dave mcbride Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 The missing and highly salient individual in all of this discussion: On January 9, 2006, Marcus Vick was charged with three counts of brandishing a firearm, a Class One misdemeanor,[27][28] in Suffolk, Virginia. A police report alleged that he pointed a gun at a 17-year-old in the parking lot of a McDonald's in Suffolk after Vick's girlfriend had an argument with three people.[29] Vick claimed that the gun in question was a BlackBerry cell phone and that his accusers were trying to blackmail him.[30] On December 14, 2006, a 17-year-old girl from Montgomery County, Virginia, filed a civil lawsuit against Vick accusing him of molestation of a minor, fraud, and additional charges. In the lawsuit, seeking $6.3 million,[5] the girl claimed that when she was 15 (below the legal age of consent in Virginia), she was forced into a sexual situation with Vick, who was 20 years old, over a nearly two-year-long period. She also alleged that Vick offered to provide her alcohol and marijuana and forced her to have sex with other men.[6] On September 15, 2008, the parties agreed to a settlement in the lawsuit.[7] On June 13, 2008, a bicycle officer in Norfolk approached a couple arguing in a car. When asked for identification, Vick allegedly took off, driving the car at high speed. When another officer spotted the car and stopped it, Vick failed a sobriety test. He was charged with DUI, misdemeanor eluding police, driving on the wrong side of a street, reckless driving, driving on a suspended license, and was taken into custody.[31] Vick was living at the time in his brother Michael's riverfront mansion in Suffolk and Michael's condominium in the South Beach section of Miami Beach.[32] He was released on bond later Friday morning.[33][34][35] On October 20, Vick pleaded guilty to DUI. He was sentenced to 12 months in jail, which the judge suspended, a fine of $250, and his Virginia driving license was suspended for a year. He was also convicted of eluding a police officer and driving on the wrong side of the road, and fined $280 on those charges.[8] In August 2009, a judge ordered him to jail for probation violations including failure to complete an alcohol education program, testing positive for marijuana, missed appointments, and failure to pay court costs and fines. Vick was freed on a $25,000 bond and appealed the decision.[36] In January 2013, a judge sentenced Vick to five days in jail for failing to produce adequate documentation about his financial status by a court-ordered deadline. On December 30, Vick was arrested in Forsyth County for a second DUI, driving without a license, and driving with an expired car registration.[37] On April 5, 2016, Vick was charged with assaulting a police officer who was arresting him on a contempt charge in Virginia.[38] On July 11, Vick pleaded guilty in Newport News, Virginia to the resisting arrest charge and was ordered to serve one month in jail.[39] On October 8, 2016, Vick was again arrested on drug possession charges. An officer reportedly detected an odor of marijuana coming from an apartment as they approached it. This odor became stronger after the door was opened by a man inside, who was later identified as Vick.[40] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills.avfc Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said: Doubt should always be cast upon accusations rather than the accused. We live under a justice system based on reasonable doubt, after all. Reasonable doubt of guilt should always be assumed until proven otherwise. It is on the accuser to prove guilt. Innocence is presumed. The court of public opinion would be a lousy system to live under, as the rush to judgement shows. when you're part of the investigation, absolutely. it's a necessity to work from that viewpoint. but people not involved and picking sides and nailing their colours to the mast with no knowledge of the situation helps no-one. in fact, it can make it much worse. i'm not saying anyone here is doing that. i just mean in general. Edited July 10, 2018 by bills.avfc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, Commonsense said: Give me one high profile NFL incident that made sense to any rational thinking human being? Brian Banks, Reuben Foster, yeah no. You're right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskibreth Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, JaxBills said: The attack happened after she had the cameras removed. From what I understand the power was turned off before that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 21 minutes ago, njbuff said: Is there a RB available who isn't a woman beater? ? <BANG> Guilty as charged! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 I live in Jacksonville Florida. If anyone thinks it's a hop skip and a jump down 95 to Miami from here......... I've lived in California Texas and Florida. I realize not all states or as big,. but it's a journey to get anywhere from Miami by car. There is only one Interstate that leaves the city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, wiskibreth said: From what I understand the power was turned off before that. So she's living in a house with no power...? and inviting friends over? Not saying anything about the assault or whatever - i just think that is strange. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan1959 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, blacklabel said: Right? People that have formed opinions and found their "facts" on Twitter played a huge role in that orange crap-sack ending up in the White House. It's just crazy to see how controlling the mob mentality can become. I'm surprised it took 36 pages before someone brought Trump into a story about a home invasion and a vicious assault on the victim.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, wiskibreth said: From what I understand the power was turned off before that. Most security systems operate under independent power. Specifically so the security system will operate in a power shortage. I don't know that hers operates like that, but mine does. And I don't make millions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, JaxBills said: Most security systems operate under independent power. Specifically so the security system will operate in a power shortage. I don't know that hers operates like that, but mine does. And I don't make millions. Wasn't it McCoy's system given that he owned the house? Couldn't he in theory have it turned off? Would he be that stupid though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, JaxBills said: Most security systems operate under independent power. Specifically so the security system will operate in a power shortage. I don't know that hers operates like that, but mine does. And I don't make millions. Right - but why would you want to be in a house with no power? Can't see anything, can't cook anything, cant even charge ur phone to order a pizza. So i have to think they made him turn the power back on or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, The Real Buffalo Joe said: Thanks for such a hot take. Youre welcome! That was awfully nice of you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 5 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Right? People that have formed opinions and found their "facts" on Twitter played a huge role in that orange crap-sack ending up in the White House. It's just crazy to see how controlling the mob mentality can become. Take a hike, chump. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, dave mcbride said: Wasn't it McCoy's system given that he owned the house? Couldn't he in theory have it turned off? Would he be that stupid though? She had the cameras removed Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, dneveu said: So she's living in a house with no power...? and inviting friends over? Not saying anything about the assault or whatever - i just think that is strange. He cancelled the account that was in his name. Since she's legally living living there (pending the eviction lawsuit) she could have turned it back on in her own name. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 hours ago, Sweats said: Doesn’t really sound fake or like false accusations to me......it’s being reported on every possible source of media outlet the whole afternoon Reporting on the actual event or reporting a social media post was made about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, Bray Wyatt said: She had the cameras removed Is there a link for that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 The stupidest tweet I've seen in awhile: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Wasn't it McCoy's system given that he owned the house? Couldn't he in theory have it turned off? Would he be that stupid though? It's been alleged that she is the one who terminated the camera service. Or at least took them down. which leads to the next question. The utilities were obviously in his name so he was able to cut them off. Did she terminate the security service, or did she just remove the cameras? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Bray Wyatt said: She had the cameras removed How do we know this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, blacklabel said: Right? People that have formed opinions and found their "facts" on Twitter played a huge role in that orange crap-sack ending up in the White House. It's just crazy to see how controlling the mob mentality can become. Funny, but I’d bet most of those who are skeptical of the accusations are Trump voters. I can vouch for one anyway, myself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiskibreth Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, dneveu said: Right - but why would you want to be in a house with no power? Can't see anything, can't cook anything, cant even charge ur phone to order a pizza. So i have to think they made him turn the power back on or something. Yeah, and it's July in Georgia. Must have Air Conditioning! Maybe she was able to get it turned back on. who knows... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 7 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: Hell even then, if he flying Delta to ATL it was most likely delayed. One of the worse airports man. Nonsense! They've got a Chick-Fill-Uh. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, bbb said: The stupidest tweet I've seen in awhile: Brian Fu king banks girl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, JaxBills said: It's been alleged that she is the one who terminated the camera service. Or at least took them down. which leads to the next question. The utilities were obviously in his name so he was able to cut them off. Did she terminate the security service, or did she just remove the cameras? How is it that we "know" about the cameras being down and who took them down? The Twitter Telephone Game is really really bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 If this doesn't get resolved by Training camp Bills will have no choice but to cut him you can't have a guy on the roster with this **** hanging over them, awful look on the franchise Maybe without Shady we can truly tank next year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, dave mcbride said: Is there a link for that? 2 minutes ago, TBBills Fan said: How do we know this? I believe it had been reported in one of the documents in court that we read earlier (in this thread) Edited July 10, 2018 by Bray Wyatt 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffaloflash Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 28 minutes ago, Bray Wyatt said: AP is out there, he only beats children I beat mine 10 times worst then AP did his. Mine turned out pretty good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bills.avfc Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, KD in CA said: That's the stupidest thing written in this thread yet. Unbelievable. maybe i didn't accurately express myself. i understand that's important to doubt accusations and onus is on the accuser to provide evidence. what im saying is that people not involved in the investigation shouldn't cast judgement either way until more information becomes available because of the impact of the expression of doubt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, BeginnersMind said: How is it that we "know" about the cameras being down and who took them down? The Twitter Telephone Game is really really bad. crap, at this point. I don't even remember where I heard it. So I would look for legitimate information before taking my word on it. It was within this thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, Buffaloflash said: I beat mine 10 times worst then AP did his. Mine turned out pretty good! Congrats...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yeezus Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 The guy should be cut tomorrow morning i don't care if he wasn't directly involved, he obviously has something to do with this whole mess and thats big enough reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, JaxBills said: crap, at this point. I don't even remember where I heard it. So I would look for legitimate information before taking my word on it. It was within this thread. That's my point. There are no credible sources yet except for conjecture and rumor. A detail like this would take some actual reporting to dig up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsBytheBay Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Yeezus said: If this doesn't get resolved by Training camp Bills will have no choice but to cut him you can't have a guy on the roster with this **** hanging over them, awful look on the franchise Maybe without Shady we can truly tank next year For anyone who is arguing against my point about the consequences of social backlash, Yeezus here is making the point expressly. The man has not been convicted of any crimes. He wasn't even in the same state. I am not going to sit here and say he is not guilty of anything, but the to say a man should lose his job based off of an accusation is what's wrong with America right now. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeginnersMind Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, Yeezus said: The guy should be cut tomorrow morning i don't care if he wasn't directly involved, he obviously has something to do with this whole mess and thats big enough reason. 2 Why is that "obvious?" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, Yeezus said: The guy should be cut tomorrow morning i don't care if he wasn't directly involved, he obviously has something to do with this whole mess and thats big enough reason. Given what we know right at this moment, how is his involvement “obvious” exactly? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 3 minutes ago, Yeezus said: If this doesn't get resolved by Training camp Bills will have no choice but to cut him you can't have a guy on the roster with this **** hanging over them, awful look on the franchise Maybe without Shady we can truly tank next year Yeah.... nope thats not happening Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, billsfan1959 said: I'm surprised it took 36 pages before someone brought Trump into a story about a home invasion and a vicious assault on the victim.... More than likely he had something to do with it. Lets get someone investigating him as well. ...and yes in case its not obvious I am, in fact, joking. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 1 minute ago, bills.avfc said: maybe i didn't accurately express myself. i understand that's important to doubt accusations and onus is on the accuser to provide evidence. what im saying is that people not involved in the investigation shouldn't cast judgement either way until more information becomes available because of the impact of the expression of doubt. I disagree. Those not involved should always presume innocence and be skeptical of accusations. Unfortunately our society has tipped in the other direction. That’s a bad thing and why everything is a # now. Everyone is now automatically guilty of something whether it’s racism or whatever the flavor of the month/ year is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Real Buffalo Joe Posted July 10, 2018 Share Posted July 10, 2018 Just now, Johnny Hammersticks said: Given what we know right at this moment, how is his involvement “obvious” exactly? It was on Instagram AND Facebook. #CaseClosed 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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