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On 2/22/2020 at 3:41 PM, 1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan said:

#1 Bernie is a fraud politician since 1978 betraying Socialists and Labor goals for his opportunistic incumbency.

#2 Sanders is an easy target for fascists like Rrrruussshhah dingy Crazy GREEDY LIMPboss radio cult dittoheads deaf preacher.....calling incumbent Democrats "leftists" is the big lie when all 537 incumbents are far right of center in WDC

#3 REAL SOCIALISM is feared by profiteers is local and commonplace in most states with union jobs government jobs Veterans, University government hospitals.  FAKE socialism as proposed by Bernie is welfare for insurance CEOs and criminals who live off the government like Aetna Lockheed HALLIBURTON ExxonMobil BlueCross Bayer GE GM CHRYSLER et al

 

Is this guy a bot?  It makes Trump sound coherent.  

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Telling the truth everywhere for 50 years is well known to hundreds of thousands of people in my life ....@keep the faith LIES about me here in Buffalo BILLs land....thousands of Cayuga Seneca Onanadaga Mohawk et al people are not "crap" and few are athletes with Iowa roots with the ORIGINAL BUFFALO BILL..... WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US peace through Green jobs and why is what bigots and fools need to read

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1 minute ago, 1915 Buffalo Bill Cody fan said:

DERANGED & CAPCO welcome to reality and say goodbye to your fascist delusions....only our Buffalo BILLs Shout Song seems to be our common ground 

 

I'll give you credit for your first post that is coherent. 

 

It's inaccurate -- but at least it's in English. 

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Have you heard Jim Kelly is supporting a Rethuglican for Congress in the Orchard Park area ? A special election because the incumbent resigned to avoid jail time

OBVIOUSLY you fools cannot reply to the posted facts ....when people quit believing criminals like Bernie & TrumpOLINI we can elect real human beings to White House like WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US peace through Green jobs 

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33 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:
 

Food for thought. 

 

(But they're not communists!)

I like that you think Bernie can't win but I'm seriously concerned that he could. His policies appeal to so many people. Seeing recent responses from otherwise smart people who don't even realize they'd be voting against their own self interest only increases this concern. This movie scene comes to mind, partly due to @transplantbillsfan, because he would vote for Sanders because Trump's trolling hurts his delicate sensibilities.

 

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9 minutes ago, LBSeeBallLBGetBall said:

I like that you think Bernie can't win but I'm seriously concerned that he could. His policies appeal to so many people. Seeing recent responses from otherwise smart people who don't even realize they'd be voting against their own self interest only increases this concern. This movie scene comes to mind, partly due to @transplantbillsfan, because he would vote for Sanders because Trump's trolling hurts his delicate sensibilities.

 

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It would be foolish for anyone to take Sanders lightly, myself included. But what Trump has built in terms of momentum, accomplishments, and unity within his own party are too much for a divided, broken, and desperate party to overcome. Incumbents rarely lose, but if it's Sanders v Trump then it will all but guarantee the conversation will be capitalism v socialism/communism at every debate. 

 

That's a conversation Bernie can't win.

 

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So... he really is Trump? 

 

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All this drivel about Bernie & TrumpOLINI is 100% bogus....over 41 years Sanders has preached bull#### socialism then delivered fascism corporations budgets from Mayor to Senate.....if by some miracle voters BILLeve his promises to win the White House the same old same old bribed duopoly of blueREDS redBLUES will continue to guarantee profits to the polluter oil war crime profiteering bankster zionists 

....maybe a Medicare buy in bill like Alan Grayson wrote on 4 pages 2010 will get signed by Bernie but polluters will continue to bribe regulators and Palestinians will be murdered at USA taxpayers expense F35s will keep flying out of Vermont one billion dollars each and submarines will keep being built and never sail

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Bernie Sanders defends Fidel Castro's socialist Cuba: 'Unfair to simply say everything is bad'

Sen. Bernie Sanders, the frontrunner for the Democrats' presidential nomination, doubled down on his support for some of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro's policies, saying in an interview that aired Sunday, "it's unfair to simply say everything is bad."

Speaking to CBS News' "60 Minutes," Sanders, a self-proclaimed democratic socialist, pointed to social welfare programs introduced under Castro's regime that he described as redeeming, despite the communist dictator's often repressive human-rights violations against Cubans.

