xxxxxxxx Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Doc said: Records of what? Items he wanted returned and she obviously knew he wanted returned? Read please. Already covered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 I don't see how you get to "equally plausible". You have two witnesses saying there was a robbery of jewelry and a beating. How many witnesses are saying that she beat herself or some one else did? Two witnesses vs. none. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Hard Knocks got nuthin’ on us! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 minute ago, MURPHD6 said: Demand of returned items, was filed. As has been quoted by others. He's screwed. It wasn't filed anywhere. It was in a press release from her lawyer. That is no filing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: You don't consider a person doing that type of damage to themselves, by far, the LEAST likely of the three? Audio? Basically, do we actually have proof the attacked demaned those items...or is that all on her word? There is not enough evidence to clear or hang McCoy yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Just now, whatdrought said: I would say (based strictly on my opinion) it’s not as likely that she physically did it to herself, but that she had someone do it is very plausible to me. theres a million versions of this that are equally likely until we have more information. thats how this works. There’s hurting yourself and what happened to her face. I don’t know anyone with that level of crazy to do that much damage to themselves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Innocent until proven guilty by Trump / Goodell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Just now, whatdrought said: I would say (based strictly on my opinion) it’s not as likely that she physically did it to herself, but that she had someone do it is very plausible to me. theres a million versions of this that are equally likely until we have more information. thats how this works. that went from 3 equal, to one not as likely, to "a million"...pretty quickly there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 minute ago, MURPHD6 said: Demand of returned items, was filed. As has been quoted by others. He's screwed. Not acording to anything other than the motion filed by the GF's lawyer. Which has no force of law, in and of itself. It's just a "she said" at this point... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 21 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: I've been a critic of McCoy's off filed stuff---but this level of apologist vigor, I haven't yet seen. 4D stuff.. Don't be an ass. I'm not defending McCoy. I'm deconstructing your absolutist view of the world. People do crazy **** in the interests of maintaining their self-identity. Including, on rare occasions, women faking serious injury and claiming they were assaulted. Other well-known examples are Munchausen-by-Proxy, and your holier-than-thou pitching of ridiculous strawman arguments every time someone points out the world isn't as Manichean as you think. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Mickey said: I don't see how you get to "equally plausible". You have two witnesses saying there was a robbery of jewelry and a beating. How many witnesses are saying that she beat herself or some one else did? Two witnesses vs. none. Chris Carter knows a guy..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Just now, Virgil said: There’s hurting yourself and what happened to her face. I don’t know anyone with that level of crazy to do that much damage to themselves. Yeah- the actual ability to work herself over they way is hard. saying to cousin “smack me so we can say lesean beat me.” Followed by cousin going ape for any number of crazy reasons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Dr.Sack said: Innocent until proven guilty by Trump / Goodell. The Trumps have already cleared McCoy--concluding she had someone do to her by request, or simply did it herself. Nothing more Trumpian than that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Just now, Virgil said: There’s hurting yourself and what happened to her face. I don’t know anyone with that level of crazy to do that much damage to themselves. There is also angering someone completely unrelated, getting the crap beaten out of you, then lying about some details so you can try pinning it on McCoy, rather then having to explain why you really got beaten and by who. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Lurker said: Not acording to anything other than the motion filed by the GF's lawyer. Which has no force of law, in and of itself. It's just a "she said" at this point... No. It was in the court order he filed. What you are saying is not corect, I think your confused and stubnorn. Peace, I'm out. Edited July 11, 2018 by MURPHD6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 1 minute ago, whatdrought said: Yeah- the actual ability to work herself over they way is hard. saying to cousin “smack me so we can say lesean beat me.” Followed by cousin going ape for any number of crazy reasons? Maybe she knew Vince Wilfork is back on the market and wanted to adjust her beauty to his standards Edited July 11, 2018 by Virgil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said: Demand of returned items, was filed. As has been quoted by others. He's screwed. Where do you see that he filed a demand for return of items? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: Don't be an ass. I'm not defending McCoy. I'm deconstructing your absolutist view of the world. People do crazy **** in the interests of maintaining their self-identity. Including, on rare occasions, women faking serious injury and claiming they were assaulted. Other well-known examples are Munchausen-by-Proxy, and your holier-than-thou pitching of ridiculous strawman arguments every time someone points out the world isn't as Manichean as you think. Without going into detail.......yep. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 16 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: No he won't. To say that, you have to bet on the Roger Goodell not being capricious in his application of discipline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, The Red King said: Basically, do we actually have proof the attacked demaned those items...or is that all on her word? There is not enough evidence to clear or hang McCoy yet. Her word is proof. Not as good as a signed confession or a camera footage but witness testimony is still proof. And there was a second woman at the house who was injured in the attack. So two witnesses. Who knows where this will end up? I sure don't but it is not looking good for McCoy. Edited July 11, 2018 by Mickey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: that went from 3 equal, to one not as likely, to "a million"...pretty quickly there. Okay... see if you can follow this reason. We do not know what happened, so it’s possible that many different things could have happened. Does that make sense to you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 4 minutes ago, MURPHD6 said: I'm out. At least you got that right... https://heavy.com/sports/2018/07/lesean-mccoy-delicia-cordon-home-court-documents/ Edited July 11, 2018 by Lurker Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Just now, Mr. WEO said: The Trumps have already cleared McCoy--concluding she had someone do to her by request, or simply did it herself. Nothing more Trumpian than that. ...you're the only one jumping to conclusions, without evidence even. Many of us aren't ready to pass judgement either way without hard evidence, as it is just as possible he is being framed as he is guilty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 minute ago, The Red King said: There is also angering someone completely unrelated, getting the crap beaten out of you, then lying about some details so you can try pinning it on McCoy, rather then having to explain why you really got beaten and by who. I believe this as the most likely option. Women who have behaved like her know how to push some buttons 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: To say that, you have to bet on the Roger Goodell not being capricious in his application of discipline. If there's no connection to the attack on the ex, there would be a serious battle with the NFLPA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, The Red King said: There is also angering someone completely unrelated, getting the crap beaten out of you, then lying about some details so you can try pinning it on McCoy, rather then having to explain why you really got beaten and by who. Is there a single witness, credible or not, who is claiming that is what happened? Seriously, did I miss a key post 35 pages back? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Over a year. Uh oh. Someone didnt clear their story with Mom. This looks really bad now. Damn. Edited July 11, 2018 by MURPHD6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 minute ago, DC Tom said: Don't be an ass. I'm not defending McCoy. I'm deconstructing your absolutist view of the world. People do crazy **** in the interests of maintaining their self-identity. Including, on rare occasions, women faking serious injury and claiming they were assaulted. Other well-known examples are Munchausen-by-Proxy, and your holier-than-thou pitching of ridiculous strawman arguments every time someone points out the world isn't as Manichean as you think. This is nothing at all like Munchausen's disease (and obviously not by proxy). Clearly it's not faked either. I conjured up no straw men. Mentioning the "anything's possible" axiom doesn't make her self infliction of (clearly not "faked") serious injury any more likely. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 22 minutes ago, fridge said: I don't understand how you can put all that together from a couple instagram photos. She lists her occupation as “ instagram model “ and “aspiring” fashion designer. So she posts a few photos on IG and mocks up a few outfits. Seriously though, she’s squatting at her ex BFs house. It’s not hard to infer some of this stuff. A poster supposed she may have staged this to ruin McCoy or billed him of some of his $. Another chimed in that it does happen, though it’s rare. So many possibilities and it’s all conjecture right now. Her character seems at least as questionable as some make McCoys out to be, and probably far more in reality. He’s having to go through legal proceedings to get her out of a house he owns. That says a lot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: Hate to break it to McCoy's mom...but people do crazy ****, whether she chooses to believe it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly the Dog Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 I could easily imagine Shady dumb enough to tell someone he knew to go over and get the jewelry and not much more (like he probably didn't say beat her up if you have to). I could just as easily imagine Shady complaining the girl is in his house and has this jewelry worth $10K and he's never there and just some joker hearing that and taking it upon himself to just go and get it from a girl in a big house by herself that doesn't deserve it. I could just as easily imagine the girl mouthing off in a bar about !@#$ Shady and he gave me this 10K diamond brooch (I'm just making up the number) and I ain't giving it back and somebody hears her or her gf tells other people and some ass who knows where Shady lives just decides it's an easy $10K grab. All of those and more are equally plausible in my mind. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 3 minutes ago, The Red King said: ...you're the only one jumping to conclusions, without evidence even. Many of us aren't ready to pass judgement either way without hard evidence, as it is just as possible he is being framed as he is guilty. I'm only passing judgment of the suggestion that she did this to herself is a significant possibility. Come on! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 1 minute ago, Mr. WEO said: This is nothing at all like Munchausen's disease (and obviously not by proxy). Clearly it's not faked either. I conjured up no straw men. Mentioning the "anything's possible" axiom doesn't make her self infliction of (clearly not "faked") serious injury any more likely. Well, then...it's pretty clear you don't know **** about it, then. I even explained why it happened, and how it's similar, and you're willfully choosing to be ignorant in the interests of reinforcing your self-identity as a holier-than-thou dumbass. Why am I not surprised. I really could have predicted that, had I given you any thought at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, Virgil said: I believe this as the most likely option. Women who have behaved like her know how to push some buttons How has she behaved? Lets see, are there no examples of men beating their exes or having them beat? Why is it so likely that some sort of crazy conspiracy was cooked up as opposed to the garden variety, see it every damn day, guy beats ex girl friend domestic violence stuff? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, fridge said: Where do you see that he filed a demand for return of items? I see nothing about jewelry being returned. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The Trumps have already cleared McCoy--concluding she had someone do to her by request, or simply did it herself. Nothing more Trumpian than that. Well if Trump has cleared him he must be innocent. When has anyone ever heard Trump tell a lie? Edited July 11, 2018 by first_and_ten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Just now, Mr. WEO said: I'm only passing judgment of the suggestion that she did this to herself is a significant possibility. Come on! So you know for a complete fact that she didn’t? 100% positive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xxxxxxxx Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 5 minutes ago, Lurker said: At least you got that right... https://heavy.com/sports/2018/07/lesean-mccoy-delicia-cordon-home-court-documents/ Ok. Stop the troll. The doc says return items in his handwriting. That is what was talking about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fridge Posted July 11, 2018 Share Posted July 11, 2018 Just now, Boatdrinks said: She lists her occupation as “ instagram model “ and “aspiring” fashion designer. So she posts a few photos on IG and mocks up a few outfits. Seriously though, she’s squatting at her ex BFs house. It’s not hard to infer some of this stuff. A poster supposed she may have staged this to ruin McCoy or billed him of some of his $. Another chimed in that it does happen, though it’s rare. So many possibilities and it’s all conjecture right now. Her character seems at least as questionable as some make McCoys out to be, and probably far more in reality. He’s having to go through legal proceedings to get her out of a house he owns. That says a lot. Look man, we're all Bills fans. I like shady and want this to go away if he didn't do it just as much as anyone... ...but what's the point in calling her out the way that you are? One of the few facts that we do know is that she was beaten. I see no reason to jump so far ahead as to blame the victim, and I especially don't see why I would do that just because she's an instagram model (I don't understand why that's for shame btw - looks like it got her the opportunity to date an NFL star and go on fancy trips across the country...). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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