Is anyone THAT upset being 0-2?

[Bing Bong]

2 hours ago, nucci said:

For now, yes....is that a problem?

to me they do

Joe's gone off the rails dude. Give him time. He was a cool dude last year. I think he's going through the denial stage of the grief process.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

 but people have a right to criticize

 

 

Sure, people have a right to throw their tantrums. No one's denying them that.

 

But other people have a right to call them out for being stupid and short-sighted.

 

 

[Bing Bong]

2 hours ago, mead107 said:

Don’t care.   Only go for the tailgate game is a bonus. 

Meade's all about the tailgate! Lol. We'd be podcasting but my buddy and i aren't up for discussing Bills blowouts. Until something exciting comes up.. I'll let you know! Tell us some 2018 tailgate stories.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

1 minute ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said:

Joe's gone off the rails dude. Give him time. He was a cool dude last year. I think he's going through the denial stage of the grief process.

 

Oh no, I'm perfectly fine, man.

 

In fact, I've just started the process of making this board a far more enjoyable place with liberal usage of the ignore tool

 

[row_33]

17 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Oh no, I'm perfectly fine, man.

 

In fact, I've just started the process of making this board a far more enjoyable place with liberal usage of the ignore tool

 

 

 

that is just for PPP,  you should be able to get along with 95% of the posts on TSW.... 

 

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

20 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Sure, people have a right to throw their tantrums. No one's denying them that.

 

But other people have a right to call them out for being stupid and short-sighted.

 

 

How short sighted is it?  McDermott manages the game (like many coaches do) as if in game analytics don't exist.  His fondness for running over passing and punting the ball is disturbing.  I thought once Doug Pederson showed everyone the example, more would follow.  There are a lot of things I like about McDermott but his old school game management is not one of them.

 

McDermott is a "defensive coach", but blowouts are becoming a regular thing, which should shake the confidence imo of fans and ownership.

 

McBean's 2018 free agent class might be the worst in Bills history.

 

There are extremely valid reasons to question this regime.

 

Finally, I know why he does it, but I am sick of McDermott's coach speak.  I am a very knowledgeable fan and have suffered for decades along with everyone else.  Him getting up there and saying the same bs time after time, after we get spanked, rubs me the wrong way.  

 

 

 

 

Edited September 17, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12

[reddogblitz]

15 minutes ago, McNubbins said:

Meh, not really.  Rookie QB, no weapons to throw to and a terrible oline.  I am a little disappointed with how the D has looked though.

 

Are you at all disspointed that our rookie QB has no weapons to throw to and a crappy oline?  We did have a draft and free agency period to get help.

[Bobby Hooks]

I mean, I had an idea it wasn’t going to be good. But am I upset, kinda, considering it wasnt fun to watch. 

 

I watch for entertainment and it wasnt entertaining. I’m also pretty upset they said they were going to bring our qb around the right way. 

 

Throwing him him out there with that line is damn near negligence. 

 

 

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

4 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Are you at all disspointed that our rookie QB has no weapons to throw to and a crappy oline?  We did have a draft and free agency period to get help.

It is curious that they decided to give their 7th overall rookie QB nothing to work with.

[Success]

If they didn’t turn it around in the 2nd half, I’d hate it.

 

Allen will make this season fun.  I’m glad he’s playing - he’ll be much more ready next year when we can hopefully have more pieces in place to contend.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

21 minutes ago, pop gun said:

Just think of the players off the bickering Bills that McBean would have gotten rid of

Bruce

Jim

Darryl

Biscut

Andre

 

You can't just get rid of talented players in the name of process and replace them with nothing. I was on board in the beginning but the start to this season has me really questioning what is going on here.

There still was no need to tear it all down, none whatsoever. If McBean feels he was incapable of expanding and attempting to make better a 9-7 playoff team then I don't know if I would trust him to rebuild anything.

I really do get your concern. But to your point about replacing them with nothing, if we go through the upcoming offseason not getting a windfall of quality FA's with all of the cash laying around, and multiplying our draft capital, I'd be more inclined to agree with you--I just think it's too early to say we've gotten nothing back, since it seems like everything's been geared towards writing off bad contract dead money and gaining picks, so at least that's a plan for enabling significant future acquisitions to move the product on the field forwards to compete for the actual division and knock of the Patsies once and for all. The problem is that's happened at the expense of short term competitiveness, worse than I expected for sure, and this on the heels of the playoffs, so our fan expectations are of course that we should be repeating, not going bottoms up. I don't think Beane has been as transparent and/or honest as he probably should've been along the way about this--no managing of expectations, or not enough at least. 

[McBean]

Allen looks great and we get a top 3 pick is all I care about this season.

