Mara- Jets didn't call to go to #2 Also Jets owner talked to the GM & offer to Suh was pulled

[Reed83HOF]

[26CornerBlitz]

56 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

 

[Reed83HOF]

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/jets/jets-rescind-offer-all-pro-dt-ndamukong-suh-article-1.3895372?utm_content=buffer0d77c&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=mmehta+twitter

 

“I had a lot of discussion with Mike about this and I think that our thinking just changed a bit,” Johnson said. “That’s where I have to leave it.” 

 

“Saying I stepped in is somewhat overstating the case,” Johnson said. “But in discussion with Mike, looking into what our plan is, it became apparent to the two of us that this just didn’t work.” 

[MrEpsYtown]

So the meddling Jets owners are just going to go ahead and let their people draft the guy who wore the "F Trump" hat? Seems unlikely. I hope we get a shot at Rosen. 

[Patriot Killa]

1 minute ago, MrEpsYtown said:

So the meddling Jets owners are just going to go ahead and let their people draft the guy who wore the "F Trump" hat? Seems unlikely. I hope we get a shot at Rosen. 

I really don’t think the Rosen incident is much of a big deal to the Johnsons tbh..it was a 20 year old kid flaunting his opinion around. I’m sure they spoke to him in depth about it.

[Seanbillsfan2206]

1 minute ago, Patriot Killa said:

I really don’t think the Rosen incident is much of a big deal to the Johnsons tbh..it was a 20 year old kid flaunting his opinion around. I’m sure they spoke to him in depth about it.

I didn’t hear about this. I think Rosen just moved up to number 2 on my QB wish list

[MrEpsYtown]

Just now, Patriot Killa said:

I really don’t think the Rosen incident is much of a big deal to the Johnsons tbh..it was a 20 year old kid flaunting his opinion around. I’m sure they spoke to him in depth about it.

 

I'm just sayin. Woody Johnson is on his staff. They are neighbors in a rich little private community in Jersey. The Johnsons seem to meddle way too much and our President sometimes makes a big deal out of things that aren't a big deal. Seems like it won't work, but that's just me. 

[YoloinOhio]

I was almost positive they never called the Giants. They’ve never done a trade between those two organizations in their history. 

[MrEpsYtown]

4 hours ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said:

I didn’t hear about this. I think Rosen just moved up to number 2 on my QB wish list

 

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/04/11/uclas-josh-rosen-wears-hat-special-message-donald-trump

 

I know people don't want to talk politics, and I know it's long, but this is what Rosen said in an interview: 

 

"Well, I think it’s no secret that I’m not a large fan of Donald Trump — from a policy standpoint and from a human-being standpoint. I think it’s cowardly to run a campaign based on demagoguery and bigotry, and to incite fear so you can rally support for personal gain. He’s feeding off of racial tension and a lack of religious understanding, and a lack of sympathy and empathy for people who are different from him.

 

I think it’s sad that he’s not even trying to understand important issues and propose legitimate policies to make the country a better place. It seems like he just wants to be president … so he can be president. There’s so much I don’t like. I don’t like his policy positions, and I really don’t like him making racially charged statements to people who don’t know better or understand what it’s like to come from poverty or different backgrounds.

 

One of the reasons why I love the sport of football so much is because it’s exposed me to so many varying circumstances and all different types of people. And the same goes for college. That’s part of why after getting to college I’ve formed such strong political stances, and it’s cool going to a school like UCLA where we’re encouraged to dig into important issues and freely speak our minds. I mean, we both come from money. We’re both well-educated people — or are becoming well-educated — our parents are educated, and we are privileged. We can come to college and not really have to worry about finances. We can focus on school and football. Meanwhile, we have guys on the team who are sending every dime of money they have home to their families. College has really opened my eyes to those disparities. I just feel really strongly about this topic, because I believe there’s a level of ignorance in this country when it comes to empathizing with others, and that needs to change. And I’m literally willing to sit down and debate anyone in the country — anyone! — about Trump and the current state of our society. I welcome the opportunity to discuss this stuff further. I care about it.

