Why not give McCarron an honest chance?

[DrDawkinstein]

I want to give McCarron an honest chance... to use his 4 year NFL-development head start to compete against a blue-chip prospect rookie.

[transplantbillsfan]

He will have an honest chance. What do you mean? He just needs to beat out Peterman and whatever rookie we draft. Do you think he should be handed the job?

[White Linen]

I don't want to worry about QB until all our other needs are fixed.  The way to win is to address all your needs in one draft - win enough games to prove you have very few needs - then some year down the road worry about QB.  Hopefully we win enough games to never have an opportunity to draft one of the top QB's coming out of college - I mean they do have a low success rate.  

[Doc Brown]

1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

We could have had Russell Wilson in the 3rd round but we drafter a WR who was a bust. I almost smashed my TV when we passed on Wilson.

LOL.  It was the height that scared most teams off.  We passed on a QB that year because we though Ryan Fitzpatrick would excel with the right team around him which is kind of my point.

[26CornerBlitz]

Ouch!

 

 

[Bills4life1924]

4 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Yes.  Look at my avatar.  Fricken trade up. There's three great QB prospects in Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield imo. I'm sick of being in a constant state of mediocrity because we can't find our franchise QB.  Picking 1st round QB's outside the top 10 hasn't worked.  Trading for promising backups hasn't worked.

Nice bud, bc u just had me confused. I never stated to pick qb at 12. I am with u and all for trading up! I just feel like 1 or 2 qb's will slide, and 1 of them McBeane likes and will trade up btwn 6-10 to get him

[Doc Brown]

5 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

No proof they won’t be mediocre or worse.

I'll take my chances.  You have to in this league that's so dependent on quarterback play.

[Punt75]

33 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

He was in Saban’s pro-style offense.  He played well in big games, won two national championships.  Is used to taking snaps under center.  Has a 66.9% accuracy percentage which is better than every other QB prospect in this year’s draft besides Mayfield.  He has now had a couple of years to sit behind Andy Dalton, a solid NFL QB, and acclimate to the NFL, and has looked good in spot duty when Dalton was out.

 

I think going up to pick 2 is going to take all of our draft capital.  I’d rather give McCarron an honest chance to be our QB.  Surround him with talent from this year’s draft and let’s see what the kid can do.

 

Accuracy percentages 2017

Mayfield. 70.1%

Rosen      62.6%

Darnold   63.1%

Allen        56.3%

Jackson  59.1%

 

McCarron career 66.9%

 

This Management is too smart to throw away 6 picks within the top 100 players for an unknown quality kid QB.  None of them stand out like a sure deal.  Good Post!

[ALLEN1QB]

I am starting to think the same thing let's not even draft a quarterback early let's rebuild the team and give McCarron an honest shot

[Inigo Montoya]

1 minute ago, Manther said:

IMO McCarron will be given a chance AND we will draft a QB who will also be given a chance.  The two are not mutualy exclusive.

 

I think the only way McCarron doesn't start day one are......

 

- we draft Rosen

- McCarron gets hurt

- Peterman wins the job in TC (not likely)

 

I’d like McCarron to have an honest chance.  I think if we “sell the farm” to draft an “elite” QB this year, we put McCarron on the field with a team so full of holes that he has the deck stacked against him.  We need WR, LB, O-line help in a big way.  We don’t get to fill those holes if we move up to the 2nd pick.

 

 

[Victory Formation]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

There's no hard and fast rule for this nor should there be.  See Russell Wilson and Carson Wentz for reference. 

I'm more in tune with what Andy Reid did with Mahomes, that's how it should be done. Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Jimmy G, Dak Prescott, Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers, Kirk Cousins and so many more benefitted from sitting on the bench. You say start him, we're just going to have to disagree on that one. Wait until the game is agonizingly slow for whoever it is we draft. Some of these guys have never taken snaps under center or audibled a play before in their life, handle them with kiddy gloves.

