilities that house 12000-20000 and gets them packed with giant screens outside for the overflow. We know this because they register the attendees. Typically speaking 15% of the crowd are people who have never voted and 25% of the crowd consists of democrats. Also, Bernie's rally was in Denver, certainly a fertile area for him. 

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5 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Not "you people", the evidence and facts deny this happened. Did Russia meddle? Yup. Did they meddle with the cooperation of the Trump campaign? Nope. 

 

 

 

ZERO have been charged, indicted, or convicted of anything having to do with the 2016 election or Russian collusion. 

 

Not Manafort, not Flynn, not Stone, not Cohen, not Popadopolous... 

transplant there is stuck on  2016  democrat talking points...perhaps he/she needs a reboot

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Reading thru random articles and stumbled upon something on SF Chronicle, where I noticed a link to a Democrat Candidate matchmaker:

 

https://projects.sfchronicle.com/2020/candidate-matchmaker/

 

I answered yes to 11, 13, 16, and 17, and no to the rest

 

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Amy Klobuchar

A match rating of 47% is low, but it's the highest you got.

 

 

:lol:

 

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23 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

This is what they do. They get the largest facility that they think they can fill. For some it's diners, for others it's high school gyms while others get larger facilities. Trump usually has auditoriums or sports facilities that house 12000-20000 and gets them packed with giant screens outside for the overflow. We know this because they register the attendees. Typically speaking 15% of the crowd are people who have never voted and 25% of the crowd consists of democrats. Also, Bernie's rally was in Denver, certainly a fertile area for him. 

 

I never tried comparing Bernie’s turnout to a Trump rally.

I’m not sure why you’re bringing it up, after you pretty much pointed out that perhaps the Bernie numbers are inflated.  Are you saying that Trump counts the number of people who show up at his events and Bernie bloats his numbers without counting?

 

 

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18 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

If you want to know why I can honestly say that I do now and have for the last 3+ years worried that Trump would be reelected while not thinking he would, it's because of the fight between my head and my heart whether the American people are stupid enough to reelect him.

 

My confidence wavers because of crap like this:

 

Trump will pretty much do anything within his power (and outside of it, for that matter... as demonstrated by what's been revealed in the last 6 months or so) to get reelected.

 

Like him or not. Corrupt as hell or not. Blatant narcissistic liar or not...

 

He's the most powerful man in the world.

 

That's the reason so many on the left are frightened and worried.

 

It doesn't mean he's going to be reelected, but we can worry about it because the electorate already looked past his own admissions of being a sexual predator and his own well documented bigotry and racism and his own well documented shady business dealings over decades and his own calls to foreign governments to interfere in our election, among other things.

 

I'm a believer the old adage "fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me" will apply to the American people this time around as they have seen (and this part is simply undeniable) CONSTANT lies coming out of the White House.

 

You seem to dislike lies so much... why do you find Trump's CONSTANT lying acceptable in any way?

 

But once again, I am prepared for a 2nd term of Trump. That's because my bar for America's electorate is lower than it was when the day began on November 8th, 2016.

 

 

"Waaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhh!!!!"

 

Your life has probably improved under Trump, or at least none of your problems can be traced to his policies.

 

Your hand wringing is self-inflicted.

 

 

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11 hours ago, snafu said:

 

I never tried comparing Bernie’s turnout to a Trump rally.

I’m not sure why you’re bringing it up, after you pretty much pointed out that perhaps the Bernie numbers are inflated.  Are you saying that Trump counts the number of people who show up at his events and Bernie bloats his numbers without counting?

 

 


Pretty sure they are saying the venue does not hold more than double the announced amount. Did Bernie have an overflow? If not, the announced crowd size is er, probably inaccurate. 

Nevertheless, Bernie is the only one drawing any sort of crowd on the Democratic side, the only one with any sort of enthusiasm. That must be worrisome of the Democratic leadership.

 

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54 minutes ago, snafu said:

 

I never tried comparing Bernie’s turnout to a Trump rally.

