Trade Scenario Depending on the NY Giants

[H2o]

First off I think the Browns don't take any chances and select their QB with the 1st overall pick. I had been mulling the possibility of Saquon Barkley going #1, but a lot can happen with NY and Indy that loses them their guy. With that being said I think the Browns take Mayfield/Allen/Darnold with that selection. There is a report that Rosen doesn't want to play for the Browns so I can't see them drafting a guy who would loathe being there.

 

Second, do the Giants go QB? Do they feel Eli has 2 or 3 more good years in him? Do they pass on the opportunity to get a successor this high in the draft? They were decimated by injuries last year, especially to the WR group. I think Eli can still get it done if they build things around him. Do they feel the same? The defense is still solid, but could use some upgrades @ LB and on the interior. I think the Giants will seriously consider and elite RB prospect like Barkley here. Eli hasn't ever had the benifit of handing the ball off to a guy this talented. I fully expect him to run a mid 4.3 40 time at the combine and the game tape is there. The Giants think "win now" and make this pick. 

 

Now the question becomes do we pull the trigger with Indy or do we wait and make a move with Cleveland? The amount of compensation required varies a bit between the two picks. If the Bills covet Rosen then I say why wait? Someone could always make a more enticing offer, but I think this is where we jump up to, especially if the reports are true. A trade that works based off of chart values would be #21, #22, #53, #96 all from the 2018 draft, along with our 2019 2nd and 3rd Round picks. This would allow us to move up to #3 and allow Indy a ton of draft capital to build the line or address other positions around Andrew Luck. We would still have #55, #117, #149, and #157 to add a few more guys this year as well as keeping next year's 1st. It could work. It all comes down to the NY Giants, what direction they go, and what we are willing to do to get our guy if he's there. 

[MAJBobby]

Or just go and get to No 2 

 

giants still can get their RB

a successor to Eli back to back

require a LT as part of the package (Glenn) 

 

then still get more picks 

[H2o]

1 minute ago, MAJBobby said:

Or just go and get to No 2 

 

giants still can get their RB

a successor to Eli back to back

require a LT as part of the package (Glenn) 

 

then still get more picks 

I would like to see us keep Glenn and move him to RT if possible and healthy. He may not be in our plans though, not sure right now. Dawkins @ LT and Glenn @ RT would make a nice set of bookends for a rookie QB though. 

[KW95 - JA17]

1 minute ago, H2o said:

I would like to see us keep Glenn and move him to RT if possible and healthy. He may not be in our plans though, not sure right now. Dawkins @ LT and Glenn @ RT would make a nice set of bookends for a rookie QB though. 

 

dont forget that recently Glenn only pays half a season.

 

 

[billsredneck1]

first, i can't see the giants passing on rosen.

second, i heard an interview the other day either on wgr or 950(can't remember) with an indy beat writer and ex player who spent some time with the bills actually. he said there's no way they trade that 3rd pick. he said that the need for pass rush is so bad that they will not pass up bradley chubb.

 

that leaves pretty much only the 4 spot for us to try to get to and hopefully the browns take darnold or allen. if we have no shot at mayfield, i wouldn't bother moving up. then again we may be set with a fa by then.

[Packerland Bills Fan]

Glenn might be a more attactive option to a Giants team trying to win one more with Eli. Got to look at what they would want to do.

[26CornerBlitz]

Any attempt to assess draft trade scenarios before Free Agency is a fruitless exercise IMO.  

[D. L. Hot-Flamethrower]

18 minutes ago, H2o said:

First off I think the Browns don't take any chances and select their QB with the 1st overall pick. I had been mulling the possibility of Saquon Barkley going #1, but a lot can happen with NY and Indy that loses them their guy. With that being said I think the Browns take Mayfield/Allen/Darnold with that selection. There is a report that Rosen doesn't want to play for the Browns so I can't see them drafting a guy who would loathe being there.

 

Second, do the Giants go QB? Do they feel Eli has 2 or 3 more good years in him? Do they pass on the opportunity to get a successor this high in the draft? They were decimated by injuries last year, especially to the WR group. I think Eli can still get it done if they build things around him. Do they feel the same? The defense is still solid, but could use some upgrades @ LB and on the interior. I think the Giants will seriously consider and elite RB prospect like Barkley here. Eli hasn't ever had the benifit of handing the ball off to a guy this talented. I fully expect him to run a mid 4.3 40 time at the combine and the game tape is there. The Giants think "win now" and make this pick. 

