Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 minute ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I haven't noticed. What is it? He slurs and spits a bit. And a lisp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: He slurs and spits a bit. And a lisp. CTE ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 8 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: CTE ? If only... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: If only... Honestly never noticed, seems normal to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 minutes ago, Buffalo Barbarian said: Honestly never noticed, seems normal to me. Listen...you will Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 He does better than I might.... at this very moment.... The guy sounds fine to me. I tend to like him more than most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mykidsdad Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 At first glance Cousins for 30 millionish a year sounds crazy, but we will have to overpay. But even at 30 million, filling holes with draft picks may save us enough money to have a solid team. Is Cousins a top 10 QB? Probably not. Top 15? Definitley. Which means hes good enough to save us the picks, time, and money looking for the next franchise guy that may never come. Im all for it! Put a legit starter on the team and draft well! Thats a win if you ask me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 3 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: by whom? He is going to Denver. Book it. I am sure Elway loves Josh Allen but one more miss on a giant QB who can't play and even the legendary Elway might feel his seat get a bit warmer. He will go the safe route.... sign Cousins and the Broncos will go 8-8 next year.... and then win between 7 and 9 games the next 4 years too while paying Kirk $30m a year. Everyone's a winner. Except Denver. Obviously. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 2 hours ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I don't love Cousins, but I do believe he's better than Keenum. So do I and in a big way. Keenum is the product of Vikes OC Pat Shurmur who also elevated the play of Nick Foles in Philly. This was Keenum's best season and it helped that the Vikings also had the #7 rushing attack, #1 defense in both points, yards allowed. While I don't think he will fall on his face next season if he stays in Minnesota because of that run game, defense and standout receiving corps. The Vikings offense will be getting Eagles QB coach John DeFilippo for their new OC and we don't know if he will be as successful as Shurmur was with Keenum. Anyway, Keenum might just turn out to be a one year wonder. Like Fitz had in 2015. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 7 hours ago, GunnerBill said: He is going to Denver. Book it. I am sure Elway loves Josh Allen but one more miss on a giant QB who can't play and even the legendary Elway might feel his seat get a bit warmer. He will go the safe route.... sign Cousins and the Broncos will go 8-8 next year.... and then win between 7 and 9 games the next 4 years too while paying Kirk $30m a year. Everyone's a winner. Except Denver. Obviously. Yeah, I agree. 6 hours ago, Nihilarian said: So do I and in a big way. Keenum is the product of Vikes OC Pat Shurmur who also elevated the play of Nick Foles in Philly. This was Keenum's best season and it helped that the Vikings also had the #7 rushing attack, #1 defense in both points, yards allowed. While I don't think he will fall on his face next season if he stays in Minnesota because of that run game, defense and standout receiving corps. The Vikings offense will be getting Eagles QB coach John DeFilippo for their new OC and we don't know if he will be as successful as Shurmur was with Keenum. Anyway, Keenum might just turn out to be a one year wonder. Like Fitz had in 2015. The guy who elevated Foles's (and Wentz's) play in Philly was......DeFillippo, the Vikes' new OC. And as you point out, the Vikings have that top D (although they whiffed in the NFCC) and running game----so why then would they dump their much cheaper QB for a guy they don't know will fit their system or will have the success that Keenum had? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 14 hours ago, jr1 said: Kirk's interceptions kept the Redskins out of the playoffs And so it begins.... (I would have thought it was their #27 ranked D that kept them out of the playoffs myself. 