AJ McCarron wins grievance vs Bengals, is UFA

[PolishDave]

12 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Not sure--if I were McCarron, I'm guessing that I'm not going to get the contract this offseason based upon my NFL body of work, so what I'm looking to do is put myself in the best situation to produce.

 

If I can play for a coach where I know the offense, and put myself in a position where I can potentially be on the UFA market again next offseason, that's pretty much ideal.

 

Yeah.   I would think he gets offered a "prove it" contract by one or more teams where he has to prove he is a franchise guy.   Bills could be one of those teams.   McCarron might see the Bills as a better opportunity also being that they were a playoff team this year compared to winless Browns.

[DrDawkinstein]

McCarron + Rookie >>>>>>> TT and Peterman

[zevo]

Having another horse in this qb race is nothing but an excellent thing for the Bills.....I even would look into singing AJ as our qb moving forward. Solid college qb with a national Championship....

[thebandit27]

1 minute ago, PolishDave said:

 

Yeah.   I would think he gets offered a "prove it" contract by one or more teams where he has to prove he is a franchise guy.   Bills could be one of those teams.   McCarron might see the Bills as a better opportunity also being that they were a playoff team this year compared to winless Browns.

 

The best situation for him would be either Denver or Arizona IMO.  Denver has a top-5 pick to beef up their OL or run game and two very productive WRs; Arizona has David Johnson,  Larry Fitzgerald, and a GM that's willing to spend on talent.

[ddaryl]

3 hours ago, nuklz2594 said:

having moved to florida a while ago, i saw him play.  all he did was win.  if i am not mistaken the new o.c. was his o.c. at bama.  he reminds me of flutie.  they both just win.

 

 

LMAO at the fallicy that somehow Flutie just wins.. His NFL career was bolstered by stint with Buffalo's #1 Defense after that barley average in the W L column.. Flutie is the most over rated QB Buffalo fans make up...  I throw up every time someone mentions him as some sort of delusional positive QB reference

 

 

As for considering McCarron.. thats one of the nuttiest ideas this offseason.  He's no better than teir 2 rookie in regards ot our best options IMO

Edited February 16, 2018 by ddaryl

[Mat68]

He is an above average back up.  I would feel more comfortable with Taylor over Mccarron.  I could see him as mid level option if Buffalo couldnt land a better option and dont want to pick up Taylors option.  My money would be on him going to Cleveland.  They were willing to trade a 2nd and 3rd for him so I expect if Jackson has any pull left there they will over pay for him.  Imo Cleveland is a place where he could get a Glennon/ Oswieller type deal.

[ALF]

Just don't make a mistake like the Brock Osweiler deal.

[PolishDave]

11 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

The best situation for him would be either Denver or Arizona IMO.  Denver has a top-5 pick to beef up their OL or run game and two very productive WRs; Arizona has David Johnson,  Larry Fitzgerald, and a GM that's willing to spend on talent.

 

Could be.   Can't see how Buffalo looks any worse than those though.    Especially when Buffalo has a successful running game already and actually made the playoffs.

[Sky Diver]

9 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

 

 

LMAO at the fallicy that somehow Flutie just wins.. His NFL career was bolstered by stint with Buffalo's #1 Defense after that barley average in the W L column.. Flutie is the most over rated QB Buffalo fans make up...  I throw up every time someone mentions him as some sort of delusional positive QB reference

 

 

As for considering McCarron.. thats one of the nuttiest ideas this offseason.  He's no better than teir 2 rookie in regards ot our best options IMO

 

If that's true, why did RJ have such a poor record with the same D? Your assessment of both Flutie and McCarron is comical.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

McCarron has  better college stats, better back up stats and he will have better starter numbers than Taylor. 

 

If if we don't upgrade the QB position with all the options available to us somebody will need to be fired. 

 

I cannot not believe that after watching the Jacksonville game that anyone would want to keep Taylor for 18 mil.

 

If you watched  the Super Bowl you had to come to the realization that Taylor will never have a chance in a offensive game like that. 

 

I also have no idea why anyone would want Taylor mentoring a rookie QB when he still has major problems with audible's, reading defense's and passing the football. I really don't want my rookie QB leaning anything from a guy who is close to dead last in passing yards every season.

 

If Taylor is not released McD, Beanie and Daboll will be on the hot seat which will most likely lead to them being fired in 2019.

 

 

[apuszczalowski]

2 hours ago, NewEraBills said:

Signing him to a big contract is very risky.  There's no body of work to look at.  I'd be overly cautious.