 

Now the question becomes do we pull the trigger with Indy or do we wait and make a move with Cleveland? The amount of compensation required varies a bit between the two picks. If the Bills covet Rosen then I say why wait? Someone could always make a more enticing offer, but I think this is where we jump up to, especially if the reports are true. A trade that works based off of chart values would be #21, #22, #53, #96 all from the 2018 draft, along with our 2019 2nd and 3rd Round picks. This would allow us to move up to #3 and allow Indy a ton of draft capital to build the line or address other positions around Andrew Luck. We would still have #55, #117, #149, and #157 to add a few more guys this year as well as keeping next year's 1st. It could work. It all comes down to the NY Giants, what direction they go, and what we are willing to do to get our guy if he's there. 

Good post. I agree with most of what you say. I think the Bills have to get to 2 to be sure if Rosen is really the guy they want. I don't think as you say the Browns will take Rosen after the comments. It's likely Darnold, but I have a suspicion Mayfield may be their guy. FWIW I had a feeling it was going to be Allen (which would be great for us), but now I don't think Dorsey can afford to go there. He will go the less project route and steer clear of Allen JMO.

 

It still may require us getting to 8 or 5 first and then making a second trade up. But, I am in favor of at least getting to 3, then we can have one of what I consider the 3most  likely successful QB (Rosen, Mayfield, Darnold), not projects (Allen, Jackson, Rudolph).

Edited February 18, 2018 by horned dogs

[KDIGGZ]

I think it might take 2 trades to get into the top 5. Nobody with a top pick wants to drop that far down the draft board. Both of our 1sts might get us to 8-10. Then from there trade that pick plus another pick and a player with someone in the top 5. I think that is why you are hearing about the Bills calling around trying to get into top 10. If they really do want to eventually get to pick 2 I think the Giants will still want to remain in the top 10 if possible.

[ALLEN1QB]

Takes a lot of balls to pull the trigger on a deal like that I guess that's why they pay them the big bucks

[cage]

I don't know about moving up to 2 or 3... it will simply cost too much.  I think a more realistic situational scenario would be if only 2 QBs at the top of the draft... lets say Browns and Jets, then making a move to get ahead of Cardinals at 15 makes some sense.  Maybe target #8-13.  That would only cost one of our 1sts and probably either a 2nd plus later round?  Or maybe less pics if Cordy Glenn is added.   Something like that seems more viable...maybe?  I hate making big move up, so very skeptical.

Edited February 18, 2018 by cage

[billsredneck1]

like 26 said, right now it's futile.  cousins, mc carron, bradford, keenum and bridgewater, plus others will find landing spots and hopefully with teams in front of us such as cle., jets and broncos. arizona is as much in play as well. there's 4 teams right there with plenty of needs outside qb. i'm hoping this pushes mayfield into easily reachable territory.

[ALF]

Browns have the cap space to sign Cousins and take Barkley #1.

 

Depends how convincing Scot McCloughan is against Kirk , I think Dorsey will know which QB to draft otherwise.

 

 

[26CornerBlitz]

1 minute ago, ALF said:

Browns have the cap space to sign Cousins and take Barkley #1.

 

Depends how convincing Scot McCloughan is against Kirk , I think Dorsey will know which QB to draft otherwise.

 

McCloughan was hired a consultant just for the 2018 draft.

[TPS]

I’ll be shocked if the Giants don’t take Eli’s successor with their pick. It’s a great year for QBs, No guarantee Eli is good for 2-3 more years, and it’s rare for the giants to have the #2 pick. 

[RochesterRob]

23 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

like 26 said, right now it's futile.  cousins, mc carron, bradford, keenum and bridgewater, plus others will find landing spots and hopefully with teams in front of us such as cle., jets and broncos. arizona is as much in play as well. there's 4 teams right there with plenty of needs outside qb. i'm hoping this pushes mayfield into easily reachable territory.

