PFF's view so far

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[DCOrange]

On 9/25/2018 at 9:03 AM, DCOrange said:

 

Update after Week 3:

 

Josh Allen - 60.5 (28 out of 33)

 

Top 5 Offense:

1. Chris Ivory - 78.0 (5 out of 57)
2. John Miller - 64.8 (25 out of 72)
3. LeSean McCoy - 63.0 (33 out of 57)
4. Jordan Mills - 62.3 (43 out of 72)
5. Dion Dawkins - 61.1 (45 out of 72)

Bottom 5 Offense (1 being the lowest):

1. Marcus Murphy - 45.8 (57 out of 57)
2. Ryan Groy - 42.3 (36 out of 36)
3. Robert Foster - 50.7 (103 out of 109)
4. Kelvin Benjamin - 52.9 (97 out of 109)
5. Zay Jones - 53.6 (94 out of 109)

Top 5 Defense:

1. Lorenzo Alexander - 90.8 (4 out of 101)
2. Jerry Hughes - 82.8 (8 out of 101)
3. Micah Hyde 79.4 (10 out of 81)
4. Matt Milano - 77.9 (15 out of 86)
5. Harrison Phillips - 74.9 (30 out of 113)

Bottom 5 Defense:

1. Tremaine Edmunds - 53.4 (58 out of 86)
2. Taron Johnson - 56.2 (91 out of 105)
3. Rafael Bush - 56.3 (89 out of 105)
4. Phillip Gaines - 60.5 (71 out of 105)
5. Eddie Yarbrough - 61.8 (64 out of 101)

 

Update after Week 4 (underlined names are names that were added this week):

 

Josh Allen - 46.9 (32 out of 34, only ahead of Tyrod and Bradford, who have been benched)

 

Top 5 Offense:

1. Chris Ivory - 76.0 (5 out of 57)
2. Dion Dawkins - 66.3 (30 out of 70)
3. LeSean McCoy - 65.0 (31 out of 58)
4. Jordan Mills - 62.0 (45 out of 70)
5. John Miller - 60.2 (40 out of 70)

Bottom 5 Offense (1 being the lowest):

1. Ryan Groy - 42.3 (36 out of 36)
2. Josh Allen - 46.9 (32 out of 34)
3. Robert Foster - 50.1 (108 out of 113)
4. Kelvin Benjamin - 51.7 (105 out of 113)
5. Andre Holmes - 53.2 (101 out of 113)

Top 5 Defense:

1. Lorenzo Alexander - 89.8 (4 out of 97)
2. Micah Hyde 77.7 (14 out of 83)
3. Ryan Lewis - 76.1 (12 out of 108)
4. Jerry Hughes - 75.5 (18 out of 97)
5. Matt Milano - 71.0 (17 out of 82)

Bottom 5 Defense:

1. Tremaine Edmunds - 53.0 (58 out of 82)
2. Rafael Bush - 58.1 (65 out of 83)
3. Star Lotulelei - 60.4 (79 out of 105)
4. Phillip Gaines - 60.5 (69 out of 108)
5. Trent Murphy - 61.3 (64 out of 97)

[Clyde Smith]

Sheesh! Our receivers suuccks!

[26CornerBlitz]

 

[dave mcbride]

22 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

Update after Week 4 (underlined names are names that were added this week):

 

Josh Allen - 46.9 (32 out of 34, only ahead of Tyrod and Bradford, who have been benched)

 

Top 5 Offense:

1. Chris Ivory - 76.0 (5 out of 57)
2. Dion Dawkins - 66.3 (30 out of 70)
3. LeSean McCoy - 65.0 (31 out of 58)
4. Jordan Mills - 62.0 (45 out of 70)
5. John Miller - 60.2 (40 out of 70)

Bottom 5 Offense (1 being the lowest):

1. Ryan Groy - 42.3 (36 out of 36)
2. Josh Allen - 46.9 (32 out of 34)
3. Robert Foster - 50.1 (108 out of 113)
4. Kelvin Benjamin - 51.7 (105 out of 113)
5. Andre Holmes - 53.2 (101 out of 113)