[Rumblinstumblin]

3 hours ago, Lv-Bills said:

Yep, it's actually sickening.  I've never seen a franchise that has fans conditioned to think this way.  Anyone with any kind of objectivity could see that this team was putrid when all positions of need were neglected and ignored this offseason.  This coming off of a playoff year, in which the AFC was absolutely horrible. 

 

Think about it this way.  The Bills could easily be the only team in the AFC that didn't get better.  Easily the only team that didn't get better or at least stay the same.

 

Broncos - Better

Oakland - Better

Houston - Better

Tenn - Same/Decent

 

 

And we just gave up a year......and for what?  Are we the first team in NFL history to tank a season for a Non-QB first overall pick next year, even though we still don't know what we have at QB?

 

Garbage

Oakland and Broncos look like bad football teams. Texans/Deshaun are underachieving and the Titans are a 5 or 6 win team that should have lost to the Texans if the Texans weren't poorly coached with bad penalties, poor play by Watson, and poor play by the special teams

[NoHuddleKelly12]

20 minutes ago, K-GunJimKelly12 said:

How short sighted is it?  McDermott manages the game (like many coaches do) as if in game analytics don't exist.  His fondness for running over passing and punting the ball is disturbing.  I thought once Doug Pederson showed everyone the example, more would follow.  There are a lot of things I like about McDermott but his old school game management is not one of them.

 

McDermott is a "defensive coach", but blowouts are becoming a regular thing, which should shake the confidence imo of fans and ownership.

 

McBean's 2018 free agent class might be the worst in Bills history.

 

There are extremely valid reasons to question this regime.

 

Finally, I know why he does it, but I am sick of McDermott's coach speak.  I am a very knowledgeable fan and have suffered for decades along with everyone else.  Him getting up there and saying the same bs time after time, after we get spanked, rubs me the wrong way.  

 

 

 

 

I'm still not willing to pull the plug on McD, I feel like his fundamental back to basics approach was needed after blustering blowhard Sexy Rexy & nepotism-enabled Rob hit their ceiling, lost their mojo and couldn't get out of their own way, but the goodwill checks are definitely being cashed in at a drunken sailor in Rio type pace. Hopefully Allen gets the help he needs, and soon. 

[DuckyBoys]

If the Bills second half defense show up week in week out than Allen has a chance to win some games  Run Chris Ivory more

[Guest K-GunJimKelly12]

10 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

I'm still not willing to pull the plug on McD, I feel like his fundamental back to basics approach was needed after blustering blowhard Sexy Rexy & nepotism-enabled Rob hit their ceiling, lost their mojo and couldn't get out of their own way, but the goodwill checks are definitely being cashed in at a drunken sailor in Rio type pace. Hopefully Allen gets the help he needs, and soon. 

I'm not ready to pull the plug on them either.  They ended the drought in year one and should have a  long leash, but there are some serious warning signs going on here.

 

I agree with the philosophy of stripping down and trading away players for draft assets, but you can go too far.  You can deplete yourself of so much talent that you make it nearly impossible to get over the hump in the time you need to, to keep your job. 

 

This team appears to have struck out in free agency.  They are going to need a huge off-season to be competitive next year.  If they have free agent duds and don't have a major immediate impact from the draft, they will bottom feeders next season.  Unless Josh Allen is the real deal Holyfield, then all bets are off.  If he isn't it could be some ugly years again.

Edited September 17, 2018 by K-GunJimKelly12

[row_33]

12 minutes ago, DuckyBoys said:

If the Bills second half defense show up week in week out than Allen has a chance to win some games  Run Chris Ivory more

 

it requires the opponent with a commanding lead to let up and grind out the clock

 

did you see the stats Rivers compiled for that effort, considering the second half?

 

[reddogblitz]

2 minutes ago, row_33 said:

 

it requires the opponent with a commanding lead to let up and grind out the clock

 

did you see the stats Rivers compiled for that effort, considering the second half?

 

 

I'd like to see us play well in the first half while it's still a game sometime this season.

[nucci]

27 minutes ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

I really do get your concern. But to your point about replacing them with nothing, if we go through the upcoming offseason not getting a windfall of quality FA's with all of the cash laying around, and multiplying our draft capital, I'd be more inclined to agree with you--I just think it's too early to say we've gotten nothing back, since it seems like everything's been geared towards writing off bad contract dead money and gaining picks, so at least that's a plan for enabling significant future acquisitions to move the product on the field forwards to compete for the actual division and knock of the Patsies once and for all. The problem is that's happened at the expense of short term competitiveness, worse than I expected for sure, and this on the heels of the playoffs, so our fan expectations are of course that we should be repeating, not going bottoms up. I don't think Beane has been as transparent and/or honest as he probably should've been along the way about this--no managing of expectations, or not enough at least. 

how many quality FAs can you sign in one offseason?

[NoHuddleKelly12]

4 minutes ago, nucci said:

how many quality FAs can you sign in one offseason?

