RD1, Pick 7: Josh Allen QB - Wyoming

[nbbillsfan]

7 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Until he proves otherwise, he's JaMarcus Russel with atleticism and a nice wonderlic score.

 

Lol you said that like it’s a bad thing...but Jamarcus with athleticism smarts (and work ethic) could have been a pro bowler..

[BullBuchanan]

45 minutes ago, billspro said:

 

Pretty sure you made that up. 

 

Mayfield was terrible in the senior bowl game. He has an issue with holding the ball too long. He is going to have to clean that up at the NFL level if he wants to succeed.

 

Allen’s senior bowl was fantastic. I can hardly wait to see what he does with NFL talent in minicamp and training camp.

 

The senior bowl is the NCAA Pro Bowl. If that's where you're making your case about a player you're doing it wrong.

[eball]

12 hours ago, Sky Diver said:

Bob Matthews in Richester is a dunce too.

 

He's ancient.  I think his forte is actually horse racing.

 

4 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

The senior bowl is the NCAA Pro Bowl. If that's where you're making your case about a player you're doing it wrong.

 

That's overstating it quite a bit.  Yes, there is no blitzing, but if you don't think most of these kids are using that game to try and impress NFL scouts you're dead wrong.

Edited May 2, 2018 by eball

[Victory Formation]

5 hours ago, NickelCity said:

 

Good. I'm still steamed about it. Who the !@#$ wears pats* gear?

Probably an aspiring QB who wants to emulate the best to ever play the game. I see a lot of Brady in Allen, it's clear he emulates many aspects of Brady's game. 

[BuffaloHokie13]

9 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:

Nothing to link to, but Josh Allen has deleted that disgusting picture of him in a Brady jersey from his twitter. Let's go!

He's going to need to beat Brady on Monday Night to make up for ever taking the pic in the first place...

[Ralonzo]

14 hours ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

What exactly did Beane and McDermott see in Allen that made them willing to move Glenn, #12, #53, #56?

 

Ok this is the third or fourth time you’ve said this and it annoys me. The Bills traded #21 and Glenn for #12. You can say they gave up Glenn, #21, #53, #56. Or you can say #12, #53, #56. You just jumble it to make the trade up look “worse” in your eyes.

[Hapless Bills Fan]

On 4/30/2018 at 10:27 PM, BuffaloRush said:

How can you possibly find anything when you have a 77 page thread?

 

Search function works for some of us. 

[BuffaloRush]

4 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

Search function works for some of us. 

 

Nah it’s a giant mess to try to sitting through nearly a hundred page.  If that’s the case, why don’t we just one giant “Buffalo Bills Discussion” thread with thousands of pages.  Search function works for some of us, right?

 

 

[racketmaster]

7 hours ago, Carter said:

Arizona had Rosen rated #1 the entire time. Allen was 5 on their list.  

 

This is just wrong. 

Reports conflict with this opinion:

 

Chris Simms, a former NFL quarterback and co-host of the Simms & Lefkoe podcast on Bleacher Report, reported Tuesday that the Cardinals were "heartbroken" they didn't land Wyoming QB Josh Allen -- and in fact, the Cardinals and Denver Broncos were prepared to make a trade that would allow that to happen.

But the selection made by the Cleveland Browns with the No. 4 overall pick -- one spot ahead of the Broncos at No. 5 -- threw a wrench into those plans.

"Everything I know is that the No. 5 pick with the Broncos, the trade was in place, and it was with Arizona. And then (defensive end Bradley) Chubb was on the board," Simms said. "The Arizona Cardinals were heartbroken they did not get Josh Allen."

Simms' assertion matches up with a pair of reports from before the draft. In late March, Fox Sports' Joel Klatt reported the Cardinals "absolutely love" Allen. Then, less than a week before the draft, Mike Klis at 9News in Denver reported the Cardinals were one of three teams that had been in touch with the Broncos about making a trade with to Denver in exchange for the No. 5 pick.

 

Adam Shefter on Twitter:

Cardinals wanted QB Patrick Mahomes last year. Wanted QB Kirk Cousins and QB Josh Allen this year. Got QB Josh Rosen, who many consider best thrower in this year’s draft.

6:13 PM - 26 Apr 2018

[BillsFan17]

7 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

The senior bowl is the NCAA Pro Bowl. If that's where you're making your case about a player you're doing it wrong.

