Why not give McCarron an honest chance?

[Doc Brown]

14 minutes ago, Magox said:

On the other hand, R. Wilson wasn't 18 overall either

Philip Rivers wasn't at #17 either.  That's his jersey number.  Who is this Bockeye character with only one post?

Edited March 19, 2018 by Doc Brown

[RochesterRob]

1 hour ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 

Nope. Dalton was injured and he was the starter for 4 games in 2015 and 1 more in the playoffs.  

  Just to add to the story regarding McC's 4 game "career."  Against Denver he passed for 200 yards while the Bronco's average passing yards allowed per game was 199.6.  Against Pittsburgh he passed for 280 yards while the Steelers average passing yards allowed per game was 271.9 .  Not Brady-esque but nothing to hold his head in shame over as the average allowed yards were compiled against AFC starters such as Rivers, Brady, Flacco, Smith, etc.  Further in loss to Denver McCarron's Bengals defensive team mates allowed 390 total yards which many would think was a bigger factor in a loss than McC.  Likewise, the Bengals allowing 354 yards to the Steelers would hardly be considered stingy.  Cincy had 2 wins in their other two games against SF and Balt..  A better outing by the Bengals D might have meant the Bengals going 4-0 in that stretch.  Just thought you might want to know. 

[Buffalo Boy]

1 hour ago, ShadyBillsFan said:

Or pretending one knows more than one actually does.   

 

That’s called bluffing?

1 hour ago, DriveFor1Outta5 said:

You can’t guarantee anything in football or

life. That should go without saying. Just because something could fail, doesn’t mean you don’t give it a try. If that’s how we all lived our lives, we’d be doing nothing. That’s why this team has been stuck in mediocrity for almost two decades. The Buffalo Bills are a nationally irrelevant football team. What is there to be afraid of by selling the farm? Is it losing our illustrious .500 record? 

Ouch!!!

Testify

46 minutes ago, Bockeye said:

Ryan(120)

Matt Ryan went #3 in 2008. My eyes popped out when I saw that.

[26CornerBlitz]

26 minutes ago, Buffalo Boy said:

The most important part of McDermott’s defenses if Carolina was the LB position. Star is of no value if we don’t get someone sitting behind him , choosing which gap to fill.

 

A good DL over LB every time for me. Any defense is nothing without that. 

 

It all starts up front.

[Buffalo Boy]

20 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Philip Rivers wasn't at #17 either.  That's his jersey number.  Who is this Bockeye character with only one post?

It’s like a quiz or something.

[greeneblitz]

Oh great, could've seen this coming a mile away, Bills fans enamored with the mediocre QB hoping he will be the next Tom Brady.

[Buffalo Boy]

12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

A good DL over LB every time for me. Any defense is nothing without that. 

 

It all starts up front.

Hog Mollies is what Gettlemen called Star and K Short when he drafted them. 

I’m not a huge fan of the Buffalo Carolina connection so far. 

Tolbert was a security blanket pick.

K Benjamin is Meh. He takes too many hits and I predict he will have a hard time finishing any season he starts.

Star is a space filler. He doesn’t push the pocket, sack or have good tackle stats for that matter. His acquisition leads me to believe we will be drafting a MLB in the first two rounds. I wouldn’t be surprised if we  pick up two LBs by the fourth round.

 

Edited March 19, 2018 by Buffalo Boy

[Boca BIlls]

1 hour ago, Bockeye said:

For those on the ledge stating that we need to move up from 12, here’s some evidence of why it’s a valid that AJ might be the answer OR a pick at 12 or beyond.  Look at the current NFL QB’s and where they were drafted (apologize for any errors):

 

Top Ten Pick

E Manning(1)

M Stafford(1)

A Smith(1)

J Goff(1)

C Wentz(2)

J Winston(1)

C Palmer(1)

C Newton(1)

 

 Picked Outside the Top Ten

B Roethlisbeger(11)

D Watson(12)

P Rivers(17)

R Wilson(18)

J Flacco(18)

A Rogers(22)

D Brees(32)

A Dalton(35)

D Carr(36)

D Kizer(52)

K Cousins(102)

M Ryan(120)

D Prescott(135)

T Brady(171)

C Keenum(UFA)

 

Pretty impressive list of QB’s outside the top ten. All I’m sayin’ brothers is step away from the ledge.  Don’t sell the zuba’s And throw in the towel. There’s a valid argument that we are better off picking outside the top 10.  Brady, Rogers, Brees, Roethlisberger.....maybe the next one is ours or maybe he’s already on our roster!

 

 

 

 

 

How can you step away from the ledge if your list isnt even correct. Also I want % of top 10 vs outside top 10 of failure rates. give me everything and correct or dont even bother at all.

