Steve Tasker's Outside-The-Box Idea To Solve The Bills QB Situation

[stony]

9 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

That's a low bar to clear and doesn't mean much to me.  Tom McCarthy and Tasker are the G team.  Even worse. 

 

Here is the complete least of announcer pairings:

 

1. Jim Nantz, Tony Romo and Tracy Wolfson
2. Ian Eagle, Dan Fouts and Evan Washburn 
3. Greg Gumbel, Trent Green and Jamie Erdahl 
4. Kevin Harlan and Rich Gannon 
5. Andrew Catalon and James Lofton 
6. Spero Dedes and Adam Archuleta 
7. Tom McCarthy and Steve Tasker and Steve Beuerlein 
8. Beth Mowins and Jay Feely

 

 

With the exception of Harlan, there's really no difference from #3 to #8.  

 

Also, god bless Ian Eagle for having to carry Fouts and Washburn every season.   

 

[CommonCents]

Tasker has been around OBD for too long. Skip the one foot in one foot out approach and go at it like you know what your doing.

[SoTier]

If the Bills signed McKown for $10 million, they would be paying $18.6 million in cap space for a starting QB not nearly as good as Taylor.   That sounds like a plan because we all know that it's not possible for Taylor to play better in a new offense after one bad season in a lousy situation while McKown is surely going to be better than Taylor based on putting up numbers not all that dissimilar to Taylor's 2017 numbers.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, SoTier said:

If the Bills signed McKown for $10 million, they would be paying $18.6 million in cap space for a starting QB not nearly as good as Taylor.   That sounds like a plan because we all know that it's not possible for Taylor to play better in a new offense after one bad season in a lousy situation while McKown is surely going to be better than Taylor based on putting up numbers not all that dissimilar to Taylor's 2017 numbers.

 

If you're going to misspell his name make it McClown. 

[Tatonka68]

The Bills would be better off signing EJ Manuel back. LOL

[nucci]

10 hours ago, BuffaloRush said:

Disagree with your thoughts on Tasker.  As far as his work on CBS - he's average.  Certainly not one of the best but he does ok.   I used to think he purposefully tried to make it look like he was impartial by talking up whatever team the Bills were playing.

 

On the John Murphy show - he is hands down better than Donald Jones.  He makes the show sound more professional.  His insight is good too - I think you are underestiming #89 here.

 

As far as his idea - you can easily make an argument for or against it.  I give him credit for approaching the situation differently than others

He is terrible as an analyst

[CLTbills]

10 hours ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

I really like Romo - but Collinsworth is absolutely brutal for me.  He's one of the worst IMO.  It was on full display at the Super Bowl - I loved how he was beside himself that Pederson took chances on 4th down.  

Hell I'd take Tasker over Collinsworth any day of the week. I watched the Super Bowl mostly on mute. He is god awful.

[26CornerBlitz]

4 minutes ago, CLTbills said:

Hell I'd take Tasker over Collinsworth any day of the week. I watched the Super Bowl mostly on mute. He is god awful.

 

Cris Collinsworth was pretty brutal throughout Super Bowl LII

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

I don’t love Steve Tasker as a commentator and I don’t hate Donald Jones. Guess that’s an odd view. 

[CLTbills]

12 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Cris Collinsworth was pretty brutal throughout Super Bowl LII

 

While I'll admit Tasker is average, I do enjoy his appearances on the John Murphy Show. Definitely has a different insight, even if I don't necessarily agree with it. It's not just the same old talking points. 

 

I don't think he's near as bad as you make him out to be. There are plenty out there that are MUCH worse.

 

Maybe it's because I like him as a person and I'm a bit biased... but I've never had that "Oh my GOD will you just SHUT UP!!!" moment like I have with so many of the other "analysts".

[26CornerBlitz]

3 minutes ago, CLTbills said:

 

While I'll admit Tasker is average, I do enjoy his appearances on the John Murphy Show. Definitely has a different insight, even if I don't necessarily agree with it. It's not just the same old talking points. 

 

I don't think he's near as bad as you make him out to be. There are plenty out there that are MUCH worse.

 

Maybe it's because I like him as a person and I'm a bit biased... but I've never had that "Oh my GOD will you just SHUT UP!!!" moment like I have with so many of the other "analysts".

 

It's all a matter of personal preference, so I'm not going to argue the point.

