Democratic 2020 Presidential Primary Thread

[Buffalo_Gal]

12 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

This could get interesting...

 

 

People have been saying "brokered convention" for a while now, some, hopefully {waves hand wildly! ?}, some in horror.  If Bernie can pay-off the super-delegates, things will get interesting.  However, just recalling what happened to the super-delegates when the Obama people threatened them, I am not sure Bernie has that kind of party-power, although the Bernie Bros can be a nasty lot.  IMO, he'd have to win it on delegates before the convention.  We will know in about a month if it is possible.

A 2020 DNC refresher:

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In 2020, there will be 4,750 delegates: 3,979 pledged delegates and 771 automatic delegates—more commonly known as superdelegates.
 

To win the Democratic nomination, a presidential candidate must receive support from a majority of the pledged delegates on the first ballot: 1,991 pledged delegates.If the convention is contested and goes to a second ballot or more, automatic delegates will be able to vote and a candidate must receive majority support from all delegates: more than 2,375 votes. Roughly two-thirds of the delegates will have been allocated by the end of March 2020.

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Edited February 22, 2020 by Buffalo_Gal

[Buffalo_Gal]

This could go on all campaign season:
 

 

 

 

[SoCal Deek]

10 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

I dislike Mini Mike but at least he's trying to buy the election with his money while Bernie is trying to buy it with taxpayer's money. 

This! Well said.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

10 hours ago, 3rdnlng said:

I dislike Mini Mike but at least he's trying to buy the election with his money while Bernie is trying to buy it with taxpayer's money. 

 

...well, just consider it an "advance"...because IF elected, he gets every damn cent anyhow......how 'bout an "all Vermont" administration?......President Sanders and VP Howard Dean?........

Edited February 22, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Nanker]

 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

14 hours ago, section122 said:

 

Speaking to reporters in Bakersfield, California, Friday afternoon, Sanders confirmed that his campaign was briefed about the Kremlin's efforts about a month ago and condemned Russia's attempts to interfere in US elections.
"It was not clear what role they're going to play. We were told that Russia, maybe other countries, are going to get involved in this campaign, and look, here's the message to Russia: stay out of American elections," Sanders said.
"And what they are doing, by the way, the ugly thing that they are doing, and I've seen some of their tweets and stuff, is they try to divide us up. That's what they did in 2016 and that is the ugliest thing they are doing -- is they are trying to cause chaos, they are trying to cause hatred in America."

 

What a terrible guy.  I repeat:

 

here's the message to Russia: stay out of American elections," Sanders said. "And what they are doing, by the way, the ugly thing that they are doing, and I've seen some of their tweets and stuff, is they try to divide us up. That's what they did in 2016 and that is the ugliest thing they are doing -- is they are trying to cause chaos, they are trying to cause hatred in America."

 

What more can the guy say?  I think delicious schadenfreude would be watching this place melt down over "Russian interference" for the next 4 years if Sanders wins.  The way so many of you are scared of the "commie" reeks of TDS.  I urge all of you to take just one step back and breathe.  You must all be sick of Trump is the worst ever and will be the destruction of America!! yet here so many of you are ready to proclaim the same for Sanders.

 

edit: also what's with the editorializing?  I see nothing about "releasing the hounds" he lets off a sarcastic they are great friends talking about the WaPo and that is it.

He doesn’t have to say anymore than he’s already said, and he’s said a lot. There is no need to step back, to take a breath, take a view from 30,000 feet or to get out if the weeds. 
 

The part about this demagogue yapping about “chaos and hatred in America” is priceless.  His entire campaign is based on hatred and rage against a system, ironically a system which has brought him incredible personal power and financial prosperity.  
 

