Roundybout Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 I can safely say that Allen will be better than Rudolph. I am disappointed now, but if we took Rudolph I would have been furious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Just now, baskin said: Fire the guys who got the team in the playoffs with a bunch of no names! FFS I'm beginning to wish that Dalton hadn't thrown that fluke touchdown. "But they got us to the playoffs!" will forever be the mantra of those Bills fans with their heads buried deep in the sand as these men make one incompetent decision after another. smdh 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kingston Bills Fan Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Our O-line is in shambles and we gave up two 2nds to move up 5 spots for Allen and the Cards only gave up a 3rd and 5th to move up 5 spots for Rosen I say Cards got a way better deal! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 12 minutes ago, Southern Bills Fan said: Sounds like you should go root for Arizona, KC, Houston or Baltimore then. Can you stop posting this nonsense in various threads ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRH Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 3 hours ago, Gordio said: One would think so. Total amateur hour in the Bills draft room. They panicked & I am not sure why. The board couldn't of broken any better. They should of sat tight at 12, Allen would of been there. Then trade up for Edmunds. I like the pick but him or the LB from Bama would of been there at 22. So basically they blew 2 2nd round picks & 3rd round pick. Great job. Beane & Mcdipsh&t are not smart enough to know what they don't know. Allen has got the most upside of the top 4 QBs. He has also got the most bust potential. Hey no one ever said the Jets were a smart organization either. All the information out there suggests that Arizona was trying to trade up to either 7 or 10 to get him, and if they did that and we stayed put, odds are good Miami (which didn't have the draft capital to move up) would have taken Rosen after he fell into their laps, and then all the work we did to get a quarterback would have gone down the drain. Or maybe another team (New England, perhaps?) would have pounced on our inactivity and traded up to 10 after Arizona took their guy at 7. At 12 we were not getting any of the top four QBs. The way I look at it, we traded up to get our quarterback without giving up our other first-rounder (which we probably couldn't have done if we traded any higher), which allowed us to use that first-rounder and other assets to move up again and take Edmunds. Had the board broken differently with quarterbacks going in the first three picks, we probably would have had to give up both first-rounders to get the fourth guy before the Denver-Miami run started. In that sense Edmunds was almost a free pick. I don't understand the hate except that people didn't get "their" guy, whether it was Darnold, Rosen or Mayfield. I bet we're having this same discussion this morning no matter who the Bills took. Maybe we can let the professionals who put this whole plan together over the past year and still managed to get us into the playoffs, you know, do their jobs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 18 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Otherwise, the pick is a failure and Beane and McDermott are dead men walking and unlikely to last more than three more years here. McDermott passed on Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson last season in order to add ammo to the 2018 Draft and get "their guy". Watson is a star in the making and the Chiefs (a well-run organization) allowed a very good veteran QB coming off a career year to go in order to hand the keys to their franchise to Mahomes. Last night, McDermott and Beane passed on Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson and the rest of the 2018 QB draft class in order to acquire a quarterback that finished 82nd in college football in passer rating playing in the Mountain West conference. Not to mention giving up picks 53 and 56 for his services. "Offensive coordinator Brian Daboll is supposedly running an Erhardt-Perkins system that typically asks a quarterback to win with mental processing, decision-making and ball placement from the pocket. None of those things are Allen's strengths, at all. Daboll will likely dumb things down some, but what I expect from the system isn't a great fit for Allen." My thoughts on how Beane is doing in a nutshell (from Jon Ledyard)... Mahomes has played one game. Count them. One game. But you somehow know he'll be good? Rosen, Jackson and Rudolph have played zero games. But somehow the assumption is they'll be better? Watson? I wish they had talkken and said so at the time. How about you actually let some guys play football before spouting off about how good or bad they'll be? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosen-not-Chosen Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Wayne Arnold said: I'm beginning to wish that Dalton hadn't thrown that fluke touchdown. "But they got us to the playoffs!" will forever be the mantra of those Bills fans with their heads buried deep in the sand as these men make one incompetent decision after another. smdh I can't stand the "they got us to the playoff's" No! Dalton got the Bills to the playoff's... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 22 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: Otherwise, the pick is a failure and Beane and McDermott are dead men walking and unlikely to last more than three more years here. McDermott passed on Patrick Mahomes and Deshaun Watson last season in order to add ammo to the 2018 Draft and get "their guy". Watson is a star in the making and the Chiefs (a well-run organization) allowed a very good veteran QB coming off a career year to go in order to hand the keys to their franchise to Mahomes. Last night, McDermott and Beane passed on Josh Rosen, Lamar Jackson and the rest of the 2018 QB draft class in order to acquire a quarterback that finished 82nd in college football in passer rating playing in the Mountain West conference. Not to mention giving up picks 53 and 56 for his services. "Offensive coordinator Brian Daboll is supposedly running an Erhardt-Perkins system that typically asks a quarterback to win with mental processing, decision-making and ball placement from the pocket. None of those things are Allen's strengths, at all. Daboll will likely dumb things down some, but what I expect from the system isn't a great fit for Allen." My thoughts on how Beane is doing in a nutshell (from Jon Ledyard)... Shouldn't you add Tyrod to this list? Seriously. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 9 minutes ago, davspo said: Ok, I have had a chance to calm down. Admittedly, I did not study Allen much. I didn't see him as a potential Bills pick. I thought that Rosen was their guy from day one. I have watch some video and read a bit more about him and a few things stick out: 1. He is surprisingly mobile 2. He has been running for his life for the last 2 years behind the Wyoming O line, so that should serve him well with the current state of the Bills O line. 3. He is huge 4. He is creative, when the play breaks down, and most of them do, he guides traffic 5. We will no longer see an 8 yard pass on 3rd and 10. This guy never saw a downfield pass he didn't like. 6. He does remind me of Big Ben in his ability to keep plays alive. 7. He couldn't be more opposite than Tyrod Taylor At this point, I will give Beane the benefit of the doubt. The downfield pass falsehood. He threw a TON behind the LOS Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jjmac Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 We made the playoffs with Tyrod Taylor last year. Now we have better throwers in the QB room, and people are complaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 Mason Rudolph lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 So if Rosen or Mahomes goes on to win 4 Super Bowls, Allen goes on to win 2 in a clear Hall of Fame career. They face each other a few times in the playoffs, Allen wins a few but Rosen or Mahomes win a few more. Is it the disaster you claim? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldmanfan Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 1 minute ago, Rosen-not-Chosen said: I can't stand the "they got us to the playoff's" No! Dalton got the Bills to the playoff's... And the Bills got themselves into position to take advantage of the Cinci win. Did they not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweats Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 7 minutes ago, NewEraBills said: To be fair to McD, Watson and Mahomes will need to be consistent on the little success they had last season too. Um yeah.........no. Watson has proven himself as a star in this league, after only one season mind you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rosen-not-Chosen Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 2 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: And the Bills got themselves into position to take advantage of the Cinci win. Did they not? They were a better team the two previous seasons, the rest of the AFC took a slide. They backed into the playoff's at best... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thenorthremembers Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 A). McDermott and the roster of the 2017 Buffalo Bills made the playoffs. There were 15 other games before New Years Eve and to say it was one pass by Andy Dalton is wrong. If they were 5 and 10 going into New Years they wouldn't have made it. B). Can we please stop with the Lamar Jackson garbage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bing Bong Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 35 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Love Eric Wood. I wonder if he has the smarts to come back as a position coach. Eric Wood is obviously going to wax poetic on a big bills draft pick. He would had said the exact same thing if we traded up Joe nobody. Love wood too I'm basically saying he's a super nice guy so I can't really put any stock in his take. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 4 minutes ago, oldmanfan said: Mahomes has played one game. Count them. One game. But you somehow know he'll be good? Rosen, Jackson and Rudolph have played zero games. But somehow the assumption is they'll be better? Watson? I wish they had talkken and said so at the time. How about you actually let some guys play football before spouting off about how good or bad they'll be? Where did I say I know Mahomes will be good? I'm assuming that Rosen, Jackson and Rudolph will be better because they are superior quarterbacks. But you never know. Hence the thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 (edited) https://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/leaders/pass-rating-player-season.html QB rating is meaningless. Lets just build around Taylor because his top 10 QB rating. Edited April 27, 2018 by Mat68 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted April 27, 2018 Share Posted April 27, 2018 This is a good interview. He is very emotional about the offensive tweets but it seems like he is remorseful and eager to prove that’s not him. He has a lot to prove. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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