Pete Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 We all know we need pass rushers. My guess is Vander Esch is one of the combine standouts and moves up draft boards. At 6'4 250 and lightning speed, he can rush the passer or cover gronk. The new trend is basketball players converting to LB. Between him and Milano, they can cover great. I found this blurb interesting- https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-this-class-will-provide-wave-of-the-future-at-the-linebacker-position/ The source added, "Imagine LeBron James playing defense. At linebacker he'd cover so much ground so quickly. That's the thought with these bigger freak athletes at linebacker. Most importantly, the league's been looking for someone to cover the Rob Gronkowski-type tight ends. For a long time, the NFL's tried bigger safeties, but these new linebackers are really big and really athletic." Edmunds and Vander Esch are expected to have vertical leaps in the upper 30-inch range at 6-4 and 250-plus pounds. A source told me to not be surprised if Vander Esch's three-cone time approached the highly coveted 7.00 second mark. For perspective, 6-0, 223-pound Matt Milano had the highest vertical (35 inches) among linebackers at the 2017 combine, and only five off-ball linebackers had three-cones faster than 7.00 seconds. Their height comes with length, which helps Edmunds and Vander Esch get to the football a split-second faster ... and is a luxury in coverage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Title is vague but thanks for your input. I'll keep an eye on this guy during the combine Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Vander Esch... the name sounds pretty high-motor lunch pail to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reed83HOF Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, Rico said: Vander Esch... the name sounds pretty high-motor lunch pail to me. So like this: or this: 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Pete said: We all know we need pass rushers. My guess is Vander Esch is one of the combine standouts and moves up draft boards. At 6'4 250 and lightning speed, he can rush the passer or cover gronk. The new trend is basketball players converting to LB. Between him and Milano, they can cover great. I found this blurb interesting- https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-this-class-will-provide-wave-of-the-future-at-the-linebacker-position/ The source added, "Imagine LeBron James playing defense. At linebacker he'd cover so much ground so quickly. That's the thought with these bigger freak athletes at linebacker. Most importantly, the league's been looking for someone to cover the Rob Gronkowski-type tight ends. For a long time, the NFL's tried bigger safeties, but these new linebackers are really big and really athletic." Edmunds and Vander Esch are expected to have vertical leaps in the upper 30-inch range at 6-4 and 250-plus pounds. A source told me to not be surprised if Vander Esch's three-cone time approached the highly coveted 7.00 second mark. For perspective, 6-0, 223-pound Matt Milano had the highest vertical (35 inches) among linebackers at the 2017 combine, and only five off-ball linebackers had three-cones faster than 7.00 seconds. Their height comes with length, which helps Edmunds and Vander Esch get to the football a split-second faster ... and is a luxury in coverage. Agreed. He’s really the perfect fit for us. Would be happy with him at 21-22 or in a trade down. I can’t imagine him being available with our 2nd rd pick. T Edwards and R Smith are better imo, but can’t see either being available when we pick Edited February 23, 2018 by NewEra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCOrange Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 And he's currently projected to be taken right around the Bills current range. Between Roquon, Edmunds, Evans, and Vander Esch, if the Bills hang onto one of their late 1st round picks, they should be able to get a great linebacker prospect which this team desperately needs. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 11 minutes ago, Pete said: "Imagine LeBron James playing defense. Sorry, I couldn't. So I stopped. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rico Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 5 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said: So like this: or this: No, like this. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 23, 2018 Author Share Posted February 23, 2018 obliqatory highlight reel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jamie Muellers Ghost Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 Yep, might not be us, but someone will fall in love with him after the combine. He already is a riser pre combine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 There is also a thread about him in the cfb subforum Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I'm not interested in any other position than QB. Get a damn QB. It's been too long. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whatdrought Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 So do you see him as a MLB, or more of a SLB? I assume that Milano will primarily be a WLB, right? I bet McD is Chomping at the bit for a Kuchley-esq player in the middle. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 2 minutes ago, McBean said: I'm not interested in any other position than QB. Get a damn QB. It's been too long. They have a lot of draft picks ... 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ittakestime Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 I said this in the thread in the draft part of the forum, but it would go against the senior/injury free type of player McDermott loves. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 (edited) I don't doubt Pete's opinion on Esch in the OT. However, and I know this may be an unpopular position, but in the last couple of years I have honestly cooled on the whole idea of it being of utmost importance to have tremendous pass rushers. Don't get me wrong, I know they are "important"...but utmost? IMO, not necessarily during a time in the NFL when it appears that all QBs seem to be quickly getting rid of the ball, rushed or not. Additionally, they are usually very expensive after awhile. Maybe I've been spoiled lately in Buffalo/McBeantown, but give me a three down LB, a good CB (or rather a very stable dback group of 4) and a a man-eating DT before a pass-rushing DE. Edited February 23, 2018 by dollars 2 donuts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted February 23, 2018 Share Posted February 23, 2018 This guy would be a FREAK! I can not wait for this draft.....sooooooo many possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herb62 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 What was the guys name from Buffalo Philly took in the first round about ten years ago? Great workout guy couldn't play a lick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Posted February 24, 2018 Author Share Posted February 24, 2018 8 hours ago, Herb62 said: What was the guys name from Buffalo Philly took in the first round about ten years ago? Great workout guy couldn't play a lick. Mike Mamula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 14 hours ago, Pete said: We all know we need pass rushers. My guess is Vander Esch is one of the combine standouts and moves up draft boards. At 6'4 250 and lightning speed, he can rush the passer or cover gronk. The new trend is basketball players converting to LB. Between him and Milano, they can cover great. I found this blurb interesting- https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/news/2018-nfl-draft-this-class-will-provide-wave-of-the-future-at-the-linebacker-position/ The source added, "Imagine LeBron James playing defense. At linebacker he'd cover so much ground so quickly. That's the thought with these bigger freak athletes at linebacker. Most importantly, the league's been looking for someone to cover the Rob Gronkowski-type tight ends. For a long time, the NFL's tried bigger safeties, but these new linebackers are really big and really athletic." Edmunds and Vander Esch are expected to have vertical leaps in the upper 30-inch range at 6-4 and 250-plus pounds. A source told me to not be surprised if Vander Esch's three-cone time approached the highly coveted 7.00 second mark. For perspective, 6-0, 223-pound Matt Milano had the highest vertical (35 inches) among linebackers at the 2017 combine, and only five off-ball linebackers had three-cones faster than 7.00 seconds. Their height comes with length, which helps Edmunds and Vander Esch get to the football a split-second faster ... and is a luxury in coverage. Big fan of Esch, hope we get him, never heard of Edmunds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KW95 - JA17 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 "What's that? Did someone say Playoffs? Playoffs? I only hope we get a damn QB to win another game" Changed Mora's quote a little but you get the jist! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I think the basketball connection is a stretch. He played in high school, not college right? I would guess most college football players over 6'1" played high school basketball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmy10 Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 22 hours ago, Rico said: Vander Esch... the name sounds pretty high-motor lunch pail to me. Sounds more like a blue-collar gym rat to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIZ Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 Vander Esch and Harrison Phillips would be cool, but we need a QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 On 2/23/2018 at 3:23 PM, DCOrange said: And he's currently projected to be taken right around the Bills current range. Between Roquon, Edmunds, Evans, and Vander Esch, if the Bills hang onto one of their late 1st round picks, they should be able to get a great linebacker prospect which this team desperately needs. Im starting to think that might be the plan, even if we trade up. Beane would be an offseason hero if he pulled off trading up for Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold, and still kept one of our 1sts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 On 2/23/2018 at 12:42 PM, McBean said: I'm not interested in any other position than QB. Get a damn QB. It's been too long. That should totally fix everything....lets just trade all our picks in this draft and next 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted February 24, 2018 Share Posted February 24, 2018 I'm done trying to guess. If we had a top 5 pick, I'd take a shot at it, but there are soooo many possibilities and Beane doesn't even know how this will play out yet. I do know this, though. There will be thousands of mock drafts before draft weekend and 99.9% of them will be way off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted February 25, 2018 Share Posted February 25, 2018 On February 23, 2018 at 3:26 PM, Rico said: No, like this. What's with that look on his face? Seems like he's staring and some guy's ass and getting excited. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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