[Bob in STL]

6 minutes ago, Bills4life1924 said:

I agree, I don't see them moving to top 5 and mortgaging a lot of picks. But every year a player slides. There are 4 top qb's and I doubt all 4 go in top 5 picks. I feel we will trade up inbetween 6-10 to get 1 of the qb's that slide. We would still have some nice picks for top tier prospects

We should only do this if a guy we really like is the one that slides.  I don’t want to chase.  

 

As for McCarron, he will be our starting qb unless he has a poor performance in camp.  

[Sky Diver]

There is a lot to like about McCarron and he has 4 yrs of learning under his belt.

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/aj-mccarron?id=2543497

[BadLandsMeanie]

11 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Yes.  Look at my avatar.  Fricken trade up. There's three great QB prospects in Darnold, Rosen, and Mayfield imo. I'm sick of being in a constant state of mediocrity because we can't find our franchise QB.  Picking 1st round QB's outside the top 10 hasn't worked.  Trading for promising backups hasn't worked.

I disagree.

That in itself is not what didn't work.

What didn't work is seeing that JP was a miss, and refusing to admit it. They pretended. They did not react. And then missed opportunities. 

We saw that Trent was damaged somehow. He wouldn't throw long. He took the checkdown. There were songs about it. They refused to do anything.

We saw that EJ looked lost his first year. They refused to admit it. Instead they used 2 firsts to get Sammy Watkins.

We saw that Tyrod had issues. They said he was essentially, a rookie. They refused to do anything. For years. 

So in this last instance Watson goes to the cowboys and Mahomes to the Cheifs.

 

Them living in a dream world is what got us here.

 

So if we have to trade a gazillion picks to get a QB oh well. We have to do what we have to do. But it isn't because it is the only way. The better way is to stay rooted in reality and react to what you see.

 

So for me if they give McCarron a shot and he stinks, and they react to it, I will be fine.  I don't think giving him a chance has to be a bad thing.

Edited March 18, 2018 by BadLandsMeanie

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, NewDayBills said:

I'm more in tune with what Andy Reid did with Mahomes, that's how it should be done. Tom Brady, Aaron Rodgers, Eli Manning, Jimmy G, Dak Prescott, Carson Palmer, Philip Rivers, Kirk Cousins and so many more benefitted from sitting on the bench. You say start him, we're just going to have to disagree on that one. Wait until the game is agonizingly slow for whoever it is we draft. Some of these guys have never taken snaps under center or audibled a play before in their life, handle them with kiddy gloves.

 

Mahomes needed that time to sit.  Like I posted before, it depends on who the rookie is. 

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, Bills4life1924 said:

Nice bud, bc u just had me confused. I never stated to pick qb at 12. I am with u and all for trading up! I just feel like 1 or 2 qb's will slide, and 1 of them McBeane likes and will trade up btwn 6-10 to get him

My gut feeling is that if one falls to #5 the Broncos will take whatever of the four QB's are left.  I hope I'm wrong though.

Edited March 18, 2018 by Doc Brown

[Manther]

1 minute ago, Inigo Montoya said:

 

I’d like McCarron to have an honest chance.  I think if we “sell the farm” to draft an “elite” QB this year, we put McCarron on the field with a team so full of holes that he has the deck stacked against him.  We need WR, LB, O-line help in a big way.  We don’t get to fill those holes if we move up to the 2nd pick.

 

 

TT had almost the same team last year and the roster will be slightly better when the season starts even if we trade most of our picks (which I don't think we do or need to do to move up).  

 

McCarron is better than TT.  IMO the deck is not stacked against McCarron.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

There is no reason not to.  

 

3 years in the bench behind a good QB  I’d think he learned a lot.  

 

2-1 as a starter and 0-1 in the playoffs because 2 teammates did some me dumbshit and lost the game.  

Edited March 18, 2018 by ShadyBillsFan

[White Linen]

26 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

I don’t know if “the process” involves giving up an entire draft to grab a QB on a team with an inadequate WR and LB corps, and a questionable O line.

 

We would have to give up every pick this year, next year and the year after.  It's not worth it, you're right.  