[Wo-Bah]

Did I read that correctly??  Pay McCown 10 million per year?  Who, on God's green Earth, even would remotely think about that?!  Sorry, but in my opinion, that's terrible.

 

BTW, Tasker is brutal to listen to, for my 2 cents.

[BBills88]

I agree that I would like to see more Peterman. Before his concussion in the Snow game he was playing pretty good. I don't why that is being dismissed.

[Overdue Bill]

11 hours ago, BuffaloRush said:

 

What constitutes a "good prospect?"  Are you talking trading up for one of the big 4 or 5?  Or taking a second-tier QB in rounds 2 and 3?

I think taking a second-tier QB in the 2nd or 3rd rounds would be a better value. I hope we don't trade away our 2 1st rounds picks for a QB. The position is such a crap shoot that we would be better served shoring up the O-Line and the defensive backfield in the first round.

[Reed83HOF]

8 hours ago, Buffalo Barbarian said:

I think McCown would be an a good bridge and a better fit for this offense.I

 

 

I wanted us to sign him last offseason and get rid of Tyrod then; I still do...

[26CornerBlitz]

49 minutes ago, BBills88 said:

I agree that I would like to see more Peterman. Before his concussion in the Snow game he was playing pretty good. I don't why that is being dismissed.

 

He was 5-10 for 57 yards in the snow against a terrible pass defense full of backups.  That really impressed you?

[SoTier]

39 minutes ago, Overdue Bill said:

I think taking a second-tier QB in the 2nd or 3rd rounds would be a better value. I hope we don't trade away our 2 1st rounds picks for a QB. The position is such a crap shoot that we would be better served shoring up the O-Line and the defensive backfield in the first round.

 

Well, expecting much more than a backup QB from a QB drafted in the 2nd or 3rd round is like putting your money down on the lottery IMO.  Between 2000 and 2014, the only mediocre or better starting QBs to come out of Rounds 2-3 of the draft are:

• 2000 - Drew Brees (2)
• 2002 - Josh McCown (3)
• 2004 - Matt Schaub (3)
• 2011 - Andy Dalton (2)
• 2012 - Russsell Wilson (3)
• 2012 - Nick Foles (3)
• 2013 - Mike Glennon (3)
• 2014 - Derek Carr (2)
• 2014 - Jimmy Garoppolo (2)

That's only 25% "success" with setting the bar low enough that McCown and Glennon make the cut (9/36).

If you raise the bar higher and remove those two the success percentage drops to less than 20% (7/36.

 

Unless the Bills sign Cousins, I wouldn't be good with taking a round 2 or 3 QB unless he was somebody who was considered a first rounder but who fell in the draft for some reason.  A better OL would never turn Chad Henne or Brock Osweiler into decent starting QBs.

 

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

12 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Tasker is on the CBS F team year after year for a reason.  He mostly babbles and makes obvious points while he talks in circles.  If that's your idea of professional, then have at it. 

 

 

That gets Aikman on the A team at Fox....

[BillsVet]

The Bills have kicked the can down the road for years on solving their QB issue. At the heart of it are decision makers who were afraid to be wrong and avoided the audacity necessary to find your long term guy.

 

I don't get that sense with McBeane. The HC traded down last year with presumably the foresight to know they needed more picks to be active this year. Moves this past off-season seemed to continue that thought process.

 

I don't see them taking someone in the 2nd or 3rd, pairing them with a veteran and Peterman. That's too cautious an approach for a team stuck in the mediocrity the franchise remained in these past 18 years.

 

The fastest way to getting better in the NFL is finding the QB. You can draft all the DTs, LBs, guards, and safeties you want. They won't exponentially improve the team from one year to the next in the current NFL. Sure, those positions need improving, but that can be addressed in UFA or in later rounds.

[billsredneck1]

9 hours ago, Buffahoper said:

Nathan Peterman represents some of the worst NFL production in recent history, he is Jeff Tuel level, not even Levi Brown level.  I shall bronze my hand and let it smack my forehead if he ever becomes more than a clipboard holder for the Buffalo Bills... McProcess needs a total purge, or less dramatic, mostly wholly new bodies.  I love Tyrod.  I think Tyrod is an athlete of the best kind, a la LeSean.. But that combo on the ground gets NFL defenses predicting right too often.  Buh-Bye.