That's on Beane to figure out, he's cashing the paycheck to do so.

[nucci]

Just now, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

That's on Beane to figure out, he's cashing the paycheck to do so.

My point was that not many good players make it to FA

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

1 minute ago, nucci said:

My point was that not many good players make it to FA

Not many but enough 

 

Jerry Hughes 

Lorenzo Alexander 

Poyer 

just to name a few 

 

[NoHuddleKelly12]

3 minutes ago, nucci said:

My point was that not many good players make it to FA

Hopefully we can flash enough $$ in front of the impact ones that do hit the market, to right the ship--there's always enough given other teams' salary cap issues to where we should be able to take advantage, as one of the teams playing a starting QB on a rookie team friendly cap deal. I get it's not a cure-all, and hitting on the draft picks is key, but good grief, there have to be some moves to make where the money will fix a lot. 

[reddogblitz]

Just now, ShadyBillsFan said:

Jerry Hughes 

 

We traded for Jerry Hughes.

[CheshireCT]

One of the major issues for the team is that they never hit total rock bottom during the playoff drought. The team was always just below average....all efforts put into the team brought them occasionally to average or a couple of times slightly above average.

 

We knew that Beane & Mcdermott were tearing down the roster...then add to the fact that Wood had to retire and Incognito went clinically insane at the same time they traded Glenn and the O-Line completely fell apart. I'm not sure there was much they could have done in this case...

 

I will admit that I'm confused as to why McCoy is still on the roster....perhaps they can't unload his cap space properly so they're just keeping him. This is the one roster move I don't get. Other than that, I would say everything else signals complete rebuild. It's not their fault that the team has sucked for 20 years. Every regime deserves their chance to try it their way.

 

The last point I want to make is that the first 4 games or so of the season NEVER tell the story. We have all seen teams that look AMAZING at the beginning of the season only to totally tank and teams that look MISERABLE at the beginning of the season absolutely triumph. For the record, given how much we tore down the roster and the fact that we're starting a rookie quarterback, I don't expect a turn-around. Rather I expected from the beginning that we would totally suck this year. LOL

 

I'm still optimistic that Josh Allen will become the real deal. They have to work with him and build the rest of the team, which I hope they will manage. Only time will tell!!!

[reddogblitz]

15 minutes ago, CheshireCT said:

We knew that Beane & Mcdermott were tearing down the roster...then add to the fact that Wood had to retire and Incognito went clinically insane at the same time they traded Glenn and the O-Line completely fell apart.

 

Wood retired in January.  Glenn was traded in March.  Incognito quit in August.

 

So really they only get an excuse for Incognito IMHO.  there was a free agency period and draft after Wood retired.  Same with Glenn. They chose the schmucks to replace them they did.  this is one of the lamest of all the lame excuses IMHO.

Edited September 17, 2018 by reddogblitz

[Lv-Bills]

2 hours ago, mimisnowball said:

Oakland and Broncos look like bad football teams. Texans/Deshaun are underachieving and the Titans are a 5 or 6 win team that should have lost to the Texans if the Texans weren't poorly coached with bad penalties, poor play by Watson, and poor play by the special teams

The fact that Oakland has Carr, Lynch and Cooper make them 10 steps ahead of us.  They've played one super bowl contender and lost.  And barely lost on the road to a divisional rival.  They'll be fine.  Denver is 2-0.  Chances are that they may have already passed our total win total we will have this season.  Denver is slightly above average, which is also light years ahead of us.  Houston has a lot of talent all over the field.  They too are light years ahead of us, and are at least trying to win.  

 

The Titans are the most overrated team in the league.  And they might be one of our only legit chances at a win this season, other than maybe the Jets and/or Dolphins at home.

 

The Bills are void of talent at every position on offense.  And we have a couple of players on defense.  We are going to get lit up the next two weeks, and that will make 4 blowouts in a row.  That's when a player like Shady McCoy will start to become a problem.  I hope they trade him.  He doesn't deserve to play for a team that isn't trying to field a NFL team this season.

 

We suck.  It's OK to admit it.  It's part of their process and how they think we become good.  I happen to think it's a gutless approach, but they clearly are tanking, and tried to do the same last year as well.  Last year bit them in the arse, and now we are stuck with Fatass Benjamin as a result.

 

#Tank - 2nd Attempt

Edited September 17, 2018 by Lv-Bills

[jlgarsh]

I thought before the season that they'd take a step back, and go 4-12.  I didn't expect them to get embarrassed week 1 and look unprepared in week 2 until after halftime.  

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

They looked unprepared last week. 

 

This week it was all rookie jitters on the O. 