"We're very opposed to the authoritarian nature of Cuba but you know, it's unfair to simply say everything is bad. You know? When Fidel Castro came into office, you know what he did? He had a massive literacy program. Is that a bad thing? Even though Fidel Castro did it?" Sanders told Anderson Cooper.

 

Fidel Castro relinquished power to his brother, Raúl, in 2011 after nearly half a century in charge of the island nation; Fidel died in 2016.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-fidel-castro-cuba-socialist-defense

 

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1 hour ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

Bernie Sanders defends Fidel Castro's socialist Cuba: 'Unfair to simply say everything is bad'

Sen. Bernie Sanders, the frontrunner for the Democrats' presidential nomination, doubled down on his support for some of Cuban dictator Fidel Castro's policies, saying in an interview that aired Sunday, "it's unfair to simply say everything is bad."

Speaking to CBS News' "60 Minutes," Sanders, a self-proclaimed democratic socialist, pointed to social welfare programs introduced under Castro's regime that he described as redeeming, despite the communist dictator's often repressive human-rights violations against Cubans.

"We're very opposed to the authoritarian nature of Cuba but you know, it's unfair to simply say everything is bad. You know? When Fidel Castro came into office, you know what he did? He had a massive literacy program. Is that a bad thing? Even though Fidel Castro did it?" Sanders told Anderson Cooper.

 

Fidel Castro relinquished power to his brother, Raúl, in 2011 after nearly half a century in charge of the island nation; Fidel died in 2016.

 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/bernie-sanders-fidel-castro-cuba-socialist-defense

 

Oh boy.  If that's the best they can do then he's going to cruise to the nomination.  May not win Florida though.  Remember when the media freaked out when Trump said Putin was a strong leader before the 2016 election.

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On 1/24/2020 at 8:35 AM, dubs said:


This woman has a bag of rocks for brains and a lump of coal for a heart. She’s despicable. The father couldn’t have said it any better or made her look anymore foolish. She is the proxy for the academic progressive left and she can’t even address a simple point without resorting to the snark to defend her position. It’s in their DNA, just blow off the normal Americans: cater to the stupid and the “ruling elites”. 

 

EW is the poster child for those who can't meet the hiring standards at WalMart.

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13 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

 

 

Hey Jen, a bit of self awareness helps.  If you weren't so afflicted with TDS, you may have noticed what happened in the 2016 Dem primaries and the rise of Bernie Bro Antifa to set up 2020.

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It is so sad that inept Bernie cannot detail the great accomplishments of the Cuban people .....that their internal security repressed CIA agents trying to restore the Mafia and Batista ilk to keep Cubans poor stupid and divided....Castro United his people ....trained doctors for the world including USA barrios where few USA doctors serve.....Cuba is proof like Sweden that socialism builds up most people without empire and fascism as does USA.....organic farming has replaced old Soviet style collectivist industrial polluter agriculture in Cuba making the nation much better than 1990 or 1960

@Keukasmallies I agree Pocahontas is a fraud like Amy talking people issues while serving corporations interests only...we had a great woman running twice 2012 & www.jill2016.com @ 70 age she is supporting WWW.HOWIEHAWKINS.US peace through Green jobs 

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5 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Oh boy.  If that's the best they can do then he's going to cruise to the nomination.  May not win Florida though.  Remember when the media freaked out when Trump said Putin was a strong leader before the 2016 election.

Bernie is real well with Hispanic voters and has been vocal about Trump not releasing the aid to PR faster, a lot of Puerto Ricans have moved to Florida. And he is Jewish. Florida could easily got Dem with Bernie at top of ticket 

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25 minutes ago, GG said:

 

Hey Jen, a bit of self awareness helps.  If you weren't so afflicted with TDS, you may have noticed what happened in the 2016 Dem primaries and the rise of Bernie Bro Antifa to set up 2020.

 

I have to admit that one of the nice side effects of the Trump presidency has been the number of true characters that have been revealed. People like Ruben and Kristol and Boot have completely lost their minds, and it's almost like they argued themselves into a corner for which the only escape is through the far-left gateway.

 

At this rate they're a rat's asswhisker away from being stupid enough to bring support an ecosocialist who thinks you build peace through green jobs. 

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3 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

Bernie is real well with Hispanic voters and has been vocal about Trump not releasing the aid to PR faster, a lot of Puerto Ricans have moved to Florida. And he is Jewish. Florida could easily got Dem with Bernie at top of ticket 

 

Until the Cubans find out Bernie was a big fan of Castro.