 

  My thought is that this FO should get over finding Brady in the sixth round and just start getting fellas who work. Kirk works, the man does his job.Foles already has a scheme, work that shiz..  Sam works, but the man is made of paper, so is Teddy. Case is unknown, McCarron is unknown, and all the rest of these young guys are complete guesses, pick one (done). Maybe we pick Lamar at 21, or Mayfield... who gives a darn. Lets exchange Peterman with Tyler Bray.  The man is just as useless as an NFL QB, probably a ****-ty clipboard holder, but he can huck the rock. Get another useless guy that can bomb it downfield, and train him...

 

   The NFL is a bunch of stupid refs that call PI every chance they get, just keep doing that instead of going 3 and out.  Now I am a successful Head Coach, and I'm worth millions.  Goood Day Buffalonians! Your next QB is named Chad Kelly, and he is a gunslinger, a regular Joe, and a savior...... Hey .. listen to me, I'm an armchair GM.. And my vision is worth a hell of a lot more than Rex Ryan's, Doug Whaley's, and Buddy Nix combined. And yes, I believe that Baker could set records as Bills QB. Sit Pretty and draft your slots Buffalo... Now back to my whiskey.

it was obvious there was a substance involved. i'd love to have both mayfield and kelly in buffalo....but after a start like this you should probably back up, change your user name and start over.

[Shaw66]

12 hours ago, BuffaloRush said:

Disagree with your thoughts on Tasker.  As far as his work on CBS - he's average.  Certainly not one of the best but he does ok.   I used to think he purposefully tried to make it look like he was impartial by talking up whatever team the Bills were playing.

 

On the John Murphy show - he is hands down better than Donald Jones.  He makes the show sound more professional.  His insight is good too - I think you are underestiming #89 here.

 

As far as his idea - you can easily make an argument for or against it.  I give him credit for approaching the situation differently than others

I agree with this.   Steve's not a great announcer by any means, but I never thought Jones was very good at all, so he's an upgrade.   Not that I listen all that much.  

 

As for his idea, I think it's a perfectly good idea but simply isn't very important.   The answer to the Bills' QB question is NOT (1) a veteran backup, (2) a bridge QB or (3) a QB coach.   All Tasker has done is suggested that there's one guy out there who has the potential to fill all three roles.   That's fine, so far as it goes, but it isn't going to change the face or character of the team.   You could just as easily said that about hiring Jim Leonard as a backup safety a couple of years ago, suggesting he could teach youngsters and then maybe retire into a coaching role.   You could have said it, and someone probably did, about Frank Reich at the end of his career.  

 

Nothing wrong with the idea, but it it's a detail.  It isn't team-changing.  

[BuffaloBillyG]

1 hour ago, BBills88 said:

I agree that I would like to see more Peterman. Before his concussion in the Snow game he was playing pretty good. I don't why that is being dismissed.

He played well...in a blizzard where he wasn't asked to pass much. K.

 

So all it takes for Peterman to play good is an act of God. 

 

Honestly I'm not one to want to dismiss that he may be a player "someday". But to want to see more of him now is just insane. 

[billsredneck1]

1 hour ago, BBills88 said:

I agree that I would like to see more Peterman. Before his concussion in the Snow game he was playing pretty good. I don't why that is being dismissed.

that's what the whole mccown thing is /was about. he certainly has the accolades as to becoming a qb coach.

 

the point of having him is that we are gonna start a young qb whether it be nate or a rookie and be insurance as well as a coach.

 

i myself think peterman in his sophmore year can make the same kind of stride that goff and wentz made. the kid could actually be good and one thing is 100% for sure is that our passing game will greatly improve and we will score more points....and our draft pick will also benefit from his presence.

 

tasker's take is not stupid. they may just in fact be determined to hang on to their picks and take rudolph or maybe mike white.

who knows, maybe they will land baker, but i think they are intent on bolstering the roster first and foremost.

[SouthNYfan]

5 minutes ago, KelsaysLunchbox said:

He played well...in a blizzard where he wasn't asked to pass much. K.

 

So all it takes for Peterman to play good is an act of God. 

 

Honestly I'm not one to want to dismiss that he may be a player "someday". But to want to see more of him now is just insane. 

 

Eh.

If by seeing more of him now means preseason? Great go for it.