[Manther]

1 hour ago, BadLandsMeanie said:

That is what I am hoping. But I am , well, whacked out lately. And obsessed. The Bills offs season has always been an empty void pretty much. A winter desert. This year it's eventful and stressy.

Huh?  Good Bills offseason?  I agree, fun and exciting!

[Doc Brown]

4 minutes ago, greeneblitz said:

Oh great, could've seen this coming a mile away, Bills fans enamored with the mediocre QB hoping he will be the next Tom Brady.

It's a defense mechanism.  I'm always amazed at how fans can sugar coat an obvious setback.  Yes, the four teams that pick in the top five will probably all take quarterbacks and there's probably nothing we can do about it.  I was and am still depressed about the Jets moving up to the three spot after us talking for a year about trading up to get one of the premier QB's in this draft.

[Buffalo Boy]

7 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

It's a defense mechanism.  I'm always amazed at how fans can sugar coat an obvious setback.  Yes, the four teams that pick in the top five will probably all take quarterbacks and there's probably nothing we can do about it.  I was and am still depressed about the Jets moving up to the three spot after us talking for a year about trading up to get one of the premier QB's in this draft.

Buck up Lil’ Camper!!  All is not lost.

[26CornerBlitz]

29 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Just to add to the story regarding McC's 4 game "career."  Against Denver he passed for 200 yards while the Bronco's average passing yards allowed per game was 199.6.  Against Pittsburgh he passed for 280 yards while the Steelers average passing yards allowed per game was 271.9 .  Not Brady-esque but nothing to hold his head in shame over as the average allowed yards were compiled against AFC starters such as Rivers, Brady, Flacco, Smith, etc.  Further in loss to Denver McCarron's Bengals defensive team mates allowed 390 total yards which many would think was a bigger factor in a loss than McC.  Likewise, the Bengals allowing 354 yards to the Steelers would hardly be considered stingy.  Cincy had 2 wins in their other two games against SF and Balt..  A better outing by the Bengals D might have meant the Bengals going 4-0 in that stretch.  Just thought you might want to know. 

 

With the CIN receiving corps of 2015, he should have had decent stats.  Looking back the DEN game was competitive with the game going to OT.  Against PIT they were out of the game after McCarron threw a pick six to put them down 23-7. They were down 33-13 at one point with AJ picking up some GTP. 

[Manther]

1 hour ago, Buffalo Boy said:

Meh

Meh - Dak Prescott - all said and done....I think Dak Prescott is a top15-20 QB in the NFL.  Agreed, meh!

[BananaB]

34 minutes ago, greeneblitz said:

Oh great, could've seen this coming a mile away, Bills fans enamored with the mediocre QB hoping he will be the next Tom Brady.

 

Hes about to get a big opportunity with us,  what  he does with it is up to him. A franchise QB is found on the field not where they are drafted. Nobody is guaranteed. AJ is new to the team and their are some positives about his game that has people excited about. He had a lot of good qualities coming out of college where a lot of scouts said in time he could be a good starting QB. This could be his time.  Dalton is the Bengals franchise guy, backups don’t get many opportunities when teams have a guy they can count on. 

Edited March 19, 2018 by BananaB

[RochesterRob]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

With the CIN receiving corps of 2015, he should have had decent stats.  Looking back the DEN game was competitive with the game going to OT.  Against PIT they were out of the game after McCarron threw a pick six to put them down 23-7. They were down 33-13 at one point with AJ picking up some GTP. 

  The Bengals giving up 390 yards to the Broncos is a competitive game?  Picks and on  occasion pick 6's are going to happen.  Pittsburgh was 10-6 and without digging through a ton of information I would say that it would fair to expect the Bengals D to help out there, also.  I am not saying you expect McC to be Brady but I think putting at least one of the Bengals losses on their D is fair.  If that was changed going 3-1 in a four game stretch would be respectable for most QB's.  Even Kelly had sub 300 yard games and untimely turnovers.  Speaking of the Bengals Kelly had a rather ugly 1st quarter on Monday night against them.  I don't expect McC to put many games on his shoulders and with a stout D and potent running game he should not have to.  

[clearwater cadet]

I'm not sure what, but something about this signing I like.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, RochesterRob said:

  The Bengals giving up 390 yards to the Broncos is a competitive game?  Picks and on  occasion pick 6's are going to happen.  Pittsburgh was 10-6 and without digging through a ton of information I would say that it would fair to expect the Bengals D to help out there, also.  I am not saying you expect McC to be Brady but I think putting at least one of the Bengals losses on their D is fair.  If that was changed going 3-1 in a four game stretch would be respectable for most QB's.  Even Kelly had sub 300 yard games and untimely turnovers.  Speaking of the Bengals Kelly had a rather ugly 1st quarter on Monday night against them.  I don't expect McC to put many games on his shoulders and with a stout D and potent running game he should not have to.  

