Why Is Our Government Putting People In Cages?

[The_Dude]

5 minutes ago, OJ Tom said:

The real solution is..

 

Go to war with the Mexican government (cough..cartels), purge the institutions of corrupt officials, and install an occupation government.

 

I'm not sure it would work, but I can't think of any other way to end the shitholeness of Mexico.

 

I'm open to other ideas.

 

....you could cripple a cash crop of the cartels economy by legalizing weed here in the States. Then you could put an additional tax on the weed that are the cool kids are smokin that goes directly to the national debt. Then I totally high-five a bald eagle. American as ****! See! And you argue the leaf dulls the senses? C’mon, Tom, I’m all over this. 

Edited June 19, 2018 by The_Dude

[Prickly Pete]

10 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 

....you could cripple a cash crop of the cartels economy by legalizing weed here in the States. Then you could put an additional tax on the weed that are the cool kids are smokin that goes directly to the national debt. Then I totally high-five a bald eagle. American as ****! See! And you argue the leaf dulls the senses? C’mon, Tom, I’m all over this. 

 

How would that improve things in Mexico?

 

PS.  I think you are confusing me with somebody else. This is "OJ" not "DC" Tom. Sure I know the names are similar, and the photo (his guy has a mustache...big difference!) is a bit alike, but really, just go by the content of our posts ?.

Edited June 19, 2018 by OJ Tom

[DC Tom]

31 minutes ago, B-Man said:

“If my Democratic colleagues will join me, not play politics but work to solve the problem, we can start to end family separation this week. And, we can honor the rule of law.”

 

 

Sen. Ted Cruz has put forward his legislation,

 

What’s inside Sen. Cruz emergency legislation to prevent immigrant child separation?

 

 

 

 

I would also strongly encourage those with real interest in this problem to go back to the last page and check the two articles that I posted there, amongst the blathering of the lemmings.

 

 

 

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Never going to pass.  The Democrats will filibuster legislation before they'll ever let the Republicans take any credit for immigration reform.

[keepthefaith]

12 minutes ago, OJ Tom said:

The real solution is..

 

Go to war with the Mexican government (cough..cartels), purge the institutions of corrupt officials, and install an occupation government.

 

I'm not sure it would work, but I can't think of any other way to end the shitholeness of Mexico.

 

I'm open to other ideas.

How about a large reciprocating saw to hack off Mexico and Central America?  Cheaper than a wall and a lot less ongoing maintenance and the new beachfront property will generate a lot in property and hospitality taxes. 

Edited June 19, 2018 by keepthefaith

[B-Man]

Another banner day for the Leftist social media mob as it slanders a Marine and paralympic athlete who lost both his legs in combat as a Nazi

 

 

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Edited June 19, 2018 by B-Man

[Gary M]

4 hours ago, joesixpack said:

 

TURN EVERYONE AT THE BORDER AWAY.

 

 

And how would we do that?   Maybe a wall?

4 hours ago, OJ Tom said:

 

I still think the kids should be given back to the Mexican authorities right away, and let them handle it. 

 

Because they can be trusted!!!!

[3rdnlng]

39 minutes ago, OJ Tom said:

 

How would that improve things in Mexico?

 

PS.  I think you are confusing me with somebody else. This is "OJ" not "DC" Tom. Sure I know the names are similar, and the photo (his guy has a mustache...big difference!) is a bit alike, but really, just go by the content of our posts ?.

That's my line and you need a license to use it.

[Warren Zevon]

3 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

That's my line and you need a license to use it.

 

 

[DC Tom]

54 minutes ago, The_Dude said:

 See! And you argue the leaf dulls the senses? C’mon, Tom, I’m all over this. 

 

52 minutes ago, OJ Tom said:

 

PS.  I think you are confusing me with somebody else. This is "OJ" not "DC" Tom. Sure I know the names are similar, and the photo (his guy has a mustache...big difference!) is a bit alike, but really, just go by the content of our posts ?.

 

Yeah...I'm going to argue that pot makes you stupid. 

[B-Man]

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2018/06/audio-recording-the-voices-of-the-children-left-behind-at-the-border/563123/

 

FTA:

The person estimated that the children on the recording are between four and ten years old. It appeared that they had been at the detention center for less than 24 hours, so their distress at having been separated from their parents was still raw. Consulate officials tried to comfort them with snacks and toys. But the children were inconsolable.