I’m not sure why you’re bringing it up, after you pretty much pointed out that perhaps the Bernie numbers are inflated.  Are you saying that Trump counts the number of people who show up at his events and Bernie bloats his numbers without counting?

 

 

Trump is getting names and email addresses along with the voting status of his rally attendees and other demographics. So yes, he counts the people who show up. Bernie claimed attendance of 11400 in a place that advertises that it only holds 5000. I guess that's a good crowd for a democrat though. 

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7 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Did I say "conspire?"

 

No. No I did not.

 

I said he asked for foreign interference in the election, which he very clearly did.

 

Telling that you are inserting your own narrative into what I said, though.

 

This is certainly bending the truth.

 

But you've all created your own narrative here where that was a joke and no serious person viewed it as anything other than a joke.

 

Yeah... sure... must be true because you guys believe it is. :doh:

 

 

 

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2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

Bernie claimed attendance of 11400 in a place that advertises that it only holds 5000. I guess that's a good crowd for a democrat though. 

A total of 11400 attendees be more like the amount of Dems attending rallies in Iowa and N.H. combined.

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9 hours ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

Granted, it doesn't sound good to hear a wealthy, white man say this, but it's not nearly as bad as what is being portrayed.

 

My take:

The comment about not knowing how to behave in the workplace will not hurt him with minorities. I've worked in a number of organizations who have a call center component. I have heard with my own ears, numerous times, from minorities, that there should be training and guidance on this very subject of how to behave in the workplace. Those who work in call centers (specifically, those on the phones) usually don't have a college education. A large percent of them are minorities, who just got their foot in the door into the corporate world and have no experience in it otherwise. From their own stories, I know that a number struggle because behavior, that may be rewarded in the neighborhood they grew up in, does not fly inside corporate walls. It can be a culture shock. They had no real role models and no training on what to expect. A number of these minorities even use a different voice and manner of speaking than what is natural for them (what I have heard many refer to as their "white people voice"), so they can more readily blend in. Many of these people realize the struggle and would relish the opportunity to learn more about their environment and how to be successful within it.

 

 

 

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As President, Bernie Sanders Will Avert Climate Catastrophe and Create 20 Million Jobs

 

Reaching 100 percent renewable energy for electricity and transportation by no later than 2030 and complete decarbonization of the economy by 2050 at latest – consistent with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change goals – by expanding the existing federal Power Marketing Administrations to build new solar, wind, and geothermal energy sources.

 

https://berniesanders.com/en/issues/green-new-deal/

 

Not possible , phase out nuclear and natural gas plants. 

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5 minutes ago, ALF said:

As President, Bernie Sanders Will Avert Climate Catastrophe and Create 20 Million Jobs

 

Reaching 100 percent renewable energy for electricity and transportation by no later than 2030 and complete decarbonization of the economy by 2050 at latest – consistent with the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change goals – by expanding the existing federal Power Marketing Administrations to build new solar, wind, and geothermal energy sources.

 

Not possible , phase out nuclear and natural gas plants. 

 

What about the global methane CATastrophe?  This is riDONKulous.

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..bad, bad boy Mini-Mike...………….

Bloomberg’s ‘mercenaries’: Billionaire Dem funding network of climate lawyers inside state AG offices

By Tyler Olson | Fox News

 

A program funded by 2020 presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg is paying the salaries of lawyers who are farmed out to liberal state attorney general offices to pursue climate-based litigation -- a compact critics say amounts to Bloomberg buying state law enforcement employees to advance his preferred political agenda.

The arrangement, which currently pays the salaries of Special Assistant Attorneys General (SAAGs) in 10 Democratic AG offices, is drawing new scrutiny now that Bloomberg is running for president. The New York University School of Law's State Energy & Environmental Impact Center, which was started in 2017 with $5.6 million from Bloomberg's nonprofit, hires mid-career lawyers as "research fellows" before providing them to state AGs where they assist in pursuing "progressive" policy goals through the courts.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bloomberg-network-climate-lawyers-ag

 

 

 

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1 hour ago, B-Man said:

Bloomberg qualifies for Las Vegas debate, facing Democratic rivals for first time

by Emily Jacobs

Original Article

 

Bernie should break from the party and go independent. There's  no way a guy who pisses on billionaires as his main stump speech is going to get support from the DNC when faced with a gzillionaire as opposition. The Dems will take the money all day and they'll piss on Bernie. Again.

