CuddyDark Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, joesixpack said: No proof it won't either. I agree. Which is why I go by what's been done so far. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 10 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: is there a particular player at #1 overall that would be the prize at this stage? Serious question, cause that would be amazing to get another Bruce Smith, but I don't follow college football and assume it'll be in flux until March. there's a few that could be #1 at this point in time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, John from Riverside said: better to have hope then to be a punchbowl pisser your whole life Just sayin Better to have results then live a fantasy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, CuddyDark said: I agree. Which is why I go by what's been done so far. Which is completely unreliable as an indicator due to: 1) it being the burn year 2) Beane having been here through exactly ONE offseason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: Well, I'd be more excited for #1 because of the potential bounty it would bring in picks. Say we could move from 1 to 3 and pick up a 2020 1, a couple twos and a three. That would be outstanding. That's what I was thinking. A quarterback some poor team at #20 is salivating for to give us the bounty. But I'd rather have the next Bruce Smith! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, PetermanThrew5Picks said: That's what I was thinking. A quarterback some poor team at #20 is salivating for to give us the bounty. But I'd rather have the next Bruce Smith! As would I. And that would be Nick Bosa. But, I'm not sure that's the right move. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berg1029 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I'm worried guys like Tre White will get disillusioned. Makes the playoffs in a stellar rookie year. Couldn't make an impact to help win the game if he played like Deion Sanders. It creates a losing culture if Tre White steps on the field knowing he'll lose and there's nothing he can do about it. McDermott obviously valued character very highly in filling this team out. This is when that character needs to shine. People like Tre White etc. need to be leaders and keep everyone on track, working that grind daily trying to improve despite the results. I hope their collective mental toughness is enough to withstand this season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 9 minutes ago, joesixpack said: Which is completely unreliable as an indicator due to: 1) it being the burn year 2) Beane having been here through exactly ONE offseason So what has actually happened is unreliable but your hope of a better future is fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, mannc said: Thank you. Tear-down rebuilds are not how it’s done in the NFL. Teams rebuild on the fly and it is a league designed for parity. Anyone selling you that we need to tear it down and start over to be good is full of it. If this team goes 1-15 or 0-16 it will be because of incompetence, not as the residue of some grand plan or process. Teams that go from mediocre to playoff runs have legit QB's. The Jags had 6 years of drafting in the top five picks. Even up to last year they were picking in the top 5. That was an overhaul. Bortles was border line bust until he progressed and the Jags got him offensive weapons while adding to their defense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineforty Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 everyone evaluates differently and has different expectations. I for one am trusting the long term process. before a game was played I was treating this season from a "house money" approach. Among my considerations were the realization we lost 3/5 of our OL, we have one of the worst WR groups, dead money galore, the QB situation, and more roster turnover. You don't have to like the plan, but to me, this is all going according to plan. Sure they'd love to overachieve again this year, but to assume that will happen I believe is an error. As is having expectations of a winning season. Complain about the effort and not being competitive... i understand that... I'm just not there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: That's what I was thinking. A quarterback some poor team at #20 is salivating for to give us the bounty. But I'd rather have the next Bruce Smith! I dont see any team that would be that desperate for a QB to move up to #1 or 2. Most teams have a QB unless they are going to draft someone to sit behind their aging starter. Never know though.....there may be a QB or a player a team is in love with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, BillsfanAZ said: I dont see any team that would be that desperate for a QB to move up to #1 or 2. Most teams have a QB unless they are going to draft someone to sit behind their aging starter. Never know though.....there may be a QB or a player a team is in love with. I'm hoping the Giants squeeze out too many wins and Eli retires. That team would be like.. Redskins for RGIII desperate 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 22 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: Better to have results then live a fantasy. Results need to be past tense......you must be a blast at the partys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JXCOL3 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I'm not upset in the slightest. I had hoped for a good year but let's be real, our team doesn't have a ton of talent. If anything this year I will enjoy most is watching the new crop of player's ( Tre White, Josh Allen, Harrison Phillips, Tremaine Edmunds) and I won't feel as if I'm missing something if I end up missing a game. It is almost liberating. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, CuddyDark said: So what has actually happened is unreliable but your hope of a better future is fact? No, did I say it was? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 (edited) When we made the playoffs last year, I naively thought this may be the beginning of a playoff streak. Then Wood retired and Incognito did whatever he did. Then I looked at our remaining roster. Then I looked at our dead cap money. Then I looked at how little we're spending on this year's players. And then, finally, I embraced more realistic expectations. If Edmunds and Allen both look like emerging stars by the end of this season, I'll be happy regardless of the win total. Edited September 17, 2018 by hondo in seattle 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I don't mind the losing. I DO mind the blowouts. Vikings spread is 16 points. I've never seen anything like it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 19 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: Results need to be past tense......you must be a blast at the partys The only person enlightened by excuses is the person making excuses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, CuddyDark said: The only person enlightened by excuses is the person making excuses. definately a punch bowl pisser. Please do let me know if your at any of my partys.....I will BMOB Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, John from Riverside said: definately a punch bowl pisser. Please do let me know if your at any of my partys.....I will BMOB Jokes on you, we're here to talk about the Bills. I'm not drafting players. I don't sign free agents. I know it's easier for dreamers to blame someone. I actually feel sorry for you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted September 17, 2018 Author Share Posted September 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, boater said: I don't mind the losing. I DO mind the blowouts. Vikings spread is 16 points. I've never seen anything like it. 16 points is absurd. I remember