 

 

 

[1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan]

ID BILLs FAN stupid is your low life blather above pretending Socialist Sanders will have a 600 delegates lead and still fail a majority vote in Milwaukee..... @HowieHawkins20 WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US peace through Green jobs USMC vet has 5 decades experience as an EcoSocialist protector of earth and human rights.....reprogramming 75% of existing military money building Green infrastructure and National Health Service ends illegal wars in 160 countries grows a lawful economy and reduces pollution 99% replacing polluters technologies with Green power.  Sanders is a zionist bankster who failed to help Conyers Kucinich HR 676 not for profit healthcare 2004 daily and today....F35s fly out of Vermont one billion each because of liar racist Bernie dude.... you suck stupid falling for fake Presidential leadership...learn to read the Congressional Record CSPAN and real news ....I am ashamed you call yourself a BILLs fan ....NV & SC added to IA&NH delegates levels have zero names attached..... counting chicks before eggs hatch is proof of your incompetence to motivate voters for USA 

[B-Man]

6 minutes ago, 1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[leh-nerd skin-erd]

5 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

 

 

 

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Incandescent blather from that poster. 

[1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan]

Illiterate B Lynrd Skynrd doofus

[3rdnlng]

1 hour ago, 1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan said:

 

FIFY

[Chef Jim]

1 hour ago, 1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan said:

Illiterate B Lynrd Skynrd doofus

Good lord. ?

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

2 hours ago, Nanker said:

 

 

....gotta be something in that Vermont water......want this clown as your physician?.....wasn't he the Dr. Howard from the Three Stooges "Dr Howard....Dr Fine....Dr Howard"??.............

Edited February 22, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[B-Man]

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

28 minutes ago, Chef Jim said:

Good lord. ?

 

...return of Q-Baby under a new guise.......same horses&%t................

[B-Man]

 

 

He is copying your style of posting................only yours is coherent.........?

 

 

8 minutes ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

.....for how many years has the battle cry been, "we need a Washington outsider to clean up the mess"?......and for how many years did entrenched politicians try to fraudulently run as THE Washington outsider most qualified?...thus the armored shield of the "Good Old Boyz Network" remained intact......until NOW.....Trump is a true Washington outsider and the armor has been breached......do I like his business practices?...nope....is he obnoxious, abrasive, abusive, caustic, arrogant et al?...yup.....is THAT what Washington needed?.. damn right IMO....and the "network" is reeling from the "breach", in full retreat....so is MAGA a ruse?.....of course...he was SOLELY after free digs at 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, wealth pursuit, free jet travel, book deal, his very own library as well as the HUGE salary...how about "draining the swamp"?.....FBI, CIA, DOJ, etc corrupt?......an orchestrated political coup?.....blasphemy!....this could never happen in the "world's greatest democracy" that we've pedaled globally for years......IMPOSSIBLE....so cleaning up "our own damn house" is underway, FINALLY....

 

2 hours ago, 1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan said:

ID BILLs FAN stupid is your low life blather above pretending Socialist Sanders will have a 600 delegates lead and still fail a majority vote in Milwaukee..... @HowieHawkins20 WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US peace through Green jobs USMC vet has 5 decades experience as an EcoSocialist protector of earth and human rights.....reprogramming 75% of existing military money building Green infrastructure and National Health Service ends illegal wars in 160 countries grows a lawful economy and reduces pollution 99% replacing polluters technologies with Green power.  Sanders is a zionist bankster who failed to help Conyers Kucinich HR 676 not for profit healthcare 2004 daily and today....F35s fly out of Vermont one billion each because of liar racist Bernie dude.... you suck stupid falling for fake Presidential leadership...learn to read the Congressional Record CSPAN and real news ....I am ashamed you call yourself a BILLs fan ....NV & SC added to IA&NH delegates levels have zero names attached..... counting chicks before eggs hatch is proof of your incompetence to motivate voters for USA 

 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

3 minutes ago, B-Man said:

 

 

He is copying your style of posting................only yours is coherent.........?

 

 

 

 

 

 

...LMAO...my style is actually MORSE CODE for those inclined here that I respect (club secrecy).......he's actually Q-Baby returneth IMO.........

