Mara- Jets didn't call to go to #2 Also Jets owner talked to the GM & offer to Suh was pulled

[What a Tuel]

4 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I was almost positive they never called the Giants. They’ve never done a trade between those two organizations in their history. 

 

Is there some history here? I never thought or knew there was a rivalry between them? Maybe the fans for sharing a stadium, but the ownerships?

[Boatdrinks]

53 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

If this is directed to me, I simply posted this as an example of why I think the Jets owner may not like the idea of drafting the kid. So it is simply relevant to the conversation in the thread. 

 

And if it is directed at Rosen, he was simply answering a question the reporter asked. 

I think it was directed at Rosen ( and his commentary) fwiw

[KD in CA]

6 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

It's like the Yankees & the Mets... Can't give them a leg up

 

Yup.   They may be in separate conferences, but the war for the back page means a lot in NYC.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

How does it make sense that a team would call on 1 and 3 but not 2. Something fishy there. 

[dollars 2 donuts]

I am annoyed and tired of being so torn between 5 picks and getting the second best QB in the draft at 2, assuming the Gmen give it up.  

 

If if the distance between 1 and 2 at QB is much less than the distance between 2 and possibly the 4 th QB at 12...and they love the guy, then go get him if you can.

Edited March 26, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts

[3rdand12]

9 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Lol, that's why I said Johnsons, but yeah his BS political appointment doesn't really require much attention. It's basically a title. Apparently every rich doner gets a nice title the last couple of years. Woody is definitely still plugged into what the team is doing. 

I imagine you are correct about being plugged in still. Jets still have the same feel of meddling ownership 

[Tenhigh]

9 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

So, on the leadership issues as it relates to this commentary, Rosen strikes me as world class narcissist, and a self-absorbed rich kid who could be prone to alienating teammates (and fans, though winning chills a lot of that noise out).  He also strikes me as Intolernat of the views of others,  and I think that can cause friction when working with  adults.  To summarize....I think he sounds like a Trust Fund baby.

 

Its not not even so much what he says, or wearing a dopey hat,  much of what he's talking about likely comes from a good place, but I'm typically concerned about someone's leadership quotient when in less than 1000 words they've told me how enlightened they are relative to other people,  how well-educated they are because like UCLA,  how wealthy their parents are,  how there's so much ignorance in the country relative to everything they know, but the real kicker for me was "I'll debate ANYONE" which always seems an awful lot like "I'll bludgeon ANYONE" with my opinions". 

 

 then again, maybe he's so good no one gives a crap about any of that and he leads his team to the promised land.  Hard to say. Oh and I gotta hand it to him on the Thuderbuddies reference. 

Funny, I got that same vibe reading this. Here is the rub though, I feel like to be a truly great QB you need to have a healthy dose of arrogant narcissism, otherwise you will never survive in this league. Reading this, Rosen could be the next  Aaron Rodgers.

[YoloinOhio]

8 hours ago, What a Tuel said:

 

Is there some history here? I never thought or knew there was a rivalry between them? Maybe the fans for sharing a stadium, but the ownerships?

A ny reporter last week compared it to the Montagues and the Capulets.

[YoloinOhio]

Suh had no interest in the Jests

 

Edited March 26, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[smuvtalker]

16 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

https://www.si.com/extra-mustard/2016/04/11/uclas-josh-rosen-wears-hat-special-message-donald-trump

 

I know people don't want to talk politics, and I know it's long, but this is what Rosen said in an interview: 

 

"Well, I think it’s no secret that I’m not a large fan of Donald Trump — from a policy standpoint and from a human-being standpoint. I think it’s cowardly to run a campaign based on demagoguery and bigotry, and to incite fear so you can rally support for personal gain. He’s feeding off of racial tension and a lack of religious understanding, and a lack of sympathy and empathy for people who are different from him.

 

I think it’s sad that he’s not even trying to understand important issues and propose legitimate policies to make the country a better place. It seems like he just wants to be president … so he can be president. There’s so much I don’t like. I don’t like his policy positions, and I really don’t like him making racially charged statements to people who don’t know better or understand what it’s like to come from poverty or different backgrounds.