I think seeing more of him on preseason would be good.

 

I'm also not blind.

 

There is an abundance of QB options this year, some better than others.

 

In no way should we just cut Tyrod and hand the keys to Peterman.

 

Nope.

 

No.

 

So I'm with you kelsay, to think he's the answer is absurd, and handing Peterman the future right now is an even bigger risk than going full ditka for Josh Allen.

 

We don't agree on much, but this one we definitely are on board together.

 

Say no to Nate.

 

[Chuck Wagon]

If the plan is to go into the season with Peterman and a vet of McCown's caliber, I'm going to be very concerned with the decision making at OBD.  Drafting a player high doesn't mean Peterman needs to be immediately cut, but he's shown nothing to say more competition / a better young prospect is not a high priority.

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, billsredneck1 said:

that's what the whole mccown thing is /was about. he certainly has the accolades as to becoming a qb coach.

 

the point of having him is that we are gonna start a young qb whether it be nate or a rookie and be insurance as well as a coach.

 

i myself think peterman in his sophmore year can make the same kind of stride that goff and wentz made. the kid could actually be good and one thing is 100% for sure is that our passing game will greatly improve and we will score more points....and our draft pick will also benefit from his presence.

 

tasker's take is not stupid. they may just in fact be determined to hang on to their picks and take rudolph or maybe mike white.

who knows, maybe they will land baker, but i think they are intent on bolstering the roster first and foremost.

 

On what basis??

 

Wentz and Goff we're blue Chip prospects, Nate was a dumpster dive in the 5th, hoping somebody threw out a winning scratch off (they didn't)

 

What basis will our passing game be greatly improved with him??

 

(PS. I hate Tyrod. I was all for benching him for Nate. I was way wrong.)

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, billsredneck1 said:

that's what the whole mccown thing is /was about. he certainly has the accolades as to becoming a qb coach.

 

the point of having him is that we are gonna start a young qb whether it be nate or a rookie and be insurance as well as a coach.

 

i myself think peterman in his sophmore year can make the same kind of stride that goff and wentz made. the kid could actually be good and one thing is 100% for sure is that our passing game will greatly improve and we will score more points....and our draft pick will also benefit from his presence.

 

tasker's take is not stupid. they may just in fact be determined to hang on to their picks and take rudolph or maybe mike white.

who knows, maybe they will land baker, but i think they are intent on bolstering the roster first and foremost.

 

He just doesn't possess the physical talent of either Wentz or Goff.  If this were remotely close to being within the realm of possibility, Beane and the scouting staff would not have invested so much time on the road looking at QBs who will be in the 2018 draft when instead they'd be focused on building up the supporting cast in anticipation of Peterman developing just as both the Eagles and Rams did for the 2017 season.  You are in dream land. 

[Chuck Wagon]

9 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He just doesn't possess the physical talent of either Wentz or Goff.  If this were remotely close to being within the realm of possibility, Beane and the scouting staff would not have invested so much time on the road looking at QBs who will be in the 2018 draft when instead they'd be focused on building up the supporting cast in anticipation of Peterman developing just as both the Eagles and Rams did for the 2017 season.  You are in dream land. 

 

 

It's asinine to compare Peterman to those guys.

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, Chuck Wagon said:

It's asinine to compare Peterman to those guys.

 

Yet many here inexplicably continue to do it.  He doesn't belong in the conversation for comparison to them. 

[billsredneck1]

11 minutes ago, SouthNYfan said:

 

On what basis??

 

Wentz and Goff we're blue Chip prospects, Nate was a dumpster dive in the 5th, hoping somebody threw out a winning scratch off (they didn't)

 

What basis will our passing game be greatly improved with him??

 

(PS. I hate Tyrod. I was all for benching him for Nate. I was way wrong.)

i watch the last few minutes of the saints game and in my opinion i think it's possible that could be his type of play on a weekly basis. he couldn't have possibly been put in worse situations so i prefer to look at his quick decision making and release, his accuracy and ball placement. i think a lot of people will be surprised in camp and pre season.

 

 do i want foles, mccarron  mayfield...yes i do, but who knows what they are thinking.

Edited February 23, 2018 by billsredneck1

[DCOrange]

Who would pay McCown $10 million + bonuses with zero intention of him starting a game? That's crazy talk. You can sign a backup QB mentor far cheaper than that.