7 games where they allowed the opponent >30 points) 41 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said: The guy who elevated Foles's (and Wentz's) play in Philly was......DeFillippo, the Vikes' new OC. I think Nihilarian may have been talking about Foles 2013 in Philly, which was his "Wonderyear". But I agree DeFillippo may be a good hire Quote And as you point out, the Vikings have that top D (although they whiffed in the NFCC) and running game----so why then would they dump their much cheaper QB for a guy they don't know will fit their system or will have the success that Keenum had? How do you know Keenum will be "much cheaper"? He's a FA QB who had a good year and went to the conference championship this year. I'm sure he wants to get paid. Watching Keenum and watching Foles, I don't think Keenum is that accurate. He's been blessed with some really good WR who help him out a lot. Edited February 13, 2018 by Hapless Bills Fan 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 16 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: How do you know Keenum will be "much cheaper"? He's a FA QB who had a good year and went to the conference championship this year. I'm sure he wants to get paid. What $$s Keenum gets is going to be fascinating. He is an even more difficult to peg deal than Jimmy G. Wouldn't shock me if he ends up in that Derek Carr like territory of $25m per year or thereabouts. That would still be about $5m average less than Cousins though I reckon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I see keenam making average bridge QB money- roughly $17-$18 million per year Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 keenum will probably get a deal that makes it easy to get out after year 1. 22 per i'd say 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 11 hours ago, Shaw66 said: What they don't talk about is his stats. The simple fact is that the best QBS are regularly at the top of the basic stats. Yards, completion percentage, TD to INT ratio, etc. They dont talk about his stats because he's regularly in the top 10, where all the good QBS are. How'd he get in the top 10? Is Jerry Rice on the Redskins playing under a pseudonym? Exactly right Shaw. This is just like all the old Tyrod arguments, except this time the guy is without question a consistent top 10 QB. With Tyrod we had one good season to hang our hopes on. With Cousins we're talking about 3 consecutive seasons in the top 12 for passer rating. I was curious to see how many QBs have had consistent production like that. So I used the Pro Football Reference season finder: http://pfref.com/tiny/xtxY2 Cousins has had 3 consecutive seasons with a passer rating above 93.0. So I searched for any season after 1999 where a QB started at least 12 games and had a passer rating over 93.0. The table I linked shows the number of seasons each QB had that matched that criteria. I couldn't search by consecutive seasons but it does show the range of years where the QB achieved that passer rating. There are only 17 QBs total since 2000 who have had 3 seasons like that. And that list is a who's who of QBs you want on your team. Probably the worst QB on the list is Carson Palmer. And it took him from 2005 to 2015 to get his 3 seasons. Cousins did it in 3 seasons consecutively. Plus Cousins is only 29. When Brady was 29 he wasn't the GOAT yet, not even close. He hadn't even had ONE season where his passer rating was 93.0 or higher at that point in his career. Cousins already did that 3 times, consecutively, and has 10 more years to develop as a passer. Sign me up for that. I don't care what the cost is. Edited February 13, 2018 by HappyDays Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 4 minutes ago, aristocrat said: keenum will probably get a deal that makes it easy to get out after year 1. 22 per i'd say Exactly... it’s hard seeing him be successful after one decent year with an OC guru imo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 I believe both of these things to be the case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 18 minutes ago, 26CornerBlitz said: I believe both of these things to be the case. i'd like one of those to be wrong. helps us get mayfield. need one of the top 7 teams to skip qb and one to sign cousins. makes it easier to move up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan2313 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 11 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Brees already won a SB by then, and his stats blew Cousins's away even in those years. He was singlehandedly winning games with an awful defense. Rivers is, like Cousins, a stat accumulator. Legendary choker. Another hard pass. I don't know who Stanford is. 11 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Can we talk about Manock's speech impediment? I don't know who Manock is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 1 hour ago, Hapless Bills Fan said: And so it begins.... (I would have thought it was their #27 ranked D that kept them out of the playoffs myself. 