  This is wishful thinking.  Teams such as the Jets and Broncos can get a QB with one pick if they so choose.   It's never going to be cheaper in terms of number of picks required to get a highly rated prospect.  If any of these QB's started to fall down the board it would tell me more about what the scouts of other teams thought about those QB's than what they thought about prospects from other positions.  If these guys are as good as many here seem to think they are the top four will be gone in the first several picks.  I still think Cleveland might move up to 2 to secure their QB after they get Barkley with the number 1 overall.

[JMF2006]

If I am drafting for the Browns I take SB the RB at #1

 

They are guaranteed a top 3 QB at #4 there is no such guaranty that SB is still there if they go QB at #1 JMHO

[1billsfan]

28 minutes ago, TPS said:

I’ll be shocked if the Giants don’t take Eli’s successor with their pick. It’s a great year for QBs, No guarantee Eli is good for 2-3 more years, and it’s rare for the giants to have the #2 pick. 

 

I totally agree, especially since the Eagles have Wentz and the Giants need their franchise QB for the next 10 years. Great situation for Darnold being able to sit a year or two behind Manning.

 

I see the first four picks as going...1. Mayfield / Browns, 2. Darnold / Giants, 3. Chubb / Colts, 4. Barkley / Browns

 

Pick 5 on down depends on where Cousins lands. But Giants no doubt will be staying at pick 2.

 

 

[Bakin]

2 hours ago, KW95 said:

 

dont forget that recently Glenn only pays half a season.

 

 

JJ Watt only plays a quarter of a season. I guess he’s disposable too. 

[RochesterRob]

8 minutes ago, 1billsfan said:

 

I totally agree, especially since the Eagles have Wentz and the Giants need their franchise QB for the next 10 years. Great situation for Darnold being able to sit a year or two behind Manning.

 

I see the first four picks as going...1. Mayfield / Browns, 2. Darnold / Giants, 3. Chubb / Colts, 4. Barkley / Browns

 

Pick 5 on down depends on where Cousins lands. But Giants no doubt will be staying at pick 2.

 

 

  It would not surprise me to see the top 5 teams stay put and decline any trades no matter how beneficial they may be.  Barkley and Chubb are the kind of players that would greatly help any of those teams.  

[PolishDave]

25 minutes ago, JMF2006 said:

If I am drafting for the Browns I take SB the RB at #1

 

They are guaranteed a top 3 QB at #4 there is no such guaranty that SB is still there if they go QB at #1 JMHO

 

That would be Brownsy and also nutso cuckoo!

 

There has to be one QB that the Browns like more than any of the other ones.    If that guy is one of the top talked about prospects, then they are nuts to not take him at 1 unless they trade up and take him at 2.

Edited February 18, 2018 by PolishDave
grammar

[Misterbluesky]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

Browns have the cap space to sign Cousins and take Barkley #1.

 

Depends how convincing Scot McCloughan is against Kirk , I think Dorsey will know which QB to draft otherwise.

 

 

With the way that organization has been run,i could easily see this happen.

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, ALF said:

Browns have the cap space to sign Cousins and take Barkley #1.

 

Depends how convincing Scot McCloughan is against Kirk , I think Dorsey will know which QB to draft otherwise.

 

 

 

...safe to assume the Browns "hots" for McCarron are no longer even with him being a UFA?................

[H2o]

2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said:

 

McCloughan was hired a consultant just for the 2018 draft.

And McCloughan has already said he doesn't see Cousins as a "special" player. 

[Hapless Bills Fan]

4 hours ago, H2o said:

First off I think the Browns don't take any chances and select their QB with the 1st overall pick. I had been mulling the possibility of Saquon Barkley going #1, but a lot can happen with NY and Indy that loses them their guy. With that being said I think the Browns take Mayfield/Allen/Darnold with that selection. There is a report that Rosen doesn't want to play for the Browns so I can't see them drafting a guy who would loathe being there.

 

I have wondered about that.  The Chargers did just that.  Then they got a guy who was drafted a little later, and shook the Giants down for a first round and two later round picks.

 

If Rosen doesn't want to play for the Browns, and there's another QB they could be happy with, I would think they would at least explore that and not assume they would avoid drafting him.