 

You probably shouldn’t have gotten me started, man. But, yeah, I think it’s safe to say that me and Donald Trump will not be getting matching Thunder Buddies T-shirts anytime soon."

 

 

Edited March 26, 2018 by MrEpsYtown
BTW when he says we both come from money he is referring to Conor McDermott who is on our team and was present for the interview

[Patriot Killa]

4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I'm just sayin. Woody Johnson is on his staff. They are neighbors in a rich little private community in Jersey. The Johnsons seem to meddle way too much and our President sometimes makes a big deal out of things that aren't a big deal. Seems like it won't work, but that's just me. 

Oh I totally understand where you are coming from. Even Jet fans on the forum have brought it up, it just seems like something that probably won’t be an issue going forward if he can be mature about things and learn to be a Pro QB. That’s what Mora his former coach was saying the other day..kid will have to learn how to be an actual pro and how his actions and words hold a lot more weight than he was previously aware of. 

 

But you definitely make a point.

Edited March 25, 2018 by Patriot Killa

[Coach Tuesday]

3 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/04/11/uclas-josh-rosen-wears-hat-special-message-donald-trump

 

I know people don't want to talk politics, and I know it's long, but this is what Rosen said in an interview: 

 

"Well, I think it’s no secret that I’m not a large fan of Donald Trump — from a policy standpoint and from a human-being standpoint. I think it’s cowardly to run a campaign based on demagoguery and bigotry, and to incite fear so you can rally support for personal gain. He’s feeding off of racial tension and a lack of religious understanding, and a lack of sympathy and empathy for people who are different from him.

 

I think it’s sad that he’s not even trying to understand important issues and propose legitimate policies to make the country a better place. It seems like he just wants to be president … so he can be president. There’s so much I don’t like. I don’t like his policy positions, and I really don’t like him making racially charged statements to people who don’t know better or understand what it’s like to come from poverty or different backgrounds.

 

One of the reasons why I love the sport of football so much is because it’s exposed me to so many varying circumstances and all different types of people. And the same goes for college. That’s part of why after getting to college I’ve formed such strong political stances, and it’s cool going to a school like UCLA where we’re encouraged to dig into important issues and freely speak our minds. I mean, we both come from money. We’re both well-educated people — or are becoming well-educated — our parents are educated, and we are privileged. We can come to college and not really have to worry about finances. We can focus on school and football. Meanwhile, we have guys on the team who are sending every dime of money they have home to their families. College has really opened my eyes to those disparities. I just feel really strongly about this topic, because I believe there’s a level of ignorance in this country when it comes to empathizing with others, and that needs to change. And I’m literally willing to sit down and debate anyone in the country — anyone! — about Trump and the current state of our society. I welcome the opportunity to discuss this stuff further. I care about it.

 

You probably shouldn’t have gotten me started, man. But, yeah, I think it’s safe to say that me and Donald Trump will not be getting matching Thunder Buddies T-shirts anytime soon."

 

 

 

Good for him.

[Alphadawg7]

2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/04/11/uclas-josh-rosen-wears-hat-special-message-donald-trump

 

I know people don't want to talk politics, and I know it's long, but this is what Rosen said in an interview: 

 

"Well, I think it’s no secret that I’m not a large fan of Donald Trump — from a policy standpoint and from a human-being standpoint. I think it’s cowardly to run a campaign based on demagoguery and bigotry, and to incite fear so you can rally support for personal gain. He’s feeding off of racial tension and a lack of religious understanding, and a lack of sympathy and empathy for people who are different from him.

 

I think it’s sad that he’s not even trying to understand important issues and propose legitimate policies to make the country a better place. It seems like he just wants to be president … so he can be president. There’s so much I don’t like. I don’t like his policy positions, and I really don’t like him making racially charged statements to people who don’t know better or understand what it’s like to come from poverty or different backgrounds.

