BigBuff423 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 hours ago, zonabb said: Talent wise, this kid is great. But he's a risky pick. The superiority complex? What's he done to have it? Did he even win a PAC-12, weak conference, title? When he hasn't gotten what he wants or feels entitled to, like getting into Stanford, he dismisses and deflects that failure away from him. He acts like a Jersey Shore cast member, which is not unexpected from a college kid I guess, but there are some serious character/psychological questions here. Here's what was telling to me, which drove home my concern, he seems to have goals and want to aim high, like the fact he found research that finds that high IQs are gained with more reading yet that he hates reading and is "trying" to read more. Not "I have read hundreds of books" but I am "trying." What's the matter snowflake, Unbroken was too tough of a read to finish it? People like this, who seem well versed in the art of talk and self-promotion aim to build themselves up to what they want to be seen as without having to actually achieve it. It's like a friend's wife who said "I'd like to get a PhD but I don't have the time." That statement is intentionally designed to imply capability while placing an insurmountable obstacle in the way to avoid actually proving it! I want a PhD therefore I am a PhD. He's going to turn off teams, no doubt. Guess we'll see how FA shakes out and who the QB needy teams are thereafter and there might be a clearer picture. Funny though, I'd take him over Allen, who might go before him as teams fall in love with stupid athleticism. If Rosen is just immature and not truly, clinically a narcissist or worse, he can presumably grow up. Fixing the decision-making flaws in Allen are harder to do (see: Taylor, Tyrod), as are his accuracy issues, which of the two can be improved. Can't make a guy football smart. But man do football people love physical freaks. RE: the bold statement above, I assume you read the article? I assume you read where he spoke to the coach about the depth chart and the coach essentially said there's no room here for you? He didn't apply to Stanford, he was told straightforward, there's no spot for you - which is different than applying and having your hopes set high only to realize you're not good enough after a formal process. This was essentially about playing opportunity. Rosen then goes on to say he legit took into consideration his chance to play early as part of the decision making process, again that kind of transparency is laudable in my mind. As for deflecting failure, he said that such a recognition that Stanford wasn't going to *make* room for him and therefore he should keep looking, was humbling and that it was good for him....his words. Is it placating the journalist and therefore pandering to all the readers? Maybe..? But, given his other statements and how he's gone about handling his opinion on other matters, that would appear to be contrary to character for him. In fact, what seems to get him into some sticky areas is when he discusses his opinions without careful consideration, in other words little filter to the mouth. As for trying to improve his IQ by reading....again, he stated he admired Andrew Luck for having the raw IQ, but wanted to work to improve his own intellectual capability....I'd say that's a positive, instead of a QB standing by their 3.7 in Slavic Basket Weaving...? I don't know how he will pan out and I have no idea, since I won't be the one interviewing him, if he has the mental fortitude to be an NFL QB, but since you use the term "snowflake" and the story mentions his "F Trump" moniker while playing golf, maybe your issue with him is his politics? I don't know....but seems odd that you would use such a term to someone trying to improve their mental acumen. In the interest of full disclosure, I hope the Bills stay put at 21 and trade back from 22 if possible, because to me, I'd rather use all this Draft capital for building the team with great young players. If Rudolph is there at 21 I would Draft him, if not, then I'd take a guy like Mike White in the 2nd....but, if Bills believe so much in Rosen they are able to go get him, then once he puts on that red, white, and blue uniform, I'm all in.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Dumb ass. https://www.si.com/college-football/2016/08/08/josh-rosen-ucla-donald-trump-photo Double dumb ass. https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/ucla-star-qb-josh-rosen-alabama Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 4 hours ago, bobobonators said: Two AFC “executives”: Rosen: “He’s the one I know the best—he’s got size, athletic tools, velocity. He’s just a mess off the field and he’s coming off the injury. He needs to grow up, but the talent is off the charts.” “The kid from USC has a chance; Rosen has a ton of ability but tons of issues, like dedication to work...” who knows, but where there is smoke.. Unnammed execs putting pooo pooo put there so Kid drops to where they are picking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 He's doing a good enough job on his own with his childish and immature behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 4 hours ago, BigBuff423 said: At this point, more than ANYTHING else, it's the medicals that worry me about Rosen. I found the articles to be enlightening about his character and I'm not even remotely concerned about his ability to transition to the NFL in terms of maturity, because his "issues" have all been age appropriate, meaning he can mature beyond the point where a fart noise in church is funny (which these kinds of things are akin to). If the Bills are truly gauging the landscape to trade up, he should be in for a Pre Draft visit with a 9-hour medical review to ensure everything is what it needs to be and NOT have any unforeseen medical setbacks (i.e. Shaq Lawson). Rosen: It does sound like he has a burning desire to win and yet (UCLA 8-5 in 2015), (Rosen only played in 6 games in 2016), UCLA went 4-8, (2017 UCLA went 6-7). Rosen has publicly stated he would prefer to play for the NY Giants and not play for the Browns. Durability is a concern with two recent concussions and shoulder, hand injuries. He also has a reputation for being difficult to coach. Sounds like his classmates don't like him much either. Too many red flags for me at this point. The Combine and pro days may change this though. http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/ucla-qb-josh-rosen-2018-nfl-draft-doesnt-want-to-play-for-browns-prefers-giants/10evc0o70y39g1qbnprje4myd8 No question the kid can spin a football. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Dumb ass. https://www.si.com/college-football/2016/08/08/josh-rosen-ucla-donald-trump-photo Double dumb ass. https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/ucla-star-qb-josh-rosen-alabama Trump is the dumb ass. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 32 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Dumb ass. https://www.si.com/college-football/2016/08/08/josh-rosen-ucla-donald-trump-photo Double dumb ass. https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/ucla-star-qb-josh-rosen-alabama Well, I do see one "double dumb ass" voicing their opinion in this post.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) How so? How well did engaging in politics work out for Colin? What was the point of mentioning Alabama and how was it relevant to balancing academics and football? He's an immature dumb ass. Maybe too much soaking in the hot tub in his dorm room? Edited February 21, 2018 by Sky Diver 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 34 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: Dumb ass. https://www.si.com/college-football/2016/08/08/josh-rosen-ucla-donald-trump-photo Double dumb ass. https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/ucla-star-qb-josh-rosen-alabama I can understand why it may be unwise in the first link, but he is spot in the second link. Education and football schedules don’t mix well in the college setting and it takes a fully committed student to achieve excellence in both at a high level at major universities. Especially when, as he says, college is the ONLY legit avenue to the pros for those players who aspire to the next level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 20 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: Rosen: It does sound like he has a burning desire to win and yet (UCLA 8-5 in 2015), (Rosen only played in 6 games in 2016), UCLA went 4-8, (2017 UCLA went 6-7). Rosen has publicly stated he would prefer to play for the NY Giants and not play for the Browns. Durability is a concern with two recent concussions and shoulder, hand injuries. He also has a reputation for being difficult to coach. Sounds like his classmates don't like him much either. Too many red flags for me at this point. The Combine and pro days may change this though. http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/ucla-qb-josh-rosen-2018-nfl-draft-doesnt-want-to-play-for-browns-prefers-giants/10evc0o70y39g1qbnprje4myd8 No question the kid can spin a football. So once again I ask, did you read the article? If you did you'd see screenshots of Twitter where multiple teammates came to his Defense when the story came "out" about how his team didn't like him....Mora talked about how much he liked coaching him, but said it was a challenge. But, the best in any industry, i.e. Steve Jobs, typically come with these types of challenges. And please link the article where he said he didn't want to play for Browns and wanted to play for NYG. Maybe he did, but what is often referenced is out of context when he said, I'd rather be Drafted lower and go to the right team, than Drafted higher and go to the wrong one. That one line was a part of a much longer answer and explanation and in context, I'd say I have to agree with him. I tend to be a bit old-fashioned when it comes to these things, ex. be grateful you get play this sport for a ton of money, be glad it bought you a free college education, be a good role model, etc. But, in the context of his answer, I understand it and probably agree with him if I were in his shoes. We can't tar and feather an athlete for authenticity and then rip them for giving cliched answers or platitudes when talking about their team. If we're asking them to be genuine, then we must do the same and accept their humanity as much as their statutory place in the sports industry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 29 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: How so? How well did engaging in politics work out for Colin? What was the point of mentioning Alabama and how was it relevant to balancing academics and football? He's an immature dumb ass. Maybe too much soaking in the hot tub in his dorm room? Bruh, let's be honest and let's be real....Alabama's intellectual landscape is quite different than that of Princeton, Stanford, Harvard, etc....there's NOTHING wrong with it, and there are certainly intelligent and capable folks that graduate from Alabama. BUT, if you're going to Alabama on a football scholarship, is there ANY doubt about where the emphasis lies during your time at that college? Really? You want to debate the fact that Alabama's acceptance policy isn't centered around having athletic talent first, and academics a distant second?? It's not lumping everyone together, but when you talk about standardized test scores, and Alabama SATs, the minimum score threshold is quite different. Let's put it this way: currently, the 