Hebert19 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I've read people make this statement a few times in different posts and thought it deserved a thread. First off this is B.S. in my opinion. I think he made the line lool worse. Why you ask? 1. Since 2016 Taylor has had the highest time to throw in NFL. Meaning he holds the ball the longest. 2. He almost never throws the ball at the top of his dropback. He never anticipates the throw and rarely throws based on timing. Instead he waits for people to get open causing dline to get pressure and fans who don't understand things say wow...he saved a sack there but instead if the ball came out on time there would be no pressure at all. 3. Taylor's footwork was/is terrible. Instead of stepping up in the pocket (which was solid due to wood and Ritchie most of the time) he moved into where the defense was a lot. For these reasons a QB who can throw with anticipation and has better mobility within the pocket will make the oline look much better. Discuss. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramza86 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I think its both. There were plenty of times where a simple climb would have avoided sack/pressure/negative outcome. I think plenty of times he evaded a sack that would have been caused by poor blocking. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: I think its both. There were plenty of times where a simple climb would have avoided sack/pressure/negative outcome. I think plenty of times he evaded a sack that would have been caused by poor blocking. I agree. For all the sack he ran into, he also made inhuman athletic plays to escape sacks as well. Lets hope our new QB can compensate for what he lacks in escapeability with getting the ball out on time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Can we discuss the o line without Tyrod being involved? Lol. The talking/arguing has finally stopped and it’s been beautiful. Just talking about the o line, I think the Bills need to address RT and especially a guard in the draft. I still think o line is a bit of a weakness for them and they need to improve at a few spots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Boy Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Two things : Use the past tense, he is no longer here. I think that loop de loop footwork he constantly did was actually pretty tricky? Otherwise, I agree with you 1000 percent. Was a bum, is a bum, always will be a bum!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurker Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 9 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: I've read people make this statement a few times in different posts and thought it deserved a thread. First off this is B.S. in my opinion. Who are you...Donald Trump? ("A lot of people say...") I've never heard anyone say TT made the line look better. If someone did, it is not a widely-shared POV IMO... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalostu2 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 13 minutes ago, Hebert19 said: I've read people make this statement a few times in different posts and thought it deserved a thread. First off this is B.S. in my opinion. I think he made the line lool worse. Why you ask? 1. Since 2016 Taylor has had the highest time to throw in NFL. Meaning he holds the ball the longest. 2. He almost never throws the ball at the top of his dropback. He never anticipates the throw and rarely throws based on timing. Instead he waits for people to get open causing dline to get pressure and fans who don't understand things say wow...he saved a sack there but instead if the ball came out on time there would be no pressure at all. 3. Taylor's footwork was/is terrible. Instead of stepping up in the pocket (which was solid due to wood and Ritchie most of the time) he moved into where the defense was a lot. For these reasons a QB who can throw with anticipation and has better mobility within the pocket will make the oline look much better. Discuss. What about when Peterman was in there? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Teams have to spy Tyrod so the player who would blitz or play in short zones is taken out of the game. Tyrod makes teams play 11v10. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misterbluesky Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 It's obvious the sack totals would have been much higher if not for TT 's elusiveness,the guy ran around out there like a petrified buck during the opening day of hunting season.No worries...they signed Newhouse . 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Why are we still talking about Taylor? He's Cleveland's issue now. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I would venture to say that Tyrod made more plays where a guy got beat than sacks he took for holding the ball too long. That was his game and always will be though. It’s the same thing that Ben and Russell Wilson try to do. They try to keep plays alive as long as they can. There are a ton of plays that Tyrod made when someone else would have thrown it away or taken a sack. It is hard to quantify without re-watching every play but that’s the intuitive sense I get. I am confident that there are more of those situations than sacks that he took that others wouldn’t have (and I’ll bet it is close to 2:1). The other thing is that he often required a spy allowing more space to work for the RBs and one less guy on the receivers. These are subtle advantages that never get mentioned but will change (unless Lamar is the guy). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Review the tape of the game versus the LA Chargers. Then note that the Chargers D didn't have 150 sacks or force 800 pressures and 160 turnovers last season. Teams approach rushing the passer differently when they know the QB can gash them for huge plays with his feet. If the NFL didn't know........they found out in that Titans game in 2015........and once teams saw him win that game with his feet he never really saw an all-out pass rush again. The team that's thanking the stars for TT being out of the division is Miami.........they built this pass rushing DL and Taylor rendered it pretty pointless in their games. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, No Place To Hyde said: Why are we still talking about Taylor? He's Cleveland's issue now. I believe the OP is saying that the OL is better than some of us think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slaphappy Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Matt Stafford and Brissett are the only 2 QB's who got sacked more than Tyrod..how good was he making the line look? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sig1Hunter Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) How much of the "time to throw" metric was influenced by Tyrods ability to avoid the sack? I'd argue that it influenced it a lot, and therefore that metric is a misnomer. Edited March 20, 2018 by Sig1Hunter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CuddyDark Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 3 minutes ago, slaphappy said: Matt Stafford and Brissett are the only 2 QB's who got sacked more than Tyrod..how good was he making the line look? Very. Also Tyrod ran out of bounds behind the line a lot which is also counted as a sack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 (edited) 20 minutes ago, buffalostu2 said: What about when Peterman was in there? He strategically has a super quick release to give himself time to get into position to make the tackle. Edited March 20, 2018 by Over 29 years of fanhood 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 1 minute ago, CuddyDark said: Very. Also Tyrod ran out of bounds behind the line a lot which is also counted as a sack. Then that's 100% Tyrod's fault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 I've missed these taylor threads. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted March 20, 2018 Share Posted March 20, 2018 Are we still fighting about former QBs? I still have some unresolved issues with Vince Young’s time here. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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