 

Forget Brady, Kelly, or anyone else.  What are your expectations for McCarron?  

[Batman1876]

When was the last time a late round pick spent 4 years as a backup and then became the solution to a team’s QB problem. I can’t think of one. Matt Schaub in Houston is the best I can think of. 

Edited March 19, 2018 by Batman1876

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Batman1876 said:

When was the last time a late round pick spent 4 years as a backup and then became the solution to a team’s QB problem. I can’t think of one. Matt Schaub in Houston is the best I can think of. 

 

If he was anything to get really excited about, he should have been able to mount a more serious challenge to Andy Dalton as the Bengals' starter. 

[Sky Diver]

8 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Forget Brady, Kelly, or anyone else.  What are your expectations for McCarron?  

 

He’s a pocket passer who played under center in a pro style offense in college and competed at the highest level. In his limited opportunities in the NFL he has played well. 

 

My expectations are high. I don’t see why he can’t be successful if he has some talent around him. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, Sky Diver said:

 

He’s a pocket passer who played under center in a pro style offense in college and competed at the highest level. In his limited opportunities in the NFL he has played well. 

 

My expectations are high. I don’t see why he can’t be successful if he has some talent around him. 

 

Again.  We've already seen that and he played just okay. 

[Mat68]

I dont think he is that good.  If im Buffalo im leaving the draft with a Qb.  Im taking 1 in the first.  I have the picks to pay premium price.  Where are the qbs likley drafted?  1,3,and 5 i would assume are Qbs.  Who is my top qb.  If he does not go 1 I can move to 2.  Probably 12,22, 56, 65 and 2019 1st.  Is 4 available?  What is that price?  Would you risk your #1 going in division?

 

Who is my second Qb.  How much less in the evaluation process is he from 1?  Where does he go?  1,3,5 qbs.  Is my number 2 making it through?  Possible?  Likley? Ok the third guy how big of a gap from him to 1?  Whats the odds my 3 top qbs go 1,3,5?  

 

This year is unique.  There are 5 guys not rated as first round talents.  All very different in styles.  I could see stark contrasts to different evaluators rankings in the league.  The cost of moving up significantly goes down after denver.  I think Buffalo can move up and retain 22.  Two qbs will be there?  It will take brass cajones to make that call but the cost will be much less.  Is it darnold rosen mayfield?  Allen and Jackon are still avaible.  You see where im going.  A number of combinations can play out.  I think Buffalo plays it like FA.  Dont pay an arm and a leg.  Moves up gets the 3rd or 4th qb off the board and only gives up 56 and next year 3rd to do it.

 

[BananaB]

3 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

If he was anything to get really excited about, he should have been able to mount a more serious challenge to Andy Dalton as the Bengals' starter. 

 

When teams have a starting QB in place they are happy with  the guy behind really doesn’t get many opportunities does he? 

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Again.  We've already seen that and he played just okay. 

 

Do you just expect guys to step on the field for the first time and be a finished product? 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, BananaB said:

When teams have a starting QB in place they are happy with  the guy behind really doesn’t get many opportunities does he? 

 

It's not as if Dalton has been great.

[BananaB]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

It's not as if Dalton has been great.

 

Led his team to 5 playoffs appearances. Might not of been great but he’s been a pretty consistent player in this league for years. Marvin Lewis likes him and he trusts him. 

Edited March 19, 2018 by BananaB

[Sky Diver]

4 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Again.  We've already seen that and he played just okay. 

 

So I guess you have made up your mind that he will be a flop. What else is there to say? Clearly the Bills think differently or else they wouldn’t have signed him.

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Led his team to 5 playoffs appearances. Might not of been great but he’s been a pretty consistent players in this league for years. Marvin Lewis likes him and he trusts him

 

Doesn't matter. If McCarron was a better QB he would have mounted a significant challenge with a chance to supplant Dalton who has been very much up and down in hi Bengals' career. 

 

3 minutes ago, Sky Diver said:

So I guess you have made up your mind that he will be a flop. What else is there to say? Clearly the Bills think differently or else they wouldn’t have signed him.

 

I said I think he'll be okay as a starter. Not a flop.  The contract he signed says what they think of him after no other team wanted him as starter.  You're not exactly unbiased given your Tide rooting interest. 

Edited March 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[BananaB]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Doesn't matter. If McCarron was a better QB he would have mounted a significant challenge with a chance to supplant Dalton who has been very much up and down in hi Bengals' career. 