Edited February 22, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[Deranged Rhino]

3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

He doesn’t have to say anymore than he’s already said, and he’s said a lot. There is no need to step back, to take a breath, take a view from 30,000 feet or to get out if the weeds. 
 

The part about this demagogue yapping about “chaos and hatred in America” is priceless.  His entire campaign is based on hatred and rage against a system, ironically a system which has brought him incredible personal power and financial prosperity.  

 

Re: the bolded -- 

 

That's the catch with socialism/communism/progfascism -- those systems require an adversary. There needs to be an oppressor/oppressed dynamic in play at all times or the entire system collapses. That's what the younger voters who are enamored with "socialism!" don't yet see. There is no ending the struggle of the working people under socialism, they need to exacerbate it in order to keep their power. 

 

It's a trick, designed to enslave not free people. 

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

13 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Re: the bolded -- 

 

That's the catch with socialism/communism/progfascism -- those systems require an adversary. There needs to be an oppressor/oppressed dynamic in play at all times or the entire system collapses. That's what the younger voters who are enamored with "socialism!" don't yet see. There is no ending the struggle of the working people under socialism, they need to exacerbate it in order to keep their power. 

 

It's a trick, designed to enslave not free people. 

 

...isn't the "freebee glamour of socialism" ALL that they see?.......handouts galore, student loan elimination et al are glossy and NOT their concern as to how or who pays for it....."all I know is I got mine" is the enticing mantra......don't know about you folks, but my Federal and NYS tax tab is obscene....and I'm sick of funding the "parasitic urinal".....those "willing and able" have ZERO drive or initiative to do so with this Sanders wack job....

Edited February 22, 2020 by OldTimeAFLGuy

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

12 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

Re: the bolded -- 

 

That's the catch with socialism/communism/progfascism -- those systems require an adversary. There needs to be an oppressor/oppressed dynamic in play at all times or the entire system collapses. That's what the younger voters who are enamored with "socialism!" don't yet see. There is no ending the struggle of the working people under socialism, they need to exacerbate it in order to keep their power. 

 

It's a trick, designed to enslave not free people. 

One more point, certainly understood by most on this board. It's easy for people to rage against a "system", but by system, I actually mean "people". Hatred, division, and aggression against those who do not kneel at Greta's infamous wall must, by extension, be marginalized, beaten into submission or worse.  

 

Sanders needs his people to rage against people, and just moves the goalposts as necessary. Btw the jamoke who pointed out snopes review of the Sanders 52% tax plan missed the pointing about Sanders banging those at 250,000k + at 40% or higher.  Sure, it makes perfect sense to become successful, invest in yourself and you dreams to earn $300k and work until April 23 for the feds skim before you're free of that debt, at which time you can consider the obligation to your state govt for another 30 days or so and by maybe mid-June start putting something aside for yourself.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

Interesting read

 

2020 is a mirror image of 2016

Bernie is the Chinese finger trap of the election — the harder you pull, the stronger he gets

 

A perfect storm enabled Donald Trump’s ascendance in the 2016 primary race, leading him to capture the Republican nomination and reshape the party in his image. It seems the Democrats and the establishment media are ignorant to the fact that the exact same set of circumstances is occurring again in 2020 — but this time it’s coming from inside the house.

 

It’s no wonder that the same party that spent the better part of the 2016 primary blinded by laughter over Donald Trump’s candidacy cannot see what is happening with the rise of Bernie Sanders. But we do.

 

Sanders’s campaign has been buoyed by a populist message, a faltering and terrified establishment, a rabid, angry base and a paralyzed media that has lost any and all influence on voters. The similarities don’t end there.

 

As the ‘moderates’ walked away (we think) victorious in Iowa with Mayor Pete Buttigieg, the need for Bernie Sanders to strike back in New Hampshire invigorated his online army and boosted his polls for Tuesday night’s race and perhaps beyond. The people who bristled and scoffed at a Sanders presidency are suddenly very, very scared. As they should be, because they are the same crowd that ignored warnings from people who understood Trump’s rise in 2016 and were not blinded by Russia conspiracies and other establishment propaganda.