 

The child who stood out the most was the six-year-old Salvadoran girl with a phone number stuck in her head. At the end of the audio, a consular official offers to call the girl’s aunt. ProPublica dialed the number she recited in the audio, and spoke with the aunt about the call.

 

“It was the hardest moment in my life,” she said. “Imagine getting a call from your six-year-old niece. She’s crying and begging me to go get her. She says, ‘I promise I’ll behave, but please get me out of here. I’m all alone.’”

 

The aunt said what made the call even more painful was that there was nothing she could do. She and her nine-year-old daughter are seeking asylum in the United States after immigrating here two years ago for the exact same reasons and on the exact same route as her sister and her niece. 

 

She said her niece and sister set out for the United States over a month ago. They paid a smuggler $7,000 to guide them through Guatemala, and Mexico and across the border into the United States. Now, she said, all the risk and investment seem lost.

 

 

 

[3rdnlng]

8 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

 

Yeah...I'm going to argue that pot makes you stupid. 

Oh yeah, I'm going to argue that it wasn't the pot.

[The_Dude]

1 hour ago, OJ Tom said:

 

How would that improve things in Mexico?

 

PS.  I think you are confusing me with somebody else. This is "OJ" not "DC" Tom. Sure I know the names are similar, and the photo (his guy has a mustache...big difference!) is a bit alike, but really, just go by the content of our posts ?.

 

Yeah...I’m high. Yup. ?

14 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

 

Yeah...I'm going to argue that pot makes you stupid. 

 

In this case....I got nothin. So, anyways, sometimes when you’re high you....ya know....as one does. Well, yes. That’s it. As one does. 

[ALF]

11 hours ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

I didn't either. I thought it was bull **** like Gary and Happy. Then I went out and saw it myself. I talked to the victims. I talked to the traffickers. I talked to the LEOs who make these raids every night in SoCal. 

 

The worst part is the systemic nature of this. It's everywhere. Not just in SoCal. And it's everywhere because many institutions which are supposed to protect children are horribly compromised by those who prey on children. There's a national conversation about this coming, it won't be pretty and it won't be easy for anyone. But it has to happen because there are children today who we could help if we only were aware of their plight. 

 

Since this is known by the LEO , wouldn't this be a major reason for more border security to try and stop human trafficking. It might even make a wall be even more necessary . Why haven't they gone to the MSM  with this info  to try and get a more secure border and screening to stop this problem.

No one could oppose stopping human trafficking of children I would think.

[BeginnersMind]

13 hours ago, TakeYouToTasker said:

 

It's not about separating kids from their parents, it's about breaking up human trafficking rings, and stopping child sex trafficking.

 

Not according to Stephen Miller, the brains behind the criminal prosecutions/detentions. They are arriving to the trafficking justification after the heat came down. They want to criminally prosecute the illegals because of the annual immigration uptick, and if they do that, they need to separate the children who won’t be prosecuted from adults who will. 

 

Bush and Obama wrestled with the same exact issue and erred on the side of keeping families together. Trump is not and he’s now dealing with a political consequences. 

 

This wont last long. The heat is way too high. But Trump backed himself into a political corner. It’s now a staring contest as to who will do the right thing first. Trump backs off the policy or Dems join legislative action. Both will have the same effect. Families won’t be torn apart. Illegals will still cross. Some political point will be scored. And around we go. 

[outsidethebox]

1 minute ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Not according to Stephen Miller, the brains behind the criminal prosecutions/detentions. They are arriving to the trafficking justification after the heat came down. They want to criminally prosecute the illegals because of the annual immigration uptick, and if they do that, they need to separate the children who won’t be prosecuted from adults who will. 

 

Bush and Obama wrestled with the same exact issue and erred on the side of keeping families together. Trump is not and he’s now dealing with a political consequences. 

 

This wont last long. The heat is way too high. But Trump backed himself into a political corner. It’s now a staring contest as to who will do the right thing first. Trump backs off the policy or Dems join legislative action. Both will have the same effect. Families won’t be torn apart. Illegals will still cross. Some political point will be scored. And around we go. 

Let's just let everyone in. Just walk right through the border. What the hell right? Think of all the new voters and the possibilities!?

 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

40 minutes ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Not according to Stephen Miller, the brains behind the criminal prosecutions/detentions. They are arriving to the trafficking justification after the heat came down. They want to criminally prosecute the illegals because of the annual immigration uptick, and if they do that, they need to separate the children who won’t be prosecuted from adults who will. 

 

Bush and Obama wrestled with the same exact issue and erred on the side of keeping families together. Trump is not and he’s now dealing with a political consequences. 

 

This wont last long. The heat is way too high. But Trump backed himself into a political corner. It’s now a staring contest as to who will do the right thing first. Trump backs off the policy or Dems join legislative action. Both will have the same effect. Families won’t be torn apart. Illegals will still cross. Some political point will be scored. And around we go. 

 

Hooray inertia.

[Doc Brown]

 

[4merper4mer]

8 hours ago, LABillzFan said:

 

The left is much happier recording the sounds of crying children and pointing at who is to blame LONG before they will ever be interested in a solution.

 

They have no desire to fix anytthing but the mid-terms. They only have a desire to create an enemy.

 

And Trumps is playing them like cheap fiddles through the entire thing.

 

It's pretty damn funny. They keep thinking this is the right play, and they keep losing day after day after day.

 

I'm not sure Trump is winning against this particular coordinated barrage but you are 100% correct about the left and the press.  

[Albwan]

57 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

 

...and got patted on the head by mike obama...

[Albwan]

Don't be distracted by the current pack of lies, this is another sleight of hand,

so you aren't looking at the investigation into the fbi rats taking place yesterday 

and today. There's the real news, the real traitors and criminals.

[mead107]

So why haven’t the people we elected stepped up from both sides and passed a bill stopping this awful process. ??????????

 

 

[Tiberius]

35 minutes ago, mead107 said:

So why haven’t the people we elected stepped up from both sides and passed a bill stopping this awful process. ??????????

 

 

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Why doesn't the president just stop the process he started? This awful process. This is all on Trump. 

 

As Republican Ben Sasse said 

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This is wrong. Americans do not take children hostage, period.

 

[mead107]

Then the Democrats should shut him up and work with the other side and shut him down.  No cant do that better to blame trump. 

[Tiberius]

Just now, mead107 said:

Then the Democrats should shut him up and work with the other side and shut him down.  No cant do that better to blame trump. 

Trump said blame the Democrats. 

 

You are blaming the Democrats. 

 

Trump needs to back down and back track on this. It's his bad policy.  

[TakeYouToTasker]

2 hours ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Not according to Stephen Miller, the brains behind the criminal prosecutions/detentions. They are arriving to the trafficking justification after the heat came down. They want to criminally prosecute the illegals because of the annual immigration uptick, and if they do that, they need to separate the children who won’t be prosecuted from adults who will. 

 

Bush and Obama wrestled with the same exact issue and erred on the side of keeping families together. Trump is not and he’s now dealing with a political consequences. 

 

This wont last long. The heat is way too high. But Trump backed himself into a political corner. It’s now a staring contest as to who will do the right thing first. Trump backs off the policy or Dems join legislative action. Both will have the same effect. Families won’t be torn apart. Illegals will still cross. Some political point will be scored. And around we go. 

 

They arrived at the trafficking objective prior to taking office.

 

It was one of the main purposes of Trump's run, and is consistent with his foreign policy objectives, and executive orders he has signed which have been discussed on this board starting months ago.

 

You are misinformed on the issue.

[B-Man]

Separating Families At The Border: The Hysteria Overlooks Some Key Facts

Original Article   Illegal Immigration: The latest outrage by the Trump administration is its policy of "ripping" children away from parents who´ve crossed the border illegally. As with so many other things involving Trump, there´s plenty of emotion but precious little in the way of facts. The furor reached critical mass after the Department of Homeland Security said on Friday that 1,995 children had been separated from their illegal border crossing parents from mid-April through May. That number included, DHS said, cases where the adults were arrested for illegal entry, immigration violations, or possible criminal conduct.

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, mead107 said:

So why haven’t the people we elected stepped up from both sides and passed a bill stopping this awful process. ??????????

 

 

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because they don't care about the families, they don't care about the children, and they don't care about what happens to them. they are pawns in a political game that has gone on for decades. It's shameful, and the game now goes on. Faux outrage from senators of all stripes will show up on camera, neatly dressed and made up, making sure the camera catches their good side, and speak passionately about the children all while knowing the policies (or lack thereof) result in suffering, abuse, sexual exploitation, and death to...hundreds of thousands? millions? 

 

meanwhile, simple folk at home see crying babies on the TV, and think that's the real problem. 

 

Next time I go to Canada with my kids, I think I'll stop the car just short of the entry point, hop out and make a run for it. When they catch me I'll just tell them I wanted to grab a few prescriptions but thought waiting lines were for suckers.  I'm sure my kids will be brought to me immediately. 

 

 

 

[Azalin]

2 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

 

Next time I go to Canada with my kids, I think I'll stop the car just short of the entry point, hop out and make a run for it. When they catch me I'll just tell them I wanted to grab a few prescriptions but thought waiting lines were for suckers.  I'm sure my kids will be brought to me immediately. 

 

 

Keep me posted - I'll make up some signs, gin up a little manufactured outrage, and will protest on your behalf at the border.

[DC Tom]

3 hours ago, BeginnersMind said:

 

Not according to Stephen Miller, the brains behind the criminal prosecutions/detentions. They are arriving to the trafficking justification after the heat came down. They want to criminally prosecute the illegals because of the annual immigration uptick, and if they do that, they need to separate the children who won’t be prosecuted from adults who will. 

 

Bush and Obama wrestled with the same exact issue and erred on the side of keeping families together. Trump is not and he’s now dealing with a political consequences. 

 

This wont last long. The heat is way too high. But Trump backed himself into a political corner. It’s now a staring contest as to who will do the right thing first. Trump backs off the policy or Dems join legislative action. Both will have the same effect. Families won’t be torn apart. Illegals will still cross. Some political point will be scored. And around we go. 

 

Illustrating the true stupidity of this.  This is generating enough outrage for bipartisan support if an immigration reform bill that could pass with a veto-proof majority.

 

Instead...the left wants to scream at the sky until they get their way and Trump does what they want.  Because !@#$ legislating, long live The Emperor!

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

8 minutes ago, Azalin said:

 

Keep me posted - I'll make up some signs, gin up a little manufactured outrage, and will protest on your behalf at the border.

Thanks, but don't go out of your way.  I'm caucasian but I tan up a bit in the summer. That makes me disposable, and in that regard, I'm  similar to the people we're discussing here. How is that for irony. 

 

Now, if you know the Kardashians maybe we have a shot. 

[Tiberius]

12 minutes ago, DC Tom said:

 

Illustrating the true stupidity of this.  This is generating enough outrage for bipartisan support if an immigration reform bill that could pass with a veto-proof majority.

 

Instead...the left wants to scream at the sky until they get their way and Trump does what they want.  Because !@#$ legislating, long live The Emperor!

But what isn't the left's fault? 

Trump even has people like this criticizing his policy of separating children

 

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Hey, when a Fox pundit says you’re abusing little children, it is time to rethink. “Andrew Napolitano: Trump is ‘Trying to Use Children’ as Negotiating Chip, Policy is ‘Child Abuse.'”

Trump just needs to give the order to stop this. He is evil 

[3rdnlng]

Why don't we just eliminate Congress?

[DC Tom]

19 minutes ago, 3rdnlng said:

Why don't we just eliminate Congress?

 

It's what the Democrats want.  

[Deranged Rhino]

6 hours ago, ALF said:

Since this is known by the LEO , wouldn't this be a major reason for more border security to try and stop human trafficking. It might even make a wall be even more necessary .

 

This is the major reason many in politics or local governments on the ground push for a wall and stronger borders.

 

Keeping the flow of children going is also the major motivation behind the groups funding open border causes and politicians. 

 

6 hours ago, ALF said:

Why haven't they gone to the MSM  with this info  to try and get a more secure border and screening to stop this problem.

No one could oppose stopping human trafficking of children I would think.

 

One would assume no compassionate human being could oppose stopping human trafficking of children once they become aware of it - except of course those who profit from the scourge or who are directly involved in it. That's just logic, right? 

 

Now ask your question again. Why is the MSM silent on this issue? Why are politicians - state, local, and federal, overwhelmingly silent on this issue? 

 

That's your answer, as ****ty and unsettling as it is. There are people inside our government - state, local, and federal - who profit from this and do not wish it to end. They can't openly advertise why they're for "open borders", so they mask it in faux humanitarian concern. Because who would think people trying to "help" innocent refugees enter the country would have such a sinister ulterior motive?

 

The systemic nature of this is the problem. As I said earlier, if the scale and scope of this were to be made known fully it would break people. Not just because they couldn't handle the darkness - but because they couldn't handle the revelation that the people and institutions charged with protecting at risk children, like CPS, are deeply compromised by people who want nothing more than to keep the flow of children into this country going on unabated. That doesn't mean every person working in CPS, or every politician is guilty of this - but loads are, especially near the top of the leadership chain - either of their own free will or they've been forced to comply with the agenda through blackmail. 