Yet the two DBs Buffalo selected had very good senior bowl weeks respectively. Teams do put emphasis on the Senior Bowl.

 

https://twitter.com/ChrisTrapasso/status/991285538236915712?s=20

Edited May 2, 2018 by BillsFan17

[JerseyBills]

10 hours ago, Rock'em Sock'em said:

The more game videos I watch, the more I believe Allen will be good sooner rather than later.

 

Senior Bowl Stats (North)

 

Passing

	C/ATT	YDS	AVG	TD	INT
Josh Allen	9/13	158	12.2	2	0
Tanner Lee	8/19	86	4.5	0	1
Baker Mayfield	3/7	9	1.3	0	0
TEAM	20/39	253	6.5	2	1

 

Rushing

	CAR	YDS	AVG	TD	LONG
Kalen Ballage	10	57	5.7	0	16
Akrum Wadley	8	38	4.8	0	15
Jaylen Samuels	10	37	3.7	0	8
Josh Allen	5	19	3.8	0	12
Dimitri Flowers	1	6	6.0	0	6
Baker Mayfield	1	-4	-4.0	0	0
Tanner Lee	1	-6	-6.0	0	0
TEAM	36	147	4.1	0	16

That 2nd half of the Senior Bowl was great , after a rough start . The more I watch and listen to guys who've been around the game their whole lives described him as unbelievable, special,etc . It really gets me thinking we got an absolute steal.

8 minutes ago, racketmaster said:

Reports conflict with this opinion:

 

Chris Simms, a former NFL quarterback and co-host of the Simms & Lefkoe podcast on Bleacher Report, reported Tuesday that the Cardinals were "heartbroken" they didn't land Wyoming QB Josh Allen -- and in fact, the Cardinals and Denver Broncos were prepared to make a trade that would allow that to happen.

But the selection made by the Cleveland Browns with the No. 4 overall pick -- one spot ahead of the Broncos at No. 5 -- threw a wrench into those plans.

"Everything I know is that the No. 5 pick with the Broncos, the trade was in place, and it was with Arizona. And then (defensive end Bradley) Chubb was on the board," Simms said. "The Arizona Cardinals were heartbroken they did not get Josh Allen."

Simms' assertion matches up with a pair of reports from before the draft. In late March, Fox Sports' Joel Klatt reported the Cardinals "absolutely love" Allen. Then, less than a week before the draft, Mike Klis at 9News in Denver reported the Cardinals were one of three teams that had been in touch with the Broncos about making a trade with to Denver in exchange for the No. 5 pick.

 

Adam Shefter on Twitter:

Cardinals wanted QB Patrick Mahomes last year. Wanted QB Kirk Cousins and QB Josh Allen this year. Got QB Josh Rosen, who many consider best thrower in this year’s draft.

6:13 PM - 26 Apr 2018

Many reports claim Cle was pro Allen on one and it created a little rift with the staff. I think we got a steal when it's all said and done

[billspro]

8 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

The senior bowl is the NCAA Pro Bowl. If that's where you're making your case about a player you're doing it wrong.

 

Mayfield had that issue all season. His average time before throwing was over 3 seconds. He won’t have that type of time in the NFL. If he is going to be successful at the NFL level he needs to make quicker decisions.

1 hour ago, BillsFan17 said:

Yet the two DBs Buffalo selected had very good senior bowl weeks respectively. Teams do put emphasis on the Senior Bowl.

 

https://twitter.com/ChrisTrapasso/status/991285538236915712?s=20

 

The senior bowl is useful. It is really nothing like a pro bowl. Everyone is giving 100% effort since they are applying for NFL jobs. The schemes are basic so there is no hiding flaws. You have to go one on one against someone and beat them.

[BillsFan17]

4 minutes ago, billspro said:

 

Mayfield had that issue all season. His average time before throwing was over 3 seconds. He won’t have that type of time in the NFL. If he is going to be successful at the NFL level he needs to make quicker decisions.

 

The senior bowl is useful. It is really nothing like a pro bowl. Everyone is giving 100% effort since they are applying for NFL jobs. The schemes are basic so there is no hiding flaws. You have to go one on one against someone and beat them.

And that's one of the things I liked about Allen's Senior Bowl, despite the defenses being vanilla, some of the throws were dropped in a bucket.

 

Also, you can hear Mayock saying that balls needed to be caught by the likes of Hamilton for instance. Allen's ball placement was on point, the WRs weren't doing him favors in certain situations.

[billspro]

2 minutes ago, BillsFan17 said:

And that's one of the things I liked about Allen's Senior Bowl, despite the defenses being vanilla, some of the throws were dropped in a bucket.

 

Also, you can hear Mayock saying that balls needed to be caught by the likes of Hamilton for instance. Allen's ball placement was on point, the WRs weren't doing him favors in certain situations.

 

I also think it is important to find WRs with outstanding hands. Allen throws with a lot of velocity. If a WR has drop issues it will happen more often with Allen’s velocity.

[elroy16]

17 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

Until he proves otherwise, he's JaMarcus Russel with atleticism and a nice wonderlic score.

 

 

More importantly than athleticism and a nice wonderlic, by all accounts, Allen has the work ethic and desire required to be a successful QB.

 

Do you guys remember the story about the Raiders staff giving Russel a blank DVD which they said had the game plan for the following Sunday on it, the next day they asked him if he watched it and he said yes. Russel's desire to be a good/great NFL QB just wasn't there.

Edited May 2, 2018 by elroy16

[NickelCity]

5 hours ago, NewDayBills said:

Probably an aspiring QB who wants to emulate the best to ever play the game. I see a lot of Brady in Allen, it's clear he emulates many aspects of Brady's game. 

 

No excuse to buy and take pictures in that jersey when you're from central California. He also retweeted something about how Bills Mafia has nothing on Gronkowski family gatherings or some such pats* oriented joke. It seems that that he is/was somewhat of a pats* fan, and it's gross. Outside of this, he seems like a good kid. 

Edited May 2, 2018 by NickelCity

[Wayne Arnold]

33 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

 

No excuse to buy and take pictures in that jersey when you're from central California. He also retweeted something about how Bills Mafia has nothing on Gronkowski family gatherings or some such pats* oriented joke. It seems that that he is/was somewhat of a pats* fan, and it's gross. Outside of this, he seems like a good kid. 

 

You'd think he'd be a 49ers or Raiders fan growing up. Apparently he's one of those annoying bandwagon types. Oh well. As long as he can read defenses, make fast progressions and put the ball on the money where it needs to be...he could still be wearing Brady jerseys for all I care.

[DrDawkinstein]

Brady is from that area. He's arguably the greatest QB of all time. Of course young kid QBs in CA are going to look up to him. I dont fault him for that.

 

But I'm glad he's moving on.

[BillsFan4]

On 4/30/2018 at 10:56 PM, Sky Diver said:

 

Wrong on Wentz. Wrong on Prescott.

 

https://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2016/qbase-2016

 

It was stuff like this that (supposedly) made the Browns pass on Carson Wentz. 

 

They hired a supposed analytics guru and he and their GM (at the time) Sashi Brown studied analytics, looked at Wentz's somewhat pedestrian stats and how they declined in his draft year, and came to the conclusion that Carson Wentz would never be a top 15-20 starter in the NFL. So they traded the pick to Philly... 

 

http://www.nj.com/eagles/index.ssf/2017/03/eagles_can_thank_browns_and_analytics_for_carson_w.html

 

 

http://www.theherdnow.com/radio/the-browns-missed-on-carson-wentz-because-analytics-cant-measure-franchise-qb-traits/

 

https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/carson-wentz-1.html

[John from Riverside]

10 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:

 

The senior bowl is the NCAA Pro Bowl. If that's where you're making your case about a player you're doing it wrong.

Your outlook on it is wrong

Dig deeper sir

Josh Allen is NOT J. Russel just because they are both physical specimens and cannon arm

 

I live in Raider country.....know all about the bust.  The guy had NO WORK ETHIC.....was extremely entitled coming out of college....and it got worse when he got to the Raiders.....no diet having, too much partying, no work ethic to continue to try to improve

 

Josh Allen has had doors shut in his face all the way to being drafted by the Bills.....he knows what work ethic is....for christ sake the kid is a FARM BOY.....have you ever moved pipe on a farm?   I have.......Josh knows what it means to work for a living.

 

Two totally different charactors