 

4 hours ago, kdiggz said:

I think it might take 2 trades to get into the top 5. Nobody with a top pick wants to drop that far down the draft board. Both of our 1sts might get us to 8-10. Then from there trade that pick plus another pick and a player with someone in the top 5. I think that is why you are hearing about the Bills calling around trying to get into top 10. If they really do want to eventually get to pick 2 I think the Giants will still want to remain in the top 10 if possible.

 

I agree with you.  I think the Bills are trying, predraft when teams have time to vet players medically, to see what it would take to package one of their 1st round picks and a couple of players and move up into the top 10 because as you say, it would give them more options as a trade partner. 

Edited February 18, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan

[Victory Formation]

I'm not in the trade up crowd, I'm in the sit tight crowd and play the compensatory picks game. We could walk out of this draft with 4 starters and some nice depth. Rudolph and Jackson could both be there, maybe Josh Allen, we'll see.

[KW95 - JA17]

2 hours ago, Bakin said:

JJ Watt only plays a quarter of a season. I guess he’s disposable too. 

 

Stick a fork in Watt...he's done! It all starting going downhill after the FJ22 Block in his thigh.

[billsredneck1]

30 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

I'm not in the trade up crowd, I'm in the sit tight crowd and play the compensatory picks game. We could walk out of this draft with 4 starters and some nice depth. Rudolph and Jackson could both be there, maybe Josh Allen, we'll see.

i tend to agree. i would love to be able to use each pick. the first 2 for me is vita vea and mason rudolph. assuming  that the decent free agents have all found homes, i would also take a qb later....such as a white, lauletta or ferguson.

 

roll with nate and a couple of young guys and let the process play out. however, i would rather throw my last pick to denver for kelly. sooner or later he will emerge. i also have confidence in nate's development. i think he can give us an alex smith type of year, especially with a healthy receiving corp to go through camp with.

Edited February 18, 2018 by billsredneck1

[Victory Formation]

8 minutes ago, billsredneck1 said:

i tend to agree. i would love to be able to use each pick. the first 2 for me is vita vea and mason rudolph. assuming also that the decent free agents have all found homes, i would also take a qb later....such as a white, lauletta or ferguson.

 

roll with nate and a couple of young guys and let the process play out. however, i would rather throw my last pick to denver for kelly. sooner or later he will emerge. i also have confidence in nate's development. i think he can give us an alex smith type of year, especially with a healthy receiving to go through camp with.

 

That's a good strategy, Vea and Rudolph would be solid picks. We may get an additional 3rd if we lose Gaines. Could have two 2nds and two 3rds, could completely rebuild the entire roster. A young QB would fail here if we gave up everything to get him, we have too many holes. How we made the playoffs last year I have no freaking idea.

[TPS]

14 minutes ago, NewDayBills said:

. How we made the playoffs last year I have no freaking idea.

Good coaching that got the talent to focus on a team-first mentality. Now, they need a QB...

[26TrapDraw]

8 hours ago, kdiggz said:

I think it might take 2 trades to get into the top 5. Nobody with a top pick wants to drop that far down the draft board. Both of our 1sts might get us to 8-10. Then from there trade that pick plus another pick and a player with someone in the top 5. I think that is why you are hearing about the Bills calling around trying to get into top 10. If they really do want to eventually get to pick 2 I think the Giants will still want to remain in the top 10 if possible.

See this is why I have such an issue with trading up. The Bills have so many holes to fill and the draft Ammo to do it. Why don't

They just do that this year . I totally get that a Franchise QB is the most important position but will a rookie QB win a super bowl without a supporting cast?

 

[KDIGGZ]

17 minutes ago, BeefCurtns said:

See this is why I have such an issue with trading up. The Bills have so many holes to fill and the draft Ammo to do it. Why don't

They just do that this year . I totally get that a Franchise QB is the most important position but will a rookie QB win a super bowl without a supporting cast?