 

Let mcd call the D

 

[GreggTX]

Not really. I fully expect 0-4, though I'm also glad we played better in the 2nd half of that Bolts game. Maybe McDermott needs to start calling the plays on defense from now on. They actually played very well in the 2nd half against a good offense. Gotta hand it to Lorenzo too. I thought his age would really show this year and it just might, but right now, he's playing very well. Horrible Harry is looking good so far as well.

[McNubbins]

3 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Are you at all disspointed that our rookie QB has no weapons to throw to and a crappy oline?  We did have a draft and free agency period to get help.

Not really, because they didn't address the offense in the offseason aside from Allen.  I think they planned on Allen sitting this year, and setting the defense for the future.  The defense has given up like 78 points in two weeks.  Not good enough after all that investment.

[Avisan]

11 hours ago, NoHuddleKelly12 said:

kahonies

twitch

 

Cojones, hombre

Edited September 18, 2018 by Avisan

[CheshireCT]

11 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Wood retired in January.  Glenn was traded in March.  Incognito quit in August.

 

So really they only get an excuse for Incognito IMHO.  there was a free agency period and draft after Wood retired.  Same with Glenn. They chose the schmucks to replace them they did.  this is one of the lamest of all the lame excuses IMHO.

 

It's true that they could have addressed this if they really wanted to. I think the reality is that there weren't many great options there that made sense for the long term. I would say this is priority #1 for next season.

[NoHuddleKelly12]

7 hours ago, Avisan said:

twitch

 

Cojones, hombre

I stand corrected, thanks! 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

14 hours ago, reddogblitz said:

 

Wood retired in January.  Glenn was traded in March.  Incognito quit in August.

 

So really they only get an excuse for Incognito IMHO.  there was a free agency period and draft after Wood retired.  Same with Glenn. They chose the schmucks to replace them they did.  this is one of the lamest of all the lame excuses IMHO.

 

Incognito staged his twitter meltdown and retired in early April, weeks before the draft.  There was a draft and also remaining unsigned FA afterwards.

2 hours ago, CheshireCT said:

It's true that they could have addressed this if they really wanted to. I think the reality is that there weren't many great options there that made sense for the long term. I would say this is priority #1 for next season.

 

Long term, No.  Ducasse is 30.  Newhouse is 29.  Are they options that make sense for the long term? 

Elsewhere, have the Bills signing decisions all been driven by what makes sense for the long term?  

Davis, 30, in a position where speed matters, serious injury?

Boldin last year at age 36? Kerley this year age 29?  Andre Holmes age 30?  Chris Ivory age 30?

 

If the story is, the Bills are looking at what makes sense for the long term, where do these guys fit in?

If the story is, the Bills need to fill some seats with vets who can play short term, why can't that apply to OL FA too?

12 hours ago, McNubbins said:

Not really, because they didn't address the offense in the offseason aside from Allen.  I think they planned on Allen sitting this year, and setting the defense for the future.  The defense has given up like 78 points in two weeks.  Not good enough after all that investment.

 

If the plan to ensure that they sat Allen this year was alternatives of Peterman or AJ McCarron, that was a Bad Plan.

[sleeby]

I was expecting to start 0-4 before the season began.  All good.  Watch josh develop and hopefully edmunds too.  See what in the oline is serviceable by end of year.  I just hope we can look competent by week 5 and hopefully beat the titans - that's a more valid test as they suck as well plus we will have had some time to work out the jitters and such - like starters retiring at halftime.  Heh.

[T master]

Compared to the way i felt after the first game with Nate at the helm it's 100 times better & i realize that with all the rookies on the field we are not going to be a play off contender & the fact that there are some more tweaks that need to be made coaching wise so i would be glad if we do a 7-9 season .

 

But i think given the cap space they will have next year & another good draft the team is on the upswing & McD's process will show a increase each season as it goes along so i am willing to stay patient & see how this works out .

 

Plus a lot has been said how the first 4 games of this years season was against some of the top defenses in the league last year so i was kind of expecting a rough start !! After that the "Experts" say it will get easier for us ...

[row_33]

14 hours ago, jlgarsh said:

I thought before the season that they'd take a step back, and go 4-12.  I didn't expect them to get embarrassed week 1 and look unprepared in week 2 until after halftime.  

 

sums it up well

 

[tbarg12]

I thought before the season even started that they would most likely be scrapping for 3-4 wins, however I did think the defense would be their strong point and not getting embarrassed the way that they have in the first 2 weeks. They have just looked unprepared up until the second half of the Chargers game. 

 

Hopefully McDermott will continue to call the plays on defense, because that is the only time I have seen them play competitively, which is really all I want to see outside of Allen's development.   

[reddogblitz]

3 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Incognito staged his twitter meltdown and retired in early April, weeks before the draft.  There was a draft and also remaining unsigned FA afterwards.

 

You're right.  for some reason I thought it was August that he retired.  In fact it was April. No excuses for things. being this bad.