back in 07 when the Patriots were on their winning streak and we played them on Sunday night the spread was 10. We lost by 46 of I remember right. So this week we should theoretically lose by 60 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 hours ago, row_33 said: not surprised, kinda upset at the effort and lack of preparation doesn't get any easier the next two games after 43 years I still expect more than what they gave Boom....somebody gets it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lv-Bills Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 hours ago, nucci said: amazing how so many just accept losing with the hope we may have a decent team in 3-4 years Yep, it's actually sickening. I've never seen a franchise that has fans conditioned to think this way. Anyone with any kind of objectivity could see that this team was putrid when all positions of need were neglected and ignored this offseason. This coming off of a playoff year, in which the AFC was absolutely horrible. Think about it this way. The Bills could easily be the only team in the AFC that didn't get better. Easily the only team that didn't get better or at least stay the same. Jets - Better Dolphins - Better Pats - Still good. Pittsburgh - Still good Ravens - Better Browns - Better Bengals - Better Broncos - Better Oakland - Better KC - Better SD - Same/Decent Indy - Better Houston - Better Tenn - Same/Decent Jax - Better And we just gave up a year......and for what? Are we the first team in NFL history to tank a season for a Non-QB first overall pick next year, even though we still don't know what we have at QB? Garbage Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfanAZ Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 36 minutes ago, PetermanThrew5Picks said: I'm hoping the Giants squeeze out too many wins and Eli retires. That team would be like.. Redskins for RGIII desperate I think the Giants Oline is as bad as the Bills Oline. Eli might not make it to the end of the season. He was getting hammered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, BillsfanAZ said: I think the Giants Oline is as bad as the Bills Oline. Eli might not make it to the end of the season. He was getting hammered. They tried to "address" it by drafting like.. one round 2 guard with mostly the same other guys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 2 hours ago, nucci said: I am...tired of losing and looking like the worst team in the league. Always the excuse that we're rebuilding.....clearing cap space..... At least this time it’s actually true? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: At least this time it’s actually true? I'm hopeful even though it looks ugly now...not easy to rebuild from 3-4 win season Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 33 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: When we made the playoffs last year, I naively thought this may be the beginning of a playoff streak. Then Wood retired and Incognito did whatever he did. Then I looked at our remaining roster. Then I looked at our dead cap money. Then I looked at how little we're spending on this year's players. And then, finally, I embraced more realistic expectations. If Edmunds and Allen both look like emerging stars by the end of this season, I'll be happy regardless of the win total. thanks for the downer 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 51 minutes ago, BillsfanAZ said: Teams that go from mediocre to playoff runs have legit QB's. The Jags had 6 years of drafting in the top five picks. Even up to last year they were picking in the top 5. That was an overhaul. Bortles was border line bust until he progressed and the Jags got him offensive weapons while adding to their defense. We’ll see Bortles played the game of his life yesterday. He’s gotta do it more than once to prove he’s finally figured it out. 1 minute ago, nucci said: I'm hopeful even though it looks ugly now...not easy to rebuild from 3-4 win season There are some nice precedents. 2008 packers suffered though a 6-10 season with Rodgers after 13-3 with Favre. Two seasons later they’re hoisting a Lombardi. Manning won three games his rookie year, then went on to 15 winning seasons out of 16 seasons he played... Live fire learning and all the mistakes are the most painful but effective way to accelerate the learning curve. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 hour ago, John from Riverside said: We are going through the rough part of our schedule I need to see what the team looks like against the "middling" teams in our schedule before I can even get a sense of what our record might be. The Chargers and Ravens are middling teams. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 the rough part only goes the first 8 games 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, pop gun said: The Chargers and Ravens are middling teams. Not the Chargers....and these ARE the tough teams on our schedule besides the pats/vikings Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I am more upset it was 90 friggin degrees out and I got sunburned as bad a Vontae Davis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, JMF2006 said: I am more upset it was 90 friggin degrees out and I got sunburned as bad a Vontae Davis SO glad I didn't attend. Hot football games are just not fun, especially in the cheap seats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 1 minute ago, row_33 said: the rough part only goes the first 8 games By then they will be so beaten down 0-16 is a possibility. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KCNC Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 No in fact I expected it. Preseason pick was 4-12 and I'm sticking with it. 0-4 is a lock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 I think for most fans, expectations were so low that the reality of this team being hot garbage doesn't hurt. We have pretty much all concluded this is a lost, non-playoff year, by Week 2. The theory is that this is for the long term good of the team, so it is OK. That remains to be seen. If Allen doesn't come around, this is just a good old fashioned Bills disaster. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMF2006 Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, joesixpack said: SO glad I didn't attend. Hot football games are just not fun, especially in the cheap seats. Could have used a few of those cool misting fans in Section 218 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 3 hours ago, Steptide said: I found myself not caring at all that we lost yesterday. I was actually more excited to see Josh Allen's potential. Listening to the post game and even reading posts here, it seems most fans wernt THAT upset about it. This is a true re building year. We don't have that much talent at key positions. While I still want this team to win and turn it around this season, I'm fully pre pared for a 3 or 4 win season. I fully expected a loss, having the same hope for the future too. I actually trust the process McDermott preaches even more today. I think everyone needs to take a step back and look at what happened to the offensive line in the off-season and understand that it happened so fast, and probably after a full draft strategy had already been formulated. there are so many thin spots on this team, there really weren't any opportunities to fix the O-line. I think any avid football fan knew we were in for a rough ride this year. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted September 17, 2018 Share Posted September 17, 2018 Just now, JMF2006 said: Could have used a few of those cool misting fans in Section 218 The last game i took my girlfriend to, it was about 8 Billion degrees in the lower bowl. I was peeling off my face for a week afterwards. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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