 

Drafting a QB is a multi year process. You have time to build around them. You are shooting for 3 yrs out. You draft other positions and then draft a QB then by the time the QB is good everyone is a free agent. How many of our draft picks from 3 yrs ago are still on the team? Man I can't believe I have to explain this to people. We have done the same stupid thing for 20 yrs. Get a top QB and worry about the rest later

[26TrapDraw]

5 minutes ago, kdiggz said:

Drafting a QB is a multi year process. You have time to build around them. You are shooting for 3 yrs out. You draft other positions and then draft a QB then by the time the QB is good everyone is a free agent. How many of our draft picks from 3 yrs ago are still on the team? Man I can't believe I have to explain this to people. We have done the same stupid thing for 20 yrs. Get a top QB and worry about the rest later

The difference this year is they have 5 picks in the top 100. Tell me the last time they could yank 5 starters out of the draft?

[BuffaloRush]

I think Gettleman is in a similar position that Beane is with in Buffalo.  A new GM has about 1 crack at drafting a QB and that move more than likely will dictate their future.  Unfortunately, I think the Giants are in the perfect position to draft a QB to sit behind Eli for a season.  I can't see them trading down

[papazoid]

all taking QB's in first round of draft or in Free Agency

 

#1- CLE

#2- NYG

#5- DEN

#6- NYJ

#15- ARZ

#22- BUF

 

[ALF]

I would want to get 1 of the Vikings QBs , not sure yet if Bridgewater will be a FA or if reasonable trade for Foles.

 

There is no guarantee another team will let us trade up high enough in the draft. In that case take a QB at 21

[BillsfanAZ]

14 hours ago, papazoid said:

all taking QB's in first round of draft or in Free Agency

 

#1- CLE

#2- NYG

#5- DEN

#6- NYJ

#15- ARZ

#22- BUF

 

I think one of these teams will sign Cousins to a mega deal. The rest of the FA QB's will most likely be bridge QB's so the other 5 will still be taking QB's in the draft. The best situation if the Bills want to move up is Denver signing cousins and trading their spot to Buffalo. I dont see Buffalo moving up to #2

[RochesterRob]

1 hour ago, BillsfanAZ said:

I think one of these teams will sign Cousins to a mega deal. The rest of the FA QB's will most likely be bridge QB's so the other 5 will still be taking QB's in the draft. The best situation if the Bills want to move up is Denver signing cousins and trading their spot to Buffalo. I dont see Buffalo moving up to #2

  Signing Cousins or Bradford or whomever does not preclude a team from taking a QB in the first especially if they do not have a whole lot of need at other positions.  Even if they did not intend to keep the prospect they could earn "interest" by getting the original draft capital back plus in a year where the draft is QB poor and a team figures that they are just a QB away from a deep playoff run.  

 

  As others have said before do not overlook teams such as Cincy and Miami for making a move on a QB.  Doubtful they would move up to the top 5 but less chance of a prospect falling far into the teens.  If they did want to move up it would cost them less in terms of number of picks versus a team sitting in the 20's.

[26CornerBlitz]

18 minutes ago, RochesterRob said:

  Signing Cousins or Bradford or whomever does not preclude a team from taking a QB in the first especially if they do not have a whole lot of need at other positions.  Even if they did not intend to keep the prospect they could earn "interest" by getting the original draft capital back plus in a year where the draft is QB poor and a team figures that they are just a QB away from a deep playoff run.  

 

  As others have said before do not overlook teams such as Cincy and Miami for making a move on a QB.  Doubtful they would move up to the top 5 but less chance of a prospect falling far into the teens.  If they did want to move up it would cost them less in terms of number of picks versus a team sitting in the 20's.

 

Signing a 29 year old Cousins and then drafting a 1st round QB doesn't make much sense at all.  With Bradford it does. 

[Reed83HOF]

Greg Gabriel‏ @greggabe 1m1 minute ago

After the 1st week of FA the whole QB landscape in the draft draft could change. @SI_PeterKing in MMQB today said there is belief that Giants will pass on QB at 2. I don’t think Browns take a QB at 1. Been saying it for weeks

 

ProFootballTalk‏Verified account @ProFootballTalk 2h2 hours ago

Jets reportedly are willing to pay "whatever it takes" to get Kirk Cousins https://wp.me/p14QSB-axun 

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According to Rich Cimini of ESPN.com, the Jets are “willing to pay whatever it takes” to get him.

This report comes amid a belief that the Jets may be willing to fully guarantee Cousins’ deal"