Top 5 Defense:

1. Lorenzo Alexander - 89.8 (4 out of 97)
2. Micah Hyde 77.7 (14 out of 83)
3. Ryan Lewis - 76.1 (12 out of 108)
4. Jerry Hughes - 75.5 (18 out of 97)
5. Matt Milano - 71.0 (17 out of 82)

Bottom 5 Defense:

1. Tremaine Edmunds - 53.0 (58 out of 82)
2. Rafael Bush - 58.1 (65 out of 83)
3. Star Lotulelei - 60.4 (79 out of 105)
4. Phillip Gaines - 60.5 (69 out of 108)
5. Trent Murphy - 61.3 (64 out of 97)

Chris Ivory is averaging 2.6 ypc. Is this right? Are they factoring in no room to run?

[jr1]

PFF doesn't understand Star's role in the defense

[Rigotz]

Interesting to see Edmunds consistently ranked the worst player on defense. 

That just doesn't seem right... sure he's made some bad reads and played tentative at times, but is he really worse than Rafael Bush and Phillip Gaines?

[DCOrange]

1 hour ago, dave mcbride said:

Chris Ivory is averaging 2.6 ypc. Is this right? Are they factoring in no room to run?

 

Looking at NextGenStats.com:

 

Ivory ranks #1 in efficiency (basically measures how much of a north-south runner you are). He faces 8+ men in the box on 38.71% of his carries, which is the 3rd highest in the league. I imagine those two things help. He's rated the 9th best rusher by PFF and the 13th best receiver out of the backfield.

6 minutes ago, Rigotz said:

Interesting to see Edmunds consistently ranked the worst player on defense. 

That just doesn't seem right... sure he's made some bad reads and played tentative at times, but is he really worse than Rafael Bush and Phillip Gaines?

The Chargers game is weighing him down big time right now. He's still not playing very well from game to game, but that Chargers game I think he received the lowest possible grade from PFF, so I imagine his grade will likely improve as the season goes on and that game hopefully becomes a blip on the radar.

[dave mcbride]

1 hour ago, DCOrange said:

 

Looking at NextGenStats.com:

 

Ivory ranks #1 in efficiency (basically measures how much of a north-south runner you are). He faces 8+ men in the box on 38.71% of his carries, which is the 3rd highest in the league. I imagine those two things help. He's rated the 9th best rusher by PFF and the 13th best receiver out of the backfield.

 

Good stuff; thanks. I think he's looked fine even though the production isn't there. Still, 2.6 is really low. It's not necessarily his fault though ...

[nedboy7]

Let’s see the PFF grade on the coaches. Cause the player ratings seem quite appropriate.  

[billsfan89]

4 hours ago, jr1 said:

PFF doesn't understand Star's role in the defense

 

PFF might actually not. That's not a knock on PFF but mainly the limitations of football analytics. PFF does not know what Star is supposed to do within the scheme. PFF grades a lot of their D-line metrics based off of getting past the line of scrimmage. Star shuffling along the line and trying to occupy a gap might seem like the is getting taken out of a play. But the scheme might have called for clearing the way for a linebacker. I don't think Star is doing all that well but I don't think he is doing bad either. Star is a space eater who attacks blockers however he lacks the gravity that a really dominant space eater commands. He certainly is overpaid. 

[PlayoffsPlease]

31 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

PFF might actually not. That's not a knock on PFF but mainly the limitations of football analytics. PFF does not know what Star is supposed to do within the scheme. PFF grades a lot of their D-line metrics based off of getting past the line of scrimmage. Star shuffling along the line and trying to occupy a gap might seem like the is getting taken out of a play. But the scheme might have called for clearing the way for a linebacker. I don't think Star is doing all that well but I don't think he is doing bad either. Star is a space eater who attacks blockers however he lacks the gravity that a really dominant space eater commands. He certainly is overpaid. 