Well in todays NFL, less than half a seasons worth of starts is enough to make you the highest paid player in the NFL

41 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Conversely, if his offer is low (or non-existent) from Cleveland it says a lot to me. Have to figure Hue has the most familiarity with him of anyone in the league outside of maybe some of Cincy's current staff.

Well I think trying to trade for him at the deadline should say that they think highly enough of him and willing to give up more then SF paid for JG

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

28 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

The best situation for him would be either Denver or Arizona IMO.  Denver has a top-5 pick to beef up their OL or run game and two very productive WRs; Arizona has David Johnson,  Larry Fitzgerald, and a GM that's willing to spend on talent.

The Rams, Seahawks and 49ers are all trending up. Arizona is going to have more than a few top 10 picks in the next few years. If Taylor goes to Arizona his time as a starter will end there. 

[thebandit27]

Just now, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

The Rams, Seahawks and 49ers are all trending up. Arizona is going to have more than a few top 10 picks in the next few years. If Taylor goes to Arizona his time as a starter will end there. 

 

Well, that post you quoted was in reference to McCarron.

 

But since you mentioned it, I think Arizona would be a good fit for Tyrod, since they may want a veteran that won't kill them for a year or two.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

2 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Well, that post you quoted was in reference to McCarron.

 

But since you mentioned it, I think Arizona would be a good fit for Tyrod, since they may want a veteran that won't kill them for a year or two.

I can't see Taylor outplaying Goff, Jimmy G or Wilson to have a chance at that division. 3 young QB's that will be the future super star faces of the NFL. No way is going to Arizona high on my list if I'm a QB.

[thebandit27]

Just now, Call_Of_Ktulu said:

I can't see Taylor outplaying Goff, Jimmy G or Wilson to have a chance at that division. 3 young QB's that will be the future super star faces of the NFL. No way is going to Arizona high on my list if I'm a QB.

 

I didn't say that Taylor would want to go there; you brought that up.  Again though, since you did, I'll opine: if you're Taylor, and a team that wants to pay you as a low-end starter or bridge option, then you probably go there instead of signing for less money as a backup.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, thebandit27 said:

 

Players like familiarity, and he played for Hue Jackson for 2 seasons in Cincinnati.

 

Cleveland also has a ridiculous amount of cap room, and can afford to give him a front-loaded deal that doesn't hurt them down the road if they cut ties with him.

 

Plus, he'd have a great opportunity to start.

 

Can you imagine hooking your future as a QB to Hue Jackson?

 

No doubt we will soon here about how Jackson was "blown away" by McCarron.

 

Hue get's blown away more often than an Oklahoma trailer park.

[apuszczalowski]

51 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

Additionally, adding McCarron lets them do something like draft Barkley 1 and Chubb or Nelson at 4. Now you are getting two elite blue chip prospects. They have a really good offensive line as well. They also have Kizer to develop in the background who they seem to like. 

 

Now that team doesn't look so bad. Sign a receiver like Sammy Watkins or Jarvis Landry and some defensive players in free agency and they are in business. 

 

Drafting a young quarterback pretty much guarantees Hue Jackson loses his job in two years. I think he will be banging the table for McCarron and Dorsey will go for it because it allows them to get two top 5 position players in this draft. 

Lol, so i know the browns are a joke, but you think after all they have been through, they are going to pass on a franchise QB (by the way people talk about the top QBs around here im surprised generational talent isnt used more) and go with someone with less than a handful of career starts to go along with 2 other wasted pick and that many think have been ruined by them?

 

The Browns are not passing on the top QB in the draft again. If McCaron signs there it's to fill the role of bridge QB for whomever they draft 1st overall. I doubt he signs there knowing this if he has other options. If the browns sign a QB not named Cousins, its to fill the catetaker/bridge/backup role.

 

A player like McCaron could be intriguing to the Bills because it's an opening he could go to where he would have the chance to potentially become the starter/franchise QB without a top 10 pick breathing down his neck, and by not giving up the draft to move up, the Bills could use all their picks to fill holes on the roster. They can wait til their picks to take a QB they may like if available also. His contract shouldn't break the bank, Osweilers deal probably won't be made again, but he did have some game tape to go off of. It's even possible the Bills could trade one of their firsts to a team for one next year that they can use for a QB then if McCaron doesn't look good this year and they do t take another one early.

 

Denver is going to possibly draft someone early or get Cousins, doubt they take a chance on McCaron, and Arizona is most likely to go the proven veteran route also with Cousins or maybe Keenum or Foles maybe taking one in the 1st if a guy falls to them.