25th percentile score at UCLA puts you in the 75th percentile at Alabama. Basically if you're below average at UCLA, you're above average at Alabama....nothing wrong with that, as it's the world we live in, but let's not fool one another either. He made a statement that virtually everyone, even Alabama alum, acknowledge, they just don't like it when another prominent athlete from a different school speaks the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 25 minutes ago, K-9 said: I can understand why it may be unwise in the first link, but he is spot in the second link. Education and football schedules don’t mix well in the college setting and it takes a fully committed student to achieve excellence in both at a high level at major universities. Especially when, as he says, college is the ONLY legit avenue to the pros for those players who aspire to the next level. Interesting topic, but how could Rosen think that bringing The University of Alabama into the discussion could lead to anything good? Edited February 21, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 Just now, Sky Diver said: Interesting topic, but how could Rosen think that bringing The University of Alabama into the discussion lead to anything good? Because they've won MULTIPLE titles under Saban and are the gold standard of college football supremacy. So, he essentially says, "To be the best in football, you have to be willing to be less than stellar in academics"....you don't get both or rarely ever do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 hours ago, JohnBonhamRocks said: Injuries are far more of a concern than is character for Rosen, imho. This is probably true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: Bruh, let's be honest and let's be real....Alabama's intellectual landscape is quite different than that of Princeton, Stanford, Harvard, etc....there's NOTHING wrong with it, and there are certainly intelligent and capable folks that graduate from Alabama. BUT, if you're going to Alabama on a football scholarship, is there ANY doubt about where the emphasis lies during your time at that college? Really? You want to debate the fact that Alabama's acceptance policy isn't centered around having athletic talent first, and academics a distant second?? It's not lumping everyone together, but when you talk about standardized test scores, and Alabama SATs, the minimum score threshold is quite different. Let's put it this way: currently, the 25th percentile score at UCLA puts you in the 75th percentile at Alabama. Basically if you're below average at UCLA, you're above average at Alabama....nothing wrong with that, as it's the world we live in, but let's not fool one another either. He made a statement that virtually everyone, even Alabama alum, acknowledge, they just don't like it when another prominent athlete from a different school speaks the truth. 40% of the students at UA have an ACT score of 30 or greater and 25% have an ACT score of 32 or greater. UA's 75th percentile ACT score puts it in the range of elite public schools. The majoring of student at UA are from out of state. You need to do your homework. Edited February 21, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 26 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: And please link the article where he said he didn't want to play for Browns and wanted to play for NYG.. 1 I did link the article. But if one isn't enough then here is another from ESPN. http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/_/id/21863509/josh-rosen-prefers-new-york-giants-cleveland-browns-hesitate-enter-draft-cleveland-commits-him The kid has warts, whats new. At this point, I'd prefer Mayfield, Allen, or Darnold. JMO 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: Because they've won MULTIPLE titles under Saban and are the gold standard of college football supremacy. So, he essentially says, "To be the best in football, you have to be willing to be less than stellar in academics"....you don't get both or rarely ever do. Yes. In addition, the neglected part of his point is that big football programs allege they are giving kids a chance at a free education. But their education is subordinated to football in every way. If a kid struggles with classes, the question isn't "how can we ID and backfill the gaps in his educational skills so he can actually take advantage of his chance to go to college," it's "how can we keep him eligible?" This is neither unique to big football programs, or to football as a college sport. I know people who were pressured to abandon the education they signed up for in favor of extra team weight lifting sessions, let alone eligibility, in non-revenue DI sports. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 5 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: Because they've won MULTIPLE titles under Saban and are the gold standard of college football supremacy. So, he essentially says, "To be the best in football, you have to be willing to be less than stellar in academics"....you don't get both or rarely ever do. Sounds like whining to me. Alabama has fine academics. He should look at his own school before he open his yap. http://dailybruin.com/2009/01/06/emucla-should-not-lower-admission-standards-athlet/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: I did link the article. But if one isn't enough then here is another from ESPN. http://www.espn.com/nfl/draft2018/story/_/id/21863509/josh-rosen-prefers-new-york-giants-cleveland-browns-hesitate-enter-draft-cleveland-commits-him The kid has warts, whats new. At this point, I'd prefer Mayfield, Allen, or Darnold. JMO yes, a second link please as this one does not cite Rosen directly, only that he has said "privately", then how did they get that information? And are WE ALL going to be held for what we say in private? Because that's the standard....you can't knock a guy for his thoughts or private statements. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 6 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: Yes. In addition, the neglected part of his point is that big football programs allege they are giving kids a chance at a free education. But their education is subordinated to football in every way. If a kid struggles with classes, the question isn't "how can we ID and backfill the gaps in his educational skills so he can actually take advantage of his chance to go to college," it's "how can we keep him eligible?" This is neither unique to big football programs, or to football as a college sport. I know people who were pressured to abandon the education they signed up for in favor of extra team weight lifting sessions, let alone eligibility, in non-revenue DI sports. The biggest lie in recruiting is when the coaches tell the parents that they will 100% support their efforts to study a certain field or pursue a certain major that they are interested in and how excited they are about their education. The coaches don’t care. They just want them in class and eligible, and the classes can’t intrefere with practice, lifting or meetings. Or the major will not work out. It takes a backseat no doubt. There is one school - can’t remember which one - that tells the football players they can choose among a select group of majors or can’t play there. These majors are set up to accommodate the football schedule. Edited February 21, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yard Monkey Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: How so? How well did engaging in politics work out for Colin? What was the point of mentioning Alabama and how was it relevant to balancing academics and football? He's an immature dumb ass. Maybe too much soaking in the hot tub in his dorm room? Really going out on a limb here, but he mentioned Alabama perhaps because they are an active college dynasty winning many national championships of late. Very good example to prove his point that they would win far less if you raised their SAT requirement. Can you make an argument to disagree with his premise? I'm sure Marcell Dareus would still have gone to Alabama if the SAT requirement was raised to 1000+. As for the hot tub comment....you must be just jealous because that is a great idea and typical of an underclassman. We put a blue tarp in the back of a pickup truck and filled it up with water from our apartment at my college....kept the hot water running and just cycled between 3 apartments as the hot water tanks emptied. That's college and great memories! Edited February 21, 2018 by Yard Monkey 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 minute ago, Sky Diver said: Sounds like whining to me. Alabama has fine academics. He should look at his own school before he open his yap. http://dailybruin.com/2009/01/06/emucla-should-not-lower-admission-standards-athlet/ And that sounds like someone who is a bit defensive because it's his / her alma mater. To debate this is pointless, you obviously hold your school in high regard for their academics, and that's fine...but to make it a centralized or objective opinion is something different. According to U.S. News and World Report in their national college rankings UCLA is 21st, Alabama, 159th....here's the link: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ucla-1315 There's the homework you asked for, do I get an A? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloHokie13 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 11 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: 40% of the students at UA have an ACT score of 30 or greater and 25% have an ACT score of 32 or greater. UA's 75th percentile ACT score puts it in the range of elite public schools. The majoring of student at UA are from out of state. You need to do your homework. Students or student athletes? If it's the former then it isn't relevant to the point being made. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aceman_16 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 5 hours ago, BigBuff423 said: meaning he can mature beyond the point where a fart noise in church is funny .... wait.... what? They arent? What does it mean for a 55 y/o man who thinks they are? (asking for a friend) 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Formerly Allan in MD Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 9 hours ago, GunnerBill said: He's a smart kid. I absolutely do not buy in to the narrative that smart kids should shut their mouths just in case they say something controversial. The world has enough dumb people. Plus 1 7 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: And that sounds like someone who is a bit defensive because it's his / her alma mater. To debate this is pointless, you obviously hold your school in high regard for their academics, and that's fine...but to make it a centralized or objective opinion is something different. According to U.S. News and World Report in their national college rankings UCLA is 21st, Alabama, 159th....here's the link: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ucla-1315 There's the homework you asked for, do I get an A? A+ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 23 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: And that sounds like someone who is a bit defensive because it's his / her alma mater. To debate this is pointless, you obviously hold your school in high regard for their academics, and that's fine...but to make it a centralized or objective opinion is something different. According to U.S. News and World Report in their national college rankings UCLA is 21st, Alabama, 159th....here's the link: https://www.usnews.com/best-colleges/ucla-1315 There's the homework you asked for, do I get an A? US News rankings are largely meaningless, look at the metrics they use. By the way, UA is tied for 110. UA is in the Princeton Review top 382 which put its in the top 12% of all 4 year colleges. I guess like Rosen, ya'll aren't aware of UA's guaranteed merit scholarships that they have attracted top student from around the country. http://www.businessinsider.com/ronald-nelson-turned-down-every-ivy-league-school-for-university-of-alabama-2015-5 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/education/edlife/survival-strategies-for-public-universities.html Edited February 21, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 14 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: There's the homework you asked for, do I get an A? Depends on which school you're going to. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 6 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: US News rankings are largely meaningless, look at the metrics they use. By the way, UA is tied for 110. UA is in the Princeton Review top 382 which put its in the top 12% of all 4 year colleges. I guess like Rosen, ya'll aren't aware of UA's guaranteed merit scholarships that have attracted top student from around the country. http://www.businessinsider.com/ronald-nelson-turned-down-every-ivy-league-school-for-university-of-alabama-2015-5 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/education/edlife/survival-strategies-for-public-universities.html And again, I've said there are intelligent and quite capable young men and women who attend and graduate from University of Alabama, a long-time family friend hails from Alabama and it is his alma mater. He's a great guy, smart, and capable....but he also didn't play football for Alabama. My point was that their larger student body is probably a nice cross section of the intellectual spectrum but to say the football players are at the high end of that spectrum "in general" is probably just plain false. And that when you take the "average" football player at UCLA vs. Alabama, which was Rosen's point, you're probably sacrificing some academic acumen at Bama because their interest is wholly football oriented for their prospective players. UCLA is not necessarily the center of the genius universe, but there's no way you don't look at their acceptance criteria and presume them to be the same, ESPECIALLY when it comes to football players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
section122 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 58 minutes ago, K-9 said: I can understand why it may be unwise in the first link, but he is spot in the second link. Education and football schedules don’t mix well in the college setting and it takes a fully committed student to achieve excellence in both at a high level at major universities. Especially when, as he says, college is the ONLY legit avenue to the pros for those players who aspire to the next level. I have brought this up before but I played D3 soccer in school and it was hard to manage both. I can't imagine what D1 athletes have to do to juggle everything successfully especially in revenue sports like Basketball and Football. He was spot on with what he was saying. Easy answers could be have a pro football feeder league (maybe the xfl's niche?) or lower academic requirements as far as credit hours for student athletes. Both of these would effect the image the NCAA thinks they have of "student athletes" so they won't happen but the reality is they are athletes first and students a distant second. 7 minutes ago, Sky Diver said: US News rankings are largely meaningless, look at the metrics they use. By the way, UA is tied for 110. UA is in the Princeton Review top 382 which put its in the top 12% of all 4 year colleges. I guess like Rosen, ya'll aren't aware of UA's guaranteed merit scholarships that have attracted top student from around the country. http://www.businessinsider.com/ronald-nelson-turned-down-every-ivy-league-school-for-university-of-alabama-2015-5 https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/06/education/edlife/survival-strategies-for-public-universities.html The problem with your posts are that you are solely focused on Alabama and are reacting as a fan. Pretend he said The OSU or a school you aren't so quick to blindly defend. The school he chose had more to do with their football success than it does as an institution. BTW your links hardly prove your point for student athletes. The first one talks a bout a guy picking UA over Ivy league because he was given a full ride and even then he had to do some "soul searching" before deciding on UA. The second one also got a full ride. Neither of them are student athletes which again was the point he was making. I root for Alabama before you come at me saying anything like that. Put your rooting interests and pay attention to what he actually said not what the sound bite painted him to say. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said: RE: the bold statement above, I assume you read the article? I assume you read where he spoke to the coach about the depth chart and the coach essentially said there's no room here for you? He didn't apply to Stanford, he was told straightforward, there's no spot for you - which is different than applying and having your hopes set high only to realize you're not good enough after a formal process. This was essentially about playing opportunity. Rosen then goes on to say he legit took into consideration his chance to play early as part of the decision making process, again that kind of transparency is laudable in my mind. As for deflecting failure, he said that such a recognition that Stanford wasn't going to *make* room for him and therefore he should keep looking, was humbling and that it was good for him....his words. Is it placating the journalist and therefore pandering to all the readers? Maybe..? But, given his other statements and how he's gone about handling his opinion on other matters, that would appear to be contrary to character for him. In fact, what seems to get him into some sticky areas is when he discusses his opinions without careful consideration, in other words little filter to the mouth. As for trying to improve his IQ by reading....again, he stated he admired Andrew Luck for having the raw IQ, but wanted to work to improve his own intellectual capability....I'd say that's a positive, instead of a QB standing by their 3.7 in Slavic Basket Weaving...? I don't know how he will pan out and I have no idea, since I won't be the one interviewing him, if he has the mental fortitude to be an NFL QB, but since you use the term "snowflake" and the story mentions his "F Trump" moniker while playing golf, maybe your issue with him is his politics? I don't know....but seems odd that you would use such a term to someone trying to improve their mental acumen. In the interest of full disclosure, I hope the Bills stay put at 21 and trade back from 22 if possible, because to me, I'd rather use all this Draft capital for building the team with great young players. If Rudolph is there at 21 I would Draft him, if not, then I'd take a guy like Mike White in the 2nd....but, if Bills believe so much in Rosen they are able to go get him, then once he puts on that red, white, and blue uniform, I'm all in.... Superb. You nailed it. 40 minutes ago, Yard Monkey said: Really going out on a limb here, but he mentioned Alabama perhaps because they are an active college dynasty winning many national championships of late. Very good example to prove his point that they would win far less if you raised their SAT requirement. Can you make an argument to disagree with his premise? I'm sure Marcell Dareus would still have gone to Alabama if the SAT requirement was raised to 1000+. As for the hot tub comment....you must be just jealous because that is a great idea and typical of an underclassman. We put a blue tarp in the back of a pickup truck and filled it up with water from our apartment at my college....kept the hot water running and just cycled between 3 apartments as the hot water tanks emptied. That's college and great memories! Weird for Bills fans to be put off by the hot tub after table crashing, butt shots, guys on fire. Seems he'd fit right in. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, Sky Diver said: Interesting topic, but how could Rosen think that bringing The University of Alabama into the discussion could lead to anything good? LOL he wasn't thinking about any "big picture" issues at all. Which is why Mora apparently gave him a talking-to over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 39 minutes ago, BigBuff423 said: yes, a second link please as this one does not cite Rosen directly, only that he has said "privately", then how did they get that information? And are WE ALL going to be held for what we say in private? Because that's the standard....you can't knock a guy for his thoughts or private statements. I wasn't faulting him for not wanting to play for Cleveland as I wouldn't want to either. Just pointing it out. Rosen isn't the first QB to say he won't play for a particular team. John Elway told Robert Irsay up front he would never play for the Colts if they drafted him. So what did the Colts do, they drafted him anyway. Elway said he would rather play baseball for the Yankees and he outright refused to play for the Colts which forced a trade. Jim Kelly chose to play for the USFL rather than play for Buffalo. Eli Manning told the Chargers he wouldn't play for them which forced a trade to NY. Kelly Stouffer was drafted by St Louis and refused to ply for them. Rich Gannon was drafted by the Patriots to be a RB and so he held out until they traded him. Bo Jackson refused to play for Tampa Bay. I'm sure I missed some as those are all I can think of atm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Nihilarian said: Rosen: It does sound like he has a burning desire to win and yet (UCLA 8-5 in 2015), (Rosen only played in 6 games in 2016), UCLA went 4-8, (2017 UCLA went 6-7). Rosen has publicly stated he would prefer to play for the NY Giants and not play for the Browns. Durability is a concern with two recent concussions and shoulder, hand injuries. He also has a reputation for being difficult to coach. Sounds like his classmates don't like him much either. Too many red flags for me at this point. The Combine and pro days may change this though. http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/news/ucla-qb-josh-rosen-2018-nfl-draft-doesnt-want-to-play-for-browns-prefers-giants/10evc0o70y39g1qbnprje4myd8 The bold portion was what I quoted, just for clarity's sake. I have no issue with Rosen *not* wanting to play for any team, i.e. Browns or Bills or whomever, but what I did take note of in your response was that he publicly stated he didn't want to play for the Browns. I circled back to the article that "alluded" to his lack of interest in playing for the Browns when he said he would rather be Drafted later and play for the right team, as opposed to being Drafted early and playing for the wrong one. Then I said the rest of his statements were not included in the sound bite and that the rest of his statement provided context and one I agreed with. Then, the link you provided was for one where Rosen was reportedly saying "in private" he didn't want to play for the Browns to which I asked, should we all be held strictly accountable for something we say in private regarding our interests? Personally, I don't....but I see how that could be an unpopular perspective. 