Sometimes I think "space eater" is code for "bad player" 

[billsfan89]

35 minutes ago, PlayoffsPlease said:

Sometimes I think "space eater" is code for "bad player" 

 

You are a prisoner of the moment. Lots of people are calling Star a space eater and a lot of people think Star is having little to no impact so you are blending the term to think that people are just using the term to cover for someone's bad play. Watch the difference in the Bills run defense last year when "Space Eater" Darues was there vs. when he left. The Bills had a lot of bad years defending the run when they didn't have a capable space eater after Pat Williams left. The term is basically a catch all for a DT that is a good run defender. A guy like Snacks Harrison is a great space eater who holds the line consistently against double teams and makes it very difficult for a team to run up the middle. 

 

To look at Star's impact I think you have to take a look at how effective the Bills rushing defense is. I think the Bills run defense this season with Star being a space eater has been so so. The team has given up 3.2, 4.2, 2.3, and 4.4 yards per carry in their 4 games. That's not bad but not great either. But the term isn't code for bad player it is more so trying to describe a role a player is performing that might not results in defensive stats. 

[PlayoffsPlease]

2 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:

 

You are a prisoner of the moment. Lots of people are calling Star a space eater and a lot of people think Star is having little to no impact so you are blending the term to think that people are just using the term to cover for someone's bad play. Watch the difference in the Bills run defense last year when "Space Eater" Darues was there vs. when he left. The Bills had a lot of bad years defending the run when they didn't have a capable space eater after Pat Williams left. The term is basically a catch all for a DT that is a good run defender. A guy like Snacks Harrison is a great space eater who holds the line consistently against double teams and makes it very difficult for a team to run up the middle. 

 

To look at Star's impact I think you have to take a look at how effective the Bills rushing defense is. I think the Bills run defense this season with Star being a space eater has been so so. The team has given up 3.2, 4.2, 2.3, and 4.4 yards per carry in their 4 games. That's not bad but not great either. But the term isn't code for bad player it is more so trying to describe a role a player is performing that might not results in defensive stats. 

Please look up the word "sometimes" in Websters.  That will help clarify the point from my previous post. 

[billsfan89]

Just now, PlayoffsPlease said:

Please look up the word "sometimes" in Websters.  That will help clarify the point from my previous post. 

 

Haha, I totally missed that, just got back from a wisdom tooth pull at the dentist barely able to think at the moment. 

[MJS]

7 hours ago, DCOrange said:

The Chargers game is weighing him down big time right now. He's still not playing very well from game to game, but that Chargers game I think he received the lowest possible grade from PFF, so I imagine his grade will likely improve as the season goes on and that game hopefully becomes a blip on the radar.

 

It would be interesting to see all of the individual game grades independently from each other.

[DCOrange]

10 hours ago, MJS said:

 

It would be interesting to see all of the individual game grades independently from each other.

 

I've been tracking Allen and Edmunds the best that I can, but you have to pay like $150 for the game-by-game scores and I just pay for the cheapest PFF subscription. The scores appear to be adjusted each week, so it makes it difficult to track. For example, players are scored on a 0-100 scale, but after Week 3, to get to Tremaine Edmunds' updated rating, he would have needed to have a negative score in Week 2, so therefore his score from Week 1 must have been adjusted after the fact (PFF had publicly posted their Week 1 and Week 3 grade, so I could piece together what the Week 2 grade should have been based on that).

[MJS]

4 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

I've been tracking Allen and Edmunds the best that I can, but you have to pay like $150 for the game-by-game scores and I just pay for the cheapest PFF subscription. The scores appear to be adjusted each week, so it makes it difficult to track. For example, players are scored on a 0-100 scale, but after Week 3, to get to Tremaine Edmunds' updated rating, he would have needed to have a negative score in Week 2, so therefore his score from Week 1 must have been adjusted after the fact (PFF had publicly posted their Week 1 and Week 3 grade, so I could piece together what the Week 2 grade should have been based on that).

 

Yeah. Definitely not worth paying a bunch of money for. It just surprised me that Tremaine is still so low, because he has made a lot of good plays, although he has definitely had his rookie moments.