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1 hour ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

LOL, will Bernie hold secret meetings with Putin? The murderous Saudis? 

 

Bernie should have a problem running, but Trump sure makes it easier for him or anyone to win. And all the executive power Trump consolidated in the WH. 

 

What will Bernie do with that power? 

 

 

1 minute ago, Koko78 said:

 

Until the Cubans find out Bernie was a big fan of Castro.

They vote Republican anyway, so who cares about them? 

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8 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

LOL, will Bernie hold secret meetings with Putin? The murderous Saudis? 

 

Bernie should have a problem running, but Trump sure makes it easier for him or anyone to win. And all the executive power Trump consolidated in the WH. 

 

What will Bernie do with that power? 

 

 

They vote Republican anyway, so who cares about them? 

 

….and yet another Cuba admirer...….Jimmy Carter.....

 

By José R. Cárdenas

| April 4, 2011, 12:12 PM-FP.com

 

For the record, here is a short accounting of what President Carter did in Cuba:

  • He denounced the U.S. embargo of Cuba and called for unilateral changes in U.S. policy, including immediate repeal of the Helms-Burton law.
  • Called for the unconditional removal of Cuba from the list of state sponsors of terrorism.
  • Called for the unconditional release of five Cuban spies jailed in U.S. and criticized the U.S. judicial system under which they were convicted.
  • Denounced Cuban American members of Congress, such as the Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), as "radicals" determined to keep Cuba and the United States "apart."
  • Blamed the U.S. government for the infamous 1996 incident in which Cuban MiGs shot down two small civilian aircraft in international airspace.
  • Referred to dictator Fidel Castro as his "personal friend."
  • Criticized the U.S. for not doing enough to combat "the problem of Global Warming" and praised Fidel Castro’s "activism and wisdom" on the issue.

 

 

 

 

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/04/04/what-did-jimmy-carter-accomplish-in-cuba/

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Just now, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

….and yet another...….Jimmy Carter.....

 

By José R. Cárdenas

| April 4, 2011, 12:12 PM-FP.com

 

For the record, here is a short accounting of what President Carter did in Cuba:

  • He denounced the U.S. embargo of Cuba and called for unilateral changes in U.S. policy, including immediate repeal of the Helms-Burton law.
  • Called for the unconditional removal of Cuba from the list of state sponsors of terrorism.
  • Called for the unconditional release of five Cuban spies jailed in U.S. and criticized the U.S. judicial system under which they were convicted.
  • Denounced Cuban American members of Congress, such as the Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, Ileana Ros-Lehtinen (R-FL), as "radicals" determined to keep Cuba and the United States "apart."
  • Blamed the U.S. government for the infamous 1996 incident in which Cuban MiGs shot down two small civilian aircraft in international airspace.
  • Referred to dictator Fidel Castro as his "personal friend."
  • Criticized the U.S. for not doing enough to combat "the problem of Global Warming" and praised Fidel Castro’s "activism and wisdom" on the issue.

 

 

 

 

 

https://foreignpolicy.com/2011/04/04/what-did-jimmy-carter-accomplish-in-cuba/

Who cares? He's running against a wack job named Trump. Trump kisses up to murderous Putin 

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3 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:
 

 

Rubin is such a drifter.  Can't wait until she embraces socialism on "principle."  These Never Trump Republicans are beginning to realize the Dems don't give a crap about them in choosing their nominee.

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Just now, Albwan said:

I dunno Bernie might be the perfect storm, lazy freeloaders, dimwits and Trump haters.

Better start stockpiling tp, just in case.


There’s reason to be concerned about Bernie if you’re not in his voting block (dems and reps and independents alike) — so no one should take his campaign lightly... 

 

... That said, I still don’t see a path for him to win. The groups he needs to tap into to have a chance against an incumbent have moved away from him since 2016. 
 

Personally I want Bernie v Trump so we, as a country, can have it out over socialism v democracy. It won’t settle that question forever, but it could tap it down for a few decades. 
 

I see Trump getting anywhere from 38-40 states if it’s Bernie running against him, plus a complete bloodletting in the House for the dems. That’s optimistic (perhaps too much so) but Bernie has a lot of warts that will be exposed in the months ahead.  

 

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