[26CornerBlitz]

9 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

i watch the last few minutes of the saints game and in my opinion i think it's possible that could be his type of play on a weekly basis. he couldn't have possibly been put in worse situations so i prefer to look at his quick decision making and release, his accuracy and ball placement. i think a lot of people will be surprised in camp and pre season.

 

 do i want foles, mccarron  mayfield...yes i do, but who knows what they are thinking.

 

Peterman comes in to play with the Bills down 47-3 against a backup defense and you're actually using his performance in that scenario as the basis for optimism while failing to mention the very next week against the Chargers.  Wow!  

Edited February 23, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz

[SouthNYfan]

1 minute ago, billsredneck1 said:

i watch the last few minutes of the saints game and in my opinion i think it's possible that could be his type of play on a weekly basis. he couldn't have possibly been put in worse situations so prefer to look at his quick decision making and release, his accuracy and ball placement. i think a lot of people will be surprised in camp and pre season.

 

 do i want foles, mccarron  mayfield...yes i do, but who knows what they are thinking.

 

 

Let's turn the keys over this season to a guy who had one good drive against the saints in garbage time against their third stringers when we were down by like 80points...

 

Oh wait we gave him the keys the next game, and he proceeded to have the WORST HALF OF QUARTERBACK PLAY IN NFL HISTORY.

 

 

I want Tyrod gone.

I was in favor of giving Nate a shot against the chargers.

That was a mistake.

 

Sure, he might turn things around, right?

I might get a date with Emmy Rossum if I ask nice enough too, right?

If I go down to the local Ram dealer they might give me a free 1500 rebel because I have a nice smile too, right?

 

I'm not giving up on him.

I'm saying that skipping on a QB in the draft, signing McCown, and praying that Nate turns into a miracle is just plain awful as a plan.

 

If we finish this off-season with Nate and Tyrod/McCown as our QBs, the front office should not only be fired, but banned from the NFL.

1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Peterman comes in to play with the Bills down 47-3 against a backup defense and you actually using his performance in that scenario as the basis for optimism while failing to mention the very next week against the Chargers.  Wow!  

 

I just said the same thing.

We agree 26!! 

Maybe miracles do happen!?

[bigK14094]

I watched  T Simien this season when he played the Bills......not wanting any of that in a Bills uniform.

[billsredneck1]

11 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

Peterman comes in to play with the Bills down 47-3 against a backup defense and you're actually using his performance in that scenario as the basis for optimism while failing to mention the very next week against the Chargers.  Wow!  

 

i knew this was coming. you guys are going to have to get used to the idea that tyrod will be gone and peterman will be here next season. i comment on what i see in possibilities with nathan.....kind of looking at what we have instead of making comments about the past.

[26CornerBlitz]

Just now, billsredneck1 said:

 

i knew this was coming. you guys are going to have to get used to the idea that tyrod will be gone and peterman will be here next season. i comment on what i see in possibilities with nathan.....kind of looking at what we have instead of making comments about the past.

 

This is immaterial to any analysis of Peterman.  You should stop trying to use this as a deflection.  Peterman has virtually shown nothing to make anyone optimistic about his future as the next starting QB of the Bills. 

[hemma]

Has McCown been mentoring Hackenberg?

 

I hate all this 'mentoring' crap that people pull out of their tail.

 

Spend some money & hire a frigging coach that can actually coach.

Don't hire a former player that is a supposed 'pied piper' but has no idea how to coach.

[JohnBonhamRocks]

I'd be fine with McCown as a high end QB2 or to compete with a rookie for the starting job. 

 

Rather have Fitzpatrick as a mentor/QB2 though. (Yes, I know, the curse, the curse. Whatever.)

[buffalobloodfloridahome]

Mccown is and always has been a journey man QB which means he has been behind some great QBs in the past. He has had some success in the past and has been in so long that I'm sure he could mentor a young QB on being pro and not just on the field play but preparation. Any rookie would love to have a guy sitting next to them helping and really investing in them instead of competing and trying to steal their job. 

[BBills88]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

He was 5-10 for 57 yards in the snow against a terrible pass defense full of backups.  That really impressed you?

It's not the stats that impress me. He was accurate that number could have easily 7/8 of 10 not for a few drops. I would like to see him get a fair shot at the QB position when earned.