6 minutes ago, Nihilarian said: I wasn't faulting him for not wanting to play for Cleveland as I wouldn't want to either. Just pointing it out. Rosen isn't the first QB to say he won't play for a particular team. John Elway told Robert Irsay up front he would never play for the Colts if they drafted him. So what did the Colts do, they drafted him anyway. Elway said he would rather play baseball for the Yankees and he outright refused to play for the Colts which forced a trade. Jim Kelly chose to play for the USFL rather than play for Buffalo. Eli Manning told the Chargers he wouldn't play for them which forced a trade to NY. Kelly Stouffer was drafted by St Louis and refused to ply for them. Rich Gannon was drafted by the Patriots to be a RB and so he held out until they traded him. Bo Jackson refused to play for Tampa Bay. I'm sure I missed some as those are all I can think of atm. Please see my response as I needed to quote your first post, thank you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, BigBuff423 said: And again, I've said there are intelligent and quite capable young men and women who attend and graduate from University of Alabama, a long-time family friend hails from Alabama and it is his alma mater. He's a great guy, smart, and capable....but he also didn't play football for Alabama. My point was that their larger student body is probably a nice cross section of the intellectual spectrum but to say the football players are at the high end of that spectrum "in general" is probably just plain false. And that when you take the "average" football player at UCLA vs. Alabama, which was Rosen's point, you're probably sacrificing some academic acumen at Bama because their interest is wholly football oriented for their prospective players. UCLA is not necessarily the center of the genius universe, but there's no way you don't look at their acceptance criteria and presume them to be the same, ESPECIALLY when it comes to football players. Show me your data on the average football player at UA vs UCLA. I am sure Rosen heavily researched it before he shot of his mouth and showed what an idiot he is. Funny, I don't see UCLA on this list. Per APR scores, Alabama can claim top 25 status academically as well as on football field https://www.seccountry.com/alabama/per-apr-scores-alabama-football-can-claim-top-25-status-academically-as-well-on-the-field Edited February 21, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peterpan Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 This is another good article worth reading, focuses more on the football aspect. http://draftanalyst.com/tuesday-draft-notes-110 In short the only knock on Rosen is off the field personality stuff. Otherwise scouts think he is the best QB years. I think people are reading into the personality stuff too much too. It's the NFL. It's a job. People go home to their kids and families. So not, personally, being liked by team mates and all....Big deal. I guarantee you Tom Brady isn't liked by his team mates off the field either. Dude is the spokesman for Uggs. But they love him when they win. Rosen will be loved too when he wins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sky Diver Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) The personality stuff isn't trivial for a quarterback. I don't see him as a cultural fit for Buffalo. And I don't think his rich kid elitist attitude will help him. Edited February 21, 2018 by Sky Diver Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuck Wagon Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said: The biggest lie in recruiting is when the coaches tell the parents that they will 100% support their efforts to study a certain field or pursue a certain major that they are interested in and how excited they are about their education. The coaches don’t care. They just want them in class and eligible, and the classes can’t intrefere with practice, lifting or meetings. Or the major will not work out. It takes a backseat no doubt. There is one school - can’t remember which one - that tells the football players they can choose among a select group of majors or can’t play there. These majors are set up to accommodate the football schedule. I personally know a story of freshman going into a notorious football factory with ambitions on a major with rigorous academic requirements and being explicitly told by the football staff they would not be majoring in that subject. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 2 hours ago, Sky Diver said: Interesting topic, but how could Rosen think that bringing The University of Alabama into the discussion could lead to anything good? He could have brought up any university to make his point but, since Alabama is the preeminent program in the country, I think it underscored his point in a more emphatic way. When reading his comments in context there is nothing disparaging said about Alabama but about the NCAA instead. I can see how insecure Alabama fans (like they need to be in the first place) might think otherwise though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted February 21, 2018 Author Share Posted February 21, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Chuck Wagon said: I personally know a story of freshman going into a notorious football factory with ambitions on a major with rigorous academic requirements and being explicitly told by the football staff they would not be majoring in that subject. At least they were honest. Edited February 21, 2018 by YoloinOhio 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 21, 2018 Share Posted February 21, 2018 He’s young, he’s smart, he’ll learn and grow. His attitude does not concern me. I’ll take him at that age over me at that age. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts