H2o Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, Best Player Available said: Maybe Ducasse will retire in sympathy for cogs. One can hope.. Take Mills with him Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Tyrod's friend said: How many teams plan for the heart of their interior line to simply walk away from the game, one of them less than 20 days before the draft? Depth charts only go so far, Wayne.When the facts change, I change my mind. What do you do, sir? ~ John Maynard Keynes (attributed) What aren't you getting? The Bills asked Richie to take a pay cut, they were ready to move on from him. Because guess what? If Richie says no, you can certainly bet they would have cut him. Whether Richie was playing or not was not critical to their early draft plans. You're quote has no bearing here, cute though. You choose to ignore the facts of how the Bills have handled RIchie's situation. They were ready to move on from him. 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: I believe it’s the opposite. I think the Bills did plan on moving on without him. I think they were going to cut him and he agreed to a pay cut. I think they planned on playing Bodine at C, Groy at LG, Miller or Ducasse at RG. And drafting a guy who can play G or C as well, regardless of whether he played 1 more year. Groy btw is listed as a G on the team website. Exactly. They had to know he could say no to a pay cut. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Jesus, how snakebit is our O-line? At this point, I want McCarron out there because our rookie is going to get murdered 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 8 minutes ago, TheFunPolice said: I hope he is okay... I've heard him on John Murphy's show and he seems like a pretty smart guy who wouldn't just go off the handle and walk away from football like this, especially given how thankful he was to be back in the game. It just doesn't make sense at all. RI doesn’t seem like the time of guy that would go off the handle??? His whole life has been going off the handle. That said, he was a good soldier here but let’s not pretend like the guy was some stand up guy. I wish him well and I am happy to admit I was wrong about him when we signed him. He seems to have finally grown up. But this guy hasn’t been exactly stable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 6 minutes ago, 4thandGoal said: well then why did Ritchie agree to new contract-- Probably listened to his agent in saying - you aren't going to make more than this on the open market, because of who you are. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, 4thandGoal said: oh yes it does-- We will still get a QB but we are not moving up. No experience on that O line will get someone we mortgage our future on killed,. I should have rephrased that. It doesn't change our plans to get a QB. We might now look at Guard in the middle rounds as opposed to a depth defensive backs. I think the Bills FO was okay with losing Richie before the the paycut. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Your brain broke Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Yikes, line is looking rough right about now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 51 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: He posted (apparently) his cell phone number on his Twitter two days ago! Something strange going on with him, Zay Jones just seen leaving his place that wasnt his # its the # from a Mike Jones song Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CajunBillsBacker Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 This opens another hole but it isn’t that bad. Would be different if he were 25 and retiring. He’s already at the bottom of his career. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 14 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Typically, if he says no to a pay cut then he’s released and free to sign anywhere for what he believes is fair. He chose to stay... so it wasn’t choosing nothing over “something” unless he doesn’t think he will be signed anywhere else. I don’t disagree but there are a lot of other factors. He’s in his mid-30’s and maybe isn’t ready to start over? It was worth grinding it out at $7M but not $4M? That’s perfectly reasonable (and the likely scenario seeing as he fired his agent). It sounds like he reluctantly agreed and after further consideration it wasn’t worth it. 21 minutes ago, Will-GM-for-food said: It's all relative Certainly, but I don’t know a person that is okay with that. Generally people want, and expect, to be paid market value. He is not currently getting market value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 And here comes the 'Don't Trade Up!' crowd, right on cue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Just now, Kirby Jackson said: I don’t disagree but there are a lot of other factors. He’s in his mid-30’s and maybe isn’t ready to start over? It was worth grinding it out at $7M but not $4M? That’s perfectly reasonable (and the likely scenario seeing as he fired his agent). It sounds like he reluctantly agreed and after further consideration it wasn’t worth it. This does make sense. What also makes sense is the Bills were prepared for Incognito to reject the take it or leave it offer, so I don't think they are suddenly thrown for a loop and radically changing their plans. No doubt they already had contingency plans if a mid-thirties guard decided enough already. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, Over 29 years of fanhood said: In this example is it the kind of job where it’s based on physical performance and where decline is standard as is compensation reduction with said decline and way disproportionate to virtually ever other line of work on the planet? There certainly is a sliding scale. At the same time look at the contracts of the Pro Bowl guards (he’s been to like 3 in a row) and see how many of them are in line with his (especially true after Martin signs his massive extension). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tyrod's friend Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 11 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: I believe it’s the opposite. I think the Bills did plan on moving on without him. I think they were going to cut him and he agreed to a pay cut. I think they planned on playing Bodine at C, Groy at LG, Miller or Ducasse at RG. And drafting a guy who can play G or C as well, regardless of whether he played 1 more year. Groy btw is listed as a G on the team website. Really? No snark here, but ... They benched John Miller last year. Not some other organization, this one. You think they were essentially planning to take a guy that they benched and use him to replace a Pro Bowl guard (let's leave aside the potential disaster at center)? There is no part of me that believes an organization would have that in their plans. You seem like a pretty sane poster and if you think for a minute, I believe you'd see this isn't possible. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsMafia13 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 10 minutes ago, TheElectricCompany said: Nah, sophistication is a bit much, as is a scholar. His history is well known, I'll leave it at that. Good, I dont think you have much else. Ill take a great teammate and talent for some bonkers tweets and vulgar trash talking, guys are beating their girlfriends and taking crazy drugs but you hate a player because he is too much of a jock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SlimShady'sSpaceForce Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 He retired .... ergo the Bills own his rights - there isn't much bargaining power to be had Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CommonCents Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, Dr. Who said: This does make sense. What also makes sense is the Bills were prepared for Incognito to reject the take it or leave it offer, so I don't think they are suddenly thrown for a loop and radically changing their plans. No doubt they already had contingency plans if a mid-thirties guard decided enough already. The only worry is that his delay in retiring foiled their replacement plans. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bleeding Bills Blue Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 41 minutes ago, Like A Mofo said: True and lets remember a good QB can also make a OL better as well. No need to panic here. Bills will be just fine without Richie. We're missing our entire left side of the line... and the right side was really bad. Dawkins looked pretty good a year ago - but we only had 1 good guard and now he's gone. Going to be rough unless they hit on some picks. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 20 minutes ago, SteveFreeman22 said: not half, about a quarter, AND IT'S STILL NORTH OF $4 MILLION. Compared to $0 if he retires. If it's health reason, I get it, but if it's because he feels slighted, then I have no sympathy for him. Again, the problem is that on the outside we decide what is enough. In your opinion he should be happy with $4M. That isn’t what Pro Bow guards get paid. The market is all that matters. He feels slighted (and should). At the same time the Bills did what they thought was best for them. They played Russian Roulette though and lost. Their Pro Bowl OG retired 2 weeks before the draft. They missed a chance to address it in FA. I’d bet in hindsight they wouldn’t have gone with the pay cut. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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