 

One of the reasons why I love the sport of football so much is because it’s exposed me to so many varying circumstances and all different types of people. And the same goes for college. That’s part of why after getting to college I’ve formed such strong political stances, and it’s cool going to a school like UCLA where we’re encouraged to dig into important issues and freely speak our minds. I mean, we both come from money. We’re both well-educated people — or are becoming well-educated — our parents are educated, and we are privileged. We can come to college and not really have to worry about finances. We can focus on school and football. Meanwhile, we have guys on the team who are sending every dime of money they have home to their families. College has really opened my eyes to those disparities. I just feel really strongly about this topic, because I believe there’s a level of ignorance in this country when it comes to empathizing with others, and that needs to change. And I’m literally willing to sit down and debate anyone in the country — anyone! — about Trump and the current state of our society. I welcome the opportunity to discuss this stuff further. I care about it.

 

You probably shouldn’t have gotten me started, man. But, yeah, I think it’s safe to say that me and Donald Trump will not be getting matching Thunder Buddies T-shirts anytime soon."

 

 

 

I have no issue with that, and good for him not being afraid to share his opinion.  Well thought out and spot on if you ask me.

 

However, I do have a huge issue with his "Bradford" like durability.  

[Not at the table Karlos]

4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/04/11/uclas-josh-rosen-wears-hat-special-message-donald-trump

 

I know people don't want to talk politics, and I know it's long, but this is what Rosen said in an interview: 

 

"Well, I think it’s no secret that I’m not a large fan of Donald Trump — from a policy standpoint and from a human-being standpoint. I think it’s cowardly to run a campaign based on demagoguery and bigotry, and to incite fear so you can rally support for personal gain. He’s feeding off of racial tension and a lack of religious understanding, and a lack of sympathy and empathy for people who are different from him.

 

I think it’s sad that he’s not even trying to understand important issues and propose legitimate policies to make the country a better place. It seems like he just wants to be president … so he can be president. There’s so much I don’t like. I don’t like his policy positions, and I really don’t like him making racially charged statements to people who don’t know better or understand what it’s like to come from poverty or different backgrounds.

 

One of the reasons why I love the sport of football so much is because it’s exposed me to so many varying circumstances and all different types of people. And the same goes for college. That’s part of why after getting to college I’ve formed such strong political stances, and it’s cool going to a school like UCLA where we’re encouraged to dig into important issues and freely speak our minds. I mean, we both come from money. We’re both well-educated people — or are becoming well-educated — our parents are educated, and we are privileged. We can come to college and not really have to worry about finances. We can focus on school and football. Meanwhile, we have guys on the team who are sending every dime of money they have home to their families. College has really opened my eyes to those disparities. I just feel really strongly about this topic, because I believe there’s a level of ignorance in this country when it comes to empathizing with others, and that needs to change. And I’m literally willing to sit down and debate anyone in the country — anyone! — about Trump and the current state of our society. I welcome the opportunity to discuss this stuff further. I care about it.

 

You probably shouldn’t have gotten me started, man. But, yeah, I think it’s safe to say that me and Donald Trump will not be getting matching Thunder Buddies T-shirts anytime soon."

 

 

He's not wrong

[Reed83HOF]

9 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/04/11/uclas-josh-rosen-wears-hat-special-message-donald-trump

 

I know people don't want to talk politics, and I know it's long, but this is what Rosen said in an interview: 

 

"Well, I think it’s no secret that I’m not a large fan of Donald Trump — from a policy standpoint and from a human-being standpoint. I think it’s cowardly to run a campaign based on demagoguery and bigotry, and to incite fear so you can rally support for personal gain. He’s feeding off of racial tension and a lack of religious understanding, and a lack of sympathy and empathy for people who are different from him.