 

Meanwhile, the candidates trailing Bernie are making many of the same mistakes as Trump’s old opponents. In a TIME magazine profile, Elizabeth Warren’s advisers admitted they aren now more concerned with racking up enough delegates from second and third-place finishes to force a contested convention. Ask Ted Cruz how that worked out. Josh Rogin of the Washington Post suggested Biden and Klobuchar should announce a ticket together now to stop Bernie, combatting too much vote splitting amongst the moderates in the race. Again, Cruz and Carly Fiorina didn’t have much success with this strategy in the last election. It’s all too little, too late.

 

Joe Biden, the establishment stalwart, is limping his way across New Hampshire (or whatever state he thinks he’s in at the time), and echoes of Jeb Bush are impossible to ignore. Biden is the assumed frontrunner faltering early due to a lack of enthusiasm and too much baggage. As he turns his attention and attack ads on the young upstart Mayor Pete Buttigieg — Rubio, anyone? — Bernie once again remains unchallenged and content to let all his competition destroy itself. Remember, Donald Trump rarely won a majority of the vote in primaries. Instead, he walked away with around a 25 percent plurality, while the remaining 75 percent of votes were divided between six or seven other candidates all too busy killing each other to gain a brief lead.

 

In New Hampshire, NeverTrump Bill Kristol is allegedly whipping votes for ‘moderate’ candidates behind to the scenes in an effort to thwart Sanders. This will only electrify Sanders’s supporters even more: ‘See, not only is the failed DNC trying to stop Bernie, but the Neocon Republicans are as well!’

 

Meanwhile, the Post and Courier is reporting that local GOP groups in South Carolina are leading ‘Get Out The Vote’ efforts for Sanders in hopes of elevating him to a primary win and almost unstoppable momentum heading into Nevada and Super Tuesday. This was the Democratic strategy with Donald Trump in 2016, and it didn’t end well. The GOP lifts up Bernie Sanders at its own peril.

 

The crystal ball tells us exactly how this all plays out; Bernie Sanders is going to take New Hampshire, most likely Nevada, and South Carolina becomes a toss up. Then, if Bernie twins a majority of Super Tuesday states, the primary season is effectively over. The question becomes which candidates fall in line for post-primary cable news gigs and possibly cabinet positions in a Sanders administration.

 

The DNC has no good plan to stop this, and can now only achieve acceptance of its fate — a state of being which still evades many never Trumpers. Bernie, much like Trump, is the Chinese finger trap of the election — the harder you pull, the stronger he gets. It’s an impossible-to-win situation. The Democrats just haven’t realized it yet.

Edited February 22, 2020 by Doc Brown

[1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan]

#1 Bernie is a fraud politician since 1978 betraying Socialists and Labor goals for his opportunistic incumbency.

#2 Sanders is an easy target for fascists like Rrrruussshhah dingy Crazy GREEDY LIMPboss radio cult dittoheads deaf preacher.....calling incumbent Democrats "leftists" is the big lie when all 537 incumbents are far right of center in WDC

#3 REAL SOCIALISM is feared by profiteers is local and commonplace in most states with union jobs government jobs Veterans, University government hospitals.  FAKE socialism as proposed by Bernie is welfare for insurance CEOs and criminals who live off the government like Aetna Lockheed HALLIBURTON ExxonMobil BlueCross Bayer GE GM CHRYSLER et al

[1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan]

Voters in 48 more states will scatter themselves and fake news will keep pushing the poll of the day "leader"

....Iowa is proof BILLARY apparatchiks still control the party FDR & JFK ....since 1982 illegal wars in 160 countries defines the borrowed USA budget cutting taxes for billionaires stealing money by the trainloads directly from the US TREASURY banksters&zionism rules the planet ONLY WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US peace through Green jobs is going to jail Goldman Sachs et al and restore democracy peace through Green jobs 

[Koko78]

3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

he's actually Q-Baby returneth IMO...

 

If he is, he's more coherent in this persona.

[Doc Brown]

32 minutes ago, 1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan said:

Voters in 48 more states will scatter themselves and fake news will keep pushing the poll of the day "leader"

....Iowa is proof BILLARY apparatchiks still control the party FDR & JFK ....since 1982 illegal wars in 160 countries defines the borrowed USA budget cutting taxes for billionaires stealing money by the trainloads directly from the US TREASURY banksters&zionism rules the planet ONLY WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US peace through Green jobs is going to jail Goldman Sachs et al and restore democracy peace through Green jobs 

Think the Green Party will crack 2% this election?

[Nanker]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

Think the Green Party will crack 2% this election?

They’ve been pretty much 90% cracked from the get-go Doc. 

[Doc Brown]

7 minutes ago, Nanker said:

They’ve been pretty much 90% cracked from the get-go Doc. 

I don't know.  He seems normal.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

...any chance "Punxsutawney Mike" saw his shadow and is gone for six weeks??.........

[keepthefaith]

On 2/22/2020 at 9:07 AM, 1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan said:

ID BILLs FAN stupid is your low life blather above pretending Socialist Sanders will have a 600 delegates lead and still fail a majority vote in Milwaukee..... @HowieHawkins20 WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US peace through Green jobs USMC vet has 5 decades experience as an EcoSocialist protector of earth and human rights.....reprogramming 75% of existing military money building Green infrastructure and National Health Service ends illegal wars in 160 countries grows a lawful economy and reduces pollution 99% replacing polluters technologies with Green power.  Sanders is a zionist bankster who failed to help Conyers Kucinich HR 676 not for profit healthcare 2004 daily and today....F35s fly out of Vermont one billion each because of liar racist Bernie dude.... you suck stupid falling for fake Presidential leadership...learn to read the Congressional Record CSPAN and real news ....I am ashamed you call yourself a BILLs fan ....NV & SC added to IA&NH delegates levels have zero names attached..... counting chicks before eggs hatch is proof of your incompetence to motivate voters for USA 

 

Every email and every online post you make is a reflection of your self.  While you're shielded from everyone here in anonymity, when you're dead your family will access your computer and phone and your online footprint and they'll be very disappointed to read crap like this.  Leave a better legacy for ***** sakes. 

Edited February 23, 2020 by keepthefaith

[B-Man]

On 2/19/2020 at 10:15 AM, B-Man said:

 

 

HMM:

Democrat leader Sanders won’t release full medical records.

 

Using Gator-think......."what's he hiding?"

 

 

 

 

 

One thing unites establishment Democrats: Fear of Sanders.

 

 

 

 

 

Hmmmmmmm........?

 

 

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[B-Man]

Down-ballot Democrats move to distance themselves from Sanders

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/down-ballot-democrats-move-to-distance-themselves-from-sanders/

 

 

 

NEVADA BERNS...

WAR ON ESTABLISHMENT...

Eviscerates conventional wisdom...

'Most left-wing presidential candidate ever'...

CARVILLE: Those Who Think Sanders Can Beat Trump Are Stupid...
 

 

 

 

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[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

The DNC's top two candidates aren't democrats. 

 

... But they think their party is strong enough and united enough to carry a general election.  

 

The next 8 months will be comedy gold as more and more democrats come to the realization many on here came to two years ago about their fate in the upcoming election. 

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The Democrats Are in Trouble

New York Times, by Bret Stephens

Original Article

[B-Man]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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[Deranged Rhino]

"All they had to do was not be crazy... they just couldn't do it."

 

 

Illegals over the working class, over minorities, over Americans. That's a winning ticket  

[B-Man]

 

 

 

Video of the Day: Nicaragua’s murderous socialist dictator endorses Bernie Sanders.

 

[B-Man]

These are starting to get a little fishy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Foxx]

4 minutes ago, B-Man said:

These are starting to get a little fishy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

if one hadn't noticed the similarities in these two before now, the fact that they have the same handlers should expose it.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

[B-Man]