[DCOrange]

On 10/1/2018 at 2:35 PM, DCOrange said:

 

Update after Week 4 (underlined names are names that were added this week):

 

Josh Allen - 46.9 (32 out of 34, only ahead of Tyrod and Bradford, who have been benched)

 

Top 5 Offense:

1. Chris Ivory - 76.0 (5 out of 57)
2. Dion Dawkins - 66.3 (30 out of 70)
3. LeSean McCoy - 65.0 (31 out of 58)
4. Jordan Mills - 62.0 (45 out of 70)
5. John Miller - 60.2 (40 out of 70)

Bottom 5 Offense (1 being the lowest):

1. Ryan Groy - 42.3 (36 out of 36)
2. Josh Allen - 46.9 (32 out of 34)
3. Robert Foster - 50.1 (108 out of 113)
4. Kelvin Benjamin - 51.7 (105 out of 113)
5. Andre Holmes - 53.2 (101 out of 113)

Top 5 Defense:

1. Lorenzo Alexander - 89.8 (4 out of 97)
2. Micah Hyde 77.7 (14 out of 83)
3. Ryan Lewis - 76.1 (12 out of 108)
4. Jerry Hughes - 75.5 (18 out of 97)
5. Matt Milano - 71.0 (17 out of 82)

Bottom 5 Defense:

1. Tremaine Edmunds - 53.0 (58 out of 82)
2. Rafael Bush - 58.1 (65 out of 83)
3. Star Lotulelei - 60.4 (79 out of 105)
4. Phillip Gaines - 60.5 (69 out of 108)
5. Trent Murphy - 61.3 (64 out of 97)

 

Update after Week 5 (underlined names are names that were added this week):

 

Quick Summary:

Vlad Ducasse enters the bottom 5 offense for the first time this year and is now ranked as one of the worst guards in the NFL.

Taron Johnson debuts in the top 5 defense after his big INT this week.

Jordan Phillips is nearly the lowest rated DT in the NFL, though I'm guessing this is mainly based upon how he played in Miami but I'm not entirely sure.

Eddie Yarbrough appears in the bottom 5 defense.

A slight uptick for Josh Allen, but he's still the lowest rated starting QB in the league.

A slight downtick for Edmunds as his struggles have continued (according to PFF).

Star Lotulelei drops another 20 spots in the DT rankings, down to #99 out of 110 that are ranked.

 

Top 5 Offense:

1. Chris Ivory - 79.0 (3 out of 56)
2. LeSean McCoy - 68.1 (24 out of 56)
3. Dion Dawkins - 64.7 (39 out of 73)
4. John Miller - 62.5 (34 out of 71)
5. Jordan Mills - 61.9 (45 out of 73)

Bottom 5 Offense (1 being the lowest):

1. Ryan Groy - 42.6 (34 out of 35)
2. Vlad Ducasse - 48.8 (67 out of 71)
3. Josh Allen - 48.9 (35 out of 37)
4. Andre Holmes - 50.9 (113 out of 117)
5. Robert Foster - 53.6 (108 out of 117)

Top 5 Defense:

1. Lorenzo Alexander - 89.0 (5 out of 100)
2. Jerry Hughes - 78.1 (13 out of 100)
3. Micah Hyde 77.7 (17 out of 84)
4. Matt Milano - 75.5 (11 out of 82)
5. Taron Johnson - 73.1 (16 out of 111)

Bottom 5 Defense:

1. Jordan Phillips - 44.3 (108 out of 110); I have no idea what Phillips was prior to coming to Buffalo
2. Tremaine Edmunds - 50.9 (66 out of 82)
3. Star Lotulelei - 56.8 (99 out of 110)
4. Rafael Bush - 58.1 (67 out of 84)
5. Eddie Yarbrough - 60.9 (68 out of 100)

[ctk232]

4 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

Update after Week 5 (underlined names are names that were added this week):

 

Quick Summary:

Vlad Ducasse enters the bottom 5 offense for the first time this year and is now ranked as one of the worst guards in the NFL.

Taron Johnson debuts in the top 5 defense after his big INT this week.