4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

Can you imagine hooking your future as a QB to Hue Jackson?

 

No doubt we will soon here about how Jackson was "blown away" by McCarron.

 

Hue get's blown away more often than an Oklahoma trailer park.

Could you imagine wanting to establish your career as a player with the Browns? Just looking at their track record, why as a QB would you consider them unless you either had no choice OR where so sure of your talent and huge Ego you think your God and could raise them from the ashes?

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

48 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

He is an above average back up.  I would feel more comfortable with Taylor over Mccarron.  I could see him as mid level option if Buffalo couldnt land a better option and dont want to pick up Taylors option.  My money would be on him going to Cleveland.  They were willing to trade a 2nd and 3rd for him so I expect if Jackson has any pull left there they will over pay for him.  Imo Cleveland is a place where he could get a Glennon/ Oswieller type deal.

 

Agree.  They do get the small victory of not having to trade anything to acquire him though.

[BuffaloRebound]

I think best situation for Tyrod is Cleveland.  They need to learn to walk before they can run.  Tyrod doesn't turn it over, can make some plays, and is a positive in the locker room.  He'd be perfect Bridge QB for them.  I think McCarron will have more suitors and get more money than Tyrod in open market.  

[PolishDave]

5 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

A player like McCaron could be intriguing to the Bills because it's an opening he could go to where he would have the chance to potentially become the starter/franchise QB without a top 10 pick breathing down his neck, and by not giving up the draft to move up, the Bills could use all their picks to fill holes on the roster. They can wait til their picks to take a QB they may like if available also. His contract shouldn't break the bank, Osweilers deal probably won't be made again, but he did have some game tape to go off of. It's even possible the Bills could trade one of their firsts to a team for one next year that they can use for a QB then if McCaron doesn't look good this year and they do t take another one early.

 

 

This is pretty much what I am thinking.      

 

But assuming McCarron doesn't get a high dollar offer for more than a couple years, I would think he is going to want to go to whichever team he thinks he can showcase himself the best with while actually winning games next year.     That might be the Bills.   It might be some other team.   He will want to look great so he can get that big contract with somebody - anybody - in another year.

[Mat68]

3 minutes ago, PolishDave said:

 

This is pretty much what I am thinking.      

 

But assuming McCarron doesn't get a high dollar offer for more than a couple years, I would think he is going to want to go to whichever team he thinks he can showcase himself the best with while actually winning games next year.     That might be the Bills.   It might be some other team.   He will want to look great so he can get that big contract with somebody - anybody - in another year.

If you are offering him a job to compete to start short and long term I would assume the price tag would be as much.  12-18 mil a year.  I would struggle going over 10 for him.

[PolishDave]

6 minutes ago, Mat68 said:

If you are offering him a job to compete to start short and long term I would assume the price tag would be as much.  12-18 mil a year.  I would struggle going over 10 for him.

 

Sign him to a one year deal with an option for more.

 

If he doesn't get a long term high dollar signing (which he very well might not) then he is going to want the best offer to put him in a position where (next year) he can make himself look like an up and coming franchise quarterback rather than a second string game manager safety net.   That is the Bills' sales pitch to him.   This is a playoff team.    Take us deep, you get your contract.

 

He knows that he can get paid big by some team out there if he can show he is likely franchise material. 

Edited February 16, 2018 by PolishDave

[Mat68]

Just now, PolishDave said:

 

Sign him to a one year deal with an option for more.

 

If he doesn't get a long term high dollar signing (which he very well might not) then he is going to want the best offer to put him in a position where (next year) he can make himself look like an up and coming franchise quarterback rather than a second string game manager safety net.   That is the Bills' sales pitch to him.   This is a playoff team.    Take us deep, you get your contract.

I believe that will be unlikely monetarily.  Most players dont do what Taylor did his FA year.  They will go to the highest guaranteed money spot especially after being a mid rd pick.   Glennon, Oswiller, and lesser extend Garapalo have created quite a market.  Mccarron on the open market would seem to the next guy after Cousin, Keenum, Bridgewater, and Bradford.  For similar money I am keeping Taylor.  Sure if I can get Mcarron for half the money I would, I just see that to be unlikely. 

[MrEpsYtown]

25 minutes ago, apuszczalowski said:

Lol, so i know the browns are a joke, but you think after all they have been through, they are going to pass on a franchise QB (by the way people talk about the top QBs around here im surprised generational talent isnt used more) and go with someone with less than a handful of career starts to go along with 2 other wasted pick and that many think have been ruined by them?

