YoloinOhio Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Compared to some other big boards, He’s high on Rosen and Mayfield, low on Darnold and Allen. Also high on Hurst and Sony Michel and low on Vita Vea and Tremaine Edmonds. Four RBs with 1st rd grades, plus he said nick Chubb wasn’t far off ... makes the Browns it Giants giving up a haul of high picks from the Bills vs drafting Barkley at 2 or 4 a joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I like the list. If we are just talking about 1st round prospects based on athleticism, tape, and playmaking ability I like the list. QB is the only position where I'd weigh positional value Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 5, 2018 Author Share Posted April 5, 2018 Ledyard said he would take Darnold in the 1st due to positional value but gave him a day 2 grade. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 If he agrees with me on QB's then he must know what he's talking about. Glad to see other people aren't completely blind. Just watch the tape 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemma Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I'm not surprised about Vea not showing up on his list. Looked a little sluggish and won't be able to overpower as easily in the pros. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 He has the same number as me but about 6 different players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I’ve been thinking that the Allen buzz is largely being created by his agent to try to boost his stock. This lends credence to that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I agree with many of these. I think Barkley will end up being a bust (his ceiling is Reggie Bush's career, to me). Mayfield and Rosen (in that order) are the only two QBs I like. I love Guice and Michel. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 19 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: He has the same number as me but about 6 different players. I have 23 right now 13 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: I’ve been thinking that the Allen buzz is largely being created by his agent to try to boost his stock. This lends credence to that. I hear differently, but I guess we'll see in 3 weeks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magox Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I would be surprised if Allen falls outside of the top 5 and shocked outside of the top 10. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ALF Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Looks like a strong draft for RBs but not WRs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 42 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: Ledyard said he would take Darnold in the 1st due to positional value but gave him a day 2 grade. This seems so weird to me. What’s the point in grading draft picks without positional value? Seems like a totally academic exercise. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: This seems so weird to me. What’s the point in grading draft picks without positional value? Seems like a totally academic exercise. yeah the math don't add up if he rates Rosen and Mayfield higher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Virgil Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: This seems so weird to me. What’s the point in grading draft picks without positional value? Seems like a totally academic exercise. I actually kind of prefer it. This way, it’s more a projection of long term value and calls out when someone is a reach. Like when EJ was drafted.... The point isn’t to predict when players will be drafted for these scenarios and shouldn’t be compared to a mock at all 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFFacet Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Compared to some other big boards, He’s high on Rosen and Mayfield, low on Darnold and Allen. Also high on Hurst and Sony Michel and low on Vita Vea and Tremaine Edmonds. Four RBs with 1st rd grades, plus he said nick Chubb wasn’t far off ... makes the Browns it Giants giving up a haul of high picks from the Bills vs drafting Barkley at 2 or 4 a joke. 13th is pretty low for Mayfield. And he's only low on Allen compared to moron pundits like Kiper. Most people think Allen sucks. Guice over Barkley is pretty bold. Jones in the 1st round is just unconscionable, though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starrymessenger Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 49 minutes ago, hemma said: I'm not surprised about Vea not showing up on his list. Looked a little sluggish and won't be able to overpower as easily in the pros. Yeah, its not like I've seen him a lot but given the hype I was a little disappointed with his bowl game. Reports are that the Penn State O-line had its best game all year, but they were hardly an elite unit and they seemed to me to pretty much neutralize him. On a couple of crucial third down conversion attempts they ran right at him and backed him up. For a guy his size seeing him on special teams covering punts was pretty impressive though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, SoFFacet said: 13th is pretty low for Mayfield. And he's only low on Allen compared to moron pundits like Kiper. Most people think Allen sucks. Guice over Barkley is pretty bold. Jones in the 1st round is just unconscionable, though. Very, very few people think Allen sucks. There is a faction of folks that don't think he's got the skill set to be an NFL QB. Most folks see the raw ability, but vary in opinion regarding how much honing of his skill set it'll take to make him successful, and what type of offense he can operate efficiently. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Forward Progress Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 I will boldly predict that 32 players will be selected in the first round. Go on with your day. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 5, 2018 Author Share Posted April 5, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, SoFFacet said: 13th is pretty low for And he's only low on Allen compared to moron pundits like Kiper. Most people think Allen sucks. Guice over Barkley is pretty bold. Jones in the 1st round is just unconscionable, though. 13 isn’t low for Mayfield, that’s pretty high. This isn’t a mock draft. Edited April 5, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Funny that the #1 player is an OG. Buddy Nix is somewhere cursing that any big body can play OG. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFFacet Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: Very, very few people think Allen sucks. There is a faction of folks that don't think he's got the skill set to be an NFL QB. Most folks see the raw ability, but vary in opinion regarding how much honing of his skill set it'll take to make him successful, and what type of offense he can operate efficiently. Very few people think he'll be any good. He's inaccurate and slow. Almost nobody with his stats & pedigree has ever been successful in the NFL. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 5, 2018 Author Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, SoFFacet said: Very few people think he'll be any good. He's inaccurate and slow. Almost nobody with his stats & pedigree has ever been successful in the NFL. Really? I’ve seen the exact opposite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFFacet Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said: 13 isn’t low for Mayfield, that’s pretty high. This isn’t a mock draft. 13 is low for QB1. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Compared to some other big boards, He’s high on Rosen and Mayfield, low on Darnold and Allen. Also high on Hurst and Sony Michel and low on Vita Vea and Tremaine Edmonds. Four RBs with 1st rd grades, plus he said nick Chubb wasn’t far off ... makes the Browns it Giants giving up a haul of high picks from the Bills vs drafting Barkley at 2 or 4 a joke. Any idea what happened to Barkley in his draft? He’s def. not herd-mind influenced. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 This is such a fascinating QB class. So many different opinions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEraBills Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 13 minutes ago, JR in Pittsburgh said: This seems so weird to me. What’s the point in grading draft picks without positional value? Seems like a totally academic exercise. Because QB is really the only position where it matters for some people and that's primarily due to the inflation of the position. So when it comes to QBs they look at positional value. I tend to agree with that approach. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, SoFFacet said: 13 is low for QB1. ? QB#1 in Ledyard’s Board is Rosen at #4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFFacet Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, YoloinOhio said: Really? I’ve seen the exact opposite. Allen is the laughingstock of the Draft Analyst community. Sorry if that hasn't permeated this forum as much as the know-nothing ESPN pundits etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, SoFFacet said: Very few people think he'll be any good. He's inaccurate and slow. Almost nobody with his stats & pedigree has ever been successful in the NFL. No offense, but everything you've said here is flat-out incorrect. He's extremely likely to be a top-10 pick. He's at or near the top of most analysts' draft boards, and that includes guys that have actually worked in NFL front offices (and been offered GM jobs) like Daniel Jeremiah. He's not slow in any respect whatsoever. He makes better tight-window throws than anyone else in the class; "inaccurate" has always been a mischaracterization. He needs to learn to adjust is touch on short boundary throws and to further refine his footwork. As for the "nobody with his stats" stuff, that's been debunked on this board many, many times. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFFacet Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: ? QB#1 in Ledyard’s Board is Rosen at #4 As I said, Ledyard is low on Mayfield, who is the QB1 according to most informed analysts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 2 minutes ago, SoFFacet said: Allen is the laughingstock of the Draft Analyst community. Sorry if that hasn't permeated this forum as much as the know-nothing ESPN pundits etc. Again, you're wrong. Just now, SoFFacet said: As I said, Ledyard is low on Mayfield, who is the QB1 according to most informed analysts. This is also wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 5, 2018 Author Share Posted April 5, 2018 3 minutes ago, SoFFacet said: Allen is the laughingstock of the Draft Analyst community. Sorry if that hasn't permeated this forum as much as the know-nothing ESPN pundits etc. Link? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoFFacet Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, thebandit27 said: No offense, but everything you've said here is flat-out incorrect. He's extremely likely to be a top-10 pick. He's at or near the top of most analysts' draft boards, and that includes guys that have actually worked in NFL front offices (and been offered GM jobs) like Daniel Jeremiah. He's not slow in any respect whatsoever. He makes better tight-window throws than anyone else in the class; "inaccurate" has always been a mischaracterization. He needs to learn to adjust is touch on short boundary throws and to further refine his footwork. As for the "nobody with his stats" stuff, that's been debunked on this board many, many times. Of course he will probably be a top-10 pick. He doesn't deserve that but some idiot team will pick him there. Inaccurate is not a mischaracterization at all. He is inaccurate, period. He is also mentally slow. This is a documented fact. I seriously doubt that anyone on this board could debunk anything. Everything you've said is laughably wrong. 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Again, you're wrong. This is also wrong. Dunning Kruger. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 4 minutes ago, thebandit27 said: No offense, but everything you've said here is flat-out incorrect. He's extremely likely to be a top-10 pick. He's at or near the top of most analysts' draft boards, and that includes guys that have actually worked in NFL front offices (and been offered GM jobs) like Daniel Jeremiah. He's not slow in any respect whatsoever. He makes better tight-window throws than anyone else in the class; "inaccurate" has always been a mischaracterization. He needs to learn to adjust is touch on short boundary throws and to further refine his footwork. As for the "nobody with his stats" stuff, that's been debunked on this board many, many times. I highly doubt he lasts beyond pick #3. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, SoFFacet said: Of course he will probably be a top-10 pick. He doesn't deserve that but some idiot team will pick him there. Inaccurate is not a mischaracterization at all. He is inaccurate, period. He is also mentally slow. This is a documented fact. I seriously doubt that anyone on this board could debunk anything. Everything you've said is laughably wrong. Dunning Kruger. First, you need to look at the difference between opinion and fact. Allen, as I said, made more tight-window throws than any other QB in the class. He cannot do that if he's inaccurate. What you're talking about is completion percentage, which is affected by far more than accuracy (but that's a whole different discussion that's probably too nuanced for someone that won't decipher opinion from fact). As for mentally slow, well, he did outscore the QB field in the Wonderlic test, so that must make Mayfield and Rosen mental midgets, right? Or are you referring to on-field processing speed? That's got far more to do with experience in a system and comfort level with the people around him, but again, we're getting way too far into subject for what you're ready to discuss. Do yourself a favor and stop now. You've said some really silly things (he's a laughingstock among the analyst community, Mayfield is everyone's QB1) that can easily be disproved with a link or two (that I'm happy to provide if you want to continue), and the further we go down this rabbit hole, the worse this has the potential to get. 4 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said: I highly doubt he lasts beyond pick #3. Barring a trade, he and Darnold will be the first 2 QBs off the board IMO. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 7 minutes ago, SoFFacet said: Inaccurate is not a mischaracterization at all. He is inaccurate, period. He is also mentally slow. This is a documented fact. How is him being slow a documented fact? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: How is him being slow a documented fact? Run while you still can... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: Ledyard said he would take Darnold in the 1st due to positional value but gave him a day 2 grade. Happens all the time now. Teams want the 5yr option for QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 1 minute ago, thebandit27 said: Barring a trade, he and Darnold will be the first 2 QBs off the board IMO. I agree. Darnold to Browns and Allen to Jets. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
4merper4mer Posted April 5, 2018 Share Posted April 5, 2018 20 minutes ago, Forward Progress said: I will boldly predict that 32 players will be selected in the first round. Go on with your day. I've noticed this happening in the off years when New England hasn't been caught cheating. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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