 

I think it’s sad that he’s not even trying to understand important issues and propose legitimate policies to make the country a better place. It seems like he just wants to be president … so he can be president. There’s so much I don’t like. I don’t like his policy positions, and I really don’t like him making racially charged statements to people who don’t know better or understand what it’s like to come from poverty or different backgrounds.

 

One of the reasons why I love the sport of football so much is because it’s exposed me to so many varying circumstances and all different types of people. And the same goes for college. That’s part of why after getting to college I’ve formed such strong political stances, and it’s cool going to a school like UCLA where we’re encouraged to dig into important issues and freely speak our minds. I mean, we both come from money. We’re both well-educated people — or are becoming well-educated — our parents are educated, and we are privileged. We can come to college and not really have to worry about finances. We can focus on school and football. Meanwhile, we have guys on the team who are sending every dime of money they have home to their families. College has really opened my eyes to those disparities. I just feel really strongly about this topic, because I believe there’s a level of ignorance in this country when it comes to empathizing with others, and that needs to change. And I’m literally willing to sit down and debate anyone in the country — anyone! — about Trump and the current state of our society. I welcome the opportunity to discuss this stuff further. I care about it.

 

You probably shouldn’t have gotten me started, man. But, yeah, I think it’s safe to say that me and Donald Trump will not be getting matching Thunder Buddies T-shirts anytime soon."

 

 

That's my Quarterback

[Reed83HOF]

29 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I was almost positive they never called the Giants. They’ve never done a trade between those two organizations in their history. 

It's like the Yankees & the Mets... Can't give them a leg up

[MC Hamburg]

Definitely do not like bringing politics into football....Is he going to run for office or play Quarterback... I really would like a different QB in this draft anyway....Someone who is hungry to win and make money for his family...not sayin he won't be good but if things don't go his way would he quit?...Or answer the bell when the chips are down?   Thoughts?

[BuffAlone]

Ship's getting weird. I cannot for the life of me figure out wth is going on in some people's minds. If they pass on Darnold or Rosen #1, I will feel so bad for the Dawg Pound, while horse laughing them at the same time.I hate to say it but they deserve a QB as much as we do. I just don't get signing these guys if they're ready to make a move at QB. Seriously, what gives?

[Big Blitz]

Simple criteria for finding an elite QB:

 

Started at least 3 years in college.  

Won in college 

Accuracy 

Conservative world view and most likely votes R (they may vote D, but worldview 100 percent conservative).

 

 

Rosen may just be a Never Trump R.  Or a hardcore Bernie Bro.  I have no idea.  But his red flags continue to grow for me.  I had not read that interview before.  A lot of b.s. virtue signaling....saying a lot while saying absolutely nothing.  

 

Good luck with that Jets.  

[3rdand12]

49 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I'm just sayin. Woody Johnson is on his staff. They are neighbors in a rich little private community in Jersey. The Johnsons seem to meddle way too much and our President sometimes makes a big deal out of things that aren't a big deal. Seems like it won't work, but that's just me. 

woody is no longer on the staff after his new political appt ???
 His Son is now the Guy meddling Lol.

48 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/04/11/uclas-josh-rosen-wears-hat-special-message-donald-trump

 

I know people don't want to talk politics, and I know it's long, but this is what Rosen said in an interview: 

 

"Well, I think it’s no secret that I’m not a large fan of Donald Trump — from a policy standpoint and from a human-being standpoint. I think it’s cowardly to run a campaign based on demagoguery and bigotry, and to incite fear so you can rally support for personal gain. He’s feeding off of racial tension and a lack of religious understanding, and a lack of sympathy and empathy for people who are different from him.

 

I think it’s sad that he’s not even trying to understand important issues and propose legitimate policies to make the country a better place. It seems like he just wants to be president … so he can be president. There’s so much I don’t like. I don’t like his policy positions, and I really don’t like him making racially charged statements to people who don’t know better or understand what it’s like to come from poverty or different backgrounds.

 

One of the reasons why I love the sport of football so much is because it’s exposed me to so many varying circumstances and all different types of people. And the same goes for college. That’s part of why after getting to college I’ve formed such strong political stances, and it’s cool going to a school like UCLA where we’re encouraged to dig into important issues and freely speak our minds. I mean, we both come from money. We’re both well-educated people — or are becoming well-educated — our parents are educated, and we are privileged. We can come to college and not really have to worry about finances. We can focus on school and football. Meanwhile, we have guys on the team who are sending every dime of money they have home to their families. College has really opened my eyes to those disparities. I just feel really strongly about this topic, because I believe there’s a level of ignorance in this country when it comes to empathizing with others, and that needs to change. And I’m literally willing to sit down and debate anyone in the country — anyone! — about Trump and the current state of our society. I welcome the opportunity to discuss this stuff further. I care about it.

 

You probably shouldn’t have gotten me started, man. But, yeah, I think it’s safe to say that me and Donald Trump will not be getting matching Thunder Buddies T-shirts anytime soon."

 

 

I like Rosen just for this perspective. lets see how he fairs after getting bullied

[MC Hamburg]

12 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Simple criteria for finding an elite QB:

 

Started at least 3 years in college.  

Won in college 

Accuracy 

Conservative world view and most likely votes R (they may vote D, but worldview 100 percent conservative).

 

 

Rosen may just be a Never Trump R.  Or a hardcore Bernie Bro.  I have no idea.  But his red flags continue to grow for me.  I had not read that interview before.  A lot of b.s. virtue signaling....saying a lot while saying absolutely nothing.  

 

Good luck with that Jets.  

I agree

[BuffaloRebound]

Still don't understand the Jets giving up the farm 6 weeks before the draft for pick 3.  It's very possible whoever they wanted at 3 would've been available at 6.  Its also very possible they still get jumped by the Bills at 2.  

[Rico]

59 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/04/11/uclas-josh-rosen-wears-hat-special-message-donald-trump

 

I know people don't want to talk politics, and I know it's long, but this is what Rosen said in an interview: 

 

"Well, I think it’s no secret that I’m not a large fan of Donald Trump — from a policy standpoint and from a human-being standpoint. I think it’s cowardly to run a campaign based on demagoguery and bigotry, and to incite fear so you can rally support for personal gain. He’s feeding off of racial tension and a lack of religious understanding, and a lack of sympathy and empathy for people who are different from him.

 

I think it’s sad that he’s not even trying to understand important issues and propose legitimate policies to make the country a better place. It seems like he just wants to be president … so he can be president. There’s so much I don’t like. I don’t like his policy positions, and I really don’t like him making racially charged statements to people who don’t know better or understand what it’s like to come from poverty or different backgrounds.

 

One of the reasons why I love the sport of football so much is because it’s exposed me to so many varying circumstances and all different types of people. And the same goes for college. That’s part of why after getting to college I’ve formed such strong political stances, and it’s cool going to a school like UCLA where we’re encouraged to dig into important issues and freely speak our minds. I mean, we both come from money. We’re both well-educated people — or are becoming well-educated — our parents are educated, and we are privileged. We can come to college and not really have to worry about finances. We can focus on school and football. Meanwhile, we have guys on the team who are sending every dime of money they have home to their families. College has really opened my eyes to those disparities. I just feel really strongly about this topic, because I believe there’s a level of ignorance in this country when it comes to empathizing with others, and that needs to change. And I’m literally willing to sit down and debate anyone in the country — anyone! — about Trump and the current state of our society. I welcome the opportunity to discuss this stuff further. I care about it.

 

You probably shouldn’t have gotten me started, man. But, yeah, I think it’s safe to say that me and Donald Trump will not be getting matching Thunder Buddies T-shirts anytime soon."

 

 

He didn’t take a knee during the anthem, it’s all good.

[BadLandsMeanie]

16 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

But his red flags continue to grow for me. 

 

 

Me too. I'm getting the idea that he likes the sound of his own voice a bit too much. Among other things.

[MrEpsYtown]

1 hour ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

He's not wrong

 

He's obviously a super selfish spoiled rich kid who doesn't care about anybody other than himself.

 

[Coach Tuesday]

51 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Simple criteria for finding an elite QB:

 

Started at least 3 years in college.  

Won in college 

Accuracy 

Conservative world view and most likely votes R (they may vote D, but worldview 100 percent conservative).

 

 

Rosen may just be a Never Trump R.  Or a hardcore Bernie Bro.  I have no idea.  But his red flags continue to grow for me.  I had not read that interview before.  A lot of b.s. virtue signaling....saying a lot while saying absolutely nothing.  

 

Good luck with that Jets.  

 

This post is nonsense 

[MrEpsYtown]

47 minutes ago, 3rdand12 said:

woody is no longer on the staff after his new political appt ???
 His Son is now the Guy meddling Lol.

 

Lol, that's why I said Johnsons, but yeah his BS political appointment doesn't really require much attention. It's basically a title. Apparently every rich doner gets a nice title the last couple of years. Woody is definitely still plugged into what the team is doing. 

[Boatdrinks]

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

It's like the Yankees & the Mets... Can't give them a leg up

And if you make a mistake, the other guy gets the better of you. The NY media would skewer you whole. Best to just not do business. 

[aristocrat]

Jets have already screwed up their future. Nobody will throw on them but we can run all over them and they can’t run the ball

[Drunken Pygmy Goat]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

I was almost positive they never called the Giants. They’ve never done a trade between those two organizations in their history. 

 

I never thought that they didn't at least call. You would think a good GM would at least pick up the phone, but maybe that says it all about the relationship between the two teams, or lack thereof.

 

I have however been of the belief that the Giants would much rather make a trade with the Bills than the Jets for a potential franchise QB. They don't want the Jets to have a player that could turn that team around, making them the big dogs in NY. 

[JoPar_v2]

1 hour ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

 

 

Me too. I'm getting the idea that he likes the sound of his own voice a bit too much. Among other things.

Lol really? This opinion from someone who regales us with LAMPs on his opinions on catholicism. On a football message board.

 

the irony is astounding.

[MarlinTheMagician]

I don't want Rosen one bit because (a) I think he gets broken, and (b) he won't want to be in Buffalo and likely won't stay after rookie deal.  Having said that the interview posted above raised him up a notch or two for me - well said young man!

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

2 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/04/11/uclas-josh-rosen-wears-hat-special-message-donald-trump

 

I know people don't want to talk politics, and I know it's long, but this is what Rosen said in an interview: 

 

"Well, I think it’s no secret that I’m not a large fan of Donald Trump — from a policy standpoint and from a human-being standpoint. I think it’s cowardly to run a campaign based on demagoguery and bigotry, and to incite fear so you can rally support for personal gain. He’s feeding off of racial tension and a lack of religious understanding, and a lack of sympathy and empathy for people who are different from him.

 

I think it’s sad that he’s not even trying to understand important issues and propose legitimate policies to make the country a better place. It seems like he just wants to be president … so he can be president. There’s so much I don’t like. I don’t like his policy positions, and I really don’t like him making racially charged statements to people who don’t know better or understand what it’s like to come from poverty or different backgrounds.

 

One of the reasons why I love the sport of football so much is because it’s exposed me to so many varying circumstances and all different types of people. And the same goes for college. That’s part of why after getting to college I’ve formed such strong political stances, and it’s cool going to a school like UCLA where we’re encouraged to dig into important issues and freely speak our minds. I mean, we both come from money. We’re both well-educated people — or are becoming well-educated — our parents are educated, and we are privileged. We can come to college and not really have to worry about finances. We can focus on school and football. Meanwhile, we have guys on the team who are sending every dime of money they have home to their families. College has really opened my eyes to those disparities. I just feel really strongly about this topic, because I believe there’s a level of ignorance in this country when it comes to empathizing with others, and that needs to change. And I’m literally willing to sit down and debate anyone in the country — anyone! — about Trump and the current state of our society. I welcome the opportunity to discuss this stuff further. I care about it.

 

You probably shouldn’t have gotten me started, man. But, yeah, I think it’s safe to say that me and Donald Trump will not be getting matching Thunder Buddies T-shirts anytime soon."

 

 

So, on the leadership issues as it relates to this commentary, Rosen strikes me as world class narcissist, and a self-absorbed rich kid who could be prone to alienating teammates (and fans, though winning chills a lot of that noise out).  He also strikes me as Intolernat of the views of others,  and I think that can cause friction when working with  adults.  To summarize....I think he sounds like a Trust Fund baby.

 

Its not not even so much what he says, or wearing a dopey hat,  much of what he's talking about likely comes from a good place, but I'm typically concerned about someone's leadership quotient when in less than 1000 words they've told me how enlightened they are relative to other people,  how well-educated they are because like UCLA,  how wealthy their parents are,  how there's so much ignorance in the country relative to everything they know, but the real kicker for me was "I'll debate ANYONE" which always seems an awful lot like "I'll bludgeon ANYONE" with my opinions". 

 

 then again, maybe he's so good no one gives a crap about any of that and he leads his team to the promised land.  Hard to say. Oh and I gotta hand it to him on the Thuderbuddies reference. 

Edited March 26, 2018 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[Yard Monkey]

41 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

So, on the leadership issues as it relates to this commentary, Rosen strikes me as world class narcissist, and a self-absorbed rich kid who could be prone to alienating teammates (and fans, though winning chills a lot of that noise out).  He also strikes me as Intolernat of the views of others,  and I think that can cause friction when working with  adults.  To summarize....I think he sounds like a Trust Fund baby.

 

Its not not even so much what he says, or wearing a dopey hat,  much of what he's talking about likely comes from a good place, but I'm typically concerned about someone's leadership quotient when in less than 1000 words they've told me how enlightened they are relative to other people,  how well-educated they are because like UCLA,  how wealthy their parents are,  how there's so much ignorance in the country relative to everything they know, but the real kicker for me was "I'll debate ANYONE" which always seems an awful lot like "I'll bludgeon ANYONE" with my opinions". 

 

 then again, maybe he's so good no one gives a crap about any of that and he leads his team to the promised land.  Hard to say. Oh and I gotta hand it to him on the Thuderbuddies reference. 

Wow! Did you even read his quote?

[rodneykm]

3 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/04/11/uclas-josh-rosen-wears-hat-special-message-donald-trump

 

I know people don't want to talk politics, and I know it's long, but this is what Rosen said in an interview: 

 

"Well, I think it’s no secret that I’m not a large fan of Donald Trump — from a policy standpoint and from a human-being standpoint. I think it’s cowardly to run a campaign based on demagoguery and bigotry, and to incite fear so you can rally support for personal gain. He’s feeding off of racial tension and a lack of religious understanding, and a lack of sympathy and empathy for people who are different from him.

 

I think it’s sad that he’s not even trying to understand important issues and propose legitimate policies to make the country a better place. It seems like he just wants to be president … so he can be president. There’s so much I don’t like. I don’t like his policy positions, and I really don’t like him making racially charged statements to people who don’t know better or understand what it’s like to come from poverty or different backgrounds.

 

One of the reasons why I love the sport of football so much is because it’s exposed me to so many varying circumstances and all different types of people. And the same goes for college. That’s part of why after getting to college I’ve formed such strong political stances, and it’s cool going to a school like UCLA where we’re encouraged to dig into important issues and freely speak our minds. I mean, we both come from money. We’re both well-educated people — or are becoming well-educated — our parents are educated, and we are privileged. We can come to college and not really have to worry about finances. We can focus on school and football. Meanwhile, we have guys on the team who are sending every dime of money they have home to their families. College has really opened my eyes to those disparities. I just feel really strongly about this topic, because I believe there’s a level of ignorance in this country when it comes to empathizing with others, and that needs to change. And I’m literally willing to sit down and debate anyone in the country — anyone! — about Trump and the current state of our society. I welcome the opportunity to discuss this stuff further. I care about it.