Jordan Phillips is nearly the lowest rated DT in the NFL, though I'm guessing this is mainly based upon how he played in Miami but I'm not entirely sure.

Eddie Yarbrough appears in the bottom 5 defense.

A slight uptick for Josh Allen, but he's still the lowest rated starting QB in the league.

A slight downtick for Edmunds as his struggles have continued (according to PFF).

Star Lotulelei drops another 20 spots in the DT rankings, down to #99 out of 110 that are ranked.

 

Thanks for updating.

 

That's not news for Ducasse exactly. PFF had some unicorn grading on him the first few weeks in pass protect only. He's long been overdue for retirement for the league. Have a friends who's a Jets fan and he laughs every time I tell him Ducasse is still our starting Guard - he's seen the Ducasse byproduct way too much.

 

Still don't think PFF understands Star is playing one-tech and will not grade well in their "system." Interesting takes on Edmunds though - I get he's not mistake free at this point, but it would seem his progression has been positive regardless, even within grading parameters.

[GunnerBill]

Worth a bump after 12 games?

 

So the top 5 graded on offense (minimum 150 snaps) are:

 

1. Chris Ivory - 74.0

2. Robert Foster - 68.2

3. Josh Allen - 66.5

4. Dion Dawkins - 66.2

5. LeSean McCoy - 65.2

 

The bottom 5 graded on offense (minimum 150 snaps) are:

 

5. Jordan Mills - 56.9

4. Wyatt Teller - 52.3

3. Vlad Ducasse - 49.8

2. Jason Croom - 48.4

1. Ryan Groy - 44.7

 

So the top 5 graded on defense (minimum 150 snaps) are:

 

1. Jerry Hughes - 85.4

2. Lorenzo Alexander - 81.5

3. Micah Hyde - 81.3

4. Matt Milano - 73.6

5. Levi Wallace - 72.4

 

The bottom 5 graded on defense (minimum 150 snaps) are:

 

5. Eddie Yarbrough - 60.2

4. Star Lotulelei - 58.4

3. Rafael Bush 57.1

2. Jordan Phillips - 55.1

1. Tremaine Edmunds - 51.6

 

 

[GoBills808]

52 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

Worth a bump after 12 games?

 

So the top 5 graded on offense (minimum 150 snaps) are:

 

1. Chris Ivory - 74.0

2. Robert Foster - 68.2

3. Josh Allen - 66.5

4. Dion Dawkins - 66.2

5. LeSean McCoy - 65.2

 

The bottom 5 graded on offense (minimum 150 snaps) are:

 

5. Jordan Mills - 56.9

4. Wyatt Teller - 52.3

3. Vlad Ducasse - 49.8

2. Jason Croom - 48.4

1. Ryan Groy - 44.7

 

So the top 5 graded on defense (minimum 150 snaps) are:

 

1. Jerry Hughes - 85.4

2. Lorenzo Alexander - 81.5

3. Micah Hyde - 81.3

4. Matt Milano - 73.6

5. Levi Wallace - 72.4

 

The bottom 5 graded on defense (minimum 150 snaps) are:

 

5. Eddie Yarbrough - 60.2

4. Star Lotulelei - 58.4

3. Rafael Bush 57.1

2. Jordan Phillips - 55.1

1. Tremaine Edmunds - 51.6

 

 

I'm admittedly not a fan of PFF. That said, I have two major quibbles with these grades: first and most glaringly obvious is no mention of White in top defensive grades. He is IMO one of the three best DBs in the entire league. Any list of top Bills defensive players without him at the top is off to a bad start. Second: I am not as enamored of Dawkins as they apparently are. I think he's been average at best and a liability at worst. He's still learning the position and he's got a lot of strength (when he engages and he's properly set you can't move him) but his technique in pass pro against agile DEs in particular needs a ton of work. 

 

Edmunds ranked worst seems a little harsh but understandable. I have no concerns about him. I'd argue Lotulelei is ranked lower than need be and Williams has clearly been more of a positive on defense than Wallace (who I like opposite White...sort of has that modern corner frame going on). I might swap Jones for Foster as well but that's probably splitting hairs.