 

It does matter. The HC is happy with his play. 5 playoff appearances in his 7 years in the league. Lewis isn’t gonna just have an open competition at QB when he has a guy he trusts. It’s !@#$ing stupid to even think that.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, BananaB said:

 

It does matter. The HC is happy with his play. 5 playoff appearances in his 7 years in the league. Lewis isn’t gonna just have an open competition at QB when he has a guy he trusts. It’s !@#$ing stupid to even think that.

 

 It's stupid to not play a better player at any position including QB. 

Edited March 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[Roundybout]

Just now, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 It's stupid to not play a better player at any position including QB. 

 

Marvin Lewis isn't the brightest bulb on the coaching tree and they gave Dalton a boatload of cash not too long ago. Why would they want to jeopardize that? 

[Sky Diver]

6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Doesn't matter. If McCarron was a better QB he would have mounted a significant challenge with a chance to supplant Dalton who has been very much up and down in hi Bengals' career. 

 

 

I said I think he'll be okay as a starter. Not a flop.  The contract he signed says what they think of him after no other team wanted him as starter.  You're not exactly unbiased given your Tide rooting interest. 

 

I guess we’ll find out. If you want to root against him, be my guest. Beane and company have proved to be pretty good judges of talent so far.

[Batman1876]

Maybe we will strike gold, I hope we do maybe he will spend the next 15 years making pro bowls and winning rings. But odds are he’s another Firz or Tyrod or any number of backups who got a chance in free agency and were just ok. 

[26CornerBlitz]

2 minutes ago, BillsEnthusiast said:

 

Marvin Lewis isn't the brightest bulb on the coaching tree and they gave Dalton a boatload of cash not too long ago. Why would they want to jeopardize that? 

 

If what he's saying was the case, Alex Smith would still be in KC. 

 

1 minute ago, Sky Diver said:

 

I guess we’ll find out. If you want to root against him, be my guest. Beane and company have proved to be pretty good judges of talent so far.

 

Having reasonable expectations is not rooting against him.  

Edited March 19, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[BananaB]

2 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

 It's stupid to not play a better player at any position including QB. 

 

Starting QBs are not gonna get sat when they lead their team to the playoffs year in year out.  The backup gets limited reps, he may look good but he’s just not gonna get that shot unless the starter is playing flat out terrible.

 

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, BananaB said:

 

Starting QBs are not gonna get sat when they lead their team to the playoffs year in year out.  The backup gets limited reps, he may look good but he’s just not gonna get that shot unless the starter is playing flat out terrible.

 

 

Alex Smith agrees with you, but Andy Reid doesn't. 

 

Thus Mr. Smith went to Washington. 

[BananaB]

5 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

If what he's saying was the case, Alex Smith would still be in KC. 

 

 

Having reasonable expectations is not rooting against him.  

 

The Chiefs situation with Alex Smith and Mahomes is totally different.  They fell in love with Mahommes and the writing was on the wall for Smith the minute he was drafted. 

 

The Bengals on the other hand had their guy in place and drafted AJ in the 5th round. 

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, BananaB said:

 

The Chiefs situation with Alex Smith and Mahomes is totally different.  They fell in love with Mahommes and the writing was on the wall for Smith the minute he was drafted. 

 

The Bengals on the other hand had their guy in place and drafted AJ in the 5th round. 

 

Where a player is drafted doesn't matter. If AJ developed into a better QB, then he would have supplanted Dalton.

[Mango]

If you break down the cost as positional rather than the player, we can do both. 

 

Trading up and grabbing a guy for our firsts and some other picks, and McCarron working out to be a stud is just fine with me. At the end of the day it’s the cost of our starting QB, no matter who it is. 

[BananaB]

6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Where a player is drafted doesn't matter. If AJ developed into a better QB, then he would have supplanted Dalton.

 

6 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Where a player is drafted doesn't matter. If AJ developed into a better QB, then he would have supplanted Dalton.

 

Had Burflct not !@#$ed up the playoff game, maybe things would of went different in Cinci for AJ.... Fact is, Lewis is happy with Dalton and AJs limited reps weren’t gonna change that.

 

We’re about to see more of AJ, so we’ll know soon how good he really is. I’m not writing him off because he couldn’t outseat another teams franchise QB

Edited March 19, 2018 by BananaB

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, BananaB said:

Had Burflct not !@#$ed up the playoff game, maybe things would of went different in Cinci for AJ.... Fact is, Lewis is happy with Dalton and AJs limited reps weren’t gonna change that.

 

Say whatever you want. A better QB in CIN gets Dalton traded just as other starters have been.