 

We need WR's and TE's before we give two craps about getting a QB.  Half our o line needs to be replaced so what good would a QB do any way?  We shouldn't be worried about addressing QB for at least 3-4 years.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

28 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

Franchise QBs can be had in later rounds. They don’t have to trade up.

 

Foolishness.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Manther said:

TT had almost the same team last year and the roster will be slightly better when the season starts even if we trade most of our picks (which I don't think we do or need to do to move up).  

 

McCarron is better than TT.  IMO the deck is not stacked against McCarron.

 

Based on what? He'll have to prove that he is. 

[Sky Diver]

5 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

LOL.  It was the height that scared most teams off.  We passed on a QB that year because we though Ryan Fitzpatrick would excel with the right team around him which is kind of my point.

 

Except he didn’t have a great team around him. There was no excuse for passing on Wilson.

[Dadonkadonk]

18 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Bledsoe.  Before that Rob Johnson.

Losman

[Nick the Greek]

29 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

Franchise QBs can be had in later rounds. They don’t have to trade up.

Are you referring to Tom Brady? Great point!

[Buffalo Barbarian]

37 minutes ago, Inigo Montoya said:

He was in Saban’s pro-style offense.  He played well in big games, won two national championships.  Is used to taking snaps under center.  Has a 66.9% accuracy percentage which is better than every other QB prospect in this year’s draft besides Mayfield.  He has now had a couple of years to sit behind Andy Dalton, a solid NFL QB, and acclimate to the NFL, and has looked good in spot duty when Dalton was out.

 

I think going up to pick 2 is going to take all of our draft capital.  I’d rather give McCarron an honest chance to be our QB.  Surround him with talent from this year’s draft and let’s see what the kid can do.

 

Accuracy percentages 2017

Mayfield. 70.1%

Rosen      62.6%

Darnold   63.1%

Allen        56.3%

Jackson  59.1%

 

McCarron career 66.9%

 

We might but only  if we are unable to land one of the big four.

 

 

[Doc Brown]

Just now, Sky Diver said:

 

Except he didn’t have a great team around him. There was no excuse for passing on Wilson.

A lot of other teams passed on him as well.  Plus, we had Buddy Nix as GM so there's that.

[Sky Diver]

2 minutes ago, joesixpack said:

 

Foolishness.

 

Dak Prescott - 4th round pick.

[DriveFor1Outta5]

3 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

There is a lot to like about McCarron and he has 4 yrs of learning under his belt.

 

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2014/profiles/aj-mccarron?id=2543497

Something tells me you’re slightly biased  ? , I’m willing to give McCarron a chance, but the reality is that his skill set translates to a backup in the pros. Hopefully I’m wrong. It would just be a mistake to go all in on McCarron as the franchise guy. He couldn’t even beat out Dalton in Cincy.1 It’d be the same mistake we made with Edwards and Fitz by giving a backup level talent too long to prove himself as a starter.  

[Manther]

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Based on what? He'll have to prove that he is. 

 

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Based on what? He'll have to prove that he is. 

Agreed McCarron will have to prove it.  And, him being better than TT is based on my opinion.  And, that McCarron is more of a QB than an athlete.  TT has been beaten to death, so, I won't add on.  IMO McCarron is better than TT.  I hope I am right.  But, my opinion is based mostly on process of elimination and TT's low ceiling.

[Sky Diver]

1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:

A lot of other teams passed on him as well.  Plus, we had Buddy Nix as GM so there's that.

 

I lived in WI at the time and was quite familiar with Wilson.

Just now, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

Something tells me you’re slightly biased  ? , I’m willing to give McCarron a chance, but the reality is that his skill set translates to a backup in the pros. Hopefully I’m wrong. It would just be a mistake to go all in on McCarron as the franchise guy. He couldn’t even beat out Dalton in Cincy.1 It’d be the same mistake we made with Edwards and Fitz by giving a backup level talent too long to prove himself as a starter.  

 

Not saying go all in on McCarron. Draft a QB, but don’t give up the draft board.

[DriveFor1Outta5]

2 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

 

Dak Prescott - 4th round pick.