[GunnerBill]

9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:

I'm admittedly not a fan of PFF. That said, I have two major quibbles with these grades: first and most glaringly obvious is no mention of White in top defensive grades. He is IMO one of the three best DBs in the entire league. Any list of top Bills defensive players without him at the top is off to a bad start. Second: I am not as enamored of Dawkins as they apparently are. I think he's been average at best and a liability at worst. He's still learning the position and he's got a lot of strength (when he engages and he's properly set you can't move him) but his technique in pass pro against agile DEs in particular needs a ton of work. 

 

Edmunds ranked worst seems a little harsh but understandable. I have no concerns about him. I'd argue Lotulelei is ranked lower than need be and Williams has clearly been more of a positive on defense than Wallace (who I like opposite White...sort of has that modern corner frame going on). I might swap Jones for Foster as well but that's probably splitting hairs.

 

I agree on Tre. I think one of the gradings flaws is that DBs who never get thrown at almost get punished for that. He is clearly the best player on the Bills defense and indeed team.  Dion I think they have ranked about right. His grade is a league average olineman grade - to put it in perspective he grades 44th out of 78 qualifying offensive tackles in the NFL. That he is the Bills' 4th best ranked offensive player says more about the Bills offensive talent than it does about Dawkins. 

 

On the defensive side Wallace is a small sample size - he only just meets the qualifying criteria of number of snaps. Shaq Lawson is just behind him as our 6th best ranked defensive player. 

 

On Zay - he is rising rapidly. Going back 4 or 5 weeks he was one of our worst graded players. His grade is up into the 60s now and he isn't far off the top 5. 

 

PFF isn't perfect, far from it, but it is a useful tool and the Tre White anomoly aside it isn't that far away from what my eyes are seeing either. 

Edited December 5, 2018 by GunnerBill

[Comebackkid]

On 9/18/2018 at 5:31 AM, Bring it said:

being a “fierce competitor

You obviously haven't seen KB at the all you can eat buffet

Edited December 6, 2018 by Comebackkid

[Bring it]

12 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:

You obviously haven't seen KB at the all you can eat buffet

Looks like he does ok there! Lol

[Bing Bong]

Hehehe. Peterman

[Midwest1981]

Phillips’ PFF grade is low but a lot of, if not most of, that is a result of his time in Miami- his grade was in the mid-40’s before he got here.

[Reader]

It's nice to see that Allen and Foster are doing relatively well. I know PFF tries to avoid this, however I would think that as a team plays better it makes it easier for each player to get a higher grade. Allen, Foster (and apparently Zay) seem to be doing well in spite of poor O-line play.

 

Also, if PFF is trusted, then McCoy's grade is interesting. Many on here seem to think he is underperforming (he still might be), but this is indicative that he's still doing better than the average player on the team.

[DCOrange]

8 minutes ago, Reader said:

It's nice to see that Allen and Foster are doing relatively well. I know PFF tries to avoid this, however I would think that as a team plays better it makes it easier for each player to get a higher grade. Allen, Foster (and apparently Zay) seem to be doing well in spite of poor O-line play.

 

Also, if PFF is trusted, then McCoy's grade is interesting. Many on here seem to think he is underperforming (he still might be), but this is indicative that he's still doing better than the average player on the team.

 

Regarding McCoy, he’s ranked 47th out of 62 qualifying RBs, so pretty damn bad considering he’s like the 2nd highest paid RB in the league. 

[Reader]

16 hours ago, DCOrange said:

 

Regarding McCoy, he’s ranked 47th out of 62 qualifying RBs, so pretty damn bad considering he’s like the 2nd highest paid RB in the league. 

 

I agree with that, he is definitely underperforming his salary. I think on the continuum of Shady sucks to he's behind a crappy o-line. PFF suggests it's further to the right than the knee-jerk reactions on the board here reflect. That being said, he needs to play better. 

[Rufridr101]

The rankings seem accurate to me foster has been open downfield alot Allen has just missed connecting multiple times I've been saying tremaine Edmunds isn't a middle linebacker he's an outside linebacker we need a true middle linebacker with instincts athletic ability is wasted without instincts on the outside he becomes heat seeking missile Tre white is a victim of his own success teams are game planning for him more the offensive line is struggling more because of the lost of wood at center need a center to anchor and lead the line 

[GunnerBill]

So let's put the wrap on this for the year:

 

So the top 5 graded on offense (minimum 200 snaps in Buffalo) are:

 

1. Chris Ivory - 74.3

2. Robert Foster - 72.1

3. Dion Dawkins - 69.2

4. Isiah McKenzie - 67.0

5. Josh Allen - 65.5

 

The bottom 5 graded on offense (minimum 200 snaps) are:

 

5. Wyatt Teller 55.5

4. Jason Croom - 53.3

3. Logan Thomas - 52.1

2. Vlad Ducasse - 49.8

1. Ryan Groy - 46.7

 

So the top 5 graded on defense (minimum 200 snaps) are:

 

1. Jerry Hughes - 88.7

2. Lorenzo Alexander - 85.7

3. Micah Hyde - 84.0

4. Levi Wallace - 83.5

5. Shaq Lawson - 76.4

 

The bottom 5 graded on defense (minimum 200 snaps) are:

 

5. Star Lotulelei - 59.9

4. Trent Murphy - 58.1

2=. Tremaine Edmunds - 57.4

2=. Eddie Yarbrough - 57.4

1. Jordan Phillips - 52.0

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

The bottom 5 graded on defense (minimum 200 snaps) are:

 

5. Star Lotulelei - 59.9

4. Trent Murphy - 58.1

2=. Tremaine Edmunds - 57.4

2=. Eddie Yarbrough - 57.4

1. Jordan Phillips - 52.0

 

I don't buy the Edmunds #'s.  I thought the rookie played very well as the QB of the defense.  

 

It sure looked to me that when Edmunds was out for concussion the D was worse than normal. 

 

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

 

[Magox]

21 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

I don't buy the Edmunds #'s.  I thought the rookie played very well as the QB of the defense.  

 

It sure looked to me that when Edmunds was out for concussion the D was worse than normal. 

 

Just like most stats they are simply metrics not the be-all-end-all

[GunnerBill]

23 minutes ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

 

I don't buy the Edmunds #'s.  I thought the rookie played very well as the QB of the defense.  

 

It sure looked to me that when Edmunds was out for concussion the D was worse than normal. 

 

 

I thought he made a lot of splash plays but he made a lot of basic errors as well - especially run game discipline. I can understand the grade.

[nedboy7]

36 minutes ago, Magox said:

Just like most stats they are simply metrics not the be-all-end-all

 

Like most stats they can paint a decent understanding of what’s going on. Much better than the fan’s “eye test”.  

[BuffaloHokie13]

32 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I thought he made a lot of splash plays but he made a lot of basic errors as well - especially run game discipline. I can understand the grade.

He made some great plays and still has plenty of room for improvement. That's a positive in my book!

[Magox]

9 minutes ago, nedboy7 said:

 

Like most stats they can paint a decent understanding of what’s going on. Much better than the fan’s “eye test”.  

Calm down neddy boy, I know you are still smarting over the Tyrod comment.

 

I'm not discounting PFF, I'm simply pointing out what I have always believed about stats, which is that they are metrics to be used to analyze performance but never are they determinants to make final conclusions.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000001007288/article/titans-derrick-henry-among-nfl-players-of-the-month

Tremaine Edmunds earned the Defensive Rookie of the Month honor to help bolster the growing excitement of the young roster in Buffalo.

 

In the Bills' blowout home win against the Dolphins in the final game of their season, Edmunds had the best game of his inaugural year; recording a pick, a sack, and a season-high 12 tackles in the game.

 

 

4 minutes ago, Magox said:

Calm down neddy boy, I know you are still smarting over the Tyrod comment.

 

I'm not discounting PFF, I'm simply pointing out what I have always believed about stats, which is that they are metrics to be used to analyze performance but never are they determinants to make final conclusions.

 

Exactly.    Stats do not tell the whole picture