 

The Browns are not passing on the top QB in the draft again. If McCaron signs there it's to fill the role of bridge QB for whomever they draft 1st overall. I doubt he signs there knowing this if he has other options. If the browns sign a QB not named Cousins, its to fill the catetaker/bridge/backup role.

 

I didn't say it was what they are definitely going to do, I'm just saying that if they believe in McCarron and sign him, it gives them a ton of flexibility to upgrade their roster with two top four picks. I think it makes sense. Drafting Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Mayfield will only lead to more losing for them, and in two years they will be doing this again. They could be the Vikings this year, good line, good defense, ok quarterback. That is their quickest route to contention in my opinion.  

 

Drafting a young guy will really just lead to another season like what they just had with Kizer. 

[jr1]

he'll get Tyrod money probably

[PolishDave]

4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

 

I didn't say it was what they are definitely going to do, I'm just saying that if they believe in McCarron and sign him, it gives them a ton of flexibility to upgrade their roster with two top four picks. I think it makes sense. Drafting Darnold, Allen, Rosen, Mayfield will only lead to more losing for them, and in two years they will be doing this again. They could be the Vikings this year, good line, good defense, ok quarterback. That is their quickest route to contention in my opinion.  

 

Drafting a young guy will really just lead to another season like what they just had with Kizer. 

 

Why would drafting a top Qb lead to more losing for them?   Shouldn't it be the opposite?

 

They can't go any lower.  Their arrow has to point up.

 

Kizer is not a comparable qb to those you mentioned.   Kizer sucks and should have been passed on in the draft.   Only Cleveland could make that mistake.

Edited February 16, 2018 by PolishDave

[MrEpsYtown]

Just now, PolishDave said:

 

Why would drafting a top Qb lead to more losing for them?   Shouldn't it be the opposite?

 

They can't go any lower.  Their arrow has to point up.

 

Good point. But all of these guys have to be developed and their roster needs more talent. So they go 2-14 vs 0-16. That's improvement I suppose. 

 

 

[PolishDave]

6 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

Good point. But all of these guys have to be developed and their roster needs more talent. So they go 2-14 vs 0-16. That's improvement I suppose. 

 

If Cleveland gets average or better QB play, even without upgrading the rest of their roster, they could already prove to be an above average team.   There are obviously more variables at play here.   But I think Cleveland is about to take one of the biggest steps in NFL history as far as going from bad to good.    Depends on how they handle the QB situation in my opinion.   If they actually get a guy with eliteness in him, they are going to rocket to the top of their division in 2 years maybe 1 year.   And everybody will be like WTF?

 

Of course, just my opinion and I could be 180 degrees wrong - as I have been before.

Edited February 16, 2018 by PolishDave

[John from Riverside]

This is not my idea of improving the qb position

 

you would be better sticking with TT.....and I have wrapped my mind around that we are not going to do that.

 

John H.

[PolishDave]

1 minute ago, John from Hemet said:

This is not my idea of improving the qb position

 

you would be better sticking with TT.....and I have wrapped my mind around that we are not going to do that.

 

John H.

 

You already know Taylor's upside though.   You don't know McCarron's.

[John from Riverside]

Just now, PolishDave said:

 

You already know Taylor's upside though.   You don't know McCarron's.

I am definately not a grass is always greener guy.

 

 

[MrEpsYtown]

2 minutes ago, PolishDave said:

 

If Cleveland gets average or better QB play, even without upgrading the rest of their roster, they could already be an above average team.   There are obviously more variables at play here.   But I think Cleveland is about to take one of the biggest steps in NFL history as far as going from bad to good.    Depends on how they handle the QB situation in my opinion.   If they actually get a guy with eliteness in him, they are going to rocket to the top of their division in 2 years maybe 1 year.   And everybody will be like WTF?

 

Of course, just my opinion and I could be 180 degrees wrong - as I have been before.

I agree with you, but I think we are just looking at it differently. 

 

This is kind of why I am on the McCarron to the Browns train. You don't have to go through the growing pains of developing a guy who is already developed. Plus he was developed by Hue Jackson and Ken Zampese, who are both on the Browns staff. I thought he played really well for the Bengals and had that playoff game won a couple of years ago. If they go sign AJ and say draft Barkley and Quinton Nelson, and sign a free agent reciever their offense will be stacked. They can upgrade their defense in the second round and free agency. They have a ton of cap and two top five picks. If they talk themselves out of picking a quarterback, I think they have a real opportunity to be good this year. 