 

 

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...Bern "feeling the burn"?......deja vu...……….

MSNBC's Ari Melber calls out Tom Perez, DNC for changing debate rules to help Bloomberg: 'It's not fair'

By Joseph A. Wulfsohn | Fox News

 

MSNBC anchor Ari Melber called out the Democratic National Committee (DNC) as well as its chairman Tom Perez for changing its debate rules that could pave the way for former New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg to land a spot on the debate stage.

The DNC sparked controversy last month after it announced that it would no longer require its candidates to meet a donor threshold, which along with polling benchmarks were required for 2020 Democrats to meet in order to have a podium. But since Bloomberg has been self-funding his campaign, he was considered ineligible to participate despite his rise in the polls- that is until the DNC changed the rules.

After pointing out Perez's explanation of the donor rule last year, which was to empower "grassroots" movements for more unknown candidates, and his defense of the debate rules after they were criticized by former 2020 candidate Sen. Cory Booker, D-N.J, Melber asked his viewers if it's "fair" for the DNC to change the rules "in the middle of the game."

https://www.foxnews.com/media/msnbc-ari-melber-tom-perez-dnc-bloomberg

 

 

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3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

..bad, bad boy Mini-Mike...………….

Bloomberg’s ‘mercenaries’: Billionaire Dem funding network of climate lawyers inside state AG offices

By Tyler Olson | Fox News

 

A program funded by 2020 presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg is paying the salaries of lawyers who are farmed out to liberal state attorney general offices to pursue climate-based litigation -- a compact critics say amounts to Bloomberg buying state law enforcement employees to advance his preferred political agenda.

The arrangement, which currently pays the salaries of Special Assistant Attorneys General (SAAGs) in 10 Democratic AG offices, is drawing new scrutiny now that Bloomberg is running for president. The New York University School of Law's State Energy & Environmental Impact Center, which was started in 2017 with $5.6 million from Bloomberg's nonprofit, hires mid-career lawyers as "research fellows" before providing them to state AGs where they assist in pursuing "progressive" policy goals through the courts.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bloomberg-network-climate-lawyers-ag

I had to look at the linked article:
"According to its website, the NYU State Impact Center currently has attorneys placed in the AG offices for Washington, D.C., Delaware, Connecticut, Illinois, Massachusetts, Maryland, Minnesota, New Mexico, New York and Oregon. The attorney general running each of those offices is a Democrat."
It does not surprise me that the governor's cap and trade agenda is in now in round II, after being defeated in the last session,  is being supported by outside interests,

 

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How Tall is Michael Bloomberg, Really?

 

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"He's 5'5", or I'll eat my hat.


President Donald Trump recently mocked Democratic presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg as “a 5’4” mass of dead energy.” Immediately, the mainstream press and tech companies were out playing defense for the diminutive billionaire founder of Bloomberg LP and former mayor of New York City. A National Public Radio host in a blasé tone rebuffed this as another one of the President’s lies, stating that Bloomberg was in reality 5’8”. Presumably the host relied on Google for her fact checking, because that’s the height that the tech giant lists.
 

As a former Bloomberg News employee, I heard this and shook my head in disbelief. Google is lying. I’ve seen the man in person, and he’s strikingly short. My colleagues and I estimated him at 5’5”. Reviewing morning news reports, I note that Google isn’t the only one that inflates Bloomberg’s height. The Daily Caller and NBC News give him 5’7”, the Washington Free Beacon 5’6”. Apparently Bloomberg himself has said 5’7”,  but then he’s also claimed to be 5’10”, which is taller than I am and contrary to my memory of having to tilt my head downward when I stood near him on one occasion several years ago..."

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....HUH?...this CANNOT be right....."Shakir told Vanity Fair that Fox News has been "more fair than MSNBC.""

Sanders campaign manager rips MSNBC for 'undermining' senator's candidacy: 'You can feel the disdain' for his supporters

By Joseph A. Wulfsohn | Fox News

 

 

The campaign manager for Sen. Bernie Sanders, I-Vt., blasted MSNBC's coverage of the progressive candidate, accusing the liberal network of "undermining" the campaign.

Speaking to Vanity Fair, Faiz Shakir revealed that he had "approached" MSNBC president Phil Griffin, recalling from the exchange, "We watched a ton of terrible coverage occurring and we thought we’d at least try to address it."

Supporters of the Sanders campaign have been quite vocal with their complaints towards MSNBC in recent weeks, with anchor Chuck Todd being repeatly named. Todd raised eyebrows for asking how Sanders is "considered a frontrunner" despite his victory in New Hampshire and his surge in the polls and was slammed for suggesting that Sanders supporters were a  "digital brownshirt brigade," which was condemned by the Anti-Defamation League (ADL).

 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/sanders-campaign-manager-faiz-shakir-msnbc

 

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4 hours ago, Golden Goat said:

Yup, he's got the black vote, no prob. ?

 

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That dude wants his kid back.

Hes standing there thinking: not cool, just take the photo and give me back my kid, my wife is going to kill me if this picture gets out.

 

 

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4 hours ago, Golden Goat said:

How Tall is Michael Bloomberg, Really?

 

Welsch-BloombergSarkozy_021320.jpg

"He's 5'5", or I'll eat my hat.


President Donald Trump recently mocked Democratic presidential candidate Michael Bloomberg as “a 5’4” mass of dead energy.” Immediately, the mainstream press and tech companies were out playing defense for the diminutive billionaire founder of Bloomberg LP and former mayor of New York City. A National Public Radio host in a blasé tone rebuffed this as another one of the President’s lies, stating that Bloomberg was in reality 5’8”. Presumably the host relied on Google for her fact checking, because that’s the height that the tech giant lists.
 

As a former Bloomberg News employee, I heard this and shook my head in disbelief. Google is lying. I’ve seen the man in person, and he’s strikingly short. My colleagues and I estimated him at 5’5”. Reviewing morning news reports, I note that Google isn’t the only one that inflates Bloomberg’s height. The Daily Caller and NBC News give him 5’7”, the Washington Free Beacon 5’6”. Apparently Bloomberg himself has said 5’7”,  but then he’s also claimed to be 5’10”, which is taller than I am and contrary to my memory of having to tilt my head downward when I stood near him on one occasion several years ago..."

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2 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

I've seen a few of Bloomberg's tv ads and they strike me as saying nothing. No specifics and nothing but platitudes. They make me wonder "where's the beef"? 

 

The one with Obama is hysterical. You have to be Q-tibs-level stupid to watch that ad and determine anything other than one time, a long time ago, Barack Obama introduced Bloomberg at a public event. 

 

Bloomberg turned that into a virtual Obama endorsement.

 

Hysterical.

 

 

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Bloomberg's Plan For Social Security Makes Jerry Seinfeld Show Seem About Something

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/retirement/what-mike-bloomberg-wants-to-do-to-your-social-security/ar-BB105HBf?li=BBnbfcL

 

What Bloomberg wants

Bloomberg set out a four-point plan for Social Security:

  • Consider options for protecting Social Security's finances as well as the benefits of its neediest participants.
  • Provide better minimum benefits for low-income retirees.
  • Change the formula for calculating cost-of-living adjustments (COLAs).

 

See more at the link

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11 minutes ago, Golden Goat said:


Those seeking civilized debate will long for 2016 after what's coming in 2020.

 

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Oh don't worry, he's got a plan to bring extra AC to the Beast, if elected:

 

https://nypost.com/2012/06/27/mayor-rigs-wacky-ac-to-keep-his-suv-chilled/

 

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Now remember to kill your children and plug up the cow buttholes to reduce your carbon footprint!

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