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NFL’s Next Gen stats: Bills had 2nd best OL in 2017


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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000916199/article/saints-bills-rams-among-nfls-10-best-offensive-line-units

Using the unique Next Gen Stats tracking data provided by the microchips in every player's shoulder pads, we're looking to take another step in evaluating the performance of the offensive line. The rankings for this list were created using a 1-32 listing of both pressures allowed (pass blocking) and average rushing yards gained before close (run blocking) for every team. The rankings were then finalized with the lowest composite score coming out ahead.

 

NOTES: Next Gen Stats defines a "pressure" as a pass-rushing play in which a defender gets within 2 yards of the opposing quarterback at the time of the throw or sack. Other outlets collect pressures using different methods, and these have value. What is and is not a pressure will always carry some level of debate, but NGS provides us a unique advantage in that the numbers rely not on the subjective eye test, but rather on objective results that are consistent across all plays.

"Yards gained before close" (YGBC) measures the amount of rushing yards a running back gains before opposing defenders come within 1 yard of the player. In addition to making sense intuitively, this metric correlates with other measures of run blocking success. The league average is 0.29 YGBC.

 

 
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Ummmm, that was not the feeling I got. We couldn’t run like we had the previous two years, and Tyrod, well, you know. I’m hoping next year has a totally different feel. If your line is #2, shouldn’t it FEEL better??? 

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12 minutes ago, Augie said:

Ummmm, that was not the feeling I got. We couldn’t run like we had the previous two years, and Tyrod, well, you know. I’m hoping next year has a totally different feel. If your line is #2, shouldn’t it FEEL better??? 

It feels worse when the QB holds the ball longer than anyone in the entire league

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McCoy had a few big runs to the outside where there was literally no one for 30 to 40 yards...actually 2 plays in a row that led to a TD in the Chargers game...there would have to have been a lot of bad plays to offset that...

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36 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

If our line was #2, how come Shady and TT both dropped off significantly in YPA and every time I looked seemed as though TT had dudes in his face?

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48 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

Ummm... is anyone else seeing the massive problem with this technique to measure the effectiveness of an OL when it comes to protecting a QB like Tyrod Taylor?

 

" Next Gen Stats defines a "pressure" as a pass-rushing play in which a defender gets within 2 yards of the opposing quarterback at the time of the throw or sack. "

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50 minutes ago, Augie said:

Ummmm, that was not the feeling I got. We couldn’t run like we had the previous two years, and Tyrod, well, you know. I’m hoping next year has a totally different feel. If your line is #2, shouldn’t it FEEL better??? 

I think most of us feel that way. The eye test obviously leaves a bit to be desired.

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25 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:

Football outsiders has our line at 27th in run blocking and 31st in pass blocking.  Maybe we're somewhere in between, but these metrics they use make more sense to me.  There's no way our line was 2nd in the league.

 

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

 

Thanks for that link... I think that lines up more with reality.

 

Their methodology was an absolute joke :lol:

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16 hours ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If our line was #2, how come Shady and TT both dropped off significantly in YPA and every time I looked seemed as though TT had dudes in his face?

 

There's lies, damned lies, and then there's statistics.  A good OL protects the passer and opens holes for the runners.  The Bills OL did that far worse in 2017 than in the previous 2 seasons with most of the same personnel, and against good Ds, they performed only marginally better than the horrible OLs fielded during the Jauron era.

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16 hours ago, transplantbillsfan said:

 

Ummm... is anyone else seeing the massive problem with this technique to measure the effectiveness of an OL when it comes to protecting a QB like Tyrod Taylor?

 

" Next Gen Stats defines a "pressure" as a pass-rushing play in which a defender gets within 2 yards of the opposing quarterback at the time of the throw or sack. "

 

Number of “pressures” on the season wasn’t even normalized to number of passing plays. 

 

Buffalo had the second fewest pass attempts in the league. 

 

This ranking is simply invalid. 

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11 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Football outsiders has our line at 27th in run blocking and 31st in pass blocking.  Maybe we're somewhere in between, but these metrics they use make more sense to me.  There's no way our line was 2nd in the league.

 

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol

 

I think this is more in line with reality.  In general I like CHFF and FO >>> PFF

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Please keep in mind that other teams pass rush was slowed down due to Taylor's legs.  Keeping their lanes and keeping TT contained is the priority over just rushing the QB.  There is a word for it in football lingo but it's slipping my mind right now. 

 

Either way re watch Peterman v the Chargers if you don't believe me. 

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43 minutes ago, peterpan said:

Please keep in mind that other teams pass rush was slowed down due to Taylor's legs.  Keeping their lanes and keeping TT contained is the priority over just rushing the QB.  There is a word for it in football lingo but it's slipping my mind right now. 

 

Either way re watch Peterman v the Chargers if you don't believe me. 

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On 2/19/2018 at 4:44 PM, YoloinOhio said:

Tyrod still couldn't dissect a defense to save his life. Garbage. Kidding. I didn't get the feeling Tyrod had all day all the time but when he did drop back all you could scream at the TV is "throw the godamm ball!!"

 

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On 2/19/2018 at 7:02 PM, kdiggz said:

It feels worse when the QB holds the ball longer than anyone in the entire league

 

Untrue.  There are two QB who hold it longer.  Russ Wilson and DeShaun Watson

 

But we know they hold the ball a long time because they're escaping pressure and trying to extend the play, so it's generally seen as a good thing.

Oh wait....

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On 2/19/2018 at 8:20 PM, Hapless Bills Fan said:

 

If our line was #2, how come Shady and TT both dropped off significantly in YPA and every time I looked seemed as though TT had dudes in his face?

Lack of anticipation like many on here have said. Throwing the ball to an area for his wr to get to was the issue. He was throwing to the receiver and if the receiver is somewhat covered, he wouldn't throw

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As they say, the truth is in the middle somewhere. I think talent wise, the line is better than they played. I think that also had a lot to do with that awful zone blocking scheme. They were still more than effective on power runs. I won't get into pass blocking because you can't judge that with a guy that holds the ball and scrambles.

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On 2/21/2018 at 8:37 AM, Captainrc4 said:

Lack of anticipation like many on here have said. Throwing the ball to an area for his wr to get to was the issue. He was throwing to the receiver and if the receiver is somewhat covered, he wouldn't throw

 

Yes but we also got worse at run blocking as well which has nothing to do with Tyrod throwing or not throwing the ball. The o-line was never good at pass blocking to begin with and took a step back transitioning to a new run blocking scheme.

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These guys are high.

 

Throw whatever stats you have out the window and watch the games. Watch our right side get blown up over and over again. Tyrod's escapability is the only thing stopping them from being one of the worst OLs in the league.

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I thought at times the line was doing their job quite well. It did take a few weeks to get the new blocking scheme down. Just saw a QB that was afraid to pull the trigger and he kept taking negative plays by getting sacked. I hate ragging on Tyrod but you have to see those open receivers down the field and make that throw as they are coming open. 

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