[PolishDave]

10 minutes ago, John from Hemet said:

I am definitely not a grass is always greener guy.

 

Me either.    But, I am ready to move on to (at minimum) a guy with more upside potential as a passer than Taylor.   I think McCarron fits that without question.  Could be wrong.   For same price or less than Taylor for one year, I think it is a no brainer.   Like total no brainer.   Guarantee more than one year - nope.   But one year to prove it - sure.   The current guy had three opportunities to prove it (under lousy circumstances) and failed.   Give him a shot somewhere else.   We have to find someone else to give a shot to.   Someone with upside potential as a passer.

4 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:

I agree with you, but I think we are just looking at it differently. 

 

This is kind of why I am on the McCarron to the Browns train. You don't have to go through the growing pains of developing a guy who is already developed. Plus he was developed by Hue Jackson and Ken Zampese, who are both on the Browns staff. I thought he played really well for the Bengals and had that playoff game won a couple of years ago. If they go sign AJ and say draft Barkley and Quinton Nelson, and sign a free agent reciever their offense will be stacked. They can upgrade their defense in the second round and free agency. They have a ton of cap and two top five picks. If they talk themselves out of picking a quarterback, I think they have a real opportunity to be good this year. 

 

They would have to be 100% sold and all in on McCarron to not draft the top QB.    Because having the number one pick with 3 excellent QB prospects available is a dream come true.  I just can't fathom them passing on the opportunity when they have sucked so bad for so long.   It is truly unthinkable.

 

Well, it is Cleveland though, 

Edited February 16, 2018 by PolishDave

[Figster]

Get er done Beane man...

38 minutes ago, PolishDave said:

 

You already know Taylor's upside though.   You don't know McCarron's.

taller and smarter for starters...

[RyanC883]

Thought: depending on cost, McCarron is your "rookie" QB; and sign a veteran.  Use all your picks for the remaining holes.  

[YoloinOhio]

6 hours ago, vincec said:

Let me put it like this: how many think Andy Dalton is a franchise QB? Well, this guy was his backup and couldn’t move ahead of him on the depth chart. It’s not like he was sitting behind Tom Brady.

I’m not advocating for signing him, but the Bengals are a very risk-averse organization. He never was competing with Dalton for the starting job. He would not have been named starter no matter how good he looked. Dalton is their starter and he’s “good enough” for Mike Brown just like Marvin is “good enough” 

Edited February 16, 2018 by YoloinOhio

[rodneykm]

I'd be pretty ok with AJ honestly. I've always thought he could be in that mid level, solid if unspectacular range as a QB. He can throw too so that'd be an upgrade. 

Edited February 16, 2018 by rodneykm

[Alphadawg7]

20 hours ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

Good for him! It'll be interesting to see what the market is for a QB who's thrown 14 passes in 2 years, and less than 150 passes in his career.

 

I dont understand the obsession about him.  He wasn't even that highly regarded as a prospect in the draft and has done nothing in the NFL since he has been stuck behind Dalton.  Even Jimmy G played 2 impressive games for the Pats, AJ has gotten no field time.  

 

I get teams might be curious, but I just cant see why anyone should pay him for being a complete mystery.  Thats like bidding on a storage unit without knowing what is inside at all.  Sure, once in a while it pays off, but most the time its trash.  

 

I have no idea if AJ will be good or bad...but thats the point.  Crazy to bet on a mediocre draft prospect thats yet to play in the NFL any significant minutes.

[BuffaloHokie13]

2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

I dont understand the obsession about him.  He wasn't even that highly regarded as a prospect in the draft and has done nothing in the NFL since he has been stuck behind Dalton.  Even Jimmy G played 2 impressive games for the Pats, AJ has gotten no field time.  

I think he had like 6 TDs and 2 INTs in 3 starts a few years back.

 

EDIT: He played the better part of 4 games in 2015. 6 TDs, 2 INTs

Edited February 16, 2018 by BuffaloHokie13

[Alphadawg7]

9 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

I think he had like 6 TDs and 2 INTs in 3 starts a few years back.

 

EDIT: He played the better part of 4 games in 2015. 6 TDs, 2 INTs

 

Ah...ok...for some reason I though he had not seen the field other than to just close out a game once it was decided.  That at least makes a little more sense then even though 6 TD's in 4 games isn't exactly world beating, but at least there is some tape on him when it matters with moderate success.

Edited February 16, 2018 by Alphadawg7