 

You probably shouldn’t have gotten me started, man. But, yeah, I think it’s safe to say that me and Donald Trump will not be getting matching Thunder Buddies T-shirts anytime soon."

 

 

 

 

..no one cares.

[gobills1212]

52 minutes ago, MarlinTheMagician said:

I don't want Rosen one bit because (a) I think he gets broken, and (b) he won't want to be in Buffalo and likely won't stay after rookie deal.  Having said that the interview posted above raised him up a notch or two for me - well said young man!

That seems a little unfair, paranoid,  and presumptuous.  Not liking someone bc YOU feel they might leave (based on???) Is odd

[BadLandsMeanie]

1 hour ago, JoPar_v2 said:

Lol really? This opinion from someone who regales us with LAMPs on his opinions on catholicism. On a football message board.

 

the irony is astounding.

 

 Well, in fairness, it went over even worse on the ISIS message board. 

[MrEpsYtown]

30 minutes ago, rodneykm said:

 

 

..no one cares.

 

If this is directed to me, I simply posted this as an example of why I think the Jets owner may not like the idea of drafting the kid. So it is simply relevant to the conversation in the thread. 

 

And if it is directed at Rosen, he was simply answering a question the reporter asked. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

44 minutes ago, Yard Monkey said:

Wow! Did you even read his quote?

Sure, it was an easy read. Why do you ask?

Edited March 26, 2018 by leh-nerd skin-erd

[BillsFan692]

1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

So, on the leadership issues as it relates to this commentary, Rosen strikes me as world class narcissist, and a self-absorbed rich kid who could be prone to alienating teammates (and fans, though winning chills a lot of that noise out).  He also strikes me as Intolernat of the views of others,  and I think that can cause friction when working with  adults.  To summarize....I think he sounds like a Trust Fund baby.

 

Its not not even so much what he says, or wearing a dopey hat,  much of what he's talking about likely comes from a good place, but I'm typically concerned about someone's leadership quotient when in less than 1000 words they've told me how enlightened they are relative to other people,  how well-educated they are because like UCLA,  how wealthy their parents are,  how there's so much ignorance in the country relative to everything they know, but the real kicker for me was "I'll debate ANYONE" which always seems an awful lot like "I'll bludgeon ANYONE" with my opinions". 

 

 then again, maybe he's so good no one gives a crap about any of that and he leads his team to the promised land.  Hard to say. Oh and I gotta hand it to him on the Thuderbuddies reference. 

 

He's not afraid to speak his opinions even though he knows people will try to bully him and tear him down. Sounds like courage. Sounds like leadership to me.

 

Now I don't think we should be mixing our football and our politics, but like the Beatles said, you ask the questions and we answer them.

 

Do you think John was more of an R or a D?

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

30 minutes ago, BillsFan692 said:

 

He's not afraid to speak his opinions even though he knows people will try to bully him and tear him down. Sounds like courage. Sounds like leadership to me.

 

Now I don't think we should be mixing our football and our politics, but like the Beatles said, you ask the questions and we answer them.

 

Do you think John was more of an R or a D?

Could be, and time will tell. I wasn't talking about his politics, I was talking about his demeanor.  imo there is a fine line between having faith in your convictions and being a know-it-all. I think folks figure that stuff out, and maybe it will plays well in whatever football locker room he ends up in. I'll say this....arrogance can be tolerated and celebrated when you get lots of wins, but can be an irritant and be divisive when you don't deliver.  

 

I'm not much up in the Beatles, so I'm not sure about John's politics, but he was a hecka of a salesman. 

Edited March 26, 2018 by leh-nerd skin-erd