 

One of the reasons why I love the sport of football so much is because it’s exposed me to so many varying circumstances and all different types of people. And the same goes for college. That’s part of why after getting to college I’ve formed such strong political stances, and it’s cool going to a school like UCLA where we’re encouraged to dig into important issues and freely speak our minds. I mean, we both come from money. We’re both well-educated people — or are becoming well-educated — our parents are educated, and we are privileged. We can come to college and not really have to worry about finances. We can focus on school and football. Meanwhile, we have guys on the team who are sending every dime of money they have home to their families. College has really opened my eyes to those disparities. I just feel really strongly about this topic, because I believe there’s a level of ignorance in this country when it comes to empathizing with others, and that needs to change. And I’m literally willing to sit down and debate anyone in the country — anyone! — about Trump and the current state of our society. I welcome the opportunity to discuss this stuff further. I care about it.

 

You probably shouldn’t have gotten me started, man. But, yeah, I think it’s safe to say that me and Donald Trump will not be getting matching Thunder Buddies T-shirts anytime soon."

 

 

Holy crap I had no idea the kid said all this.  And I liked the sh!t out him BEFORE reading that!!!

 

Yeah....whatever we have to give up to move up to ensure he becomes a Buffalo Bill.  Whatever.  Do it.  You have my full support.  That is all.

[stony]

11 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:

Could be, and time will tell. I wasn't talking about his politics, I was talking about his demeanor.  imo there is a fine line between having faith in your convictions and being a know-it-all. I think folks figure that stuff out, and maybe it will plays well in whatever football locker room he ends up in. I'll say this....arrogance can be tolerated and celebrated when you get lots of wins, but can be an irritant and be divisive when you don't deliver.  

 

I'm not much up in the Beatles, so I'm not sure about John's politics, but he was a hecka of a salesman. 

 

It's a fair point, I just tend to give more latitude to these guys.  At the end of the day, they're 21-22 year old guys having every word of every sentence dissected.  I often struggle to make it through one post on TBD without a run-on sentence or misplaced comma.  And whether my politics agreed or disagreed with his, I'd still be impressed with is thoughtfulness and ability to string together complete thoughts, un-littered with cliches and coach speak.  

Edited March 26, 2018 by stony

[buffalobloodfloridahome]

It is really funny that people are now worried about political stances. He is a football player not a senator or house of rep.. Not even shooting for mayor at this point. Yeah he becomes the face of the franchise and obviously you don't want allot of controversy. I have heard many interviews with coaches and former players that see that fire inside of Rosen that only a select few possess ( Brady, Manning, Rodgers, Brees). He is very intelligent and is a perfectionist which bodes well at the next level. Yeah I know allot of Buffalo is overly conservative. I guarantee if he hoists the Lombardi trophy for the Bills you won't care if he voted for the Green Party.

[K-9]

Brings to mind another southern California QB with strong political leanings and a loud voice that wasn't shy about sharing them who came to Buffalo, embraced the city,  and won championships. I'd argue that being unafraid to speak up is an requirement for being a successful QB. 

[leh-nerd skin-erd]

1 hour ago, stony said:

 

It's a fair point, I just tend to give more latitude to these guys.  At the end of the day, they're 21-22 year old guys having every word of every sentence dissected.  I often struggle to make it through one post on TBD without a run-on sentence or misplaced comma.  And whether my politics agreed or disagreed with his, I'd still be impressed with is thoughtfulness and ability to string together complete thoughts, un-littered with cliches and coach speak.  

again, fair points, as was the prior poster who suggested he might be the next Aaron Rodgers. I get that, and mentioned that possibility in my first post.

 

I don't claim to have any, most or all of the answers.  I think the potential for challenges is there, and would think the same thing of he wore a "F. Obama" shirt or "Crooked Hillary" hat, with the mindset being that he would debate anyone in the world about the need for an end to the overall of our national entitlement system or the need to end support for planned parenthood. 

 

And btw, while we're discussing it, it is 100% fair to draw parallels to successful NFL qbs. It is also fair to point out that for every brash, outspoken (or thoughtful as some see it) high end collegiate athlete who makes it to the top in the NFL as a "leader", there are a whole boatload who didn't for any number of reasons. 

 

If he goes to the Bills, I hope he's the guy who some of you think he can be. For me, there are warning signs. 

 

 

 

[BillsFan2313]

15 hours ago, rodneykm said:

 

 

..no one cares.

 

I do