The story of Dak’s career has yet to be written. People are still stuck on his rookie season. He needs to prove himself this year. 

[Sky Diver]

1 minute ago, Manther said:

 

Agreed McCarron will have to prove it.  And, him being better than TT is based on my opinion.  And, that McCarron is more of a QB than an athlete.  TT has been beaten to death, so, I won't add on.  IMO McCarron is better than TT.  I hope I am right.  But, my opinion is based mostly on process of elimination and TT's low ceiling.

 

McCarron is a pocket passer who played under center in a pro style offense. He has nothing to do with TT.

[SlimShady'sSpaceForce]

every QB has to prove it

 

none of these guys in the draft had done squat to prove that that can play in the nfl.  

 

 

[xsoldier54]

30 minutes ago, par73 said:

McCarron has had four years to challenge Andy Dalton in Cincinnati, and there has never been talk of a real competition. A fifth round draft pick-- with obvious limitations who will never be mistaken for a franchise guy (or even a true starter).

If McCarron starts, it will either be because the rookie needs time, or the Bills were unable to get the guy they want.

McCarron will be the starter this season.  I guarantee it unless he gets hurt.  They signed him to start this year and be the QB2 next year.  

[Sky Diver]

1 minute ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

The story of Dak’s career has yet to be written. People are still stuck on his rookie season. He needs to prove himself this year. 

 

But you want to give up the draft board for Darnold or Rosen?

[Batman1876]

So many people seem to prefer taking low probability long shots and hoping to beat the odds. If we don’t move up to get a Big Ben and instead decide that Losman and a few extra picks will be the better  choice I’ll cry. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Sky Diver said:

 

McCarron is a pocket passer who played under center in a pro style offense. He has nothing to do with TT.

 

McCarron was just an okay QB with CIn in 2015 when he surrounded by excellent talent with AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Mohamed Sanu, and Tyler Eifert.  He's a game manager at the NFL level and that's exactly why he was left standing when all of the QB chairs were filled except for the Bills.   I think he'll be decent, but we should all want more than that. 

[RochesterRob]

1 minute ago, Batman1876 said:

So many people seem to prefer taking low probability long shots and hoping to beat the odds. If we don’t move up to get a Big Ben and instead decide that Losman and a few extra picks will be the better  choice I’ll cry. 

  Is not taking low probability long shots and hoping to beat the odds another way to describe giving up a large part of your draft to move up to get a QB prospect all of whom have warts of various types?  

[Sky Diver]

2 minutes ago, Batman1876 said:

So many people seem to prefer taking low probability long shots and hoping to beat the odds. If we don’t move up to get a Big Ben and instead decide that Losman and a few extra picks will be the better  choice I’ll cry. 

 

Where is the proof that we are going to get a Big Ben by giving up our draft board? We could give up a ton of picks and still get Losman.

 

There is an element of luck here.

 

With all of our picks we are certain to get some very good players.

5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

McCarron was just an okay QB with CIn in 2015 when he surrounded by excellent talent with AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Mohamed Sanu, and Tyler Eifert.  He's a game manager at the NFL level and that's exactly why he was left standing when all of the QB chairs were filled except for the Bills.   I think he'll be decent, but we should all want more than that. 

 

He showed potential when thrown into difficult situations. That’s about all you can say at this point.

 

Cleveland was going to give up 2nd and 3rd round picks for him.

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

McCarron was just an okay QB with CIn in 2015 when he surrounded by excellent talent with AJ Green, Marvin Jones, Mohamed Sanu, and Tyler Eifert.  He's a game manager at the NFL level and that's exactly why he was left standing when all of the QB chairs were filled except for the Bills.   I think he'll be decent, but we should all want more than that. 

  Which takes us back to if he can have 250 yard games which is fairly pedestrian then would he not more than suffice if we complement McCoy with RB's (which we have already started to do) to maybe have a top 7 running game.  If we give McDermott his MLB so he can produce at least a top 10 defense in terms of yards allowed.  It's wonderful to want everything all at once but the above objectives if met would give us a team that would for sure contend into the divisional round then tweak it to go the rest of the way.