7 games where they allowed the opponent >30 points) I think Nihilarian may have been talking about Foles 2013 in Philly, which was his "Wonderyear". But I agree DeFillippo may be a good hire How do you know Keenum will be "much cheaper"? He's a FA QB who had a good year and went to the conference championship this year. I'm sure he wants to get paid. Watching Keenum and watching Foles, I don't think Keenum is that accurate. He's been blessed with some really good WR who help him out a lot. Keenum will be cheaper than Cousins because of the reservations many have about his "true" performance. Why don't you think Keenum is accurate? Only Brees had a higher completion%. You can't fault Keenum for having "really good receivers". So did Montana. So does Big Ben. And Ryan. Almost every QB needs them. The point is the Keenum would STILL have them in Minny. 5 minutes ago, BillsFan2313 said: I don't know who Manock is? Oh yes you do.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 14 hours ago, matter2003 said: They didnt jerk him around, they didnt believe he was worth the money. They still don't. Neither do a lot of other people, FWIW Oh!! Well of course! Did they tell him THIS? Because that's probably a good way to sign him long-term. They didn't think he was worth the money, but them proceeded to pay him the money in back-to-back years? Come on man, where's DC Tom when you need him to chime in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, ndirish1978 said: Oh!! Well of course! Did they tell him THIS? Because that's probably a good way to sign him long-term. They didn't think he was worth the money, but them proceeded to pay him the money in back-to-back years? Come on man, where's DC Tom when you need him to chime in. It makes perfect sense...they said..."maybe this is a guy who could be a franchise QB" so they kept him for a year and hoped he would develop into one. He really didn't. So they said "OK...there was some improvement there so lets see if he will keep developing"...he didn't, he went backwards... At some point you just have to decide the guy isnt going to be what you hoped he could be. But according to you, they should have just signed him anyway regardless of if he showed them what they wanted to see or not. Smart way to run a business. Just give the guy a long term expensive contract when you dont feel he is the right person for it. The Redskins dont need Cousins to go 7-9...they can do that all on their own without him. Edited February 13, 2018 by matter2003 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Bomb Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 On 2/12/2018 at 9:12 AM, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Yeah I’d hate to land the best QB available. That would totally suck But he sucks... What good is it if the "best QB available" isn't good enough, you go ahead and pay him stupid money anyways??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 5 minutes ago, T-Bomb said: But he sucks... What good is it if the "best QB available" isn't good enough, you go ahead and pay him stupid money anyways??? He sucks? Why is it if a player is not top 5 at his position he "sucks" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 6 minutes ago, T-Bomb said: But he sucks... What good is it if the "best QB available" isn't good enough, you go ahead and pay him stupid money anyways??? You can’t say he “sucks”. Is he worth the money he’s going to get? Probably not. But he’s probably better than any QB we’ve had since Bledsoe’s first year with the team Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 (edited) 7 minutes ago, John from Hemet said: He sucks? Why is it if a player is not top 5 at his position he "sucks" In some people's world a player is either great or sucks with no room for nuanced or balanced evaluations. No credible person would look at Cousins body of work and arrive at a conclusion that he sucks. Edited February 13, 2018 by 26CornerBlitz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 13 minutes ago, T-Bomb said: But he sucks... What good is it if the "best QB available" isn't good enough, you go ahead and pay him stupid money anyways??? explain how he sucks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 Cards owner: We'll be aggressive in finding a QB Likely to have Cousins on their list. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 4 hours ago, JaCrispy said: I see keenam making average bridge QB money- roughly $17-$18 million per year Osweiler got that. I think Keenum says "ahem...I showed I can actually PLAY QB" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 18 hours ago, Mr. WEO said: Wouldn't you expect a "top 10" QB to have a winning record after 3+ years on a team that wasn't a bottom feeder? Stats are nice, but for some reason, they don't win a lot of games with his as their QB. They got worse. Stafford. Three appearances in playoffs in 9 seasons. Ryan 3-8 in the playoffs. Brees missed playoffs three straight years. A lot goes into a team's record. Bad qbs rarely are top 10 three years running. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 13, 2018 Share Posted February 13, 2018 A QB like Cousins will get absolutely killed behind this O-line... I like Cousins, but we are not a good fit for his style of play... He'll either be on his back the whole time, or throwing picks.... More and more, I'm leaning towards Joe Webb! -Is he anywhere near as risky as Peterman??