YoloinOhio Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) This is a really interesting and insightful piece on Rosen from before his sophomore year at UCLA... Look Who's Talking: Shielded from media in 2015, UCLA QB Josh Rosen made waves on social media and is ready for close-up https://www.si.com/college-football/2016/08/08/ucla-qb-josh-rosen-bonafide-star-how-will-he-handle-fame Quote Rosen's own set of challenges? He wants to lead UCLA to a conference title and eventually become a Super Bowl–winning, All-Pro quarterback who can make enough money off the field to play for the league minimum so his team can spend its salary cap space on his teammates. After football, he wants to work in venture capital and model his post-football life after the business success of former Bruins quarterback Troy Aikman, who has owned multiple businesses and dabbles in real estate. He seems keenly self-aware....and genuine There is another good one is from earlier this year... Josh Rosen's No. 1 priority is battling narratives, and so far he's losing Josh Rosen has the tall task of changing opinions and battling the narrative that he’s selfish and entitled. https://www.sbnation.com/2018/1/4/16826100/2018-nfl-draft-josh-rosen-browns-giants-ucla-bruins He doesn’t speak in tired sports clichés like most NFL quarterbacks, but it’s hard to imagine 32 teams finding him toxic. Even after listening to him talk for more than a minute, it’s difficult to see how even one team could think so. Edited February 21, 2018 by YoloinOhio 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said: This is a really interesting and insightful piece on Rosen from before his sophomore year at UCLA https://www.si.com/college-football/2016/08/08/ucla-qb-josh-rosen-bonafide-star-how-will-he-handle-fame he seems keenly self-aware....and genuine He would do better to emulate the business success of a different former Dallas QB. Staubach is an actual business mogul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Lamb Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Josh Rosen = Rob Johnson 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 He's a smart kid. I absolutely do not buy in to the narrative that smart kids should shut their mouths just in case they say something controversial. The world has enough dumb people. 9 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bisonbreath123 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 The 2 concussions in such a short time frame concern me. Concussions have a cumulative effect over a long period of time and who knows if Rosen had other previous related incidents in college or HS ? He may already be damaged goods. Or not. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Bob Lamb said: Josh Rosen = Rob Johnson And how is that exactly? You mean personality wise? Talent wise? 2 guys that have never been in your kitchen wise? Do tell. 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JinxedBill1 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Kids got it together. I want a kid with goals like this and the smarts to make it happen. This country's too soft. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Sign me up. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 I find this quote interesting as well: "I'm not a fan of, like, powerhouses," he says. "I like messing up the system. I'm all about equality and kind of bringing some phoenixes from the fire." With that information in mind, Buffalo is the *perfect* spot for you....if it happens, you'll be dragging this franchise and its fans everywhere out of the fired ruins of despair. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I_want_2_BILL_Lieve Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 12 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: I find this quote interesting as well: "I'm not a fan of, like, powerhouses," he says. "I like messing up the system. I'm all about equality and kind of bringing some phoenixes from the fire." With that information in mind, Buffalo is the *perfect* spot for you....if it happens, you'll be dragging this franchise and its fans everywhere out of the fired ruins of despair. Was about to post the same quote. If you want to 'mess' with the NFL traditionalism - where Buffalo is a afterthought, despite its passionate fan base, then come on in. Our passion is so hot we light fires to tables and then put the fire out with our bodies -- phoenix like! 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 18 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: I find this quote interesting as well: "I'm not a fan of, like, powerhouses," he says. "I like messing up the system. I'm all about equality and kind of bringing some phoenixes from the fire." With that information in mind, Buffalo is the *perfect* spot for you....if it happens, you'll be dragging this franchise and its fans everywhere out of the fired ruins of despair. And you're in a division with THE powerhouse, so you get the most opportunity to tear them down. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pbomb Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 3 hours ago, Bob Lamb said: Josh Rosen = Rob Johnson Cool Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xRUSHx Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) He is my top pick for sure but he will be long gone before our move up IMO. Edited February 21, 2018 by xRUSHx Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Two AFC “executives”: Rosen: “He’s the one I know the best—he’s got size, athletic tools, velocity. He’s just a mess off the field and he’s coming off the injury. He needs to grow up, but the talent is off the charts.” “The kid from USC has a chance; Rosen has a ton of ability but tons of issues, like dedication to work...” who knows, but where there is smoke.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stony Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, bobobonators said: Two AFC “executives”: Rosen: “He’s the one I know the best—he’s got size, athletic tools, velocity. He’s just a mess off the field and he’s coming off the injury. He needs to grow up, but the talent is off the charts.” “The kid from USC has a chance; Rosen has a ton of ability but tons of issues, like dedication to work...” who knows, but where there is smoke.. There's smokescreens? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: This is a really interesting and insightful piece on Rosen from before his sophomore year at UCLA... https://www.si.com/college-football/2016/08/08/ucla-qb-josh-rosen-bonafide-star-how-will-he-handle-fame https://www.sbnation.com/2018/1/4/16826100/2018-nfl-draft-josh-rosen-browns-giants-ucla-bruins Good finds, YOLO. Part of this stuff just makes me laugh. Rearranging lawn ornaments in sexually suggestive positions? Buying an inflatable hot-tub online and filling it with a beer hose? He's just a college kid. He's just a pranking college kid, doing non-destructive things in a way he thinks is funny. I think it's to his credit that he hasn't submitted himself to being "polished and packaged" with someone following him around vetting everything he does and keeping a squeaky clean image for him on social media as so many QB from well-to-do families have done (*cough* Gabbert). Behind the scenes, I think Peyton Manning likely did stuff that was much nastier, and got away with it, in the days before social media. Most positive (to me) quote from the SI article: " Rosen's tennis career did have an enduring impact. The 3.5 seconds a quarterback typically gets to throw feels like an eternity compared to reaction times in tennis. On the court he learned to trust his eyes and not overthink things. In football he exhibits a nonchalance after interceptions or negative plays—which has drawn criticism because some have taken it for indifference—but in tennis he knew he could lose dozens of points yet still win the match. Mistakes are part of the game. " Sounds like he could have a very mature attitude about shaking off a mistake and moving on, not getting too down Most worrisome quote from the SI article: "He also admits he's not the most beloved guy on the UCLA sorority scene. "I have a superiority complex I need to get rid of," he says. "Girls that I am really good homies with tell me about how often they have to defend my image to girls that don't know me." Fundamentally, if a young guy can't present himself in a charismatic/appealing way when nookie is on the line, how is he gonna handle himself when he has to get grown men from all different backgrounds to buy in and follow him? He's got an obvious learning curve ahead of him there. He wouldn't be the first talented NFL QB who needed to overcome that - reportedly young Roethlisberger was an ass, and had to learn people skills. It's a positive that he identifies some girls as "really good homies" who (by inference) tell him to "f*ck off" from time to time. He's not beyond hope. It's a background he has to overcome - color me surprised that the child of a prominent orthopedic surgeon might have picked up an egocentric manner of dealing with others (remember the joke about how surgeons change lightbulbs?) Most worrisome physical aspect: that he left tennis after a right shoulder injury at age 12. So evidently his shoulder has been a recurring problem and will need careful management. Edited February 21, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: "I have a superiority complex I need to get rid of," he says. My advice to him is don't. I want my Quarterback to have that. I want when I am down by 5 with 1:30 left on the clock and no time outs a guy who walks on the field thinking "of course I am going to lead us down to score. I am the most talented player on this field." Tom Brady was a 6th round pick and told Robert Kraft in is first rookie camp that he was the best pick the Patriots organisation had ever made. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 At this point, more than ANYTHING else, it's the medicals that worry me about Rosen. I found the articles to be enlightening about his character and I'm not even remotely concerned about his ability to transition to the NFL in terms of maturity, because his "issues" have all been age appropriate, meaning he can mature beyond the point where a fart noise in church is funny (which these kinds of things are akin to). IF the Bills are truly gauging the landscape to trade up, he should be in for a Pre Draft visit with a 9 hour medical review to insure everything is what it needs to be and NOT have any unforeseen medical set backs (i.e. Shaq Lawson). 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsredneck1 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 hope the giants take him. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeF Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Just my take, but as we all have read, Josh is part of a wealthy family. Both parents accomplished ice dancers. Mom was captain of the lacrosse team at Princeton. Dad a spine surgeon, mom a former magazine editor. Living in Southern California. Mom and dad divorced when he was 15. When he was 10 he was the top-ranked tennis player in his age bracket in Southern CA. I think it's been instilled in him to speak his mind and like most 21 year-olds, sometimes he speaks it as if the world's sum total of all knowledge has somehow entered his cranium. Some may say this is a sign of entitlement and likely some of that seems very true. I also see a little more with this young man. I see a fire to play football and to disrupt. He could have gone to a more decorated college football program (Followed his Bosco Prep alums- Palmer, Sanchez, and Leinhart to USC), but he chose UCLA. He seems to be the kid that will protect his teammates and take on any heat that is coming from the media and others toward his team. Kids born of privilege don't necessarily make bad NFL QBs (Mannings, Palmer, several others), it's the intellect and competitive fire that makes the difference and I see more Manning in this kid than Rob Johnson. Just my take. BTW--I met, and have gotten to know well, a person who knows the Darnold's pretty well. I have a very high opinion of Sam just from what I have learned about him. More upper-middle-class family, very grounded, hard worker, very smart. From a personality and leadership perspective, I think either one of these young men are good ones to build a football team around. There may be some early pain with both, but I think these are both gems. I think they both fit the McBeane model. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: My advice to him is don't. I want my Quarterback to have that. I want when I am down by 5 with 1:30 left on the clock and no time outs a guy who walks on the field thinking "of course I am going to lead us down to score. I am the most talented player on this field." Tom Brady was a 6th round pick and told Robert Kraft in is first rookie camp that he was the best pick the Patriots organisation had ever made. I think you and Rosen (in that context) may attach different meanings to the term "superiority complex" You want your QB to have great confidence, including confidence in himself and his football skills and ability to excel. You don't want him to have a "superiority complex", which in the context of "sorority scene" means "inability to relate to people". He's got to be able to relate to people and inspire them, including the people who have to run down the field and catch the ball while being sandwiched by fast-moving missiles masquerading as members of the opposing team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: I think you and Rosen (in that context) may attach different meanings to the term "superiority complex" You want your QB to have great confidence, including confidence in himself and his football skills and ability to excel. You don't want him to have a "superiority complex", which in the context of "sorority scene" means "inability to relate to people". He's got to be able to relate to people and inspire them, including the people who have to run down the field and catch the ball while being sandwiched by fast-moving missiles masquerading as members of the opposing team I'm not so sure. But then I am told I have an air of superiority about me as well quite often. I make no bones about being an arrogant pain in the neck at times. So I really don't see that personality trait as being so damning. As long as you still buy into the process, and from my experience the two are not mutually exclusive. You can be arrogant and still enjoy the process. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Just now, GunnerBill said: I'm not so sure. But then I am told I have an air of superiority about me as well quite often. I make no bones about being an arrogant pain in the neck at times. So I really don't see that personality trait as being so damning. As long as you still buy into the process, and from my experience the two are not mutually exclusive. You can be arrogant and still enjoy the process. I understand. But if you're in a position where you need to attract people to follow you, and work hard for you, that's hard to do if you strike people as arrogant and detached vs. engaging and concerned about them. Rosen would be far from the only QB who started out with that issue, and learned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 One thing that stuck out to me about Rosen. That Texas A&M game Labor day weekend. Great comeback by UCLA. When the Bruins were coming back & finally went ahead, Rosen was excited but kind of looked like he was celebrating by himself. No teammates really came up to hug him & such. They were celebrating with each other but really not with Rosen. They showed a sideline view of him after the go ahead TD & He was kidn fo sitting by himself pondering his thoughts. You think his teammates would be mobbing him at that point. Actions speak louder than words & no matter what is stated publicly I don't think he is a very like individual. Not a deal breaker in my book, but coupled that with his injury history & it is a tough call to trade the farm to move up in a position to be able to draft him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said: I find this quote interesting as well: "I'm not a fan of, like, powerhouses," he says. "I like messing up the system. I'm all about equality and kind of bringing some phoenixes from the fire." With that information in mind, Buffalo is the *perfect* spot for you....if it happens, you'll be dragging this franchise and its fans everywhere out of the fired ruins of despair. This is the exact quote that fired me up yesterday when I read it. I don't think he's going to be throwing a hissy fit if we move up to #2 and take him. I wish we were a fly in the room the first time he meets Beane and McDermott at the Combine. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 4 hours ago, GunnerBill said: He's a smart kid. I absolutely do not buy in to the narrative that smart kids should shut their mouths just in case they say something controversial. The world has enough dumb people. It scares NFL teams because they want someone that they can control. Mindless zombies in unison where no one person is above the team. Don't ask questions just do what we say. This is my favorite article on Rosen and it will tell you everything you need to know about the young man . I posted a thread about it last year in case anyone missed it: http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/a-beautiful-brash-mind/ He's the best QB in a very long time and the only reason he is not #1 is because he has a mind of his own and he intends to use it. He's using football which isn't any different from how football uses and discards players every day. He just understands that and is using it to his advantage. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 2 minutes ago, kdiggz said: It scares NFL teams because they want someone that they can control. Mindless zombies in unison where no one person is above the team. Don't ask questions just do what we say. This is my favorite article on Rosen and it will tell you everything you need to know about the young man . I posted a thread about it last year in case anyone missed it: http://thelab.bleacherreport.com/a-beautiful-brash-mind/ He's the best QB in a very long time and the only reason he is not #1 is because he has a mind of his own and he intends to use it. He's using football which isn't any different from how football uses and discards players every day. He just understands that and is using it to his advantage. You hit it right on the nose. NFL guys love zombies. Especially at QB. Maybe they eventually get to him but I'm not passing on him because he might have an opinion on Trump that mirrors the majority of this country. Edited February 21, 2018 by FeelingOnYouboty 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 4 hours ago, Bob Lamb said: Josh Rosen = Rob Johnson care to elaborate? Furthermore, care to do so with something else besides being qb's in Cali? seems a little lazy and uninformed - but to each their own. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 My only 'real concern' with Rosen is the concussions. He's had two that we know of. He comes from an affluent family. His dad was on the shortlist to be Obama's surgeon general. Maybe a few more forces him to walk away. I don't know but I'm willing to take the chance. The kid has it all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 47 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: My advice to him is don't. I want my Quarterback to have that. I want when I am down by 5 with 1:30 left on the clock and no time outs a guy who walks on the field thinking "of course I am going to lead us down to score. I am the most talented player on this field." Tom Brady was a 6th round pick and told Robert Kraft in is first rookie camp that he was the best pick the Patriots organisation had ever made. And I believe he bought a house in Boston as a 6th round rookie. Apparently that confident he would be there awhile. Edited February 21, 2018 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Rob Johnson uh NO.....a little Joe Namath...a little Dan Marino...a little Peyton Manning.....there fixed! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) We need to draft him just for the press conferences with the Buffalo media. Priorities. Edited February 21, 2018 by YoloinOhio 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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zonabb Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Talent wise, this kid is great. But he's a risky pick. The superiority complex? What's he done to have it? Did he even win a PAC-12, weak conference, title? When he hasn't gotten what he wants or feels entitled to, like getting into Stanford, he dismisses and deflects that failure away from him. He acts like a Jersey Shore cast member, which is not unexpected from a college kid I guess, but there are some serious character/psychological questions here. Here's what was telling to me, which drove home my concern, he seems to have goals and want to aim high, like the fact he found research that finds that high IQs are gained with more reading yet that he hates reading and is "trying" to read more. Not "I have read hundreds of books" but I am "trying." What's the matter snowflake, Unbroken was too tough of a read to finish it? People like this, who seem well versed in the art of talk and self-promotion aim to build themselves up to what they want to be seen as without having to actually achieve it. It's like a friend's wife who said "I'd like to get a PhD but I don't have the time." That statement is intentionally designed to imply capability while placing an insurmountable obstacle in the way to avoid actually proving it! I want a PhD therefore I am a PhD. He's going to turn off teams, no doubt. Guess we'll see how FA shakes out and who the QB needy teams are thereafter and there might be a clearer picture. Funny though, I'd take him over Allen, who might go before him as teams fall in love with stupid athleticism. If Rosen is just immature and not truly, clinically a narcissist or worse, he can presumably grow up. Fixing the decision-making flaws in Allen are harder to do (see: Taylor, Tyrod), as are his accuracy issues, which of the two can be improved. Can't make a guy football smart. But man do football people love physical freaks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: My only 'real concern' with Rosen is the concussions. He's had two that we know of. He comes from an affluent family. His dad was on the shortlist to be Obama's surgeon general. Maybe a few more forces him to walk away. I don't know but I'm willing to take the chance. The kid has it all. I don't know, he is the most pro QB ready & pure passer in this draft, but don't confuse him with guys like Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning, John Elway. This guy is far from a sure thing like those prospects were viewed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 6 hours ago, Bob Lamb said: Josh Rosen = Rob Johnson Josh Rosen=RGIII. Rosen is a much better QB in my opinion, but has a similar body type. And that's the problem. A few NFL hits and I think he's done. Edited February 21, 2018 by yungmack 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Injuries are far more of a concern than is character for Rosen, imho. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FeelingOnYouboty Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: We need to draft him just for the press conferences with the Buffalo media. Priorities. Honestly he's going to garner so much attention with the National media with his takes 58 minutes ago, Gordio said: I don't know, he is the most pro QB ready & pure passer in this draft, but don't confuse him with guys like Andrew Luck, Peyton Manning, John Elway. This guy is far from a sure thing like those prospects were viewed. His only real knock is durability. That's it. He can do anything he wants on the field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Something about this kid just rubs me the wrong way. I fully admit that that could just be effective rumor-mongering by opposing agents. I don't know for sure, I'm not a scout. But I read his interviews and observe his demeanor, and something about it just doesn't scream "leader of men" to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gordio Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, FeelingOnYouboty said: Honestly he's going to garner so much attention with the National media with his takes His only real knock is durability. That's it. He can do anything he wants on the field. That is a bit of an overstatement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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