 

Sounds crazy. Sounds implausible. That's how the trick works. There undoubtedly a LOT of sensationalized disinformation out there on this topic, designed to make it sound cartoonish (pizzagate) rather than real. This gets good people like you, Gary, and Happy - who WOULD be outraged to learn the truth - to ignore it. To write it off as "alt-right" rather than look into the matter for themselves. 

 

That's how you hide something in plain sight.

 

[BringBackOrton]

3 hours ago, Tiberius said:

Trump said blame the Democrats. 

 

You are blaming the Democrats. 

 

Trump needs to back down and back track on this. It's his bad policy.  

 

[TakeYouToTasker]

9 minutes ago, Deranged Rhino said:

 

This is the major reason many in politics or local governments on the ground push for a wall and stronger borders.

 

Keeping the flow of children going is also the major motivation behind the groups funding open border causes and politicians. 

 

 

One would assume no compassionate human being could oppose stopping human trafficking of children once they become aware of it - except of course those who profit from the scourge or who are directly involved in it. That's just logic, right? 

 

Now ask your question again. Why is the MSM silent on this issue? Why are politicians - state, local, and federal, overwhelmingly silent on this issue? 

 

That's your answer, as ****ty and unsettling as it is. There are people inside our government - state, local, and federal - who profit from this and do not wish it to end. They can't openly advertise why they're for "open borders", so they mask it in faux humanitarian concern. Because who would think people trying to "help" innocent refugees enter the country would have such a sinister ulterior motive?

 

The systemic nature of this is the problem. As I said earlier, if the scale and scope of this were to be made known fully it would break people. Not just because they couldn't handle the darkness - but because they couldn't handle the revelation that the people and institutions charged with protecting at risk children, like CPS, are deeply compromised by people who want nothing more than to keep the flow of children into this country going on unabated. That doesn't mean every person working in CPS, or every politician is guilty of this - but loads are, especially near the top of the leadership chain - either of their own free will or they've been forced to comply with the agenda through blackmail. 

 

Sounds crazy. Sounds implausible. That's how the trick works. There undoubtedly a LOT of sensationalized disinformation out there on this topic, designed to make it sound cartoonish (pizzagate) rather than real. This gets good people like you, Gary, and Happy - who WOULD be outraged to learn the truth - to ignore it. To write it off as "alt-right" rather than look into the matter for themselves. 

 

That's how you hide something in plain sight.

 

 

There's also the fact that the evil is so massive, and so present, that if a person acknowledges it, and does nothing, they become complicit.

 

It's hard to come to terms with that.  It does a real number on your sense of self and purpose, once you accept as true that this sort of evil exists.  It's easier for the mind to deny it.  Confronting evil is hard.

[ALF]

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

 

 

Democrats are the problem. They don’t care about crime and want illegal immigrants, no matter how bad they may be, to pour into and infest our Country, like MS-13. They can’t win on their terrible policies, so they view them as potential voters!

 

That is just so wrong. How can there be bipartisan cooperation with  slander like that.

Edited June 19, 2018 by ALF

[Tiberius]

1 minute ago, ALF said:

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

 

 

Democrats are the problem. They don’t care about crime and want illegal immigrants, no matter how bad they may be, to pour into and infest our Country, like MS-13. They can’t win on their terrible policies, so they view them as potential voters!

 

That is just so wrong. How can there be bipartisan cooperation with with slander like that.

Pure and simple scapegoating of immigrants. Just like Hitler did to the Jews. 

[Warren Zevon]

Just now, ALF said:

 

That is just so wrong. How can there be bipartisan cooperation with with slander like that.

 

All of this president's policies are made in an attempt to fracture American political discourse. It's working like a charm. See this forum.

[BringBackOrton]

2 minutes ago, ALF said:

Donald J. Trump‏Verified account @realDonaldTrump 2h2 hours ago

 

 

Democrats are the problem. They don’t care about crime and want illegal immigrants, no matter how bad they may be, to pour into and infest our Country, like MS-13. They can’t win on their terrible policies, so they view them as potential voters!

 

That is just so wrong. How can there be bipartisan cooperation with with slander like that.

Wow.  It's almost like calling each other Nazis, racists, fascists, dictators, and !@#$s for 3 years is detrimental to the process of governing.

 

Who knew?

1 minute ago, peace out said:

 

All of this president's policies are made in an attempt to fracture American political discourse. It's working like a charm. See this forum.

To be fair, you didn't have a lot to offer in the way of political discourse.  You were offering something closer to political bathroom graffiti.  The kind that's written in human feces.