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nihilarian Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 6 hours ago, #34fan said: A QB like Cousins will get absolutely killed behind this O-line... I like Cousins, but we are not a good fit for his style of play... He'll either be on his back the whole time, or throwing picks.... More and more, I'm leaning towards Joe Webb! -Is he anywhere near as risky as Peterman??? I doubt that Cousins will hold the ball as long as Tyrod Taylor did in 2017 at 3.01 seconds on average. As for the line, all the Bills need to do is finally upgrade that right tackle position and they will instantly improve the lines entire grade. They could use a new RG and added depth all over the line. Dunno why Bills fans are so enamored with Peterman who was a 5th round pick... anyone else recall Brian Brohm? He was a second-round pick and he did squat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 10 hours ago, Nihilarian said: I doubt that Cousins will hold the ball as long as Tyrod Taylor did in 2017 at 3.01 seconds on average. As for the line, all the Bills need to do is finally upgrade that right tackle position and they will instantly improve the lines entire grade. They could use a new RG and added depth all over the line. Dunno why Bills fans are so enamored with Peterman who was a 5th round pick... anyone else recall Brian Brohm? He was a second-round pick and he did squat. Like I said, I like Cousins... However, our situation at C, and RT aren't Ideal... We also need to upgrade TE as well...To me, Peterman offers a glimmer of hope that we'll be moving on from Tyrod... Plus I truly believe Nate will be good one day if he sticks with it... At the moment tho, he is not... I'd start Joe Webb over Nate if I had to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 26 minutes ago, #34fan said: Like I said, I like Cousins... However, our situation at C, and RT aren't Ideal... We also need to upgrade TE as well...To me, Peterman offers a glimmer of hope that we'll be moving on from Tyrod... Plus I truly believe Nate will be good one day if he sticks with it... At the moment tho, he is not... I'd start Joe Webb over Nate if I had to. Joe Webb....seriously? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 On February 12, 2018 at 9:12 AM, Seanbillsfan2206 said: Yeah I’d hate to land the best QB available. That would totally suck The fact that you're the "best QB available" doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna be a great QB worth the money. He's definitely NOT worth the money he's gonna demand/get. Some people said that Geno Smith was the "best QB available" in the 2013 draft. What does that mean? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
#34fan Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 37 minutes ago, nucci said: Joe Webb....seriously? Over Peterman? -Right this minute?.. Yup. Nate's going to be good, but I f I had to win a game today, I wouldn't start him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seanbillsfan2206 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 24 minutes ago, QuoteTheRaven83 said: The fact that you're the "best QB available" doesn't necessarily mean you're gonna be a great QB worth the money. He's definitely NOT worth the money he's gonna demand/get. Some people said that Geno Smith was the "best QB available" in the 2013 draft. What does that mean? I also said in this thread that he’s probably not worth the money that he’s going to get. However we are in the market for a QB so I hope to get the best QB available. I don’t want to break the bank for Cousins, but if we made that move that would show me that Beane wants to win and win now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QuoteTheRaven83 Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 3 minutes ago, Seanbillsfan2206 said: I also said in this thread that he’s probably not worth the money that he’s going to get. However we are in the market for a QB so I hope to get the best QB available. I don’t want to break the bank for Cousins, but if we made that move that would show me that Beane wants to win and win now Beane and McDermott have already said that we're building through the draft. Hence "Trust the Process" Trusting the process doesn't mean overpaying an average QB TONS of money to get us nowhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted February 14, 2018 Share Posted February 14, 2018 20 minutes ago, #34fan said: Over Peterman? -Right this minute?.. Yup. Nate's going to be good, but I f I had to win a game today, I wouldn't start him. ok, didn't see the part about Peterman....I would like both replaced Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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